Once again, this is directed to GS. Well, it's good to see that this thread wasn't killed off and is now, back on track. Any time you discuss religion in an open forum, there's always going to be persecution added in. Ironic isn't it? I believe it's a subtle attempt by opposing forces to put an end to it. I'm not saying Exception is evil. I'm saying, the idea to pick a fight, was touched off in his thought process by external forces. This is only my opinion. I mean no offense to anyone.

The whole side story about America being evil, is hard for me to swallow. It's probably because my pride is being hurt. I was raised to believe that America was the good guys. Being an American and serving (out of a sense of duty) in the military was what I wanted to do when I grew up. I reached that goal and I'm proud of myself. It's tough now, having some pretty harsh critics trying to convince me, I'm evil because I'm American. My barracks is about 50 yards from the main gate at Kwang Ju. Every Friday we have to lock the gates and listen to protestors march and shout bad things at us, just 50 yards from us. We've actually gotten used to it. I'm not evil and neither are any of my colleagues. It's just something we have to deal with now.

So, when the anti-christ finally reveals himself, do you think he'll do it with a large elaborate production; or is he going to be subtle and assume control kind of like a corporate buy-out?

You are absolutely sure the anti-christ is alive right now, and you even know his name? That, my friend, is probably (if it's true) one of the most important pieces of information ever. I'd be a pretty careful person, if I were you.

This message is for Cinders. Throughout most of the forums that I have read, since becoming a member, you've always provided outstanding links to some great videos.

Bravo to you!

oh my I'm so sorry that people would say that kinda stuff to you guys. sense your civilians just working for the government. you are not the government. your just working for them. and you guys are certainly not evil because you work for the government. you just work for them that's all. in my opinion the government is something awhole lot more powerful then just a group of soliders working for them. I think the people. i mean the really big people in the government are the ones who are evil and sinister. some of them are not. like take for instence JFK. He was certainly not evil. He was a good man. and he was gonna let the public know the truth about this stuff. i think JFK was killed because he was gonna let the public know the truth. i think the real truth to his death was covered up by evil people in the government. the soliders and other people working for the government. are not evil people. they also want to know the truth to this kinda stuff. take phillip schneider for instantence he worked for the government. and he certainly was not evil. He really wanted so much for his friend who in my opinion was murdered by some of the big boys in the government. i mean the really really really big boys. not just a solider. fighting for his country. he wanted his friend to have some meaning to his death. he philip wanted to know that yes although his friend was muerdered doing this was still worth the risk because it would have brought meaning to his friend's death. that he didn't just die for nothing. he died respecting the rights of the public and trying to get the truth out to the public in anyway he possibly could. the same goes for philip. he respected the publics rights of wanting to know the truth about all of this. so he decided to keep on going with it all. but in the process of doing so. doing for what he truly believed was right. he was killed in the process for doing so. here's what we have to do. we have to make phillips and his friends death and many others. we have to let the truth be known to the public so that pillips and his friends and many others death wouldn't be that they died for nothing. for no reason at all. we must let the truth be known in order for their deaths to have meaning to it. i mean sadly yes they were killed. but if we somehow are able to get the truth out there to the public then we would beable to think and say yes there were many deaths in searching for the truth to this issue. but it was worth while. because the outcome came to be good. and now we can move forward into the future knowing that the truth has become known to the people and feeling proud of it. i mean all of them people trying to get the truth to be revealed would have died for nothing if we didn't finish what they started but because of us finishing what they started along time ago. their deaths now at last have meaning. and now we can move on having more peace in america then we ever had before. that my friend is what we have to try and do. is make these peoples deaths have a meaning to them. a very special,peaceful, and beatiful meaning/outcome because of us trying our best to get the truth out there and succeding because of it.

sorry if i didn't really explain that clearly. i always have a problem with explaining what it is that i'm trying to explain. it can get very overwelming at times.

Always separate what you ‘know’ from what you ‘believe’
Especially religious beliefs. Let go back to the late 1940’s and assume for arguments sake MJ-12 exists.
A good all round balance of top military personnel and scientists with a civilian as the head. My point is, at least they separate their beliefs and concentrate on what they actually know about the aliens. Some facts would be impossible to verify, such as the claims the aliens make that they’re from zeta reticuli etc

If MJ-12 was made up of a collection of people with strong religious beliefs who could not seperate belief from fact, what would they do? “The grey alien demon hordes of the anti-Christ have already infested the states, so we’ve decided to launch a nuclear strike against the US itself! It’s what Jesus would have wanted”

wow ...i hope your wrong rapid but 59 secret bases later i tend to agree the grey reptillian beasts might have a hold on the U.S....kinda scary

lol Hey, I’ll always admit when I’m wrong or don’t know opposed to religious zealots who rarely do.
That’s what I meant religious zealots, not religious people in general.
Sh*t I noticed in this forum, sometimes when people say something in jest they're actually right!

