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Kaknelson
I think this is a valid question!

Some people claim that he was married, some claim he had a child, some say he didn't. Yet there is no concrete evidence on these remarks.


My question is, does anyone know if in his life he ever has sex atall? Did he die a virgin? innocent.gif
Zoe Rose
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Mar 17 2006, 12:35 AM) [snapback]1108507[/snapback]

I think this is a valid question!

Some people claim that he was married, some claim he had a child, some say he didn't. Yet there is no concrete evidence on these remarks.
My question is, does anyone know if in his life he ever has sex atall? Did he die a virgin? innocent.gif


Seeing as though Jesus was without sin (assuming you believe him to be the Messiah, which I do) then yes, Jesus was a virgin. This of course is assuming he did not marry and no where in the Bible does it say he did or didn't. If he did marry, which I don't think he did, (not that it makes a difference imho) then he would've consummated the marriage which would mean that no, he was not a virgin.
Rykster
No, he wasn't, but his mother was! w00t.gif

There are tales of christ and his exploits with Mary Magdelin.
ShaunZero
Oh no! He bangedededed a hooker?!


Kidding. I know all about those stories.
Rosemary Campbell
I will add my two cents worth here.

Back in l986 when I awakened one morning at 3 a.m. and saw Jesus walking towards my bed I began to get some of these answers.

As time went on a source in the Spirit World began to show me past lives of many people all the way back to the Holy Land Lifetime.

In One Episode I saw Mary Walking across the Dessert and she picked up some Camel Dung and threw it at something.

Another time I saw Jesus sleeping after having too much wine just as any Human would do.

Another time I saw Jesus laying sleeping and Mary Magdalena was kneeling by the Bed he lay on weeping as she did at the Crucifixion and the Picture was displayed in such a way that I felt she was his wife weeping over his Death.

These looks into past Lifetimes were in Technicolor like Movie Pictures and sometimes they are also displayed in other lifetimes to show how the people came back through Reincarnation and who they were in various lifetimes.

People believe that Jesus went back to the Spirit World and stayed there all these years but my Psychic Information says that Jesus came back in many Lifetimes and Walked the Earth as an entirely new Personality.

Imaginary Friend
w00t.gif Thar be a tickler for those tent revivals, if he wasn't!

"And lo, verily I say unto you, Jesus ravished her in the garden and thought she had a nice tooshie ....." rofl.gif Kidding! (Like I have to say that!? sleepy.gif )

The Magdalene was not a prostitute, and there is no Biblical account of Yeshua ever having a sex life though of the male Deity myths that compose the Christ story, the same can not be said.
Megalomania
I dunno... Jesus would have attracted LOOOTTTTSSS of women tongue.gif
Especially with his cool goatee.
~TheArtOfContact~
QUOTE(Megalomania @ Mar 17 2006, 04:04 PM) [snapback]1108816[/snapback]

I dunno... Jesus would have attracted LOOOTTTTSSS of women tongue.gif
Especially with his cool goatee.

That was a goatee??? I know he was scruffy, and who would resist a man with magick hands!! It does seem likely that he could be a virgin, because if he was able to resist the devil, he obviously could resist women too... but you think about it, and there were alot of powerful women back then... he'd have to try and point out the devil in a woman first before being tempted into anything. & were talking about a very powerful guy, so if it was what was understood about Mary Magdeline, it was about temptation being resisted with her. After all, he did save her life - and who knows how much closer Mary wanted to be with him in the matter of repaying him.

So there has to be a legit connection to resisting temptation. So my answer would be yes, he probably was.
zandore
Virtually every Jewish man in Jesus' day did marry, especially those who were considered to be Rabbis.


**cough cough** I found this:

"Gentlemen, that is as plain as the translators, or different councils over this Scripture, are allow it to go to the world, but the thing is there; it is told; Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee, and he told them what to do... Now there was actually a marriage; and if Jesus was not the bridegroom on that occasion, please tell who was. If any man can show this, and prove that it was not the Savior of the world, then I will acknowledge I am in error. We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into the relation whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified."

Source

Mormon web site
Turtle
Pity wer continue to be preoccupied with Jesus the person instead of Jesus quest.
What did Jesus find that you all are missing?
zandore
Hey Turtle it's been a while!

