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joc

Mar 20 2006, 03:45 AM

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QUOTE(joc @ Mar 19 2006, 07:59 PM) *

I think you are the one following blindly sweetheart.

If that's the case defend the things he has done, or prove the facts wrong

You aren't even talking about facts...you are talking jiberish...shrub this...shrub that. We all know you are full of hate. I'm sorry, I cannot help you until you lose the hate in your heart.

Roj47

Mar 20 2006, 03:51 PM

QUOTE(QueenVixxen @ Mar 19 2006, 11:17 PM) [snapback]1111805[/snapback]

I care about my country first and everyone else second, maybe you should consider your own before you worry about some other country's problems.

Assuming you are American...... Thankfully the charities around the World were more than happy to aid the Katrina victims.

Just one point that has happened fairly recently.

Way too many things to vent about with intertwined politics.

Everyone tries to keep everyone happy.

joc

Mar 20 2006, 03:58 PM

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Thankfully the charities around the World were more than happy to aid the Katrina victims.

What charities were they...and how much did they give? Just curious.

twopits

Mar 20 2006, 04:17 PM

Oh my God ignorance is rampant in this thread.

Your President will go down in history as having been the absolute worst of all time. Open your sheeple eyes and look about, open your ears and listen. Forget Fox News and CNN. Educate yourselves, before it is too late.

Roj47

Mar 20 2006, 04:25 PM

QUOTE(joc @ Mar 20 2006, 03:58 PM) [snapback]1112548[/snapback]

What charities were they...and how much did they give? Just curious.

http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/reliefres...12661025318.htm

Gives figures (leave to your discretion as to the validity though)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=1...-name_page.html

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=30213

joc

Mar 20 2006, 04:59 PM

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Open your sheeple eyes and look about, open your ears and listen.

Can we just grow up a little already!

et's daddy

Mar 20 2006, 05:04 PM

QUOTE(twopits @ Mar 20 2006, 11:17 AM) [snapback]1112572[/snapback]

sheeple .

everytime i see that i picture joc in a sheep costume

but seriously, all presidents get way too much blame and credit for the things that happen

aquatus1

Mar 20 2006, 06:59 PM

Do people really think their arguments become more valid and resonable when they call their opponents sheep? Has this in any way, shape, or form ever been a successful tactic to get people to share your beliefs?

Or is sharing your beliefs not the point?

frogfish

Mar 20 2006, 09:30 PM

Go aquatus

Sevannah

Mar 20 2006, 10:29 PM

I'd like to add my 2c's. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether I agree or not I will respect it, as I hope is done with mine in return.

Honestly, my first thought when I read the first post of this thread was "OHHHH, that's why last night on the Family Guy they were taking pot shots at GB jr about the coke

I'm Canadian, and for some strange reason I tend to follow US politics more than Canadian. Go figure. What comes to mind when skimming these replies is an old saying:

"The best way to conceal the truth is with a lie"

Because the truth may sound so far fetched that no one would believe it, you tell people and they automatically think it's a lie.

The same holds true for those who we think are crazy. That is why they are labelled as "nutcases" it's a way to discredit them. I'm not saying that what this guy says is all true, but one thing I've seen happen time and time again is in order to save ones ass one accuses the other of being crazy to discredit what they are saying.

The best way I can describe this is with the following example that has happened to many people I know.

One partner accuses the other of cheating, the cheating partner says "you’re crazy, you need help mentally"

This happens way too often as a way to save ones rear. Think about how many times someone called a person crazy, and then try to remember if the so-called "crazy" person was eventually right?

All I'm saying is that the second someone's sanity is questioned on an important matter, alarm bells go off for me. I guess I can also revise my saying to:

"The best way to conceal the truth is with insanity".

I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with David Icke, I personally haven't read many of his articles, so I can't pass judgement.

QueenVixxen:
I would like say that I have not idea what you must be going through, but my heart goes out to you, and you and your DF are in my thoughts.

Lottie

Mar 20 2006, 10:46 PM

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Do you actually believe God talks to him? C'mon. BTW Hitler also thought God talked to him.

