this is the topic where we can discuss the murders of Biggie and Tupac.

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They were thugs. That's the whole reason they're dead in the first place. Good riddance.

believe me, I could care less about the lives of those 2.....but for history's sake, it would be nice to know someday who killed them.

They killed themselves by living the life they chose to live.

I agree. By choosing to be "thugs" and start making hip-hip and living the kind of life they did, that pretty much enables them to be shot.

As for who actually killed them, it was probably just some guy they pissed off who felt the need to kill them. That's how things go when you choose that life.

Oh My God. I cannot believe you people are glorifying the deaths of ANYONE just because you didnt agree with the way they chose to live their lives.

This is probably the worst thing I have ever come across on this forum. Its just sad.

Im no rap or thug life advocate, but the reactions shown here are just...ridiculous.

Couldn't agree more.

And...why do they have such a large fan base?

I think I was 14 when I first heard the devastating news...that an obscure rapper had kicked the bucket.

I looked over at a girl in my class (drama, ugh, what a waste of time)...

Anyways, she was drawing a heart with liquid paper with "RIP Tupac" in the center.

I inquired: "whats a toopack?"

"he's a singer!" she replied with a huff and a roll of the eyes.

"oh...never heard of him...what songs did he write?" I asked.

"the err, umm...(thinks)...(thinks some more)...what do you know stool...you're a dork...go set fire to something!" she replied with a dismissive wave of the hand.

I think this converstation pretty much sums it up. They were martyed

Biggie and 2pac were soldiers of the same struggle. The struggle of freedom and independence, within the black communities and inner city ghettos. They both had a voice, 2pac was more poetic, BIG was more of a true Lyricist-type Artist. Both Painted a picture to all what the ghettos in America are like, revealing this lifestyle and its dark sides to the surburbian public. Both were raised fatherless by single mothers, and turned to the streets for love. Both artists were murdered with implications of the LAPD being involved. Infact the shots fired into BIG that night were from an off-duty LAPD officer, still workin on the force probably to this day! The truth will never be revealed to the public, due to the harmful implications it would illustrate on th LAPD. BIG's mother sued the LAPD for hiding evidence, and she was awarded only 1.1 million! Someone silenced thier vioces... and it's unfortunate the LAPD (most corrupt police force in america) was, maybe not the mastermid behind it, but nevertheless the culperate.


It's funny the reply someone left above calling them "thugs. That's the whole reason they're dead in the first place."

To 2pac Shakur being a thug, or living the "THUG LIFE" is an abbreviation for the oppressed, inner city folks, only being a product of their environment.

"The Hate U Give Little Infants f***s Everybody"

I couldn't agree more.


RIP.... BIG & 2PAC

That's just a pathetic excuse to live as a dirtbag.

Is this the oppression they suffered, they joined gangs and the gangs oppressed them? Was music their way of trying to escape the gangs?

who cares rap sucks it's killing America!

tupac was born in a prison,and of what i read,biggie was'nt that bad of a man.
sug knight had an off duty la cop,who is now in jail for bank robbery,kill tupac and graze knight who was in the same car when tupac was killed.is'nt it odd the car was was shot into
about 6 times,and tupac got hit 5 times?by the way,rap is short for crap,right?????????

The straight up stupidity expressed on this board is really disheartening. Moreso than these "thugs."

Anyway..
I heard the same theory of the LA Cop. I wouldnt put it past Suge Knight, that guys crazy.

I agree.

I hate what influnce they have on kids!

this is proberley coming from someone who is being brainwashd by heavy metal
how can anyone listen to some moron screaming his head off on a mic with some stupid melody in the background

Metal/Heavy metal and any punk style music sucks so bad

Yeah it does suck really bad.

R.I.P. TUPAC N BIGGIE

Yeah, this threat was started to discuss the murders of Biggie and Tupac. Not to dicuss how we disagree with the "thug life" or how metal sucks and rap rules.


Any lover of music can appreciate any kind of music. They can appreciate the time and talent it takes to express yourself lyrically and musically, regardless of the genre.

