Interesting topic - this website was mentioned around page 35 or 36:
www.nesarasucks.com

According to Wikipedia the site's author - Sherry Shriner - feels the U.S. Government (she calls them omegans), Israeli Zionists, the Kenite serpent seed (she calls them Edomite or Talmudic) Jews, Space aliens, hollow earth dwellers and the Roman Catholic Black Pope and his Jesuit henchmen are all in a nefarious satanic alliance. Shriner states that Maitreya of Buddhism and Benjamin Creme are one and the same, and, along with Saint Germain, are all false prophets. The Black Pope himself is said to be one Count Hans Van Kolvenbach. Shriner feels she has been called upon by the Most High God to battle Satan and prepare the people of the earth for the second coming of the messiah, and the Armageddon of Christian eschatology.

While I'm not sure if that makes her a subject-matter expert, she does agree with much of what G_S has said.

Also, nme#1 - for an aetheist, you sure are versed on Biblical quotes and Islamic history as well. Did you major in theology before or after becoming an aetheist? You're not a 'false prophet' are you?

I guess when you try to apply the laws God made for man on God Himself, you're bound to run into contradictions. If you were to believe in an Almighty God, I don't think you could expect him to be restricted to doing anything. I don't even think it's fair to analogize it to a parent saying "Do as I say, not as I do" to their child. As 'The Almighty' why would he feel he is beholden to anyone for anything he does? I believe itwould be difficult for any man writing a scripture based on the Word of God to fully understand what he was being told, let alone the motivation behind it.

If God exists, his motives are certainly unfathomable. No one knows why he grants free will, or why he cares about human souls, or why pain and suffering are necessary parts of life. God is omnipotent. Being omnipotent means you can do anything you want. The question we should consider is - What would motivate an omnipotent God? Why create the universe, earth, man in the first place? Are we a grand experiment of God's? Did he create us as amusement, just to see how we would react to certain situations? What if that situation was one in which our resultant actions determined whether or not we believed in the God that created us in the first place? He might be curious to see how we would react given that we were given free will.

Personally, when the day comes that the anti-christ and his band of aliens come along and say "Hey here's a good idea, we'll insert this microchip under your skin - it's for your own good," I'll look back at this forum and do some more research before deciding.

Like others have said before me, physical death is but an instant, eternal damnation is, well... eternal.

It's not for us to question God, and why he does what he does. For those of you who require proof of God existence, there's really nothing that can be said or done by any of us to prove his existence to you. When God decides it's time to come back, then you'll know what we know. I'm not sure if (at that time) it'll be too late for you guys. I sure hope it won't be too late.

The core of the Earth might be likened to its brain. It's field is connected to the iron-like rocks in the crust, and then connects to the particles in the magnetosphere. By analogy, it may be like a slow moving a neural causeway.

That is connected to similar fields from other planets. And, those are connected through the magnetic field carried outward by the solar wind. This interplanetary field has a boundary at the heliopause, the extent of our protective "solar astrosphere".

However, these interplanetary field lines may be connected to interstellar magnetic field lines, and those might reach to the core of the Galaxy. And so it may be for all the contents of the Milky Way. But, it may not stop there. The galactic motion carries us through space, and the 'prow of our ship' encounters intergalactic hydrogen.

There is no evidence of a magnetic connectivity at the less-than-one atom per cubic meter density between galaxies. However, there is a gravitational connection, and many argue for exotic dark matter, and possibly, dark energy, as well.

Nonetheless, there are gaps between matter and energy, especially in the relative vaccuum of space. Intermittant connection gives rise to the distinction of space, matter, and even time. So, the finite character that is part of the Universe, makes it possible.

Would what we call God, as we define it, exist without the Universe being what it is? The vaccuum, matter, etc? Our limited brains look at the amazing grand scale. But, it may be that what God is to us is the relation of the finite awareness we have to the overall hugh Universe.

And what is necessary is for that awareness to jump the proverbial gap that is beyond the core of our being, beyond the summit and the limit of our conceptions.