Going off topic quite alot but anyhoo.

I am not an avid Bush supporter by any means in fact I couldn't really care less but...
What is it with recent threads and some comparing Bush to Hitler or even Stalin? A bit extreme m'thinks. There are no comparisons and people should think themselves extremely lucky for that.

Infrazael

Mar 21 2006, 07:51 AM

Dude, Bush won't get re-elected.

Currently, he's only 1% more popular than Herpes.

et's daddy

Mar 21 2006, 01:44 PM

QUOTE(Infrazael @ Mar 21 2006, 02:51 AM) [snapback]1113828[/snapback]

Dude, Bush won't get re-elected.

Currently, he's only 1% more popular than Herpes.

oh he will be reelected

this is already his second term

if you feel you must speak, try and not be the village idiot

joc

Mar 21 2006, 02:05 PM

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Dude, Bush won't get re-elected.

Bush can't be re-elected. A President can only serve two terms.

kArin Spinn

Mar 23 2006, 08:04 PM

[font=Tahoma][size=5][color=#CC33CC] Bush is going to Bring down this beautiful country we live in....i mean what kind of Q-tip says he sees progress in Iraq and the next day you take a look at the news paper and BOOM what do you see but killings of innocent people....Get a reality check America...

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http://www.paistortuga.net/asnarin/bush%20...sh_hitler02.jpg[/img]

Theres Hitler for you!!

Dark Bloody Wind Goddess Haruka

Mar 23 2006, 08:07 PM

I personally dont think bush has the intellgents to do ANYTHING i dont even think hes running the country i think his daddy and his daddy's little friends are telling him what to do he might not have the intellgents to do something but i bet one of his flunkies does

et's daddy

Mar 24 2006, 03:01 AM

QUOTE(Dark Bloody Wind Goddess Haruka @ Mar 23 2006, 03:07 PM) [snapback]1117486[/snapback]

and youre obviously a Rhodes Scholar

Snowball

Mar 24 2006, 02:48 PM

QUOTE(et's daddy @ Mar 20 2006, 01:52 AM) [snapback]1111970[/snapback]

pray you never need help like the people of Iraq, as you may find it slow in comming

December 20th 1983

user posted image

Flashback to 1989
When Rumsfeld and Bush Sr. Refused to Back a UN Resolution to Investigate Saddam for Human Rights Abuses

SOURCE

I can't believe there are still people in this day and age that would argue the reason for going to war was out of some sort of humanitarian duty. The argement that America had an abiding and strong desire to invade Iraq to resolve longstanding human rights abuses are derisory. America has zero track record of being motivated on the international stage by concerns for human rights. It has actively assisted and encouraged nations engaged in mass murder on a monumental scale (to wit Indonesia with its 1975 invasion of east timor). America has made high profile use of human rights as an excuse for interventions but has an appalling record of supporting death squads in central america, tyrants in africa, and mini genocides in south asia.

Malfeas

Mar 24 2006, 03:31 PM

QUOTE(frogfish @ Mar 19 2006, 09:36 PM) [snapback]1112016[/snapback]

I'm not believeing any of this propaganda...the author of this thread is the one who is scared of a big asteroid that won't hit us...

Now thats just funny.

However, I have got to ask this question... what happens when he's gone? He cannot be re-elected as has been stated in this thread earlier. I'm just curious. All current opinions aside, what would happen if, say a much more "Liberal" president were elected. Would those that hate the US now breathe a sigh of relief and pitch in or would there be a grudge?

RedEyeJedi

Mar 25 2006, 01:33 PM

QUOTE(Malfeas @ Mar 24 2006, 03:31 PM) [snapback]1118627[/snapback]

Do some research on the Illuminati and the genelogy of American presidents. Presidents are never elected, merely selected. Whoever is POTUS is merely a figurehead for the real policy makers behind the scenes.

joc

Mar 25 2006, 03:02 PM

QUOTE(RedEyeJedi @ Mar 25 2006, 01:33 PM) [snapback]1119933[/snapback]

Selected by whom?

