Nesara sounds very good dosen't it, like i said before they first need to condition the world into believeing that they are the good guys. The thing is when you say "what if we try to stop them" you make it out that loads of people know the real Nesara, "don't judge a book by its cover" , anyway would you have known about Nesara if i didn't give my opinions and showing why it was bad? 6 billion people in this world - Satan has the advantage. Thats not all i am sure he is got plans for those who oppose him.

The same way i am telling you, you can believe it or not, like Mathew said:
"And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."

Yeh thats a very sad situation, it will show were the persons true faith lies though...

The devil is very tricky and can twist what's being said. I assume that he's captain of his debating team . Basically satan will be speaking through who will try to make a mockery of Christianity.

As for "the word", whatever is said by Jesus to defeat vast armies of satan, I would assume that it's an ordinary word like "stop" or something. The reason why it's effective is because it's coming from God himself. I don't think Jesus will impart that authority on us.

Those are just my thoughts.

You mentioned that angels are fallen, what do you know about angels ?

do you know any ancinet hebrew ?


Fallen transulated is short for the proccess of transformation from the higher less dense states of being downwards through the various densities until one is concieved within a womb. The process removes greatly much of the ability of that spirit or angel. we all fall to earth man.

another angle. Who rules the world ? why would he promote fiercely a book that makes him a villian. more than likely, the villians have damned the good guys and obviously transulated to english the way best to control the free like you.

be wise with words. the power to know is ever closer. The power to confuse is waning as REVELATIONS means as it is said. what if Lucifer was the good guy and the bad guys have fooled everyone ? Why would Lucifer promote himself as the bad guy if he runs things ?


Everyone alive is alien. we came from where ?

Beware of the minions, they ride upon the bodies of humans, controlling their every move and thought if needed.

McKenna I get the feeling from your posts that you are very young (yes I read all 51 pages of posts ). What is happening here is a philosophical/theological discussion. This is not a university lecture on absolute truths. I am not sure you understand this. I don't say this to be mean, but I am concerned that you seem to waffle between panic and cult-like devotion. If you are young, I would say educate yourself more. View other philosophies/theories/theologies learn to discern what "knowledge" there is out there (there is tons of it). If you are not young my apologies, but then I feel that your disjointed panic filled posts are indicated of a need of some kind of professional help.


And as for the rest, this is a most interesting and excellent series of posts. I have enjoyed this discussion immensely.

You a scientologist ?

It was in no way meant to annoy you ! I just read Gods one post on the 13 tribes of Satan, and what their last names could be and it struck me as odd, that Kennedy was one, and St.Louis was one ! Sorry if I annoyed you, but I read those last names on this post.

ok,that answered my question, just wanted to know if there might have been anything relative to the surnames of the tribes with names of the present ! thats all !

Do you think that the Goverments of the World are using Religion to rule over us and are actually insighting Anarchy on the streets of every country .Why can't world leaders get along or are they just interested in Capitolising on the exspense of mans hard work. The greatest leader I have come to know was King David of Isreal. Why do the royal famly claim to be decendents of David when they are German KingDavid

I think scientology is the one to watch. Yep, they want to rule the world as well.
Check out their symbols!?

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They’re trying to fool both sides; religion and science. They’re trying to fool the Christians into joining by using a cross symbol as their symbol and they’re trying to fool science based people with their dodgy name.
Science- ology the study of science.
Scientology is neither, it is a sinister cult. At best it’s a mild form of manipulation and worse it’s a program designing to turn you into an non questioning mind controlled robot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology

http://www.xenu.net/ is a good site exposing the dangers of scientology.

Check out their ultimate dodgy secret; The story of Xenu! lol
I've just saved you a fortune if you were thinking of joining. It takes years to learn this cr*p.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

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nah. everyone experiences these things. we just control it. i think its cute and honest that she is not so head strong. Here frantic pleas express alot of peoples views about this subject.
but yeah.. do not take any on this seriously, for your own health. when the time comes to take it seriously.. if it ever comes. u will

Well rapid7, as regards this subject you and I are in total agreement. I firmly think that L. Ron Hubbard most likely started the whole *religion* on a lark...it has become anything but as the movement has grown. My advice, stay far away from these folks.

The Church of Satan ?, they are decent people. They just believe that everyone should do pretty much whatever they want in life. They idolize Satan for rebelling against god, and doing what he wanted to do, not be a slave in heaven, for that he is somewhat of a mascot, but they do not believe in him.