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From Earth, to the Solar System, to the Galaxy, and perhaps, beyond.

Have you read the Bible Leadbelly?

Heh Sherry i remember her - she had some great Bible codes... But sadly i can't help trust her - theres some things i can easily expose about her in the Bible codes - but hey you never know.

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say? Are you saying that if the world that we perceive around us, wasn't as complicated, then we wouldn't believe in God?

With all the talk of bible codes from a lot of different people, how does one really know if such codes are real, or just implanted upon us? This is not in spite of what you G_S, but her "warnings" can be like yours to everyone else as well. Anyone can translate hidden meanings, or codes, from any book, not just the bible. Maybe it is people who try to talk of these codes to deceive us. If NESARA was actually true and going to happen then the ones who have read the bible should not fall to such accusations. It’s been well known that the Anti-Christ would return before the Christ. Any Christian should know this. Sherry Shriner seems to be a false prophet of her own, to me at least, or just some lunatic trying to cash in on an extraordinary conspiracy involving the bible and aliens. Anyone can claim to be a messenger, and be able to translate for God, and decipher hidden bible codes, but who’s to say what they think they are doing in the name of God, could just be another way of Satan’s deceit?

The whole tie in with aliens being fallen angels, it could be possible. I just have a hard time believing that Earth was the only planet in a never ending universe to have life. It’s well known that the government has been corrupt from the moment it was started, as far as time goes. It’s all been based on who was the one in power, which would make them god like. Any form of false god’s has nothing but lies, suffering, and deceit. Any real reader of the bible should know of what is to come, and should be wise enough to understand that this was laid before them through “the word of God”. Unless the bible has been rewrote to also deceive, then who and what do we really believe? Because man wrote the bible claiming it to be the word of God, but what if it was not God at all? Satan could have easily manipulated them into believing it was God's word, but yet it was his own.

could Ashtar Sheran be Lucifer. And if anybody has heard of the elohimes you don't think that they could be god. do you.

I heard that the 3 antichrist name will be Mabus

My simple lessons....

I was "sort of" brought up with the basic rules of what's right and wrong- you know, the "Golden Rule" and other simple rules to live by.

As a child I went to a Luthren Church UP UNTIL we came home crying to mom and dad saying that the preacher told us that if we listened to Rock and Roll music we were going to go to hell! Needless to say, we were not allowed to attend that church anymore.

Funny thing is, the preacher that said this to us that one sunny Sunday morning, his OWN SON tried to "have his way" with us 3 very young girls (my sisters and I ) in a nearby neighbors barn! LOL *jerk!*

Anyway, my mother always told me:

"Stay away from Sailors, Salesmen, and the Preachers' son!" She also told me to "refrain" from talking to others (especially in groups or at the office) about religion, race, and politics.

Over the years, I've seen where she WAS right. (Mom's seem to know what's best! LOL )

Another big thing I've learned and it's stuck with my family and I, is to NEVER take your own life no matter how bad things are. (that's a BIG NO-NO) That it could be your fastest ticket to hell. So although there have been times in my life that I've come close.. I just won't take that chance.

Now on this other thing I believe in.. I just KNOW in my heart and soul, that there is what some call "the other side" and a BIG thanks to my dear loving grandfather telling me of what he saw before passed away on his death bed. (he died in 1995 and I remember to this day what he told me)
Because of what he told me, I want to be right there with my family and friends that have passed on to the "other side" one day.

Other things I've learned and will never forget - "That no matter what happens, never take the Mark of the beast even if you are facing death."

Now these are just the simple rules to my simple life.

but be very careful...you are very very close to the Mark.

omg really...explain please

No ! it is offensive to explain, just do your own salvation.

well excuse me!!
mmmhmm *snaps fingers four times*

Albaby-

Not exactly. What I was trying to say was that for someone like myself, who is not particularly religious, there is no seeming connection between what I may know, or what I may be, and God. Yet, in a subtle way, this may be a reasonable set of conditions.