Want to investigate a REAL conspiracy? Why not try to find out who it is that tells the main stream media what talking points and words to use. In describing Bush, there will usually be a certain word, a keyword of sorts, like 'gravitas' that is picked up and used in unison by everyone in the main stream press. But that isn't a conspiracy is it? Just a lot of like minded people who are also psychic.

And you people who make a comparison to Bush and Hitler: All you are really saying is:
Hey everyone, I am completely clueless about the Nazis and I am completely clueless about Bush...I am a complete and total ignorant bafoon...I just like people to think I'm smart but actually I am dumb as dirt.

jjtss

Mar 26 2006, 02:43 AM

QUOTE(joc @ Mar 19 2006, 09:01 PM) [snapback]1111601[/snapback]

As far as I am concerned he hasn't made any big mistakes.

You don't read much do you???? Butcher Bush is an abomination to America. Also: Like father, like son.

joc

Mar 26 2006, 03:23 AM

QUOTE(jjtss @ Mar 26 2006, 02:43 AM) [snapback]1120838[/snapback]

You don't read much do you???? Butcher Bush is an abomination to America. Also: Like father, like son.

Do you get paid for being so clueless?

Mekorig

Mar 27 2006, 02:35 PM

QUOTE(joc @ Mar 20 2006, 03:58 PM) [snapback]1112548[/snapback]

What charities were they...and how much did they give? Just curious.

IIRC, the argentinian goverment offered to the USA some C-130 whit mobile hospitals we had. The USA declined the help.

et's daddy

Mar 27 2006, 06:08 PM

QUOTE(Mekorig @ Mar 27 2006, 09:35 AM) [snapback]1122647[/snapback]

IIRC, the argentinian goverment offered to the USA some C-130 whit mobile hospitals we had. The USA declined the help.

link ?

whom specifically declined this help

you post it here and everyone will automatically assume it was Bush

id love to see a source

The Silver Thong

Mar 27 2006, 06:27 PM

QUOTE(et's daddy @ Mar 27 2006, 11:08 AM) [snapback]1122913[/snapback]

link ?

whom specifically declined this help

you post it here and everyone will automatically assume it was Bush

id love to see a source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International...rricane_Katrina

scoobysnack

Mar 27 2006, 06:51 PM

QUOTE(joc @ Mar 25 2006, 09:23 PM) [snapback]1120888[/snapback]

Do you get paid for being so clueless?

Like father like son, does not always apply, but in this example it does. I'm not bashing Bush, because I like to bash Bush, he really is evil. He's a very good liar. Don't fall into his trap.

user posted image

QueenVixxen

Mar 28 2006, 08:39 PM

QUOTE(Sevannah @ Mar 20 2006, 04:29 PM) [snapback]1113110[/snapback]

QueenVixxen:
I would like say that I have not idea what you must be going through, but my heart goes out to you, and you and your DF are in my thoughts.

Thank You Sevannah. That is very sweet of you. Perhaps someday you and I will be neighbors. Once he has gotten is his doctorit we are considering moving to Canada, neither of us like the direction this contry is moving in or should I say moving backwards. Frankly I am concerned with the blindness of the people. How can one ignore the blatent lies behind the very thin facade of this corrupt, and lying admin. Sorry for the delay is response, I have been out of town.

et's daddy

Mar 29 2006, 04:27 AM

QUOTE(The Silver Thong @ Mar 27 2006, 01:27 PM) [snapback]1122928[/snapback]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International...rricane_Katrina

ok is that link supposed to help ? cause it shows the US accepting aid from dozens of countries, not now turning it down as had been stated

Megalomania

Mar 29 2006, 06:20 AM

QUOTE(QueenVixxen @ Mar 20 2006, 08:27 AM) [snapback]1111640[/snapback]

As a Canadian I can see where you might think that. I am not totally convinced that he isn't the devil. The shrublet has lied more times to the american people than anyone can possibly count.

I lie, you lie, everyone lies. Should I hate you for it, and pick at everything you do?
No.

