Sorry i missed those questions, replying time!

How does islam fit into my beliefs? I can't and will not comment on this as i know it will offend loads of people (No it's not becuase i don't like them - i have islamic friends, and some fammily members - cousins etc)

Are you sure King James Version edited to his liking or are you mixing stories with King Henry? (Sorry i am just making sure) Reason why i believe in the King James Version is because like i said it keeps its authority here is an example:

KJV version:
LUKE 2:33:

"And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him"

NIV Version:

"The Child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him"

See what i mean? (If you still didn't catch it, NIV replaces Joseph with Child's father not mentioning his name - why?)

Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God.

Actually, the technology has been around for a while. That family in Florida (can't remember their name) was the first to have the chip implanted. Sorry for not being clear about what I meant by not knowing what it will look like. You see the devil is an extremely intelligent fellow. So do you think he would make his "mark" that obvious? you never know...maybe everyone will refuse to be implanted simply for privacy reasons and so instead you just register for something or fill out a form...you never know. If you have a Social Security number...that could be the "mark" or any ID number...like your drivers license...see where I'm getting? Infact, there was a push to have RFID tags put into your drivers licenses. They of course don't want to tell you so if you are right, then you'd take the mark and not need a surgery for it. This could also be "placed in your right hand". Could be a play on words since a majority of people are right handed...which hand would you hold out your license or credit card with? Just a thought.

Forgot...do a google on "National ID card"

ToySouljah:

Yea, the National ID Card makes perfect sense. In fact, I am surprised its not already prevalent, but the RFID chip!?

Pardon my language, but I am not puttin sh** on my forehead, hand or any other area of my body.

Hey, I bet you get a little tired of having to repeat yourself. I must say that you handle yourself well. I admire that. Thank You for starting this post and putting all the time into it, that you have. Believe it or not, this is a form of ministry. I feel that I've learned from you.

Just thought I'd let you know.

I may not live my life scrictly by what the bible says, but thast doesn't make me a bad person does it? I don't think so personally.

The Bible is actually a guide for humans on how to conduct themselves of their life on earth. It is a set of rules for humans to follow and understand and earn the person rightful place in heaven or afterlife.

You can re-construct the original Bible and be enlightened by reverse engineering the content of the differing guide books (religious book/koran/bible/torah/Buddha & etc).

Exploiting the differences of this guide books can tame and incite societies.

I understand what you mean. Just for the record: I didn't say you were a prophet, I just said you were ministering, that's all. As far as I know, we are allowed to minister to each other. Some people have a hard time distinguishing the two. I don't mean you're having a hard time, just others.

Nope the one "hippies" use.

Okay have you read the Bible?, take that mark - you have assigned yourself to the devil - you won't feel it but when God comes you won't think about asking for forgiveness - you will curse him, something is inside that chip that is very unholy. Please read Revelations to understand.

This is wrong on so many levels....I don't even know exactly where to begin. Have you even actually read the book of Enoch ?. Do you know what Satanism is ?, or the Anton's Church of Satan ?, which does not even worship Satan himself, in fact, they just use him as a mascot.

First of all, Lucifer does not exist when it comes to the bible. Lucifer only had one entry into the bible which was translated wrong . The passage reads

"14:4 And you shall bear this parable against the king of Babylon, and you shall say, "How has the dominator ceased, has ceased the haughty one!
14:10 All of them shall speak up and say to you, 'Have you too become weak like us? Have you become like us?'
14:11 Your pride has been lowered into Gehinnom, the stirring of your psalteries. Maggots are spread under you, and worms cover you.
14:12 How have you fallen from heaven, Lucifer, the morning star? You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations. "

It clearly dictates Isaiah speaking about the Babylonian Kings Pride on the throne, nothing of a fallen angel. Of course, then throughout history, the church speaks more of Lucifer and twists the text even more, but I'd rather not get into it. However, if you want to speak about Lucifer on a Demonology base point, that differs as well.

Where on earth did this come from ?. When were angels concerned about the life and death of mankind, that is no secret to the angels. It was the angel Raziel, who WROTE the book on life, and gave it to Adam and Eve, so that they could find the true way back into God's heart, and back into heaven. You can look into Sefer Raziel, that will teach you a bit regarding it.