QUOTE(Turtle @ Mar 17 2006, 01:42 PM) [snapback]1109137[/snapback]
What did Jesus find that you all are missing?
I am not missing anything.
Thanato
Well Jesus was a drunkin hippy with a possy and a prostitute

~Thanato
ramster83
The question was whether Jesus was a Virgin (not married)...My opinion is that he was a virgin. Its not like it was impossible that he was not married or a virgin even back in his day, even back with his status. I'm sure Jesus could have been tempted, could have had offerings by many of the ladies back then- but if his faith and status was as high as claimed he could have smiled and said "no". yes.gif
Astronema
ummm every one is asking about jesus...was he a mad liar,was he married and now was he a virgin... and was he a prositute??
novaceleste
I think it shouldn't matter. Should it??
ramster83
Whats most important was that he (apparently) was a really nice guy- so thats fine by me.
GIDEON MAGE
QUOTE(ramster83 @ Mar 17 2006, 08:57 PM) [snapback]1109756[/snapback]

Whats most important was that he (apparently) was a really nice guy- so thats fine by me.

xians were the ones who made up the whole "sex is a sin" thing. contrary to xian opinion, it is neither stated nor implied in genesis.
novaceleste
Isn't it only natural as a human to have sex?????
GIDEON MAGE
the xian fantasy is that he was somehow 100% god and man. If he was a man, he had male genitalia, and let's go from there. As a revolutionary hero of his time, he must have had babes clinging on to him, although, I always thought it obvious that he and the mag...
novaceleste
QUOTE(ramster83 @ Mar 17 2006, 07:57 PM) [snapback]1109756[/snapback]

Whats most important was that he (apparently) was a really nice guy- so thats fine by me.

True. That is what's important. Maybe it's blasphemous, but if Jesus was a human, aren't humans imperfect?
GIDEON MAGE
unless he was an alien which would explain so much.
novaceleste
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Mar 17 2006, 09:42 PM) [snapback]1109867[/snapback]

unless he was an alien which would explain so much.

And yes I have heard some say that. w00t.gif
zandore
QUOTE(ramster83 @ Mar 17 2006, 08:57 PM) [snapback]1109756[/snapback]

Whats most important was that he (apparently) was a really nice guy- so thats fine by me.
Nice?

Lu 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
The Doctor
Kinda off topic but just a though, if being adulterous is a sin and Mary was married to Joseph and then had God's baby what does that mean?
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(The Doctor @ Mar 18 2006, 08:58 AM) [snapback]1110161[/snapback]

Kinda off topic but just a though, if being adulterous is a sin and Mary was married to Joseph and then had God's baby what does that mean?


There is no sexual intercourse involved in having test tube babies.
I see no other obvious explanation for any immaculate conception at this time.
Perhaps we will know other methods in the future, but for now that is about it.
zandore
QUOTE(The Doctor @ Mar 18 2006, 08:58 AM) [snapback]1110161[/snapback]
Kinda off topic but just a though, if being adulterous is a sin and Mary was married to Joseph and then had God's baby what does that mean?
Per Christian Bible Mary was pregnant before her and Joseph got married......
The Doctor
But unless you believe in some kind os extraterrestrial involvement then how could it have been a test tube baby?
I do agree with you though artificial insemination does seem to fit the idea of immaculate conception.
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(zandore @ Mar 18 2006, 08:52 AM) [snapback]1110158[/snapback]

Nice?

Lu 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.



The end of Religious Institutions for profit and power -

Lu 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Lu 19:28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

Lu 19:45 And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought;
Lu 19:46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

(This is also the only incident recorded of Jesus using violence against others. Translations have done some butchering and adding over time but the general intent of the story is intact that using religion to feed off of others was hated by him very much.)
The Doctor
QUOTE(zandore @ Mar 18 2006, 02:05 PM) [snapback]1110166[/snapback]

Per Christian Bible Mary was pregnant before her and Joseph got married......

Which technically (using the proper term) makes Jesus a bastard...
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(The Doctor @ Mar 18 2006, 09:31 AM) [snapback]1110181[/snapback]

Which technically (using the proper term) makes Jesus a bastard...