I dare not presume.Begin at "it's" (Re: "The Satanist's Idol") beginning please, as far as you know.

America is NOT evil, the PEOPLE are NOT evil. I have traveled around the world, mostly the European states and China, all i have to say is America beats everysingle one of them easily by the type of life that is lived their and the people that are their. It's Just alot of bad things are happining in the shadows that the American people and even the world are not seeing. Being an American is not bad.



Oh yes, but remember Jesus did say that many anti-christ will come and go - But i think he is the one that is talked about in Revelation.



Yes, when he reveals himself, the WHOLE world would know - he would speak to every single living being (and this is one of his fake powers). There will also be a huge UFO "show" that will occur when he comes, the question is though - will he come straight when NESARA is announced or after to by sometime so NESARA can win the hearts of many.

Fine... Your wish.

OH GOD. THIS CAN'T BE GOOD. IS THERE ANYWAY THAT WE CAN SAVE OURSELVES FROM NEASARA AND THE ANTI-CHRIST. WHILE WERE WAITING FOR THE REAL CHRIST TO COME. AND WITHOUT BEING KILLED BY THE NESARA OR THE ANTI-CHRIST.

Well the Bible said that every single human at that time will follow the beast, oh and he got ways to make you follow him. Remember what Hitler did to his german people? He wanted to know were the Jewish people lived... so he would send guards to nock around people's houses. So a german would open the door greated by the guard..."Hello ... great day we are having thanks to Hitler isn't it" is what the guard would say. "We were just wandering if you know were any Jews are..." he would follow. Now the man would say "No sorry". The guards would shout "You LIE, we know that you have been talking to the Jewish society"... the man would still say "no sorry." So the guard ends of by saying "Fine would your wife please step outside" - she gets killed... what i meant by all of this was the Devil can easily use the people around you to his advantage and not only that - events like this send a shockwave to scare people and in turn follow the devil with shut ears and eyes.

Remember i said the Bible, so its up to you if you wish to believe it or not... i advise everyone to do their own research.

so theres nothing we can do. is there. we just have to watch everything go down the drains and not fight back. thats upserd. especially when the people who dont want to follow the devil know that they can fight back. thats just ridiculous. its like a world holocaust. and nothing more. but nothing less ethier. WE MUST FIGHT BACK. WE MUST EVEN IF IT KILLS US ALL. WE STILL MUST FIGHT THE DEVIL. AFTER ALL THE ONLY TRUE FAILURE IS NOT TRYING AT ALL. DON'T YOU AGREE DO I HAVE A POINT. OR DO YOU JUST THINK IM CRAZY. YOU DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES.

Your very right.

SO THEN WE SHOULD FIGHT BACK. WE COULD GET ALL THE GOOD ALIEN RACES TO JOIN US IN OUR FIGHT AGAINST THE DEVIL AND GOD AND GODS ARMY OF ANGELS TO FIGHT ALONG SIDE OF US. OH YES AND JESUS CHRIST.

I'll fight the Aliens using psychic ability but i will call the Angels to fight with the Devil.

Wow! That was quite a reply! Thanks Mckenna, you've always proven yourself to be a very sweet person. Stay the way you are, and don't let anyone change you, not even the devil.

You've got a lot of fight in you too!

@albaby
of course u arent evil n I trust u that none of your comradz is,but most of the people including me see the military from a different angle.
Its the same with the police u know?The cops dont do nothin wrong,they just doin their job which is to make sure that people obey the law,but its the law that is wrong u know what I mean?
The problem is that u,the military,take orders from the same people that make the law,u r send to war in the name of god n for u it seems that u are the good ones that free a country from tyranny,fighting evil demons(terrorists) n so on,when in the end its all about money.
I mean no offense to you,because from what I read in this thread u r smart enough to see the bigger picture n u got a clear view from what is going on,
but again no disrespect I just wonder how can a person like u who understands all that work for the military,which I see as a tool for the government,puppets basically,
especially because as far as I know one of the first things u learn is to obey an order without futher questioning or am I wrong about that?
U can go to prison for insubordination(if thats the right word) right?
And I understand that this is needed if ur on the front and theres no time for discussions,but I also think its very often used in a wrong way
because it makes it easy for the big fishes to give orders without real reasons.
Thats all for now a little off topic but its something I cant really understand,
I mean I dont hate America or people from America,because I don see it as your fault its propaganda comming from the people in the government u know how they portrayed Hitler in german television during the 2.ww,which is a very heavy example compared to whats going on in America,but my point is that if all your life you r told that u r the good guys,
u start to believe it no matter how smart,wise etc. u r.What else should u do?
oh oh oh I don post a lot on here I rather read,but when I post I always write too much 8)
Again no offense Im just wondering u know?
And of course I know that this doesnt fit for all Americans,and in no way this is meant to be insulting or anything but Im always interested in other ways of seeing things.