Even in your first point in this topic, you say the church is corrupted by Satan, because Pope John Paul II ( bless his soul ) is standing behind an inverted cross ?. The cross of St.Peter ?, the founder of the church and Christianity ?. It's the world around us that destroys these symbols. The inverted cross very much represents holy symbolism from one of our founding fathers. However, I will leave you to your beliefs, but I will check in on this thread when I can to help enlighten people about certain things.

I would hope everyone would read the bible, or the apocrypha readings such as Enoch, and not to believe in God, or for conversion, just so when people talk about such things, they don't spoon feed you false information.

this has a subjective attatchment... jesus christ was not of virgin birth... those sneaky bastards

Lucifer is the Devil (Satan, and the rare name used by John in the bible "Prince of the World").

Part 7 – I guess

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I have be reading on this about 2 days now because i came it late ,but i found a Video
one about 9-11

GS:

I've been thinking and it has came to my realization that why would the fallen angels feel they would need to breed with women in order to rule over earth.

Well, he's coming back to finally put Satan in his place and reclaim Earth for the Father. It's pretty much a one sided battle. Almost all the earth's forces (under control of the anti-christ) vs. Jesus. The angelic army and resurrected believer that come with him don't have to do anything actually. Jesus will slay them all with his holy sword, the word. The valley will be filled with the blood of the dead.

Part 7 – I guess

Videos/Articles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgB5IsaxSNM

“It has a lot of various pics and meanings in this video, but I ALSO saw that same pic and another one with the upside down cross pictured with the Pope on this video..” – Cinders.

http://english.pravda.ru/society/anomal/29.../9151-boriska-0

"Boriska, predicts mammoth catastrophes in 2009. Boriska apparently is an Indigo Child.” – Cinders.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=28...UFOs&pr=goog-sl

”I understand some points on SOME things that he relates to in this video, but it is quite clear that HE HAS NEVER witnessed a UFO or has never been abducted. I'd like to kick the guy in the wazoo myself but he has the right to his opinions.” – Cinders.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1...UFOs&pr=goog-sl

“This one is just over an HOUR long and it talks on various things including the parallels between Demons and Aliens, abductions and possessions.. etc.” – Guess who? Cinders!

http://www.godsprophecy.pwp.blueyonder.co....e%20Rapture.htm

“The rapture is about the 2nd coming a tribulation for good over evil when the son of man would be adjourned and proclaimed in Heaven prayers will go out to all the Earth for we are in troubled times.” – Lion of Judah.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=46...UFOs&pr=goog-sl

“This video is 2 hours long and a bit "dry", but this guy speaks about many interesting things. Looks like this video was uploaded March 10, 2006 but was done in 2003” – Cinders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpzZt5fXrXg...le%20antichrist

I saw this video this morning,after making the post about Portuguese Discovers and this explains how the masonic or the illuminati people reached to europe and the directions they went. – Endymion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMn0V6-c0Gk

“awsome video()” – Endymion

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662

“Some info about the "Operation Northwoods"” – Cinder.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

PDF document about “Operation Nothwoods” thanks to Cinders!.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=26...UFOs&pr=goog-sl

Bunch of UFO videos and some crop circles. Thanks to Cinders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SrxgDZM4cI&search=illuminati

Illuminati and the “Skull and bones” thanks to Endymion.

http://www.nisbett.com/symbols/peace_sign.htm

Truth behind the “Peace sign” very interesting site. Thanks to Albaby.

http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/

Great site users can use to compare different versions of the Bible.

http://www.nesara.us/pages/home.html

NESARA’s official site, check there announcements!

Okay I think I got every video/article in this thread, if not post the ones I missed please! Like I said before I am amazed at how much info users have posted on this thread, I am sure all of us have learnt or found out about something new! Thanks to everyone again for all your research!

Something interesting:

In post "666" i wrote:
Just coincidence i am sure!

Nope i don't believe in the Quran...

and come on you bringing "LOTR" into this.

No one can win either side of the argument, its all about belief

Lets see the ancient greek law system, when someone kills a fammily member, you are allowed to go and kill the murderer, and then so the murderers fammily member would kill one of yours, because he is allowed also and this would continue, read about it wink2.gif - wow.

My heart.

Why not? On this subject, the Quran and the Bible are no different.

Its a valid point.

Then quit talking about your belief in absolutes as if it were fact.

Yes. It clearly shows that, in the eyes of the greek, even before the law was refined, they considered murder to be wrong. Wow, look, they considered murder wrong, just like the ten commandments say... but this way way before that.

Theres no proof in your heart.

ok so NESARA is BAD.

