The date you joined does not tell me how long you've actually visited and been active on the forums. I guess you're the unarmed one now.


Anyway, let's move on.

Again, with respect, you are not "sensing" anything from me. You are merely reading my words and attempting to analyse them. Even I can do that.

I am not denying anything that is "actually true". There is no 100% truth in regard to the paranormal. Even the things that I believe in, I would never try and pass off as truth, purely because I don't know for SURE. I only believe it to be.

I haven't "convinced" myself of anything. By you saying that to me, I could just as easily tell you that you have convinced yourself to believe in it's so-called "truth" - I'm not saying that though. I'm just passing the card back for the hell of it.

I may find the truth, but that wont be because I stop looking. It will be through pure, 100%, credible proof - something that I don't think I will find any time soon - if at all. I'm open-minded enough to accept the possibility, however, that is as far as it will go at this moment in time.

I respect your idealism, but have you found 100% truth about anything? I mean I'm down with <99% if you want it, but 100%?? You're not the christian version of God, and you never will be... A long time seems extraordinarily optimistic. Anyways, just nitpicking, I get what you're saying.



Bio Mage, what kind of skeptic are you??? Are you criticizing the test for taking measures to help rule out cheating?? I expected more from you, all this back and forth flaming must have gotten to your head (I'm really not trying to flame per se, just pointing out that your sarcastic remarks take things too far imho).
As for the "uncanny ability", did you happen to watch the World Cup 94 finals? I was a soccer fan in those days, even got the chance to see Roberto Baggio score both the goals needed to beat some other early round team. In spite of his "uncanny ability", he missed the goal by a huge amount on the final penalty kick, giving up the trophy to the opposing team. People aren't perfect, and unless a psychic is claiming to be able to get 95% of the guesses right, we can't hold it against them that they don't. This is just one of many studies attempting to test for psi etc through statistics, not something that's trying to show the best psychic in the world.



Oh Mr Ed, you always give me a chuckle when you say this type of things nowadays. It is true that many ppl do do this, that I agree with you on. I would like to send a link to the extraordinary flourish of true explanation for how parapsychology isn't legitimate. After posting increasingly specific information, ending with a quote from a book by Rhine (well his wife of the same last name), the responses trickled away if I recall correctly. Now where was that post....

*EDIT* I can't find the post "where's the evidence?" by Replacement100, don't know why. Can't even find Replacement, did he leave the boards?? Anyways, if there's interest I can find and copy the passage covering the experiment again in a new, hopefully more productive post. It'll be from "Mind Over Matter" by....crap, can't find it... Well, if you guys are interested I'll find it. It's by Rhines wife (as I said above) if I don't hear interest in it in the next few days I might not be able to get it.

Main Entry: be·lief
Function: noun
Pronunciation: b&-'lef
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English geleafa, from ge-, associative prefix + leafa; akin to Old English lyfan
1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2 : something believed ; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3 : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence

MINE

I agree with Turtle when he stated "Intellectualism will just pull you further from the truth''

Really IMO the intellect is a inferior way on analysing reality when put against intuition.

I hear my intuition, acknowledge it, and finaly intellectualise until I come to a over convoluted conclusion my intuition already told me. In my experience the intellect creates confusion and hides truths from me via the ego.

My dream is to halt my intellect and feel my world.

any thoughts?

Raven, see what you caused. Say your sorry.

I've started to understand that recently.

Sheesh, I hope I can use both. My intellect earned me a living for many years.

But what about the times when your intuition is wrong? I agree that it often a right, guiding force, but it is not a perfect force. When your "Intellect" is completely misguided and extreme, it is bound to affect your intuition unless you have entirely rejected your intellect, at which time you would most likely lack the capacity for rational thought. (Note: I am not saying your intellect is misguided.)


This doesn't even deserve my time.

But you're still giving it, for some reason...

That is kind of my point. I only go by what I believe to be 100% truth - in my own mind and not through somebody elses. It doesn't mean that I'm right about it. I find it difficult understanding why others can't see that also. As I said; I may never actually find the truth, and I honestly don't expect to.

A belief doesn't create a fact. Not so far anyway ...