It comes from the Vulgate, which is a 5th century translation. This was translated from the original hebrew texts, and was the only bible that translated the old testament from hebrew directly into latin, bypassing greek translations.



Not only my interpretation of it, but the The Jewish Encyclopedia's as well.




No, Im not Jewish. I do know about the Sefer Raziel though and the contents within the book, and the myth, and legends behind it.



It is tradition that people believe in the crucifixation of Peter, it's been handed down and been accepted by the church. It's also tradition that Jesus was alive as well, no physical evidence of his life and times have ever been discovered.



I am very much religious, but I get my facts straight from the source. I don't take everything for granted, I research it thoroughly. I do believe in Jesus, although no evidence exists of his life and death, thats where my faith may blind my logic. However, I still do not take everything for granted that someone tells me, unless I have concluded it as a very reliable source of information.

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I don't say this to be mean, but I am concerned that you seem to waffle between panic and cult-like devotion.

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What do you mean by Waffling between panic and cult-like devotion?

I cried out to the Father, the Most High God, "Just Give Me The Truth!"


Oh how I really wish I knew the truth.

I wish I could ask the real Jesus Christ(the one that was crucified on the cross). For the truth and he will give it to me.

This gets so confussing when you don't know the real story and when your stuck in between i don't know if this is true to this is the real story this is the truth. It really stinks when you don't know what to believe in or who to believe or trust or what to think. I know by fact that there are alot of cultish people out there. Alot of bad and evil people out there. who just wanna take advantage of people like me. and don't care if they know by fact that what their doing is wrong. All they want to do is brainwash people until they can't think for themselves. And that is not a good thing. that is never a good thing. There have been stories real stories of bad evil people making up stories and then try to brainwash other people(including children) into believing what they say is true. even though they know its a lie. And those stories in the end not only the cult leader the one who started the whole thing in the first place dies. but the people whom he/she brainwashed into believing him/her story dies too. Including children. So this cult thing is never a good thing at all. And I know by fact that I don't wanna be a part of it. But I also want so much to know the truth. And I don't know how to find the truth. So i get really confussed sometimes. And confussion is never a good thing to feel.

So I don't know how i'll find out the truth. without being put in harms way.

McKenna,

If you believe in Jesus Christ, and God, then nothing should shake your faith. It's either you believe or you don't. Personally, if your not sure, then your not the type of person that would put faith in God. Your asking for the REAL JESUS ? then read the gospels, those are the life works of Jesus Christ. If that does not persuade your decesion, then you should not need any other conclusive evidence. You should then remain an athiest, agnostic, deist, or whatever other belief you choose. If your looking for Jesus to knock on your door and say believe in me, and I will give you this, this and this, it's not going to happen. Read the bible, research christianity, then come to your conclusion. If your a christian that's off and on, you might as well not even fool yourself. Your faith should always be true if you expect to be a full christian.

notice the pyramid has four levels. that means its bound to the material world and omits the heavens. scientology is evil, and works for the unseen dark agenda.

as far as FALLEN being a denser state... i agree.

Tool has conditioned me in a way i cannot help but agreee with.

"F*ck L Ron Hubbard and f*** all his clones." - aenima
"All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are an imagination of ourselves! " - Bill Hicks Intro to Third Eye - Tool - Aenima

The idea behind Xenu is not proven to be 100% true. Scientologists do not 100% support that belief, but also do not say it's correct. Regardless, the whole religion does seem very ridiculous. The fact that you must "attain " certain degrees of enlightment before they tell you everything you need to know is insulting. At entry stage they you Jesus Christ does not exist, however, later they will tell you he did, but he was the enemy.

The only thing I agree with them on is the positive attitude put toward the body. They agree that health is among the most important things in life, and strive for people to take vitamins and to eat and exercise daily.

I found this. read it. and tell me if its good or not

Universe
21 up, 6 down


A unified consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, looking for its reason for absence.

We are solving ourselves.

Each universe within the multiverse is like an octave of reality. As we understand there are 7 colours and 7 notes in a scale. There are also 7 levels of consciouness. Each octave of thought is a different dimension/parrallel universe.

We can only see into this reality just like we can only see one octave of light. Higher vibrations are out of view, and so are lower vibrations. The same goes for sound, only because particles are at much lower energy vibrations anyway, we can hear more octaves.