Anyone who wonders about God, the possible meaning of life, and what if anything it may have as its purpose, will encouter a disconnect between their awareness and the greater Universe.

I tried to use the most direct and the most parallel means of connecting our existance to the greater scheme of things. In doing that, I had to bridge the gap at every level. This is making a reference to how things are, and by extension, how things may be between our lives, our awareness, our consciousness and the consciousness of God. They may be one and the same, ultimately, but for now there is an obvious set of limits on what we may know.

Like the way the planet and the solar system have protective bubbles that buffer us
from collisions with cosmic rays, of such high energies. Maybe our limited awareness of
God reflects the same principles- a direct encounter would overwhelm our sensibilities.
So, people have no clear-cut cognitive experience of higher being.

But, perhaps if we choose to wonder about it, that is part of the meaning of life. For some, the answer is technical, and devoid of philosophy. For others, life is a process that may serve a broader purpose. A purpose which inludes the teachings they hold instrumental in that quest.

In some respects, it is all a paradox. We live in a highly inhospitable universe, with only the barest knowledge of things, and yet, life for us may be infinitely more than we could know.

But, what I was trying to convey is that there may be a reason, a purpose to why there is a disconnect between us and God. It is natural, it is protective, and this is reflected in the very construct of space and time. As there are apparent intermittant gaps, so it is in our awareness of what may be the center of all being. For those who want to know, there are pathways and instructions as to how to be 'one with god'.

The most simple way has been put forth by Christianity. And, I agree with the precepts.
But, I also relate more easily to something like cosmologly or astronomy. For instance,
much is required to create a singularity- a collapsing super-massive star. And, here we are, small and transitory in the middle of a hugh stage. If this has a purpose, ultimately,
much has gone into giving us a finite awareness, against the backdrop of billions of widlely dispersed galaxies.

What a stage, and what a play. But, whose in the audience?!


And to G_S, no I have not read the Bible.

am i close to the mark.

Just because I want to remain neutral, and not pick sides, and don't want to fight.

Only because I want to be fair to both sides. because it wouldn't be fair if i were to pick one side over the other.

and because i don't want to hurt the people on the sides. because they are my brothers and sisters in this great big family of creationism. And I love them all so much unconditionally and forgive them all for any wrong doings that they have commited. Is that why i'll get the mark. just because i wanna be fair, and because the people fighting on both of the sides are my brothers and sisters and the last thing i would ever want to do is to hurt them. because i love them unconditionally and i forgive them for any sins they have commited. is that why i'll get the mark of the beast. just for being a good person to both sides no matter what. i hope not. doesn't seem fair. but i don't know if the devil and his followers care about me . even though i hope they do. i hope that deep down inside of them all that there is at least some good in them. after all, they did used to be angels. and just because they don't care about me doesn't mean i don't care about them. cause i do. because i love them all unconditionally no matter what. and i forgive them all for their sins no matter what.

That's quite an interesting outlook. What is it that you do for a living (if you don't mind me asking)?

I feel that, if we ever did find out what the real answers are, we probably wouldn't understand it. However, I'm convinced there are aspects that we would be able to grasp. Those aspects could fundamentally change our whole perception of reality.

McKenna, if our God truly loves us, which I know he does; your feelings in your heart will be taken into consideration. There will be a lot of lies spoken. Many of them will be impossible to discern from the truth. I feel that, when all is said and done, only the truly evil will truly perish (forever).

why does it always have to be that way why does it always have to be about death. why can't it be about life. what's wrong with god and killing the evil doers doesnt he forgive them for their sins. doesn't he love them unconditionally. aren't they his children as well. why can't he give them a choice i mean it says in the bible that he was willing to give everybody a choice then well why can't it be the same way after the fight is over. why can't he give them a choice between death or life but changing over to his side if they wanna live. i'm sorry it's just god killing right away after the war doesnt seem right. sense like he said himself he is a god of choice. a god that lets his children choose. well aren't the people on the darkside his children as well. so before god starts killing people. don't u think he should give them a choice first. i mean its only fair.

and don't get me wrong by saying this. i'm not trying to pick sides. i'm only trying to be fair. that's all.

