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zandore
It came from the mouth of your peaceful and nice Jesus! rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(Something Like Laughter @ Mar 19 2006, 10:16 AM) [snapback]1111231[/snapback]

The Horror! using an example of violence to show that there is violence and greed in the world, how horrible. all christians should be thrown in jail for murder!
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Your words!
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Mar 19 2006, 09:08 AM) [snapback]1111073[/snapback]

Thanks. But nobody really answered my question.

Did Jesus (perfect man) die a virgin?

No one knows to be honest...I don't think the ible states whether he was or wasn't a virgin
Pointless_Nostalgic
QUOTE(Megalomania @ Mar 17 2006, 03:04 PM) [snapback]1108816[/snapback]

I dunno... Jesus would have attracted LOOOTTTTSSS of women tongue.gif
Especially with his cool goatee.



Lol true....Jesus was a hottie for his time! tongue.gif


But dude....who really needs to know wether he got some booti.

Ew.
TeraLink
No, according to Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code. Jesus was a mortal, just like all other humans.

TeraLink Was Here!
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(zandore @ Mar 19 2006, 09:48 AM) [snapback]1111210[/snapback]

grin2.gif grin2.gif grin2.gif I was hoping you would say that!

Jesus.....using violence to teach a lesson.



There was no lesson being taught. Where did you get that idea.
He simply booted the butts out of some Pat Robertsons of his day.
Those who take advantage of the ignorant and desperate.
zandore
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Mar 20 2006, 06:26 PM) [snapback]1113178[/snapback]
QUOTE(zandore @ Mar 19 2006, 09:48 AM) [snapback]1111210[/snapback]

grin2.gif grin2.gif grin2.gif I was hoping you would say that!

Jesus.....using violence to teach a lesson.

There was no lesson being taught. Where did you get that idea.
He simply booted the butts out of some Pat Robertsons of his day.
Those who take advantage of the ignorant and desperate.

Yes it was part of a lesson. Read "Luke 19:11-27".
Kaknelson
Im just saying this because the bible preaches abstinance, until marriage. And if jesus was perfect, and was unwedded, living perfectly would conclude him dieing a virgin. I suppose.
ladylion
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Mar 17 2006, 12:35 AM) [snapback]1108507[/snapback]

I think this is a valid question!

Some people claim that he was married, some claim he had a child, some say he didn't. Yet there is no concrete evidence on these remarks.
My question is, does anyone know if in his life he ever has sex atall? Did he die a virgin? innocent.gif





To answer your question or not, the bible doesnt say either way if he was a virgin or not. I have not read one part to refrence his sex life. interesting question.
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Mar 19 2006, 07:08 PM) [snapback]1111073[/snapback]

Did Jesus (perfect man) die a virgin?
Does it matter? Who knows if he ever had a wife. The Bible doesn't say he was married. But then again, it doesn't say he was single either. WOuld it matter, either way? It would only become an issue if Jesus were not in wedlock and had sex. Since there's no evidence of that......

Regards, PA
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 13 2006, 10:32 AM) [snapback]1145597[/snapback]

Does it matter? Who knows if he ever had a wife. The Bible doesn't say he was married. But then again, it doesn't say he was single either. WOuld it matter, either way? It would only become an issue if Jesus were not in wedlock and had sex. Since there's no evidence of that......

Regards, PA

It doesn't matter at all..if he was or wasnt a virgin...I agree with that...All anyone needs to know is he was the Son OF God
ThomasC
no jesus didnt get married why would he have it would have been pointless for his life on earth, and he lived a life with no sin so yes he died a virgin if he would have sinned he couldnt have been the christ, and yes jesus was a mortal human who was born to live a perfect life with no sin.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(ThomasC @ Apr 15 2006, 09:19 AM) [snapback]1148310[/snapback]

no jesus didnt get married why would he have it would have been pointless for his life on earth, and he lived a life with no sin so yes he died a virgin if he would have sinned he couldnt have been the christ, and yes jesus was a mortal human who was born to live a perfect life with no sin.