@mckenna
dont be afraid because all u gotta do is have faith and the big man up in heaven will take care of u,u know we gotta speech in ma native language n that is "help yourself then god helps you" badly translated but if u think about it u will get the point,
it took me a long time to fully understand it too and I still find myself on the ground sometimes but hey thats the way life goes if u havent seen rain u wont appreciate the sun.

And another thing I fully agree with u on your post about the truth beeing told so that those people died for a reason.

@topic
damn this is a very nice thread poorly my pc is so lame that I cant watch any of the videos,but I ll find a way.
Really a lot of good information in here though I don really feel the comparison of I believe it was George Washington n this satan guy baphomet or what his name was,
because as far as I know the statue of Justicia has exactly the same hand position correct me if Im wrong because right now Im too tired to search for a picture.
And I think the hand sign is a little far fetched because why should they show it always especially in public,why should they pose like that?Also u could connect the peace(or victory) sign as well to the illuminati because I believe u ll find Bush doing it,Kerry aswell hell everybody did it some time u know what I mean?



peazz

I went back to my post that you just replied to and re-read it. Boy, it sure read as though I was having a pitty party for myself. That's not quite the message I was trying to send out. I will try to be a little more direct in my text.

First, I want to say thank you for your kind words about Americans. It's nice to hear something positive, for a change.

The rest of this post is for everyone. This is only my opinion, nothing more.

The point I was trying to make was that people need to be aware of the fact that everyone can read these posts. Just like everyone can watch CNN and view/read practically everything that's released through the media. Now expressing your political views is one thing. Even having a conspiracy theory (or two) is fine as well. I would just like people be aware that their posts have the ability to influence and affect others.

Look at the poor guy who's going to be executed in Afganistan for changing his religion from Muslim to Christian. He did this 16 years ago. Now, you have this great uproar over some cartoons. The Muslim world now feels it needs to get back at the western world in every way possible, including killing this guy.

Just about every time something negative is publicized about America, the Americans abroad feel some sort of affects from it. The locals were I currently live know of every negative event (real or perceived) that "The Americans are doing". Most of the general population don't distinguish between my country and me as a person. I have buddies in Iraq that see it much more severely than I do.

If this post is going to represent my country as a Satanic country, at least put a disclaimer on your comments. If you feel that is asking too much, fine. There's nothing I can do about it. At least you know where I stand.

The bible said this and the bible said that... ...This old book is written by man for man,thats it.

For all you people that believes in ETs, God, Bigfoot or the easter bunny,well,good for you.

As far as I know there is still no scientific proof for any of the above, but hey, what ever
gets you through the day.



Cary on.

And there is no scientific proof that it isn't true....

Albaby...

I just want to send you a BIG HUG!

And any of the videos I post that may be directed regarding our US Government is in no way implied towards you. I hope you know this of me..

I certainly feel that much of this "secrecy" is even kept away from the very high government officials. Even many of our Presidents are not privey to certain things no matter how hard they try to obtain it. (which just blows me away)

Albaby, PLEASE Keep safe and come HOME soon! I say the same thing to my son-in-law who is an MP in Iraq right now. He won't be coming home until after Thanksgiving this year.

@ Mckenna.. you just stay sweet and compassionate as you are- please don't worry so much. I am POSITIVE you will always have a place in heaven.

In the greater picture science is just the same; theories and speculation.

I love the string vest theory and Steven Hawkin’s latest theory is sound; the only true universe is the one without any black holes.

And I’m no creationist either.

Still a good topic

However, I think Gods_Soldier should specify more that these are your views, your interpretations.
You say that the bible mentions everything you claim here, but it doesn't. You have interpreted (SP?) the text in the bible to mean what you are saying here.
I'm not saying you are wrong or right, but you really should specify more often that this is your opinion.
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And another thing, directed at a post a few pages back:
Don't confuse Lucifer with Saten/the devil. IMO they are not the same.
Lucifer is, according to the bible, a Archangel who was cast down from heaven along with 1/3 of the angels (IIRC). That doesn't mean he's pure evil. (I'm not saying he's good and you should follow him )
Satan is, according to my interpretation of the bible, a force of nature. A force that causes all the evil we are experiencing around us, but "he" is not a living organism, nor is he a society or "secret organization". He is the very force behind it.