So far, on this thread..
Weve seen idiots talk about how wrong and bad the "thug life" is. (Since, theyve lived it and all /end sarcasm).
Now we are seeing MORE idiots talk about how rap rules and metal/punk drools.
It takes talent to make BOTH kinds of music. It takes talent to write and produce hip hop. Tupac and Biggie should AT THE LEAST be respected for the style and talent they brought to the rap scene. If nothing else.

Just because you disagree with the lifestyle they lived..doesnt make them any more deserving of death than anyone else. If we all thought that way, then homosexuals, athletes and cops should deserve to die too since they are also involved in risky behaviour (see how moronic that sounds? Yeah.)

As far as influences on kids. Parents are the number one influence. Get better parenting in the homes and stop making MTV a babysitter and maybe we wont have musicians who express themselves and their lives through music being blamed for how crappy American youth turns out.

As far as metal and punk sucking. Why? Punks and Metal heads have been expressing themselves through their music just like rap artists have. Life is a struggle, we express ourselves differently. This should be embraced, not shunned.

I think ive just about covered all the stupid statements and theories expressed on this thread. Hopefully the moderator will close it now.

Love,
Someone who listens to Biggie, Choking Victim, AND Bloodbath

LMAO!!!

Sweet....
Send me some of your beats....
And your lyrics too.



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You'll never get that email. She/he is just a complete idiot.

Biggie's Family Awarded $1.1 Million -------- ( Cost of one Diddy A-list party)
March 29, 2006, 6:10 PM ET

The Los Angeles City Council today (March 29) approved a $1.1 million payment to the family of slain rapper Notorious B.I.G because of errors in a civil wrongful death trial over accusations that he was murdered by rogue police officers.

The penalty was levied by a U.S. district judge who accused police of concealing evidence and declared a mistrial in the lawsuit, which was brought against the city last year.

The popular rapper, born Christopher Wallace, was shot dead at the age of 24 after leaving a Los Angeles party in 1997.

His unsolved murder has been widely attributed to a feud between East and West Coast rap record labels that also cost the life of another popular rapper, Tupac Shakur.

Relatives of Notorious B.I.G. claim the shooting was carried out by Los Angeles police officers moonlighting for one of the record companies. <-----------

Your answer is Record Companies, who seem to have gotten away with it all.
So ya all keep buying those same lables and making those killers richer. That is quite a way to protest the murders and keep them from ever doing it again.


Suge Knight could lose Death Row
Rights to Tupac, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre albums might be auctioned

Sunday, April 2, 2006 Posted: 0200 GMT (1000 HKT)



LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Rap-music mogul Marion "Suge" Knight skipped a court-ordered appearance at a hearing about his assets, setting the stage for courts to take control of his Death Row Records label.

Knight has missed several hearings in a legal battle since he lost a $107 million judgment last year to Lydia Harris, a former associate who claimed she helped start the rap record empire with her former husband, Michael Harris.

Michael Harris, an imprisoned drug dealer, says he put up $1.5 million to help start the record label -- an assertion Knight has repeatedly denied.

A judge last month ordered the record company into receivership, which hinged on Knight's appearance at Saturday's hearing.

A court-appointed "receiver" would take control of all assets of Death Row Records, including a music library containing the records of such artists as Tupac Shakur, Snoop Dog and Dr. Dre, said Steve Goldberg, attorney for Michael Harris.

Lawyers for the Harrises said they would ask that Knight be held in contempt and jailed until he participates in the hearing to disclose his assets.

"He's had his last chance as far as we're concerned," Goldberg said.

A hearing was set for Tuesday to finalize the receivership and address the contempt request.

"We are going to ask the receiver to take ownership of the music library and auction it off," Goldberg said.

He predicted this could be "a death sentence for Death Row Records."

Knight's attorney, Dermot Givens, would say only, "We try our cases in the court and not in the press." Givens also did not appear at the hearing.

Givens had said Friday that he told opposing lawyers Knight would not appear Saturday. He gave no reason.

Last December, a judge froze Knight's assets, saying he and his lawyers had failed to answer questions and provide information in the case.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


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Think about why that is, slugger. Something tells me you won't be able to figure it out. Let me know if you do.