QUOTE(QueenVixxen @ Mar 20 2006, 08:27 AM) [snapback]1111640[/snapback]

BTW, I am the fiance of a 24 YO disabled vet. When you have to be treated by VA you can tell me how wonderful you think he is. When you have lost everything because your significant other needs 24hour care and the governement, the military and the va give you the finger and tell you have a nice life, we can't help you. You can tell me how great the shrublet is. Maybe you should go to the va, and take a look at the people there who sit for hours past thier scheduled appointments, the very same appointments it took 3 months to get.

Bush is obviously to blame, because your to-be-husband joined the army. Maybe you guys should have researched the worst-case scenarios.

I'm not saying he's stupid or anything, but it's unfair to blame something like that on someone.

Anyway, I hope your to-be-husband gets better soon.

QUOTE(QueenVixxen @ Mar 20 2006, 08:27 AM) [snapback]1111640[/snapback]

When you have lost a $30k entry level job with a promo after only 3 months. Lost your healthcare (which you know nothing about) and your life savings is going to pay monthly bills just so you can keep a roof over your head, then you can tell me something, I have no doubt you will never be able to tell me anything about how the shrublet isnt such a bad guy.

You said it yourself, you know nothing about your health care.
Research what you're signing up for

QUOTE(QueenVixxen @ Mar 20 2006, 08:27 AM) [snapback]1111640[/snapback]

I could go on and on about the horrible things this dictator has done to our nation but I don't have the rest of week to waste explaining it to you.

Wow. Here's a great way to end an argument.
Calling your nation a dictator ship.

Sorry to say, hun,
1. It's a democracy.
2. Bush isn't forcing you to vote for him.
3. Don' like your country, you can get out. Just don't count on finding the perfect government.

dnb420

Mar 29 2006, 06:53 AM

QUOTE(joc @ Mar 26 2006, 03:23 AM) [snapback]1120888[/snapback]

Do you get paid for being so clueless?

QUOTE(joc @ Mar 28 2006, 01:33 AM) [snapback]1123449[/snapback]

So, what is the MOTIVE the government would have for nine/eleven?

(I can't wait for this)

QUOTE(et's daddy @ Mar 21 2006, 01:44 PM) [snapback]1114020[/snapback]

oh he will be reelected
this is already his second term

if you feel you must speak, try and not be the village idiot

ET, if anyone is the village idiot here, it's you(or Megalomania).

Megalomania

Mar 29 2006, 07:47 AM

QUOTE(dnb420 @ Mar 29 2006, 05:53 PM) [snapback]1125194[/snapback]

ET, if anyone is the village idiot here, it's you(or Megalomania).

Me! Me!

Wait... it's not a good thing.. is it?

dnb420

Mar 29 2006, 08:10 AM

QUOTE(Megalomania @ Mar 29 2006, 07:47 AM) [snapback]1125230[/snapback]

Me! Me!

Wait... it's not a good thing.. is it?

I don't know, it's a close race.

Universal Absurdity

Mar 29 2006, 08:22 AM

dnb420 If you wish to continue posting here on UM, I'd suggest laying off the insults.
You've had more than adequite warning.

DaKong

Mar 30 2006, 02:42 AM

QUOTE(angrycrustacean @ Mar 19 2006, 03:36 PM) [snapback]1111559[/snapback]

I'm so sick of people hating Bush just because it's cool. Most of them probably don't have a good reason to hate him. Look, he's just a guy, he screwed up badly several times, but let's get over it. It's not like America is a barren wasteland, nor is he going to make it one. He's not the first president to make big mistakes.

*claps*

Most people also say he's ad because he's the "first" president to have a record before becoming president (DUI). Correct me if I'm wrong but Madison or another president around that timeframe challenged his opponent in a duel and purposely killed him so he would automatically become president. And when you look at it, Bush has done an awesome job so far with handling 9/11, Iraq, and the War on Terrorism. Governing a country isn't easy, you know.

Megalomania

Mar 30 2006, 05:03 AM

I'd just love to some members here running America.

"Put 3 billion dollars into psionic research!"