How do you know this for sure? And what if he did marry? How do you know that this wasn't left out of the bible...in order to make one believe he wasnt and was a virgin?? See you dont know, do you? no one does..and even if the bible did say Jesus had him a wife or 10...what does that matter? I would still love him regardless...wouldn't you??? hmm.gif
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(ThomasC @ Apr 15 2006, 06:19 PM) [snapback]1148310[/snapback]

no jesus didnt get married why would he have it would have been pointless for his life on earth, and he lived a life with no sin so yes he died a virgin if he would have sinned he couldnt have been the christ, and yes jesus was a mortal human who was born to live a perfect life with no sin.
Are you saying that getting married is a sin? hmm.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 15 2006, 10:37 AM) [snapback]1148363[/snapback]

Are you saying that getting married is a sin? hmm.gif

Thats what I was thinking too...and if he is saying that..how the heck is being married a sin? blink.gif
zandore
Even though PA and I go at it hot and heavy at times I am siding with him on this. (per Christian belief) If Jesus was real and he was married then sex would not be a sin.
ThomasC
no no where in my post did i say marriage was a sin, i said jesus didnt and wouldnt have gotten married, so no he didnt get married wether you wanna question it or not.....what would have been a sin is if he wouldnt of been a virgin and not gotten married. therefore commiting fornication, in which he did no sin so he had to be a virgin. this topic is actually pointless and was definatley a stupid question, seems to me just to be someone else trying to discredit jesus and what he did.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(ThomasC @ Apr 15 2006, 05:43 PM) [snapback]1148670[/snapback]

no no where in my post did i say marriage was a sin, i said jesus didnt and wouldnt have gotten married, so no he didnt get married wether you wanna question it or not.....what would have been a sin is if he wouldnt of been a virgin and not gotten married. therefore commiting fornication, in which he did no sin so he had to be a virgin. this topic is actually pointless and was definatley a stupid question, seems to me just to be someone else trying to discredit jesus and what he did.

But jesus's own mother Mary wasnt married when she gave birth to him...but that is ok blink.gif and how would you know for sure Jesus was or wasnt a virgin? Just because the bible dont mention it, does not make it so...after all there was no bible with all these laws in it when Jeus was here on earth.....and If Jesus was not a virgin...would you stop worshiping him all of a sudden?

I dont believe that sex is a sin....and I dont care what anyone thinks.....I prayed for God to grant me a baby after the hell I went through and trouble I had ..so I prayed so hard and gave him my reasons as to WHY I wanted to become a mother...God granted my prayers and I was blessed with lil Becky...God always answers me and I dont follow no bible or faith...therefore to me thats enough proof that says its NOT a sin happy.gif
ThomasC
well you have the right to believe what ever you want, god gave us that freedom, people can make up what they want to believe or what ever, but fornication is a sin and they had the law to live by before there was a new testament, and mary didnt have sex to conceive jesus he was conceived spiritually, therefore she didnt sin.
zandore
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QUOTE(ThomasC @ Apr 15 2006, 02:52 PM) [snapback]1148782[/snapback]

well you have the right to believe what ever you want, god gave us that freedom, people can make up what they want to believe or what ever, but fornication is a sin and they had the law to live by before there was a new testament, and mary didnt have sex to conceive jesus he was conceived spiritually, therefore she didnt sin.
If fornication is a sin what are you doing here on Earth?
science101
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Mar 19 2006, 09:08 AM) [snapback]1111073[/snapback]

Thanks. But nobody really answered my question.

Did Jesus (perfect man) die a virgin?


Kaknelson:

I will answer your question. Yes, Jesus was a virgin. He lived 33 years on earth void of sin of any kind. Anything else you want to know about the Messiah?

ThomasC
what does fornication have to do with me living here on earth
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(ThomasC @ Apr 15 2006, 07:52 PM) [snapback]1148782[/snapback]

well you have the right to believe what ever you want, god gave us that freedom, people can make up what they want to believe or what ever, but fornication is a sin and they had the law to live by before there was a new testament, and mary didnt have sex to conceive jesus he was conceived spiritually, therefore she didnt sin.