Everything is looking to progress from a lower vibration to a higher vibration. At higher vibrations everything is less seperate. E.g. The frequency of T.V's is roughly 50hz, and so for us it seems smouth and one flowing picture. At lower frequencies we can see each individual frame.

The idea is to become more unified. Emotionally, Love and Hate are the spectum of thought. Hate is seperation - lower frequencies of thought, love is unifaction - higher frequencies of thought. When we hate everything, then we suffer, because as we have hated everything, so everything has hated us. When we love everything, we find bliss, because as we have loved everything, so everything loves us. Very simple, yet so far, our species (humanity) has yet to see this obviousness.

We have had glimpses into the truth of higher, more perfect, realities (known as heaven - which is only a word, the reality is so much more), but due to our misinterpretation of the truth due to our lack of understanding to begin with we have generated a game of chinese whispers through religions until our realisation that we were being controlled through half truths and misconceptions.

Understand that these chinese whispers have passed through the minds of hatful people that wish to control and supress true knowledge from us. E.g. 200 years ago, we were being enslaved by christianity. Now, we broke free from childish interpretations of reality into something much worse. As we developed so did the system.

We are now controlled by governments. Much more organised, much more controlling. Setting aside commandments for laws.

There is only universal law, everything else is just a guideline. That being said, killing someone isn't against the universal law, but it is a hateful act and so the universe balances itself by mechanisms described in Buddhism as Karma. It is important to act as loving and compassionate as possible so as to enjoy everything and ascend in consciousness.

Heaven is simply a higher vibration of reality, Hell doesn't exist. Or, we already exist in the lowest vibration of thought there can be. So this is technically Hell.

God is Love, because love is unified and God is complete as one. Perfect like a sphere.

Aside from all of the above. Most of us forget that we are just beings in a universe, and become so obsessed with our own petty lives we forget the bigger picture.

The universe is like the breath of God. Moving from 0 - 1 - 0... The universe shall expand and contract from nothing to nothing. We shall live these lives over and over again.

Though, in higher realities, because our frequency is much higher, so time appears slower. Our thoughts are very much more instintaneous because we exist as energy, so our thoughts are as fast as light. Yet, our thoughts now are controlled on a chemical level, and have to travel through nerves at less than 1/100 the speed of light (possibly even less).

We see things in a linear fashion. We see a begining - the 'Big Bang' and so for us, there is an end - the 'Big Crunch'. But time is just an illusion. When we develop higher understandings of reality, so shall we understand time in a different way. And so we shall forget the past, forget the future, and live completely in the present. The only thing that exists is the here and now, and so, when we live completely in the here and now, so time has no relevance, and so we find eternity in bliss, through love.

Science believes the universe to be a probability event. But a probability of what proportion? 1/infinity I imagine. So then, science is obviously underestimating how big infinity really is... this is based on the uncertainty principle. That is due to the fact that an electron cannot be deteced without disturbance. Basically, inorder to detect it, you need to throw something at it so it will then throw something back so you can see it (give it some energy so that it will become 'excited; so that it will seek to assume its normal state and give off the energy. So as soon as you detect it, you have then given it some energy and so whatever data that has been recorded is instantly irrelevant because it will be behaving under new circumstances to which it was first detected. Doesn't mean to say an electron is a probablity, it just means to say that science is a probablity. Stupid objectivists!

I think, Therefore I am

Matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are an imagination of ourselves.

We are the method in which the universe tries to understand itself. Therefore, if we look to understand ourselves, then we shall understand the universe because if we can understand ourselves then we can see how to understand the universe.

Okay wow can you explain yourself, say it it a plain terms - do you mean that the Bible was probably created to condition people like me or that Nesara is the real good guys and i have been tricked into believing they're not.? :s



Think about what you just said...

Idolize satan?, well me being Christian were not suppose to idolize anyone but God , anyway lets see "satanists" think that they are God's themselves,

Dosen't mean the christian theory is wrong...

Okay thanks for clearing it up!

Jesus was alive and well is not a tradition because millions of people believe it to be fact - but hey you could say the same for St. Peters cross.