Not at all.
Illegitimacy is a legal term.
You have many children still today born across the planet to married parents that are legitimate and carry the last name of the male spouse who is not the infant's father.
Also all adopted children are the legal legitimate offspring of the adoptive parents.
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Mar 17 2006, 10:23 PM) [snapback]1109840[/snapback]

xians were the ones who made up the whole "sex is a sin" thing. contrary to xian opinion, it is neither stated nor implied in genesis.


There is no mainstream Christian belief that sex is a sin.
There was the Russian mutilation cult and some celebit denominations appeared and disapeared, but the belief that sex is a sin was never part of most Christian doctrines.
The Doctor
But it's not as though Mary and Joseph filled in forms to adopt the son of God, nor did Mary and God start a relationship together. My understanding of the term is that when a child is born out of wedlock i.e. the mother and father are not married or the woman has a baby to another man she is not married to then the child would be refered to as a "bastard". The word began to be used as an insult as it implies negative things about someone's parenthood.
At least that's what I thought it meant.
Bella-Angelique
If a child is born into a marriage it is not born out of wedlock.
Jesus was born into a marriage.
His name was Yeshua ben Yoseph, Joshua son of Joseph.
He was the legitimate son of Joseph.

And no, if a woman has a child by another man other than the one she is married to the child is legitimate unless legal action is taken by the woman's husband to change that.
Otherwise the child remains the legitimate child of the woman's husband.

angrycrustacean
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Mar 18 2006, 08:21 AM) [snapback]1110226[/snapback]

Jesus was born into a marriage.


Er. Explain?
zandore
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Mar 18 2006, 10:17 AM) [snapback]1110215[/snapback]
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Mar 17 2006, 10:23 PM) [snapback]1109840[/snapback]

xians were the ones who made up the whole "sex is a sin" thing. contrary to xian opinion, it is neither stated nor implied in genesis.

There is no mainstream Christian belief that sex is a sin.
There was the Russian mutilation cult and some celebit denominations appeared and disapeared, but the belief that sex is a sin was never part of most Christian doctrines.
I think Gideon means sex outside of marriage and Mary was "with child" before Joseph......
Bella-Angelique
Matthew 1:24


Joseph arose from his sleep, and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took his wife to himself; (WEB)

And Joseph arose from his sleep, and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took unto him his wife; (ASV)

And Joseph did as the angel of the Lord had said to him, and took her as his wife; (BBE)

But Joseph, having awoke up from his sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had enjoined him, and took to him his wife, (DBY)

Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: (KJV)

Then Joseph, being raised from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took to him his wife: (WBS)

When Joseph awoke, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded, and brought home his wife, (WEY)

And Joseph, having risen from the sleep, did as the messenger of the Lord directed him, and received his wife, (YLT)
The Doctor
QUOTE(zandore @ Mar 18 2006, 03:28 PM) [snapback]1110237[/snapback]

There is no mainstream Christian belief that sex is a sin.
There was the Russian mutilation cult and some celebit denominations appeared and disapeared, but the belief that sex is a sin was never part of most Christian doctrines.
I think Gideon means sex outside of marriage and Mary was "with child" before Joseph......

You mean before she even started a relationship with Joseph?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Mar 18 2006, 03:21 PM) [snapback]1110226[/snapback]

If a child is born into a marriage it is not born out of wedlock.
Jesus was born into a marriage.
His name was Yeshua ben Yoseph, Joshua son of Joseph.
He was the legitimate son of Joseph.

And no, if a woman has a child by another man other than the one she is married to the child is legitimate unless legal action is taken by the woman's husband to change that.
Otherwise the child remains the legitimate child of the woman's husband.

Mary and joesph where never married
zandore
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Mar 18 2006, 10:30 AM) [snapback]1110239[/snapback]
Matthew 1:24
Bela what point are you trying to make?
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(zandore @ Mar 18 2006, 10:28 AM) [snapback]1110237[/snapback]

I think Gideon means sex outside of marriage and Mary was "with child" before Joseph......


