well i don't think i'm going crazy. i probably just have an over active imagination. but i don't think i'm going crazy.

well what I feel in my heart is the right thing is to remain neutral,sideless,and not at all willing to fight. I believe fighting and having wars doesn't solve anything. All it does is just kills and hurts a lot of people. And there's proof to from all the wars countries have been in in the past.

Okay, that's what I thought, but I saw a post asking if he was crucified with Jesus, then someone thinking that he was a twin of Jesus (which I know couldn't be true since like you said Jesus was Gods only son). So I just got a little confused and thought maybe I had missed something. Now when you say he is alive you mean a physical form and not a spiritual one right?

is lucifer the devil. or is he who we think of as ashtar sheran from the ashtar command. If the ashtar dude exists. Well my guess is maybe the year 1954. But I could be wrong. maybe it was a different year. i don't know. how could lucifer do that. is he like an a genious or something. i don't understand. how smart is the devil by any chance.

who. the devil. by the way how do you know this kinda stuff. bsides your research. there's gotta be something more. are you a psychic or someing. just curious. no ofense. and please be nice to me.

lol i was just joking.

but say this all happens the way you say...will satan kill all who know this? i.e the ones who have read this ??

god should just come down and woop some devil asses, in a form the lesses people of our socity can understand "now look here satan, dnt u b tripping on mah side of da court, dnt make me send my size 9's up yo asss, player please"

if god is so all mighty cant he just destroy satan , i mean he is just an angle, what makes him so powerfull over the others ?

Here is a link to a little info on Lucifer.

And a link for Satan.

So as to how smart the Devil is. I'd say pretty smart considering he was second only to God himself.

So maybe the connection between aliens and devils is a good one since they are both supposed to be of higher intelligence than humans. I think we are just being trained to be good servants to the devil. Kind of like the way we train dogs to obey us. We are being blinded to the truth and subjected to things that would normally be horrifying to us is just the norm. I mean take a look at the news for instance. Rape, murder, war, kidnapping...the list goes on and on. So when the devil does show up in the flesh things will pretty much be "normal" since we've been conditioned to believe these things are everyday occurances. Know what I mean? Just a thought...lol...trying to get back on topic with the aliens part

Negative! The 'Mark of the Beast' is already a marketable commodity. Its called a RFID chip or Verichip. The National Animal Identification System (NAIS) is set up to put RFID tags in all livestock. This means total surveillance of all livestock. It is mandatory by January 2008! This means if you have one chicken, one horse, one cow, one sheep, one goat, one llama, one alpaca, one turkey, or one duck, etc - you must register, the premises and the animals. Who do you think is going to be next? You and I!

The chip is the size of a grain of rice. It will be planted under the skin in one of two places. The chip can be planted on an individual's forehead or right hand. This device will primarily be used to track movement amongs other things (i.e. buying food, medical care, etc.).

Those that accept this chip will receive the WRATH OF GOD!

Link to full article

Most commonly, the phrase Book of Enoch refers to 1 Enoch, which survives completely only in Ethiopic language as far as we know. There are also 2 other books called Enoch, 2 Enoch (surviving only in Old Slavonic, c. 1st century; Eng. trans. by R. H. Charles (1896) [1][2]) and 3 Enoch (surviving in Hebrew, c. 5th-6th century[3].) The numbering of these texts has been applied by scholars to distinguish the texts from one another. The remainder of this article deals with 1 Enoch only.

GS, do you know of a book with all 3 texts being translated into English yet? This one says only 1 has been translated.

Also found on that same page is a list of Fallen Angels. lol....thought that was a cool little list. So when we make contact we'll know what to call them.

I'm really interested in getting my hands on the Book(s) of Enoch. If I find them online in like text or PDF I'll post a link or host it somewhere.

Actually, the technology has been around for a while. That family in Florida (can't remember their name) was the first to have the chip implanted. Sorry for not being clear about what I meant by not knowing what it will look like. You see the devil is an extremely intelligent fellow. So do you think he would make his "mark" that obvious? you never know...maybe everyone will refuse to be implanted simply for privacy reasons and so instead you just register for something or fill out a form...you never know. If you have a Social Security number...that could be the "mark" or any ID number...like your drivers license...see where I'm getting? Infact, there was a push to have RFID tags put into your drivers licenses. They of course don't want to tell you so if you are right, then you'd take the mark and not need a surgery for it. This could also be "placed in your right hand". Could be a play on words since a majority of people are right handed...which hand would you hold out your license or credit card with? Just a thought.

Forgot...do a google on "National ID card"

ToySouljah:

Yea, the National ID Card makes perfect sense. In fact, I am surprised its not already prevalent, but the RFID chip!?

Pardon my language, but I am not puttin sh** on my forehead, hand or any other area of my body.

The mark of the beast would have to be a global thing, not just something for Americans. I'm sure Satan is just as interested in the rest of the globe. Is there something in the works that is global?