Whats your thought in NESARA?

check this out dudes. I was searching because i wanted to see if i could find pictures of fallen angels that looked like what we think of as being aliens and i found this:

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/endtimedelusion.html

heres another one:

http://www.mt.net/%7Ewatcher/ufosandbvms.html

something else i found:

http://www.mt.net/%7Ewatcher/date_set.html

-off topic-
who is in your avatar pic?? DUDE lol

My avatar is of: ANNE FRANK

I think McKenna's avatar is of Ann Frank. More tragic than humorous, IMO.

Whoa! "Bread and Butter" (that's what we used to say as kids when two people said the same thing at the same time).

BTW, I like your avatar!

Thank you. Yeah it's really SAD what happened to ANNE FRANK. NOBODY should ever have to go through that kind of PAIN and SUFFERING that ANNE went through.

POOR ANNE FRANK

Its sad what happened to the other 6 million Jews in Europe aswell - not to mention black, slaves, poles, communists anyone who wasn't following the Nazi-germanic regime .

Any back to topic:

Nice find McKenna those links are very interesting!

Just wondering..........

Allmighty god, can creat and take away whateva he wishes due to the whole president of the universe thing......

I said to my friend "well if god is so good, they why didnt he just kill the devil because the devil is just a mere angle, god made him, so why cant he just kill him" my friend replys "well without the devil there would be no balance, like ying and yang you cant have yang without ying and visa vera, you need balance" is this true ? without evil there cannot be good and without good there cannot be evil or soemthing similar along those lines ?? so in a way god wanted this to happen ???

So in a way we need the devil right ? please comment on this.


btw, for those of you who know the anime fullmetal alchemist he stated "equivilant exchange" in his reply

I've heard that rational before. However, once the final battle happens and Satan is finally eliminated, I believe that we will see the dawning of a new era. A time without the devil. It'll be completely different than it is today. I don't buy that theory of "you can't have good without evil". With God, anything is possible, even the elimination of evil.

Just my thoughts

Well not necessarily, because there was a time when god existed without the devil. He created him and even then he wasn't just made evil, he became jealous and rebelled against god.

I have to say McKenna, that these websites that you found are absolutely cool reads.

Good research!

Right, they are followers of the CoS ( Church of Satan ). They idolize Satan, as a christian may idolize Jesus for his kindness and perfection.



No, you may believe whatever you wish, but the fact is, during the translation thats what they once believed. After it was re-translated, and since Lucifer is not even mentioned anywhere else in the bible, it seems far fetched Isaiah would only have that one scripture related to him. To put it into metaphorical terms, let me say this small passage.

" And then he ran, so fast lightning could be seen shooting through his legs, and he leap great lengths. "

Now... sure, whether or not you believe he actually had lightning shooting through his legs, is irrelevant, he more then likely didn't. Same idea, the Babylonian King that the bible talks about had "fell " from the grace of heaven due to his pride.



Millions of people saw him, sure, but the only written piece of evidence of Jesus is in the gospel. I could get myself, and a few colleagues to write about meeting, and growing up with an Alien. I could then get millions of people to believe it, because I have written proof of his existance......now whether you believe it or not is up to you, but it's the same amount of evidence we have that contributes to the life of Jesus.



I have not heard of this, some type of organization ?.

I was just thinking of something. I thought I would share it.

Has this whole scenario played itself out before? Take a look at ancient Egypt and the ancient civilizations of Central and South America (among many others). All these civilizations seemed to be extremely advanced, and now they're gone. Only the huge monuments and little bits and pieces remain. No person (to this day) has a clear picture of how these civilizations vanished. We see in their artwork and hieroglyphs, depictions of flying machines and Gods who walked among the people. There was always more than one god and the people worshiped them.

Now who's to say that this didn't really happen? Could the gods of the ancient civilizations really have been fallen angels who felt the need to be worshipped by humans? This would explain the technical advancement of the time. It would explain "who built the pyramids" and so on, and so on. Also, if this took place, it would explain why the civilizations ended so abruptly. Two words "Gods Wrath".

It seems to be a never ending cycle of events. We are getting more technically advanced, many believe with ETs help. It won't be long until the anitchrist comes back with all his ETs and walk amongst us. He'll also want to be worshipped. Along with the worshipping, there will be great structures built (for future people to wonder about). It'll all come to an end when God comes down and destroys.

Once we re-boot as a society, all technology will be lost. We start all over again. Everything will be nice for a thousand or so years. Then the same things might just happen again. Only the names and faces will be different.

These are just some random thoughts, that's all.