And what you believe to me is just something that is made up happy.gif
ThomasC
atleast what i believe has a referance, and its not just all in my head.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(ThomasC @ Apr 16 2006, 12:19 AM) [snapback]1149012[/snapback]

atleast what i believe has a referance, and its not just all in my head.

What you believe was man made...and you are entitled to believe in it....there is a brave difference between your God and mine....

My God is in heaven with his son Jesus christ..but my God does not judge you, he does not cast you into hell because you didnt follow him....he is all loving and all knowing and not to forget all forgiving...my God created us all including those of a different faith and those that are non believers and he loves each and every last one of them. Jesus did not wish for anyone to build temples / places of worship...so I worship him ijn my own time and in my own place....I dont follow some book that was made up by man....I follow what my heart tells me...and ever since I did...my prayers get answred...as for telling others what they do is a sin and they will answer to God...I dont believe in that...why asnwer to God when God see's all and knows all anyway???....

Sex is not a sin..its only natural...if God thought I was commiting a sin..he wouldnt have granted me the child I so begged him for....and dont sit there telling me that God did not grant me my child...dont even go there
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(ThomasC @ Apr 16 2006, 09:09 AM) [snapback]1148998[/snapback]

what does fornication have to do with me living here on earth
I just had to w00t.gif
Kaknelson
QUOTE(science101 @ Apr 15 2006, 01:27 PM) [snapback]1148851[/snapback]

Kaknelson:

I will answer your question. Yes, Jesus was a virgin. He lived 33 years on earth void of sin of any kind. Anything else you want to know about the Messiah?



I appreciate it babylon101... yes... thumbsup.gif

No one has ever gave me a complete answer. I have wondered about this.

Since he was the perfect man, and died a virgin. Does this advocate that to live like christ, one must refrain from sexual intercourse? Abstinence, until marriage? I suppose that this would be the "righteous" thing to do? unsure.gif

I know humans must reproduce, im not implicating anything against, f***ing is only natural!.... just curious as i said. thumbup.gif
Psychokinesis
QUOTE(Rykster @ Mar 17 2006, 08:37 AM) [snapback]1108537[/snapback]

No, he wasn't, but his mother was! w00t.gif

There are tales of christ and his exploits with Mary Magdelin.


Exactly..reading the Da Vinci Code might raise some questions...too bad that Dan Brown is a complete hack and a liar, he once admitted that all of the information that he claimed in his book to be "fact" was completely fabricated, found from no credible sources whatsoever. On top of that, if you take into consideration the sheer quantity of books written debunking his work, I doubt that any of the information Brown provides can be viewed as truth.
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Apr 16 2006, 03:41 PM) [snapback]1149461[/snapback]

Since he was the perfect man, and died a virgin. Does this advocate that to live like christ, one must refrain from sexual intercourse? Abstinence, until marriage? I suppose that this would be the "righteous" thing to do? unsure.gif
To live according to the Bible's teachings is to refrain from sex until marriage. There is nothing to say that once you're married you can go all out, but only with your partner.

According to the BIble, at least.

Regards, PA
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 16 2006, 09:11 AM) [snapback]1149560[/snapback]

To live according to the Bible's teachings is to refrain from sex until marriage. There is nothing to say that once you're married you can go all out, but only with your partner.

According to the BIble, at least.

Regards, PA

According to BM as long as you stick with your partner it all good but if you dont.....shame on you yes.gif I may as well be married..I have stuck with the same partner for over 10 years but hey if all is well for me next year I will be getting married..cuz we have everything now and all we need now is a peice of paper to seal the deal... grin2.gif
Kaknelson
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 16 2006, 01:13 AM) [snapback]1149561[/snapback]

According to BM as long as you stick with your partner it all good but if you dont.....shame on you yes.gif I may as well be married..I have stuck with the same partner for over 10 years but hey if all is well for me next year I will be getting married..cuz we have everything now and all we need now is a peice of paper to seal the deal... grin2.gif


Don't do it !!! yes.gif no.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Apr 16 2006, 09:18 AM) [snapback]1149564[/snapback]

Don't do it !!! yes.gif no.gif

grin2.gif Well put it this way...I am not getting any younger lol













ohmy.gif wtf have I just said..omg..I sounded old there....um BM is not that old I am only 31 ph34r.gif
Kaknelson
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 16 2006, 01:41 AM) [snapback]1149573[/snapback]

grin2.gif Well put it this way...I am not getting any younger lol




I was only kidding. innocent.gif


And yes you still are young.