Ahh, I think I see. So to some there is an implied meaning that Mary was picked simply because she was a virgin, and that any woman who has had sex is somehow not as good as a virgin.
Yes, I do see how primitive soceities could think this up because of sexually transmitted diseases and their inability to comprehend their transmission and causes.
So if God chose a virginal womb to bear Jesus it must mean that sex is bad in the minds of some. That is unfortunate.
It reduces her to being chosen only for her body and not for her mind and character. Very dehumanizing.
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(zandore @ Mar 18 2006, 10:41 AM) [snapback]1110255[/snapback]

Bela what point are you trying to make?


Crusty asked me to explain how they came to be married before he was born in the story.
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Mar 18 2006, 10:36 AM) [snapback]1110248[/snapback]

Mary and joesph where never married


Wherever did that idea come from?
They were engaged at the time of conception and married before birth.
They did not get engaged twice.
zandore
QUOTE(The Doctor @ Mar 18 2006, 10:31 AM) [snapback]1110242[/snapback]
You mean before she even started a relationship with Joseph?


This article is about the Roman Catholic theological and doctrinal concept of Mary. See Virgin Mary for other conceptions of Mary.

The Blessed Virgin Mary, sometimes shortened to The Blessed Virgin is a traditional title specifically used by Roman Catholics, Anglo-Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and others to describe Mary, the mother of Jesus. It carries with it a belief not merely in the virginity of Mary, but of her continuing role within the church and in the life of ordinary Catholics, for which Roman Catholicism in the Dogmatic Constitution of the Church (21 November 1964), passed during the Second Vatican Council, granted her the title Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix. Colloquially she is often referred to as Our Lady.


Source
angrycrustacean
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Mar 18 2006, 08:43 AM) [snapback]1110260[/snapback]

Crusty asked me to explain how they came to be married before he was born in the story.


Thanks for the clarification, I see what you mean. But I think the original point was that if Mary really was a virgin mother, then the baby was technically God and her's, not Joseph and her's.

So it just comes down to your definition of wedlock; Does it matter if the baby is the married couple's, or not.
Something Like Laughter
QUOTE(zandore @ Mar 18 2006, 07:52 AM) [snapback]1110158[/snapback]

Nice?

Lu 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

do you actually read any of the text surrounding these verses you paste all the time?
Kaknelson
Thanks. But nobody really answered my question.

Did Jesus (perfect man) die a virgin?
zandore
QUOTE(Something Like Laughter @ Mar 18 2006, 04:14 PM) [snapback]1110561[/snapback]
QUOTE(zandore @ Mar 18 2006, 08:52 AM) [snapback]1110158[/snapback]
Nice?
Lu 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
do you actually read any of the text surrounding these verses you paste all the time?
grin2.gif
Your point being?
Something Like Laughter
QUOTE(zandore @ Mar 19 2006, 07:48 AM) [snapback]1111176[/snapback]

grin2.gif
Your point being?
well if you did read the context, you would have noticed that the verse comes at the tail end of Luke's version of the parable of the talents or minas in this case. that isnt Jesus speaking, its the king in the parable. there is a very good chance that it is describing, or at least alluding to, Herodes Archelaos, one of Herod the Great's sons.
zandore
grin2.gif grin2.gif grin2.gif I was hoping you would say that!
QUOTE(Something Like Laughter @ Mar 19 2006, 09:27 AM) [snapback]1111197[/snapback]

well if you did read the context, you would have noticed that the verse comes at the tail end of Luke's version of the parable of the talents or minas in this case.

Jesus.....using violence to teach a lesson.

"No kingdom has shed more blood than the kingdom of Christ."
[Montiesque]
Something Like Laughter
QUOTE(zandore @ Mar 19 2006, 08:48 AM) [snapback]1111210[/snapback]

grin2.gif grin2.gif grin2.gif I was hoping you would say that!

Jesus.....using violence to teach a lesson.

The Horror! using an example of violence to show that there is violence and greed in the world, how horrible. all christians should be thrown in jail for murder!

a challenge zandore:
write me a story with the theme that there are evil, greedy men in the world using only cute, docile, fluffy bunnies, hugs and kisses. use no violence or allusions to any greedy, evil people and make it less than 350 words.
when your done, ask yourself if anyone over the age of 2 would take you seriously if you told it to them.
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