Civilizations died through disease, famine, and conquering of opposing civilizations. The Egyptians didn't just " vanish " they were conquered by the Macedonians, and then were conquered by the Romans. Many other cultures such as the Aztecs were killed through pestilence, and by bad rotation of crops and farming. This could be seen when a lot of the skeletons found resembled teeth marks of other men. It is easily then concluded many of the aztec, and mayan cultures were forced to covert to cannabalism to survive another generation before there crops were exhausted. This could easily be contributed to natural disasters, or bad farming. Also, when generations start getting larger, without significant technological advancements, you cannot simply feed a growing nation with what small food reserves you have available. Has nothing to do with Angels, or God smiting civilizations. It comes down to mans destroying his own economics, same thing that happened to Rome.

I appreciate the verbal lashing. I said that they were merely my thoughts. Besides, everthing you mentioned (besides civilizations being conquered by other civilizations) could have been brought about by God.

You can believe the Gods did all that, but I doubt it. Mankind is dumb enough to do it to themselves. Im sorry if you felt it was a verbal lashing, I just wanted to enlighten you on the subject at hand. Many people think that something other then man had to create the pyramids, or the heads on easter island, or the aztec temples, and so fourth, but these historical landmarks are all possible. Don't dis-credit mans survival and architectual wonder, but also, do not dis-credit our own stupidity.

Ok out of all this extravagant explanation and all things alien and religion here are a couple a questions.

1) According to the book of Enoch aliens are the faces behind god and angels but where that puts god exactly? Is he/she/whatever their leader???... and if so is that entity omnipotent???

2) Establishing a more mundane explanation in the form of aliens, doesn't that make good and evil rather subjective? Isn't the definition of right and wrong down to the agenda that either the gods children or the satanists would have in place for their future??? Is your crusade really about being with the good guys or just pick a side that sems to have the best interest of humanity (relatively) in mind?

I just find it so weird following through the progression of this topic and not see the major contradiction between religious beliefs and more tangible concepts like extraterrestrials. Still wondering how you fit the whole concept of afterlife, supernatural existence and christian values with another organic form of life from an alien world...

FMA....

Antichrist. Someone who unfolds christ's will in an unchrist like manner. If Hitler was an Antichrist, it was bc he was destined to lose, and serve as an example for other people. Billions of people feel the horror of the holocust and will never fall into the same mistake (except posibly the chineese bc they are so isolated. The events are embedding into the human collective conscious?

This may be wrong, but alot of people believe that Satan serves as the tester of man kind. Bombarding man with evil so he can overcome and learn from it. This world serves as a training ground for souls. But i do not know this. I just know experience yeilds supperior knowledge than fear and obedience... no fear.

A few similarities:

Sumerian
In Ancient Sumer, clay tablets describe visits of the gods. The gods fly in vehicles called Shems, or Mu, which are described as being tall rocket-like "rocks" from which fire flies. The visiting gods stay at temples, built by humans under the instructions of the gods, and are waited on. Certainly, the detailed descriptions of everything from who shakes hands with the gods first, to what food is served, and how the gods are carried back to their Shems imply that the Sumerians weren't just expecting spiritual visitors, but physical beings from the sky.

In mythology it was not impossible to travel to the sky home of the gods and visit them. A Sumerian hero, Adapa, was so perfect that the god Ea decided to keep him alive forever by taking him up to the Heavenly Abode of Anu (a higher deity) where Adapa could eat the Bread and Water of Life.

In yet another Sumerian myth, the hero Gilgamesh travels to the landing place of the gods and is permitted to travel up to Anu's Abode.

Sumerian tale of Nergal and Ereshkigal “Anu opened his mouth to say to Kaka: I will send thee, Kaka, to the Land of no Return, To Ereshkigal…thou shalt say: ‘Thou art not able to come up, In thy year thou canst not ascend to our presence, And we cannot go down, In our month we cannot descend to thy presence…’”

Egypt
The Egyptian Book of the Dead "Behold, oh ye shining ones, ye men and gods..."
"I speak with the followers of the gods. I speak with the disk. I speak with the shining ones."

The Egyptian name is "Benu" which means "the Ascending One".

Egyptian King Pepi ascends: “As an imperishable star; Flies who flies! He flies away from you, O men! He is no longer upon earth; he is in the sky! He rushes at the sky like a heron. He has kissed the sky like a falcon. He has leapt skyward like a grasshopper.”