Really funny that 'gangsta' is in your screename. Thanks for all your positive contributions to society.

rap is all the same thing, people talking about their homies, pimps, hoes, guns, partys, sex, drugs and violence to a beat in the background.

AS I dont know much about Biggie, I cant say much, I will say this however, Tupac was no gangster, nor was he a thug.

How many people knew that Tupac when to a private school for students talented in the arts for the last 2 years of his high school in Baltimore off a scholarship?

How many people know that he had no record, no altercation with the police until he was famous and was thrown to the ground, beat up, and charged for jaywalking?

He was never part of a gang, it was all just an act to sell more records. His "Thug Life" thing was only represented impoverished blacks in the inner city who have grown up with nothing. He did not promote crime or violence.

As for his death, it was definitely Shuge Knight.

All music is the same if you look at it that way.

IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHO KILLED BIGGIE, BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS TU-PAC IS STILL ALIVE HIDDEN ON SOME ISLAND......... HOW DO YOU THINK HE KEEPS COMING UP WITH NEW MUSIC AND NEW RE-MIXED SONGS??????????????

They record many songs and only a few them get released. That explains why they keep putting out songs.

oh I see, but I still think tu-pac is alive somewhere

Are you kidding me???
Tupac had hundreds of song recorded, but probably less than a fourth of them got released, and like DR. YO said, many of them are still slowly getting released. If you honestly think he's still alive, then I would suggest that you rethink the process of getting shot dead, means you stay dead.

He faked his own death, I heard on the radio the other day..........and that he was still alive some where on the carriben islands

How would you know he got shot dead? Was a body ever found? I think not. GG.

Everyone has their own opinion about hiphop, theres no need to be hateful. (ignorant ones) . Well, it's sad to see that today in mainstream rap is all about "money", when pac and big were around rap was soley about "keepin it real", and painting a picture of the ghetto. The ghetto is oppression. Kids starving, and the government threw crack in the mix. Kids are forced to sell drugs, raised single parents. I feel for the parents of all of the young kids that died, due to driveby's, gang violence. It's not their faults, its Americas fault for dragging blacks from Africa, and slaving them. It's biting them in the ass today, "them" being the elite, and outer-city middleclass. 2pac says that, as africans, (we) can only knock on the door (of the government) for so long, asking for food, more money, and better education for the youth. You can only knock on that door and ask for so long, until theres no more knocking. Pretty soon one is gonna start kicking down the door just to get a piece, just for the things that one is not granted, and others are. And, this is where hip hop falls in, it is a tool for this, a tool to kick the door down, and feed the innercity communities. Poverty in america needs to be fixed before they attempt to save the worlds problems. You can hate hiphop all you want, infact, it makes me giggle. It wont be too long until your kids are listening to it aswell!! Hahaaaa!

ps. most ppl in here talking sh** about Hiphop are those far outside America. Don't worry, it will reach you soon

Only because you've got a bullet in your skull. Word.

But hey, 'gangsta's' a lifestyle, right? Deal with the consequences.

i live in small town around 6000 and i remember things back in middle school. there were not "ghetto" kids back then. but then around 7th and 8th grade a lot of people started listening to rap then started dressing like all the rappers and hiphop people do. now im a junior and most of these kids lives are fed up. they go and sit out on the corner of the street and smoke all day. they skip class, break things, do drugs and sell them and more recently invoked violence. now most of these kids are white too. so im not saying this is a black thing im not trying to be racist at all. what im getting at is i believe that muisc and lyrics changed them into what they are now. they want the "thug" life that they listen to in their stolen cd players.

True, a lifestyle which was handed to Afrikans. Considering they were slaves in America for 300 years! Until the 1930's they were slowly granted equality. But still, until the later civil rights movement, this was the first step toward equality. You cannot blame them for the lifestyle they were GIVEN. Big and Pac are dead due to the "Rampart scandle", an LAPD scandle which had members of the department affiliated with Pyru Blood gang members. An off duty Policeman killed Big, and Pac aswell I imagine. Your opinion is your opinion, but it lacks.