Ok so what they say their gonna do is a lie.

But what's the truth. What are they up to. What are they really gonna do instead of the stuff they say they will do.

I need this explained to me more clearly. sense I don't get this. And I want so much to understand and to know the truth. So I can protect myself from getting the mark of the beast before they make the announcement that people should get the mark blah blah blan or watever. And I also have another question will we get a choice to decide on if we want the mark are not.

You asked if "I" thought they were the same.

No it isn't.

Please, please...please don't make me quote myself - i dare you to count how many times i have said "believe not fact thing"

The holy bible is true.

Why not? On this subject, the Quran and the Bible are no different.
Its a valid point.
Then quit talking about your belief in absolutes as if it were fact.
Yes. It clearly shows that, in the eyes of the greek, even before the law was refined, they considered murder to be wrong. Wow, look, they considered murder wrong, just like the ten commandments say... but this way way before that.
Theres no proof in your heart.

Those who worship the beast and its image will get a mark on their hand or forehead well those who are worthy to be first fruits in the new world will have there names sealed out of the book of life.What is the image and the beast I have a theory that its something to do with Money and a system of buying and selling 'money is the root of all evil' A true christian would know right from wrong and triumph over this image .

No, I asked if you believed in the Quran.

Yes it is. LOTR is an intricate piece of litterature.

Should I quote you?

--------------------------------GS ANSWER MY QUESTIONS PLEASE.

how can you prove that this nesara is not a scam to create a false reality inside the head of internet users... u know www is marked by 666.

" Religious Law of the day stated that "no man can forgive sins but God alone", and any claim to be able to do so was blasphemy, punishable by death. Therefore, the religious leaders (Pharisees) tried to kill Esu Immanuel on trumped-up charges. The real reason the Pharisees hated Esu was that the Truth he taught threatened their religious order. Note that Esu never claimed to be "The Christ", nor did he ever claim to forgive people's sins."

So this is about Sananda - as you see "Sananda" wants the reader to know that he was the "Jesus" and that he was not the "Christ" hmmm well didn't Jesus in the Bible ask the disciple who they think he is, and peter said "You are the one we have been waiting for, you are the Anointed One, the Son of God" and Jesus replied "Good, tell no one", hmmm dosen't Christ mean "the annointed one" - or am i just wrong? also Sananda claims that the "Jesus" he was never claimed to forgive sin. Really, because as i remember correctly the REAL Jesus forgave the adulterous woman - "thy sins are forgiven thee"- How many times has he said that?. grin2.gif Booyah! lol just happy i hit them hard!

oh my I'm so sorry that people would say that kinda stuff to you guys. sense your civilians just working for the government. you are not the government. your just working for them. and you guys are certainly not evil because you work for the government. you just work for them that's all. in my opinion the government is something awhole lot more powerful then just a group of soliders working for them. I think the people. i mean the really big people in the government are the ones who are evil and sinister. some of them are not. like take for instence JFK. He was certainly not evil. He was a good man. and he was gonna let the public know the truth about this stuff. i think JFK was killed because he was gonna let the public know the truth. i think the real truth to his death was covered up by evil people in the government. the soliders and other people working for the government. are not evil people. they also want to know the truth to this kinda stuff. take phillip schneider for instantence he worked for the government. and he certainly was not evil. He really wanted so much for his friend who in my opinion was murdered by some of the big boys in the government. i mean the really really really big boys. not just a solider. fighting for his country. he wanted his friend to have some meaning to his death. he philip wanted to know that yes although his friend was muerdered doing this was still worth the risk because it would have brought meaning to his friend's death. that he didn't just die for nothing. he died respecting the rights of the public and trying to get the truth out to the public in anyway he possibly could. the same goes for philip. he respected the publics rights of wanting to know the truth about all of this. so he decided to keep on going with it all. but in the process of doing so. doing for what he truly believed was right. he was killed in the process for doing so. here's what we have to do. we have to make phillips and his friends death and many others. we have to let the truth be known to the public so that pillips and his friends and many others death wouldn't be that they died for nothing. for no reason at all. we must let the truth be known in order for their deaths to have meaning to it. i mean sadly yes they were killed. but if we somehow are able to get the truth out there to the public then we would beable to think and say yes there were many deaths in searching for the truth to this issue. but it was worth while. because the outcome came to be good. and now we can move forward into the future knowing that the truth has become known to the people and feeling proud of it. i mean all of them people trying to get the truth to be revealed would have died for nothing if we didn't finish what they started but because of us finishing what they started along time ago. their deaths now at last have meaning. and now we can move on having more peace in america then we ever had before. that my friend is what we have to try and do. is make these peoples deaths have a meaning to them. a very special,peaceful, and beatiful meaning/outcome because of us trying our best to get the truth out there and succeding because of it.

sorry if i didn't really explain that clearly. i always have a problem with explaining what it is that i'm trying to explain. it can get very overwelming at times.