Stellar

Mar 30 2006, 05:06 AM

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"Put 3 billion dollars into psionic research!"

"Get rid of all the weaponry we posess! We'll teach our soldiers to use psiballs instead of bullets! We'll be unstoppable!"

Megalomania

Mar 30 2006, 06:59 AM

"Oh no! The insurgents are producing cameras! Power.... fading... *dies* x_x"

Snowball

Mar 30 2006, 09:03 AM

QUOTE(DaKong @ Mar 30 2006, 03:42 AM) [snapback]1126343[/snapback]

Bush has done an awesome job so far with handling 9/11, Iraq, and the War on Terrorism.

Really? Can you explain why you think that?

The Silver Thong

Mar 30 2006, 08:47 PM

QUOTE(et's daddy @ Mar 28 2006, 09:27 PM) [snapback]1125082[/snapback]

ok is that link supposed to help ? cause it shows the US accepting aid from dozens of countries, not now turning it down as had been stated

Sorry I thought you might be willing to a little leg work for a change, I will do it for you.

http://p076.ezboard.com/fpoliticalpalacefr...picID=119.topic
http://p076.ezboard.com/fpoliticalpalacefr...picID=119.topic
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/31/235829/261

take note this is not a complete list.

Sorry off topic. I would like to hear more as to what was in this book.

Megalomania

Mar 31 2006, 05:14 AM

QUOTE(Snowball @ Mar 30 2006, 08:03 PM) [snapback]1126647[/snapback]

Really? Can you explain why you think that?

Yes.

Tell me, how would you have handle Iraq, 9/11 and the War on Terrorism?

Snowball

Mar 31 2006, 07:55 AM

QUOTE(Megalomania @ Mar 31 2006, 06:14 AM) [snapback]1127982[/snapback]

Yes.

Tell me, how would you have handle Iraq, 9/11 and the War on Terrorism?

I'll ask the question again because you seem to be having trouble understanding. You stated that the President was doing an awesome job of handling 9/11, Iraq, and the War on Terrorism, and I asked why you thought that was so. Simply asking me the how I would have handled the same situations is not an adequate response.

Megalomania

Mar 31 2006, 12:33 PM

QUOTE(Snowball @ Mar 31 2006, 06:55 PM) [snapback]1128081[/snapback]

You bet your bottom it is.

Maybe if you answer, you'll get laughed at sooooo much; you'll realise that it's kinda hard to run a country.

Don't talk to me about adequate responses, because refusing to answer my question was quite an inadequate response in itself.

Snowball

Mar 31 2006, 04:45 PM

QUOTE(Megalomania @ Mar 31 2006, 01:33 PM) [snapback]1128196[/snapback]

Why don't you go and play with your toys, the adults want to talk.

alchemistic

Mar 31 2006, 05:19 PM

Just another interesting article...for "Conservatives"?

Bush is No Conservative

Oh and OP thanks for the links I'll be checking them out

alchemistic

Mar 31 2006, 05:43 PM

Time and time again when asked to show proof or show documentation…it IS provided.

Many well known and respected reporters, business people, congress people or ex congress people, well respected people, eye witnesses, video tapes, audio tapes, physicist, doctors, lawyers and many more come forward and the doubters are shown so much of the evidence…but, to no avail.

When asked to show proof from the Bush and his administration supporters…there is very little, if any at all ever submitted….

Anyone that wants answers or wants to find the truth are called “paranoid, anti American, angry, idiots, childish" and asked to provide more proof….

The “proof” IS there, yet there is a refusal to look at any of it.

bboy

Mar 31 2006, 08:38 PM

QUOTE(QueenVixxen @ Mar 19 2006, 02:27 PM) [snapback]1111640[/snapback]

As a Canadian I can see where you might think that. I am not totally convinced that he isn't the devil. The shrublet has lied more times to the american people than anyone can possibly count.

Please educate yourself before making such statements as its cool to hate Bush. Those of us who follow the happenings in this corrupt admin dont find it amusing or cool at all. We are deeply concerned with our nation and its current and future state. "screwing up badly several times" is not even close to accurate!