Ancient Egyptian legends tell of "Tep Zepi" or the First Time. This is described as an age when "sky gods" came down to Earth and raised the land from mud and water. They supposedly flew through the air in flying "boats" and brought laws and wisdom to man through a royal line of pharaohs.

Seminole
Near the beginning of time, five Seminole Indian men wanted to visit the sky to see the Great Spirit. They travelled to the East, walking for about a month. Finally, they arrived at land's end. They tossed their baggage over the end and they, too, disappeared beyond earth's edge. Down, down, down the Indians dropped for a while before starting upward again toward the sky. For a long time they traveled westward. At last, they came to a lodge where lived an old, old woman. "Tell me, for whom are you looking?" she asked feebly. "We are on our way to see the Great Spirit Above," they replied.

Blackfoot
A Native American myth, one of the Blackfoot Indians, tells of how a maiden fell in love with the Morning Sun and was taken by him up to the Sky-Country.

American Southwest
The Indians of the American Southwest have legends of tall, fair-haired Beings. They also have legends about the 'Little People'. Both are said to have 'Sky Craft' or 'Saucers'.

Iroquois
Long before the world was created there was an island floating in the sky upon which the Sky People lived. They lived quietly and happily. No one ever died or was born or experienced sadness

Mayan
Mayan mythology tells of four gods discussing, from their thrones in the sky, how they want to create creatures to enjoy the earth and worship them. They proceed to attempt to create creatures of dust, wood, and gold, all of which fail. Then the fourth god creates creatures out of his fingers. These fourth creations were humans and worshipped the gods as they were created, too.

The Mayans believed their predecessors came from the Pleiades. The Mayan Indians of Central America knew the earth was round centuries before the Europeans made this discovery. The Popol Vuh states that several gods, including Hunahpu, Xbalanque, and the great god-king Quetzalcoatl, returned to the stars after their earth life ended.

Mexico
Quetzalcoatl appeared to the ancient Mexicans as a feathered serpent.

Ecuador
Naymlap, the leading god of the Indians of Ecuador, was “taken heavenward by the god of the speaking stone”

China
Early Chinese texts tell of long-lived rulers from the heavens that flew in "fire-breathing dragons".

Tibet
In Tibet there is a book called the Kantyua, which means "the translated word of Buddha". It tells of flying "pearls in the sky" and of transparent spheres carrying gods to visit man. Here, too, the belief is of being reborn time and time again and not just to earth. The Royal Pedigrees of Tibetan Kings dates back to the seventh century. It states that the first seven Tibetan kings came from the stars and goes on to say that they eventually returned to the stars.

Korea
Haemosu came to Korea, a true Son of Heaven came down through the air in a five-dragon chariot.

Pak Hyok-kose the Founder of Silla: In Korea Chinhan had six villages, each belonging to a separate clan whose ancestor was said to have descended from heaven.

The Wei Shu tells that two thousand years ago, at the time of emperor Yao, Tangun Wanggôm chose Asadal as his capital. Hwanung wished to descend from heaven and live in the world of human beings. Knowing his son's desire, Hwanin surveyed the three highest mountains and found Mount T'aebaek the most suitable place for his son to settle and help human beings. Therefore, he gave Hwanung three heavenly seals and dispatched him to rule over the people. Hwanung descended with three thousand followers to a spot under a tree by the Holy Altar atop Mount T'aebaek and he called this place the City of God.

Dead Sea Scrolls
The description of the Divine Throne-Chariot depicts the appearance and movement of the Merkabah, the divine Chariot supported and drawn by the cherubim, which is at the same time a throne and a vehicle.

India
In India it was, and still is, believed that man descended from gods who flew fiery crafts.

The Mahabharata: “The gods, in cloud-borne chariots…bright celestial cars in concourse sailed upon the cloudless sky.”