Well this is my belief (Stellar ), but they CLAIM that one of there leader is lead by Saint Sananda - WHO claims he was Jesus:

This is something i posted before in this Topic:

From one of Sananda's trusted speakers...

Now this is me trying to prove a point, that Sananda is fake! ...

i am not sure i understand. jesus, can forgive sins, it is in his power, bc he is endowed(sp) with gods authority over the heavens and the earth. Sananda is fake bc he was jesus and not jesus christ? i mean i am just not sure what you are talking about.

and stellar is right on a massive level.

Okay wow, thats confusing, first of all Sananda is NOT Jesus - he is just lieng about it - HE Never was Jesus!!!!!!!. Jesus is Jesus, Jesus Christ !

I know Stellar is right, but i don't like how he's implying that i "told everyone this is the truth". I have always said in the beginning that this is my view!!!! and yet people don't get it.

Edit:

1.so if jesus slays via "the word", then it should be humans who use the word to change everything.. so wouldnt it be jesus enabling us to save ourselves instead of waiting for jesus and a celestrial army to save us?

2.WHATIF the internet conspiracy was created by the dark agenda to prevent all the good things that could come of the NESARA's actions? And the people who didnt let a good thing come due to fear of the could be.

3. So how can this Sanada claim to be jesus one second, and then take back his belief. And you know that he could just be a human, who claims to have christ consciousness, which is the devine heart ignited, consistant presence of the holy spirit or somethin, and selflessness. i think.... i dont know for sure these are my guess. but anyway it is the state that i work towards.

4. Have you ever heard the theory that when christ returns, it will not be JUST him, but humanity raising the collective conscious to christ conscious, and in a since, a huge macro version of jesus christ emerges..

I was looking for that link that had the names of the 13 tribes of the seeds of satan, but I lost it in the pages ! however, one of the last names was Kennedy, so who knows if JFK was one of satans kin or whether he was of human kin ?

what do you think GS should I believe him. or should I not. And why do people have to annoy me with this kinda junk. it's so annoying leave me alone. i'm moody right now.

Yes ofcourse, there is NO WAY you can get the mark by accident, and they can't force you the Devil knows that. Its your own decision to follow the beast or not, but thats not saying that the Devil won't try to "influence" you to take it.

Wait wait wait, why are you making me do the decision - its YOUR choice who to believe!!
You should carry some research!

Personally, JFK was my favourite president! i had found nothing wrong with him and that tribes thing cannot really relate to surnames of the present.

-Eash was Stellar right? i didn't notice that a user would ask me to make there choice for them

Very confusing, what do you mean slays via "the word"??!?!

I believe in the Bible, the Anti-Christ will come first. After all Nesara is promising GREAT things in Earth right? well didn't mathew say:

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal

But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal - Mathew 6:19

He always claimed to be Jesus, when did he take back his belief????? He already admitted he is not human, he calles himself "the ascended master".

Nope, the Bible is my book

the word is the word of god. the double edged sword. we use it to help defeat the dark forces.

i like what mathew says, although i am not sure how to apply it or how it applies to the anti-christ

by the way lucifer is the devil right. i keep on getting confussed. well if so how tall is this dude anyway. i'm 5.1

Are you relating to Revelations about the Jesus slays with words thing?

I applied Mathews quote with the antichrist because Nesara's leader is Sananda (one of there leaders), But i claim he is the antichrist!

i wouldnt call him that. i think thats what he wants to be called. "the light bringer". which is deceptive in itself. Call him satan, and he is lower than you.

i dont see how that quote from mathew applies to him at all. it is about not living for the material world, cuz everything is bad and fated to die and turn to dust in this world, its the eternal world that we should invest out energy in. love is a treasure that is eternal. gather it. (i think this is what it means)

Yes your right i used it because NESARA is promising all these great new things as world peace, new technology, cures for diseases - and i am sure that people will love this.

Do you understand now why i used the quote ?

crystal clear