My opinions

To GS again:
you say you know the name of the Anti-Christ?
could you please PM me his/hers/its name? If not - why?

Do you even realize how many times i have said "These are my own personal views and findings"????

I will give a free cookie to someone who counts them up... (Joking)

You don't read my posts do you? goto Page 8 of this forum and look at my post, for the anti christs name

Lucifer is the devil, Satan is a meaning which means "adversary of God" and "tempter of mankind", thats why i call Lucifer Satan

@Albaby ... you have always been a great person and i am sure of it. Its great to see you do your own research and not just listen to me, i am sure alot of people are proud at what your doing.

Yes I do read them, tho I have probably missed some of them, since this thread grew with about 10 pages before I could blink
I know you say "These are my own personal views and findings" in some of the posts, but far from all. Many posts seem like you are writing the truth, the wholre truth and nothing but the truth



So you do agree that anti-christ is not a person? You think that "AC" is the Illuminati, NESARA or whatever it was, or something related?


I still don't get it. Satan = adversary = Lucifer?
I admit I'm not very educated in this, so can you give me a example or ten from the bible that clearly say that Lucifer = Satan? preferably from a good translation of the OT


Again: I'm not saying everything you have written is wrong, in fact most of it may be correct, just want to make it clear that they are your opinions, as I've noticed people taking it as the truth without even considering it

Please read my post... in page 8 because its clear you didn't look at it.



Look at what i said above

I know what you mean though, thats why i urge everyone to do their own research like albaby

I just visited the NESARA website. Wow! It all has kind of a "Jim Jones" kind of feel to it. It also kind of confused me a little bit. When GS first mentioned it (NESARA), it sounded kind of like a cult of some kind. Now it seems kind of like some Bill being run through Congress (with cult overtones). What I don't understand is, if this NESARA is going to have the kind of sweeping reforms and drastic political shifts in power, why hasn't this issue come up for a general election? Are you sure that this isn't some sort of political "spin" website? Did you see the picture of all the Justices? Some were marked with a "For Bush", while others weren't.

The website mentions that Germany and England have both already signed off on this. Is this true?

Apparently per this one strange video that I posted earlier about (there are 5 vids to this thing) About 4 minutes into this one particular video, part 5, it says:

"According to the Holy Bible the name "Apollo" is acutally an alternative word for the Devil." It also says "We can see this in the Bible as the word Apollyon. Apollyon appears as the name of Satan in the original text of the New Testiment Gospels"

You can find this strange video here: UFO Secret Space 5 of 5

I think I need to go back to bible school.. I've never heard of this or this being referred to the USA Apollo missions.

I know the video that you are refering to. I've watched all 5 parts. I have to say that I don't believe any of it. Also, what's up with all the creepy subliminal stuff the movie maker is using inbetween sections? I'd be willing to say that, if anyone should be accused of some evil deception, it's that movie maker himself.

Ok I admit you said "these are my views..." more than I thought, my mistake

I've read what you said on page 8 three times now, and still can't see where you named the anti-christ. Only the "tools" he, according to you, have made. Like the illuminati, the vatican (pope) and NESARA. The only name, besides Lucifer and Satan, is the Senanda dude.

The inverted cross was not originaly a satanic symbol, it has only been "adopted" as such in later years.

You didn't answer my question; where does it say that Lucifer = Satan? And I again ask for a good translation of the bible, preferably not the KJV
Perhaps even quote different scriptures if you can, not only the christian bible

Thanks, and keep up the good work, sorry if I may seem negative, it's not my intention (well, kinda - but still)

Why not????

lol thats exactly what i thought of when i went to that site


and i looked up this sananda guy and this mother *bleep* looks exactly like what they say jesus looked like







THAT IS WEIRD

is this guy alive today?

Because I don't trust the translation as being correct compared to teh original text, hehe.
But I'll be happy to read it if that's the only version you have access to. Tho it is always best to look at more sources than just one. So I will look up what you quote in the Torah

Note: I'm not a believer in any form of christianity, islam or any of the worlds biggest religions. However I find alot of it interesting.

Yeah, I looked this guy up on google and found a lot of websites pertaining to this man and his "so called" new age religion. GS was right about this guy. However, it still looks as though he's still playing in the "little league" so to speak. It looks as though he's still trying to build his regime. Maybe it's just me, but it doesn't seem as though his organization has enough strength at this time to launch any kind of major coupe (that's just my opinion). Given the right funding and backing, look out world!