See? ... isn't that just BS?? If we ask, as you just did, we should be "guided" NOT scorned or turned away. That is just so wrong- but hey, I can't judge, lest I be judged myself! *sigh*

But that is where you should just hold to your heart and soul and be your best. Just have true faith!

Sometimes, in your lifetime, someone says or does something very meaningful that you will remember for a lifetime- you may never hear or see from them again, but you remember.. There is a reason that this happens.. have faith, and be with peace.

You have excellent concept Leadbelly.

I don't know, McKenna. When I first started learning about God and Christianity, I had a lot of the same questions. Sinse then, I've seen some truly evil things happen on this earth. I know that our world won't be able to survive very much longer at the rate it's going. I've been to some of the "hot spots" on this planet. I can tell you that there's much more going on than the media tells us (I don't mean government conspiracies either). It's time for our God to finally come and put an end to this, once and for all. Man alone, has already proven that he can't stop evil. Besides, forgiveness isn't for man to decide.

Indeed, and in many forms. Souljah's to be more precise...lol. Soul of God. I'm not a christian, but believe in a higher being which I refer to as God. I don't push my beliefs on anybody and really get upset when people come up to me with the question "Have you found Jesus?" and I simply respond that I didn't know he was lost in the first place or that I didn't realize I was supposed to be looking for him. They usually don't like that and start cussing, but then again I thought they were taught to love thy neighbor, but I guess it only applies if the neighbor is a fellow christian and everyone else is subject to being disrespected and cursed at. Oh well, I'm ranting now so I'll shut up

Nice. Never really thought about that. I mean they even refer to themselves (christians) as sheep. Is this so that they can be led to a slaughter? Organized religion to me personally (not putting down any religions since I read a lot about different world religions) leads people down a blind path...you know what I mean? It's their way or the highway and that highway leads to hell or whatever "bad" place you are taught you'll end up if you do not serve your god accordingly.

Could be used to "desensitize" the masses. Just a thought.

When you take that mark - you SOLD your self to Lucifer, there is no more hope for you - because you won't have control over your body anymore - the devil will make you curse Gods name and will make you blame him for all the wars and problems of Earth, and you won't even realize what your doing. But trust me God loves everyone and he hates to send them to hell but hey, a murderer who kills someone - think about what the guy did - he DESTROYED a life, a work of God. It is only fair that his life must be taken away - by God, and no one else.

Fair enough... but how about a terrorist who blasted hundreds to death ?
is it worth paying for only one life of him ?
Ermm...Mr Bush is in trouble.

Kind of like Neo waking up in the "real world" for the first time huh? Wipe the crust from your eyes and hang on, because hopefully we'll see how far down the rabbit hole really goes

::hint:: look into who created the electric voting machine. Besides it didn't really matter who won Bush or Kerry they are both part of the same system. Also check out Alex Jones, a fellow Texan from Austin...I know some of the stuff he talks about might be way out there, but at least he has news articles to back up his claims.

Just because I'm an atheist doesn't mean I'm ignorant of theology - infact, as with most atheists it is the exact opposite. I'm intrigued with all mythology. It would be hypocritical to dismiss any theology without researching it first.



I think you'll find that a number of the bible verses I provided earlier show that the Judeo-Christian god is not omnipotent due to the fact that the god they describe has limits; clearly not omnipotent.



Actually I think you jumping ahead of yourself - we have yet to establish the existence of any god/s.

I read on one of their sites that KFC is where they hold meetings. So it might be true that KFC is sponsoring them since their name does get mentioned a lot.

Can someone summarize the replies for the benefit of new readers.