As am I.

But your only as old as you feel. thumbsup.gif

And if getting married is your thing go for it! Aslong as your sure he's the one.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Apr 16 2006, 09:44 AM) [snapback]1149575[/snapback]

I was only kidding. innocent.gif
And yes you still are young.

As am I.

But your only as old as you feel. thumbsup.gif

And if getting married is your thing go for it! Aslong as your sure he's the one.

Yes I tell myself that all the time..age is just a number..BM hates numbers (unless there on a big fat cheque with my name on it) its how you feel that matters...besides I dont look my age either tongue.gif

But I strongly agre that partners should stick with eachother...if they cant and cheat on eachother, IMO its best to tell their partner its over before going off with someone else..its much better to do that than to drag that person along and cheat
Kaknelson
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 16 2006, 01:49 AM) [snapback]1149580[/snapback]

Yes I tell myself that all the time..age is just a number..BM hates numbers (unless there on a big fat cheque with my name on it) its how you feel that matters...besides I dont look my age either tongue.gif

But I strongly agre that partners should stick with eachother...if they cant and cheat on eachother, IMO its best to tell their partner its over before going off with someone else..its much better to do that than to drag that person along and cheat



True.

Some people need to cheat, like compulsively. And, they don't tell you this until you find out when it's too late.

Would you consider going to a strip club cheating?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Apr 16 2006, 09:51 AM) [snapback]1149582[/snapback]

True.

Some people need to cheat, like compulsively. And, they don't tell you this until you find out when it's too late.

Would you consider going to a strip club cheating?

Nope...I dont call that cheating...only if the person chances his arm with a stripper then its cheating..and lil does he know he is digging his own grave by doing so <--figer of speach btw


If the bible says its wrong to cheat..then its the only thing I agree with (cuz I dont follow the bible) Take men for example...they never ever think of the consequences that awaits them...for a one night stand..that man could loose his wife and kids for good...and he winds up hating himself...I say if you make your bed...you lay in it..simple as that...if you dont put your brain into action before hand..and the sh*t hits the fan..you have only yourself to blame happy.gif
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 16 2006, 06:13 PM) [snapback]1149561[/snapback]

According to BM as long as you stick with your partner it all good but if you dont.....shame on you yes.gif I may as well be married..I have stuck with the same partner for over 10 years but hey if all is well for me next year I will be getting married..cuz we have everything now and all we need now is a peice of paper to seal the deal... grin2.gif
Correct. I do however take a more spiritual understanding of "marriage" than simply getting a certificate. the certificate is not really necessary. Faithfulness to your partner IS important though, as you say. Indeed, a certificate is no guarantee that the couple are "married" either.

THough I have met "Christians" who have claimed the same thing - they said "oh we're married in God's eyes, so we're allowed to have sex". Which is fair enough if what they say is true, except that they broke up and two weeks later had new partner's, also claiming they were "married in GOd's eyes". I guess they forgot what God says about divorce.

But it's not my place to judge them. It's a matter between them and God.

Regards, PA
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 16 2006, 10:02 AM) [snapback]1149592[/snapback]

Correct. I do however take a more spiritual understanding of "marriage" than simply getting a certificate. the certificate is not really necessary. Faithfulness to your partner IS important though, as you say. Indeed, a certificate is no guarantee that the couple are "married" either.

THough I have met "Christians" who have claimed the same thing - they said "oh we're married in God's eyes, so we're allowed to have sex". Which is fair enough if what they say is true, except that they broke up and two weeks later had new partner's, also claiming they were "married in GOd's eyes". I guess they forgot what God says about divorce.

But it's not my place to judge them. It's a matter between them and God.