BTW, I am the fiance of a 24 YO disabled vet. When you have to be treated by VA you can tell me how wonderful you think he is. When you have lost everything because your significant other needs 24hour care and the governement, the military and the va give you the finger and tell you have a nice life, we can't help you. You can tell me how great the shrublet is. Maybe you should go to the va, and take a look at the people there who sit for hours past thier scheduled appointments, the very same appointments it took 3 months to get.

When you have lost a $30k entry level job with a promo after only 3 months. Lost your healthcare (which you know nothing about) and your life savings is going to pay monthly bills just so you can keep a roof over your head, then you can tell me something, I have no doubt you will never be able to tell me anything about how the shrublet isnt such a bad guy.

FYI a few years back, he gave the military a raise, geez that was mighty good of him huh? The truth is the money he used to give them a raise was taken from the housing budget for military families. Also those great tax cuts we recieved about 5 years ago, most of america got between $300-600, he took that money from social security. The top 1/5th of earners receive 2/3rds of all benefits and the bill excluded extending the child tax credit to 4 million low income families who do not qualify.

I could go on and on about the horrible things this dictator has done to our nation but I don't have the rest of week to waste explaining it to you.

I can see nothing in your statement about the horrible things he has done. The VA has been a POS for decades now, no President has done anything about it. This is just another typical example of blaming Bush for something that isn't his fault. About the raises, do you think money just appears out of nowhere? You have to pull from somewhere to put it somewhere. Every President has had to do this not just Bush. Just because you don't like him, it doesn't make everything he does wrong. Maybe your efforts should go to improving your situation, and not blaming. People get unlucky breaks all the time, the smart ones fight through it, the bitter ones blame others. Typical example: New Orleans. I will be waiting for you to post some of the horrible things he has done.

alchemistic

Mar 31 2006, 09:57 PM

QUOTE(bboy @ Mar 31 2006, 08:38 PM) [snapback]1128687[/snapback]

Typical example: New Orleans. I will be waiting for you to post some of the horrible things he has done.

That would be getting off topic now wouldn't it...
But, there is a huge list of things. Start a thread if you'd care to hear the list...

The billions of dollars that has been gained by the administration (which I call the dark goverment) could surely have been put to better use, then to go into the already filthy rich traders pockets...

But, as I said it will all come out as soon as they don't need him (Bush) anymore...
He is actually only a puppet. He really hasn't the brains to have done anything himself. Just look at all the tings he failed at before he was president....

So, in that respect you are right…people shouldn’t hate or blame Bush Jr….he’s just so simple, it hurts just to watch him speak.

Someone said “dry drunk”. I personally don’t think so, I would bet anything he using again….
Course you know we sure wouldn’t hear about that.

bboy

Mar 31 2006, 10:43 PM

QUOTE(alchemistic @ Mar 31 2006, 02:57 PM) [snapback]1128782[/snapback]

That would be getting off topic now wouldn't it...
But, there is a huge list of things. Start a thread if you'd care to hear the list...

How is that going off topic? She brought up the terrible things that have befallen her, and I just said people can either fight through it, or look for handouts. The Bush hating is much like the evolution argument. It's all theory. That's all it is, theory. People with too much time on their hands coming up with these off the wall theories that make no sense. Sure I have laughed at times when listening to Bush give a speech, who hasn't? I'm sure he did drugs back in the 60's early 70's

, most people his age probably experimented. Kinda like most men in their 80's probably fought in WW2. It was just something you did at the time. He is still our President, and there is no conspiracy. Give some hard evidence, not some loons that hate Bush, and will write everything bad they can about him. It's like when Clinton was in office, there were loons that wanted him out of office so badly also, that they would write lies about him. This will happen to the next President I'm sure. The gullible ones will be swayed to believe anything. The ones who are smart will stay out of it.

Megalomania

Mar 31 2006, 11:39 PM

QUOTE(Snowball @ Apr 1 2006, 03:45 AM) [snapback]1128388[/snapback]

Why don't you go and play with your toys, the adults want to talk.

That wan't an adequate response either, little girl.

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