I still haven't found any connection with this man and NESARA. Am I not looking in the right spot?

Were does it say Lucifer is satan?

Like i said Satan is a meaning of "adversary" so if we look at the old testament...

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer…thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. (Isaiah 14:9-16)"

and the new testament in revelations...

"And there was war in heaven…Satan was cast out" (Revelation 12:7-9)

I am sure the Bible was refering Satan to the Devil (Lucifer)

Click the Dove at NESARA's website and look at the very old news, at the end it would say something like "Love from our ascended masters Saint Sananda and Saint germain (I will talk about him later)

"We work under the direction of Sananda, St. Germain,"

I am too good

http://www.nesara.us/oct02/October_20__200...Unsubscribe.htm

Thanks

Now... what is the word for Hell in the original text? and how do we know that the Satan that is refered to in the NT is not one of Lucifers "angels"?
also, what is the original names of lucifer and satan in the texts you have quoted above?

Kinda rethorical questions, no need to answer

Just wondering

Edit: here's what I found in the Tanach (or whatever, I might have the name wrong)
Yeshayahu 14:


http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=15945

Yes I'm aware of "Gehinnom/Gehenna" being translated into what christians call "Hell", but you must see here what difference a translation can make, right? in KJV, Lucifer is cast down to hell, while here he is cast down to earth

hehe, found a NESARA trailer

http://www.waitingfornesara.com/

Notice the disc (controlled by "jesus"), the reptilian, the gray and the reptilian eye on the pyramid

almost want to believe you now GS, hehe

Wowza VERY nice find man

People should really open there eyes you know...

NESARA is very close to announcement as of know - questions is who will you believe - me or them?

I am going to find the quote were John says that satan is the "Prince of the earth" . Is this the answer you were looking for or did i mistake your question.

Keep researching man

OK, I definately see a connection now. I have read webpage after webpage of this stuff, and I can't believe that people are buying into this. It's so blatant, it's almost comical. It reminds me of a bad movie script. I keep running into reference after reference of the "Dove". Is this NESARA's symbol, or is it referring to an individual? It may sound funny, but I try not to study these webpages too indepth, for fear of being negatively influenced. Call me paranoid.

Why is there a Kentucky Fried Chicken on the left of the cartoon picture?

Well 20 million people have viewed there site, and people are easily buying to this especially Christians, the thing is though these "Christians" don't really read the Bible. People like i said will easily fall into with blind eyes.

I dont think its KFC lol, just a building

what is it with nesara and kfc lol in that video albaby posted they had kfc flags across the ceiling and on both sides of the sananda picture they had large pepsies from kfc


mabe sananda like chicken?


"How could a bizarre utopian prophecy, under the guise of a political movement, snowball into a worldwide armada of diehard believers? Waiting for NESARA chronicles one such group of the faithful masses awaiting the revelation of NESARA's many promises. "


thats a quote from the waiting for nesara.com site

they even say its political side is a guise

Just noticed the picture of Germain between the two pepsi cups

I truly feel sorry for this people,



Like i said, its a world movement.



Theres that B******.

Shikon 1 was right. Look in the video, there is a KFC banner that runs accross the wall in one scene. Also, those pepsi cups are from KFC. I'm thinking that KFC is one of the sponsors of this whole mess. Also, were those nudy (artsie fartsie type) pictures hanging behind those people in one scene, what's that all about? Where's all the young people? It seems as though all the people in the trailer are retired type people. Somethings not quite right.

I'm calling for a boycott of KFC!

- so where books that Jesus explained that men AND women are equal and should be treated equally...

Yes, men and women alike should be treated equally. The Traditional Bible DOES infact state this. But What it also states is a duty to men. Men, being the physically stronger sex, are charged to care for the physically weaker sex.




but of course the great Vatican took it out. ).

Arguable, depending on the context. The true Christian Bible has been copied EXACTLY by rebbinical priests for 4000 years. I dare you to tell a rabbinical priest otherwise.

But the catholic sect of chritianity, rules by the Pope, HAS made "modifications" to the holy book, adding text which has not been recognized by the Rabbi's, and removing some that it.

The catholic religion is how the mainstream media thinks Christianity functions. It is not. It is a distortion of Christianity created by the Romans, to make the transition to the state religion easier for the pagans.

What they don't get is the aliens are reaching out for there Ego... JUST as Hitler in germany was able to fool the German people by reaching out to there Ego "You are the master race" "You are the chosen one" "You will be the rulers of the world" blah blah blah, and yet the people love and truly believe this, The devils happy knowing he got humans on his side when the end of time comes to fool the world.

*applaudes*