Adroa
Known as the "God in the sky" as well as a creator god by the Lugbara of Zaire and Uganda.
Buku
Worshipped as a sky god and creator, although sometimes worshiped as a goddess, in some West African cultures.
Ebore
An African sky god

Emayian.
A sky god of the Masai of Kenya, a sky god.
En-Kai
A Masai sky god.
Kazooba
Sky god, creator, and sun god of the Ankore of Uganda
Mukameiguru
A sky god of the Ankore.
Nenaunir
Resided in the clouds and was a dreaded spirit to the Masai.
Nyamia Ama
A sky god in Senegal.
Olorun
The sky-god of the Yoruba people. He created the world and mankind.
Olofin-Orun
A sky-god of the Yoruba.
Olodumare
A sky-god of the Yoruba
Parsai
A Masai sky god.
Rock-Sens
The sky god of the Serer of Gambia
Rugaba
A sky god of the Ankore.
Ruhanga
A sky god of the Ankore.
Tilo
A sky god of Mozambique.
Tsui' Goab
A rain god, who lives in the clouds, of the Hottentots of South Africa.
Umvelinqangi
A Zulu sky god who descended from heaven.
Utixo
A Hottentot sky god who speaks with a voice of thunder.
Wak
A supreme god, who lived in the clouds, worshipped in Ethiopia.
Wele
"The High One", sky god and creator god to the Bantu.

Australian

Bunjil
A sky god.
Daramulun
A sky god.
Biame
The "Great One" and creator who lives in the heavens.

Aztec

Ometeotl
A sky god known as the god above all.
Quetzalcoatl
A god who flew in the sky, known as "Feathered serpent", "Morning Star" and creator god.
Tlauixcalpantecuhtli
A sky god known as "Lord of the house of dawn."
Tonatiuh
Sky god known as "God of the Sun."

Canaanite
Baal-Haddad
Called "The Mighty," who rode the clouds." Son of Dagon, the corn god.

Caribbean
Obtala
Sky god of the Caribbean.

Celtic
Camulus
Known in Gaul as a god of the sky.
Nwyrve
A father sky god in Wales.
Dirona
A sky goddess of Gaul.
Sirona
A sky goddess of Gaul.
Tannus
A god of the sky of Gaul.
Tinnus
A god of the sky of Gaul.
Taranus
A god of the sky of Gaul.

Chichimec
Mixcoatl
Known as the "Cloud serpent" and god of the pole star to the Chichimecs in Central America.

China
Di Jun
God of the eastern sky.
Sao-Ts'ing Niang
Goddess of the clouds.
Yu-Huang-Ti
A sky god whose court is in the highest level of heaven.

Egypt
Hathor
A sky goddess.
Mut
A winged sky goddess.
Nut
A sky goddess and personification of the heavens.
Unit
A star goddess.

Finland
Ilma
God of air.
Jumala
A sky god and creator god.
Mader-Atcha
A sky god.
Num
God who rules the sky.
Numitorem
Vogul sky god who created all animals.
Ukko
God of the sky and air and highest of gods.

Greek
Helios
A sky god who flew in a golden chariot pulled by winged, white, fire-breathing horses.
Hera
A sky goddess.
Iris
A flying goddess with golden wings.
Zeus
A supreme flying god known as "Cloud Gatherer."

Inca

Ilyap'a
A sky god in control of weather.

India
Aryaman
God of the skies.
Asvins
Twin sky gods who rode in a gold car drawn by birds.
Gandharvas
Gods of the air.

Mayan
Alom
God of the sky.
Itzamna
Sky god, "Father of the Gods" and creator of humankind.

New Zealand
Rangi
The god of the sky worshipped by the Maori.

Norse
Odin
The mighty sky god of the Norse called All-Father.
Tiwaz
The one-handed sky god and war god.
Tyr
The sky god of the Norse who was relaced by Odin.

North American
Ahsonnutli
The sky father and chief god for the Navajo.
Algon
An Algonquin hunter god who watches a great willow basket descend from the sky.
Aningan
A sky god of the Inuit who has a great igloo in the sky where he rests.
Atahensic
An Iroquois sky goddess.
Big Heads
Sky gods of the Iroquois, who are without bodies, which fly about in storms.
Estsanatlehi
A Navajo sky goddess.
Geezhigo-Quae
An Ojibwa sky goddess who dwells in the sky.
Gunnodoyak
A young Iroquois hunter who was adopted by Hino and brought up to heaven.
Hino
Iroquois thunder god and god of the sky. The Rainbow is his consort. With his fire arrows, Hino destroys evil beings.
Nesaru
An Arikara Sky spirit.
Nishanu
The great sky god of the Arikara tribe.
Olelbis
A sky god of the Wintun tribe of the Pacific Coast.
Oshadagea
Lives with the Iroquois sky god Hino in the sky.
Sun
An Inuit sky goddess.
Yolkai Estsan
A Navajo sky goddess.