LOL, yea that sounds great! However im not referring to "small town" kids that enjoy thier misconceptions on what they believe living the gangster, or THUG LIFE is. Your friends sit on the corner skipping school, selling and smoking Ganja?... I believe Big would of considered some of these aspects as "hustlin". Not so much the skipping school ideology, but selling drugs, or anything in general to make your "pockets fatter" is hustlin, or a hustle. I believe The Notorious BIG describes the REAL ghetto life, and hustle, in the song, "Everyday Struggle", check it out . Unlike your small town (redneck?) suburbian kids whom admire hiphop/rap, seeing that the $biggest$ fan base is from the burbs, and as most do, dont really understand what it's really about. Hiphop reaches all, even those who arent from the ghetto, but understand pain in any matter.
... As Aerosmith says, "Rap it's the modern day Blues or Soul music"... and all of your opinions ignorant, arrongant, boisterous or not, are appreciated nontheless.

It has already reached where I am. I have to agree with Kaknelson, Hip hop is just poetry from the streets

I grew up in a horrific neighborhood where drug dealers were on every corner, you couldn't look down an alley without seeing a passed out drunk and you always had to watch your back in case some homeless junkie decided to mug you for the ten bucks you had in your pocket.

Maybe I should write some songs degrading women, complaining about how I have it so bad and cry and moan of how everyone else is to blame for my misfortune?

Will that make me a poet too?

Who said anything about Africans?

And no 'gave' anyone a lifestyle-and I'm not talking about anything from 300 years ago. It's ridiculous to even bring that up.

It's everyone else's fault, huh? Typical.

Ridiculous? Pac and Big are both direct decendents from the continent Africa. Stolen and tricked from Africa. American Slave ships started arriving back in America and Jamaica in the 1620's. Are you proud of your country's accomplishments, slaving another race? This "gangsta lifestyle" which you pointed out, is the direct result from what they have been subjected to; following upsrise of equality and slavery. Im proud as a Canadian, just right above you , that we did not have slavery. But witnessed your countries unhumain acts, the ones responsible for slavery are the real THUGS. Maybe because its slightly cooler up here, or maybe we are more worldy and multicultural, or that we just respect! Now i cannot condemn you... no, only your countries forefathers . And Most living the "gangsta" or "thug life" do not want to completely this conform to (white) American lifestyle, they do... but they would much rather understand and embrace the roots of who really they are. However, this is hard, being that they have been subjected to hate and prejudice for generations. If hate is all you see, and all you know, that's all your gonna give. And in this case it is hatefilled, or soulfilled music/poetry. Hey.... im just pointing it out, in the "hood" they see it different than what you see. They're is still misconceptions that blacks are equal in your country to this day. Maybe, in the media front, but those rich elites don't give a Wuuuuuuuuuut about blacks. My friend, do not condemn these innocent artists. They are merely Roses that grew from the Concrete. (a rare thing)

i just wanted to say for the record.... bit off topic but.... As Dr. Martin Luther King said, and as i believe, there is only one race... the human race.

God, I hope you don't spew off like that in front of friends. You won't have many left. How this got to be about blacks and slavery, I have no idea. But, obviously that's all you care about and will spin any conversation to fit that agenda. I'm sure you're a joy to be around up there in 'America Junior'.

And yes, it's still ridiculous.

Which is why you should leave this thread. You DONT have any idea.

Heh. Oh, I've got the idea. In fact, I've got it right. You'll see someday-if you make it. In the meantime, I'll be throwin' down a 40 and one for my homey. Know what I'm sayin'?

If you have problems with race, I'm sure there are other threads to post in.

No? I dont.

Fantastic reply.

Thanks! You too.

LOL, i was explaining that the "thug life" u thought was ridiculous, was created from the direct result from years of slavery, poverty and oppression. Anyways, America Junior? Noo...Our country is much larger, has cleaner water, cleaner air, i could go on .... and we beat your country in the war of 1812, when you attempted to invade. That's why ya'll spend so much taxe$ increasing your military, because you were scared. nuff said tho.
Like your quote says streetpumps, your not always right. its all good though.

ps. i don't spew.... and i have many friends.

LMAO!!!