That is why I do not believe it will be implanted. It will have to be sneaky like placing the chip in a card...no harm no foul right? Think again, you see people will be "marked" right under their noses and not even realize it. Without the National ID or REAL ID you will not be able to travel very far. The chip can also hold medical, dental, financial, and any other personal data you can imagine. So it very well may do away with the need for credit cards, debit cards, insurance cards, and yes even cash. So without one you will be an outsider and not be able to do anything...unless you accept the card/mark. Also, it will not be an overnight thing...that would raise too many flags so it will be slowly fased in over a few years....ummm....maybe 3.5?

All this for the sake of National Security...we are being treated like cattle and many people all over the world are letting it happen because they are too blinded to see what is really going on.

BTW...I'm not saying that the National ID is the mark of the beast, but I'm making a point that it can come from anywhere...so do not think the mark will have to be like..."Okay...we're going to have to inject this chip under your skin....either you take it or we kill you". See my point?

ToySouljah:

I PROMISE you that the "Mark of the Beast" will not be an identification card. It specifically states in Revelations 20:4 the following:



Like I pointed out, the "mark of the beast" will not be a visa/mastercard!

Your right science, its definatley a mark ON the fore head or right hand.

Nah i was talking about Sananda, by the way Lucifer is the Devil (Satan, and the rare name used by John in the bible "Prince of the World").

Heh, i am not a psychic. Hate those guys .

"And ye shall be hated by all men for My name's sake; but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" Lets just say that Lucifer really hates me

ToySouljah:

Here is probably the more appropriate Bible passage that's applicable to our conversation:

Revelations 13:16-18



Essentially, the mark implanted in man is nothing more than a barcode. It is said that each barcode regardless of the item or product has the # 666 contained within it. Fascinating I know! I have seen a couple of examples but it doesn't make much sense to me yet!

I just think that the devil is smarter than that and anyway the bible is known for mistranslations...such as Jesus walking on water. I'm not personally a christian...like I told McKeena...I just do what I know is right in my heart. But I do look and read about all the mythology found in world religions. Christianity is just the most popular so I read into it, but do not take the bible literally...more of a guideline to which you should live you life by...filled with good morals really. If there really is going be something along the lines of what goes on in the bible then I'd like to give the being second to God a little more credit than being that blunt. He is supposed to be a very sly fellow. But all this is my opinion.

The National ID or REAL ID is not just in the Americas...it is worldwide. The name may change, but the purpose is the same.

If you want to know more...please PM me and I'll get back to you since I don't want to go WAY off topic...lol.

ToySouljah:

Contrary to what you have been told, the Bible has denotative meaning. Mistranslations, misunderstanding, misrepresentations stem from those (false prophets; uneducated theologists) that attempt to translate its meaning to fit the people they serve. Everything in the Bible has, and will, come to pass!

Are you saying the Bible is not perfect?

The bible is not proof of anything. So many people look for answers in a book that reflected the times and tribulations of the past. You can not and SHOULD not apply what that book says to what happens in the present as it will be mistranslated and passed onto gullible and foolish people who believe in something that has not been proven fact.

ABOLOISH ALL RELIGION AND PEACE WILL BE UPON THE EARTH.

Prove it.



I guess that means you never read the bible, because there were many predictions for the future, "the end of times".



It has not been proven fiction.



, I am sure your relating to current world events.

Sorry you feel that way buddy! It works for me!

I second that!

Hey, I bet you get a little tired of having to repeat yourself. I must say that you handle yourself well. I admire that. Thank You for starting this post and putting all the time into it, that you have. Believe it or not, this is a form of ministry. I feel that I've learned from you.

Just thought I'd let you know.

I agree with you albaby. This is a great topic, and has grown very quickly might I add. Good job GS, I know you and I may not agree on a few things, but hey like I said in a previous post. I could be wrong and you could be right or it might be the other way around or we may both be way off. I do respect your opinion though and hopefully you respect mine as well. I may not live my life scrictly by what the bible says, but thast doesn't make me a bad person does it? I don't think so personally. But again to everyone here on the forum thank you for not turning this topic into a giant flame war. It's good to discuss things like this and approach it with an open mind and not try to persuade people into thinking that everything you say to be the last word.

Hey thanks man! i ve learned from everyone here aswell. But i have to urge everyone again that people should not listen to me and look at me as if i am some kind of prophet - i would hate to be that.

I know i am not saying:

"And then if any man shall say to you, `Lo, here is Christ!' or, `Lo, He is there!' believe him not"

I am trying to reveal all these false Jesus "wanna be's" But...

But i hate to be as Jesus explained:

"false christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect."