Regards, PA


BNot just in Gods eyes PA but in the eyes of the law..we are refered to as - common law marriage....If Gary and I where to split..he would be entitled to half of what we own..this is a fact

PA a certificate seals the deal for me...I am not religious...and it wouldnt be right for me to make Gary marry into my old church and he dont feel right making me marry into his church..since we both are not church going people....a reg office is good enough for us...as for the things involved in a marriage PA...we already have it. they are called.............

Love

Respect

Honor

Consideration

Kindness

Understanding

Loyalty

We already have what it takes so sorry PA but all we need is to attend the reg office and thats it..if you lived over here and understood as to why we cant marry into a church..you would look at it differently...the only one that belongs to a church is our lil one Becky..only because we feel its a good start for her.
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 16 2006, 07:12 PM) [snapback]1149597[/snapback]

BNot just in Gods eyes PA but in the eyes of the law..we are refered to as - common law marriage....If Gary and I where to split..he would be entitled to half of what we own..this is a fact

PA a certificate seals the deal for me...I am not religious...and it wouldnt be right for me to make Gary marry into my old church and he dont feel right making me marry into his church..since we both are not church going people....a reg office is good enough for us...as for the things involved in a marriage PA...we already have it. they are called.............

Love

Respect

Honor

Consideration

Kindness

Understanding

Loyalty

We already have what it takes so sorry PA but all we need is to attend the reg office and thats it..if you lived over here and understood as to why we cant marry into a church..you would look at it differently...the only one that belongs to a church is our lil one Becky..only because we feel its a good start for her.
blink.gif dontgetit.gif I don't understand. I was agreeing with you. It's not about a piece of paper, but about each other. I didn't say anything about having to do it in a church!


Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 16 2006, 10:14 AM) [snapback]1149600[/snapback]

blink.gif dontgetit.gif I don't understand. I was agreeing with you. It's not about a piece of paper, but about each other. I didn't say anything about having to do it in a church!

opps sorry PA I am not myself today..I picked you up wrong..I thought you where trying to tell me a reg wedding is not the real thing sorry lol blush.gif but hey we all have done it from one time or another ph34r.gif
Kaknelson
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 16 2006, 01:57 AM) [snapback]1149587[/snapback]

Nope...I dont call that cheating...only if the person chances his arm with a stripper then its cheating..and lil does he know he is digging his own grave by doing so <--figer of speach btw
If the bible says its wrong to cheat..then its the only thing I agree with (cuz I dont follow the bible) Take men for example...they never ever think of the consequences that awaits them...for a one night stand..that man could loose his wife and kids for good...and he winds up hating himself...I say if you make your bed...you lay in it..simple as that...if you dont put your brain into action before hand..and the sh*t hits the fan..you have only yourself to blame happy.gif



I hear you. Wise words, it can definitley mess sh** up. LOL to say the least. happy.gif
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 16 2006, 07:17 PM) [snapback]1149604[/snapback]

opps sorry PA I am not myself today..I picked you up wrong..I thought you where trying to tell me a reg wedding is not the real thing sorry lol blush.gif but hey we all have done it from one time or another ph34r.gif
THat's ok, I understand. I'll let you off this time..... but when your operation's done and successful, expect no mercy.... MWUHAHAHAHA devil.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 16 2006, 10:20 AM) [snapback]1149607[/snapback]

THat's ok, I understand. I'll let you off this time..... but when your operation's done and successful, expect no mercy.... MWUHAHAHAHA devil.gif

w00t.gif laugh.gif

Guess what...this is the 1st time you have actually caught me off guard LOL...well that I know of anyhoo tongue.gif but my excuse is I havent been feeling well..I have a dose of the flu..I caught it of a guy at work grrrrrrr!!! blink.gif
zandore
QUOTE(ThomasC @ Apr 15 2006, 07:09 PM) [snapback]1148998[/snapback]

what does fornication have to do with me living here on earth

whistling2.gif whistling2.gif whistling2.gif

ummm the birds and the bees come to mind. innocent.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(zandore @ Apr 16 2006, 02:51 PM) [snapback]1149716[/snapback]

whistling2.gif whistling2.gif whistling2.gif

ummm the birds and the bees come to mind. innocent.gif

And the educated fleas tongue.gif
zandore
^^Never heard that one before! no.gif
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