Slavic
Dazhbog
A sky god who flies in a diamond chariot from his golden palace in the east.
Perun
A sky god who flies in the sky in a chariot.
Ved'ma
A goddess who flies in the sky.

Sumer / Mesopotamian
An
The Sumerian sky god.
Anu
A god of the sky who dwells in the celestial heaven.
Anshar
A sky god and father of Anu and all the other gods.
Babar
A sky god.
Shamash
A god in the sky who flies in his chariot seeing all the evils and wrongs of the world.
Sin
A god in the sky who flies through the sky in his sailboat.
Utu
A sky god

Nice examples OracleTracker. Also remember when a lightning storm went on, the Greeks assumed Zues was mad. And when there was an earth quake, they thought Hades was going to destroy them all. Stories such as these are made through knowledge that is not yet known. Native tribes around the world still look to the sky and worship the stars as gods, and also believe the earth remains flat.

Most of it has been derived from mythology. Others are actual events that happened and stories were retold about them. You connect myth with truth and you get a religion.

Nice use of copy n paste, but next time wether it was in purpose or not please post if something wasn't yours, maybe you can correct me?

5/6 of this thread is about NEASARA!!!
http://www.nesara.us/pages/home.html

This is the best post i have ever read on UM.

Behold the Fallen? These are all demigods... right?

can anyone give me the nesara website again. I want to check out how they start conditioning people into thinking their the good guys. i went to it before and there was a page on how to get involved. not that ill join in it cause i won't but i just want to find out more about how they start this power hungry rat race in the first place. thank you.

It seems that almost every generation has someone we can call an antichrist people like King Henry VIII and Nepoleon and Hitler all the way up to today where many people think that Osama and Sadam are todays antichrist candidates, although I think Osama is more then Sadam due to the fact that Osama is able to manipulate better and Sadam is just a crazy people who got lucky.

Nothing about these policies make any sense at all

Am I the only one who thinks that a flat tax rate is stupid? Why should someone who is only making 30,000 a year pay as much for taxes as someone who is making 100,000? A dollar to the poor is not the same as a dollar for the rich. And world peace seems almost impossible with terrorist still around, and also if we were to pull out of Iraq right now they would be in a worse condition then when we came in, they would be full of corruption and civil war would surely break. Although a new currency would be nice since are dollar isn't backed by much anymore. And how can you have new elections so soon after the establishment of the bill? It's stupid you need time to here issues and find personal background information about each candidate.

including the people in europe who had disabilities. they were the first group to be sent to the gas chambers. people like me. who couldn't help it that they were disabled because they were born with it. people like me. I was born with my disability. And do you think I actually enjoy having it. No I don't. If I didn't have it I would've been treated like a normal living breathing human being. not like a subhuman. I have been teased, i have been hurt, things have never been easy for me. Do you think if I had a choice between being disabled and not being disabled if I would not wanna be undisabled. No because I would give up anything and everything just to be treated like a normal everyday human being. I hate it when people judge me before getting to know me first as a person. I hate it when people critizise me. If fact, I've been teased about my age on this forum and it's not pretty ethier. I've come across people who like i'm younger way younger then i actually am. not in my 20's but in pre-teen years. And I hate it so much. I hope someday I'll get the chance to prove myself, my bravery, my courage, my strength, and my will to fight for what it is that I truly believe in.

But anyway back to topic.

I agree with you i think we would be way better off with just the good in the world and no evil.

It kinda makes me wanna join the fight in god's war against the devil and show the evil side what i'm made out of. they think i'm weak, they think i'm chicken, they laugh in my face. I'll prove them wrong. I'll prove what it is I want to prove to them. then when they see me fight with bravery and courage they'll wish they never came across the likes of me.

Because I'm:

MCKENNA THE WOMEN WARRIOR. AND I AIM TO PLEASE MY KING FROM UP ABOVE. BUT EVEN THOUGH I'M VERY TEMPTED TO JOIN GOD IN HIS FIGHT AGAINST THE DEVIL. I STILL AM HOVERING BETWEEN IF I SHOULD FIGHT OR IF I SHOULD REMAIN NEUTRAL.

AH.....I hope not. I hope that when God comes back this next time that there will be no more evil ever again. I aim for PEACE FOREVER.

or so thats what they the government wants us to believe.

why isnt peace achievable? boredom is the only interfereing human characteristic. I would like somone to describe to me a peaceful existance. what would happen? keep people feeling significant?