Heck, if i respect Stellar - i definitely respect you

Just joking i respect all views, but i will give my opinons openly

I understand what you mean. Just for the record: I didn't say you were a prophet, I just said you were ministering, that's all. As far as I know, we are allowed to minister to each other. Some people have a hard time distinguishing the two. I don't mean you're having a hard time, just others.

lol...as you should (give your opinions openly I mean). BTW...I was looking up Assyrian people and all I can say is wow...that is a deep history you all got I enjoy learning about different peoples and cultures, religions, etc...kind of a hobby of mine.

Editted to ask a question:

Forgot to ask if you knew Aramaic...ancient or new

Thanks man, its sad that most of us were wiped out though

Sorry to hear that, I just started reading on it. lol...I'm also at work so it's kind of hard to really pay attention to what I'm reading so I'm grabbing bits and pieces, but I have the next 3 days off so I can learn a lot more in that time. I'm a mix breed myself...lol. I have Spanish and German blood myself, but I'll stop since this is going off topic yet again....lol...can't help it.

Anyone researched on the "peace sign" yet?

What is the correct name for that symbol? I looked up peace sign and got a bunch of garbage links.

I have no idea

I've heard and read a few things about it. Like Nixons Victory sign. Also something having to do with horns, but when I get out of work I'll try to find a little more info on it. another 3 hours...lol.

Is this what you are referring to?

http://www.nisbett.com/symbols/peace_sign.htm

I think I found it.

Nope the one "hippies" use.

Did you even look at the link? The Neronic Cross is listed. That's the symbol that the Hippies used. Take a look further down the page.

Woah sorry man, i thought that was the full page - great find man! sorry again...

Are you refering to the Roman Catholic sign of the cross ?

What?

You know what i'm talking about, you're a catholic before.
You place your finger on your forehead (In the name of the Father)
then on your chest (and of the Son)
then on your left shoulder and right shoulder (and of the Holy Spirit)
Amen.

Why did you quote "Your right science, its definatley a mark ON the fore head or right hand."

Thanks for pointing out Nerodic Cross (peace sign) thing out. I never would have noticed it. I've been browsing through various websights hosted by various (not all) leftwing organizations who utilize this symbol. Did you know that many of them are well aware of the symbols meaning? I had no idea that they would be so open and honest about hating Christianity. That's unbelieveable! It just goes to show you, there's evil on the other side of the political spectrum, as well.

This is wrong on so many levels....I don't even know exactly where to begin. Have you even actually read the book of Enoch ?. Do you know what Satanism is ?, or the Anton's Church of Satan ?, which does not even worship Satan himself, in fact, they just use him as a mascot.

First of all, Lucifer does not exist when it comes to the bible. Lucifer only had one entry into the bible which was translated wrong . The passage reads

"14:4 And you shall bear this parable against the king of Babylon, and you shall say, "How has the dominator ceased, has ceased the haughty one!
14:10 All of them shall speak up and say to you, 'Have you too become weak like us? Have you become like us?'
14:11 Your pride has been lowered into Gehinnom, the stirring of your psalteries. Maggots are spread under you, and worms cover you.
14:12 How have you fallen from heaven, Lucifer, the morning star? You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations. "

It clearly dictates Isaiah speaking about the Babylonian Kings Pride on the throne, nothing of a fallen angel. Of course, then throughout history, the church speaks more of Lucifer and twists the text even more, but I'd rather not get into it. However, if you want to speak about Lucifer on a Demonology base point, that differs as well.



Where on earth did this come from ?. When were angels concerned about the life and death of mankind, that is no secret to the angels. It was the angel Raziel, who WROTE the book on life, and gave it to Adam and Eve, so that they could find the true way back into God's heart, and back into heaven. You can look into Sefer Raziel, that will teach you a bit regarding it.

Even in your first point in this topic, you say the church is corrupted by Satan, because Pope John Paul II ( bless his soul ) is standing behind an inverted cross ?. The cross of St.Peter ?, the founder of the church and Christianity ?. It's the world around us that destroys these symbols. The inverted cross very much represents holy symbolism from one of our founding fathers. However, I will leave you to your beliefs, but I will check in on this thread when I can to help enlighten people about certain things.

I would hope everyone would read the bible, or the apocrypha readings such as Enoch, and not to believe in God, or for conversion, just so when people talk about such things, they don't spoon feed you false information.

The Bible is actually a guide for humans on how to conduct themselves of their life on earth. It is a set of rules for humans to follow and understand and earn the person rightful place in heaven or afterlife.

You can re-construct the original Bible and be enlightened by reverse engineering the content of the differing guide books (religious book/koran/bible/torah/Buddha & etc).

Exploiting the differences of this guide books can tame and incite societies.

Very well put. I believe the same exact thing. No one religion is "right" they are all basically books of morals to live by. If you are good person then when you pass on it will be a pleasant experience.

I hope I don't have to put one in my dog and cat. I know by fact I really really really will not like that at all. ANIMAL ABUSE.......WHAT AN EVIL THING