For me the original Bible is still in the hands of the GODS. If anyone will ask if there is only 1 God, I'll say to them that is not true. There are many Gods. An entity just like him.

It is lonesome to be the only one.

lol...yeah...sorry, I was at work and bored so I started reading the thread and didn't even bother to see how long it was

This thread is getting way too big, erh and ToySouljah nice find on the KFC thing

GS:

I have some questions for you.

1. Is the bible about the real christ or sanannda?

2. Did the real Christ and the Sandanna both die on the cross at the same time?

I have a theory maybe the fallen angels brainwashed the romans into think that there christ was the real christ. even though he was not. And it worked. so come the anti-christs exacution the people thought that that was their christ. when really it was the anti-christ. My theory is that that time was the only time the anti-christ was used. all the other times it was the real christ. my theory about what happened to the real christ is that the fallen angels brainwashed the romans into giving them the real christ. and it worked. and then the fallen angels took the real christ to a secret and private place before his suppossedly exacution was to take place. And mudered him right there and probably burned the body and then barried the evidence of the murder.

Fallen Angels brainwashing Romans ,Jesus an anti-christ they must have manipulated you Mckeena.The Romans were interested mostly in divide and rule Ceaser said "I came I saw I conquered.When Jesus was crucified there were lightnings ,thunder and earthquakes and Pontius Pilates temple was destroyed for selling out Christ.The Romans even said Jesus is truly the son of God thats why when the diciple Peter went to Rome Jesus said that Peter would create a church in his name and that the light of Heaven will always shine their the Vatican.Jesus had famly it was Joseph who supplied his own tomb for the buryiel he even had the chalice which he used and took it with him to Glastonbury Myths&Legends

1)Its about the REAL Jesus christ (Sananda claims it was him - thats a lie)

2)Sananda never died on the cross, he never was crucified - i don't know were you got the idea that Sananda was even close to a relation with Jesus Christ. Sananda is just a "wannabe" to fool Gods people!

ok. when did sananda come into the picture. cause i thought he came into the picture at the time jesus was alive. and how can people think he's the real christ when the bible is not about him. i don't understand. please explain. cuz i'm clueless.

Mckenna,

Have you ever watched that old flick called "Stigmata" with Patricia Arquette ?

Watching the ending "messages" to this video REALLY makes one wonder... I've always wondered if the "TRUE" meaning has been hidden from our eyes.

Just like the Bible.. it was written by MAN for MAN to live by.

It's not easy to find what the real truth is.

We are born alone, we live alone (in a way) , and we die alone.

A great quote my cousin told me about long ago:

"Your life is God's gift to you; What you do with your life is your gift to God."

will i get the mark if i remain neutral and not pick sides or fight. i hope not. but i'm not so sure. can you give me your opinion on the matter. thank you.

mckenna what mark? you act as if this is really all going to happen?

sorry. sometimes i get to carried away. the mark of the beast. beast as in the devil.

I hope I'm not going crazy.

I think you are

Where can this "book of enoch" be found? i would like to read it.

ya ok

I guess any major book store?, best place is Amazon

McKenna, nobody really knows what this "mark of the beast" is going to be. So getting yourself worked up is not good. Just follow your heart and and do what you know deep down is right. If you have faith in your religion I'm sure the big guy upstairs will make sure you are ok whether you live or die. Remember dying is not a bad thing. You may cease to exist on Earth, but remember you have a Kingdom waiting for you afterwards. This really applies to every religion...good people get rewarded and bad people get burned or tortured etc.

I am not sure "when" he came into the picture but all i know is that he is very important for the fact that Lucifer used him as an idol tool, to fool the world into thinking he is what Jesus looks like. And people think he is the real christ because like i said before - the devils smart.

Oh, so you're saying that he isn't alive now? I thought that you were saying that this Jesus look alike was walking the Earth now and that people were starting to follow him. lol...I only got to page 24 then jumped to the end so as not to make any more post that were really old

Wow how did my words mean "He isn't alive now" heh, just to clear things up, he is alive