But you would say that. If you actually use your intellect, you may find that you were wrong about it all. In my opinion, that's the real reason behind you not using it, or not wanting to use it. It's easier to hold on to what you believe is real.

No offense.

Touche....
Please then explain to me how in the past 4 months I have seen no less that 5 total strangers (usually when I am sitting in a bar having a ahem..beverage ), and I notice that their"colour" is off, and I get a picture in my mind of an organ.
I tell them only that I sense that they should seek medical advice (bear in mind these people are TOTAL strangers).
First off they look at me as if i have lost my marbles (I do not care, for the information has been given, what you do with it is up to you).
Through the work of coincidence, I have helped 4 out of 5 (the 5th was just sick with the flu).
Further, explain then why when I was working for my former boss ( I will provide the number if you wish to verify) that one of his moles around his right eye needs attention.
He told me that the doc has already looked at it and informed him not to worry.
I INSISTED!
He went and had them removed.
After the first cut, I told him (he was still waiting for the results) that he will have to go again and have some more removed as they didn't get it all (cancer).
6 days later, he was informed first off that indeed it was malignant melenoma, and that he had to come back to have some more removed (precaution according to the doctor).
Now I respect that fact that this will not even constitute belief for you, and that is fine, but what I speak is the truth.
Take it for what it is worth.

I will admit, I believe you. It doesn't seem to matter how many times things like this happen the scientific/skeptical reasons are always the same. There are basically two explanation they use, coincidence or fooling yourself.

Question for you Turtle, did you ever "see" things before your NDE.

Thanks ImOne.
The frustrating thing is the evidence is there...people just refuse to trust in it.

Now if Tornado comes back and asks for my e boss number and I give it to her, and she phones, and the boss concurs, what do you think tornado is going to assume?

Yup, that we are working togeather....

I have done this and heard this so many times I just ignore the nayer's.
I have honestly attempted to show others, and what is their usual conclusion, working togeather, looking for money, collusion, you name it....
and then they wonder why we can't provide proof???

Go figure.....

I did not see things before my NDE, these gifts came after.

Blessings

Thought you might be interested in an NDE account I once read. The experiencer was apparently dead for several hours. It's a lengthy account, but I read the whole thing.

http://www.spiritual-endeavors.org/seth/patsyNDE.htm

If this is a true story the psychic ability of this woman (following her NDE) is amazing.

I think that you overstate the reality of the matter. For example, without following his instinct, Einstein (and surely countless other innovators) wouldn't have made much for a breakthrough. Well, if they would have, it would've been much later. At the same time, they had to have the intellect to put their intuition to use. It's a balancing act in my opinion, and one in which we all too often give all the weight to the intellect even if it's not for the best. Intuition and intellect have their strengths and weaknesses, you've got to learn to use each properly, and I would say that learning that constitutes a form of wisdom.

Putting aside the one with flu, can you tell me what was wrong with the others? I'm guessing that I wouldn't be wrong in assuming that you kept in touch with them after your first meeting, seeing as you found out that you actually helped them.

Referring to their colour; if it was yellow, then even I would picture an organ problem. (Just being sarcastic.)


Anyone whom is educated on the signs of skin cancer would recognise any change to a mole.


Okay. I'll admit that this part has me wondering. All I can say is, maybe these things don't happen quite as you explain them (not that you're lying. Only that you believe them to happen this way). Out of concern, you could have told your boss that he should have it confirmed that the cancer has completely been cut out - you're just asking general questions. Through common practise, he would have gone back to the hospital/had a call, and your worry/concern has turned out to be accurate.


I wouldn't ask for the number, purely because it isn't my place to (but you knew that already ). For one, it's an invasion of privacy and I would have no right to ask a complete stranger about their health scares - especially for the sake of confirmation because of a claim through a forum, lol. Second, I'm no good on the phone. Third, yes. The thought would be there (even if only for a second or two) that this had been staged. After all, I could be speaking to anyone - even you.


Interesting. Have you heard of this happening to anyone else? I'm not testing you at all. I'm genuinely interested.



Over all, I don't know what to think. I could either believe you - I have no reason to assume that you're lying - or I could believe you to be full of it or that the story isn't quite as you have explained it (not as mystical as it all sounds). For some reason, I don't believe that you are "full of it", yet I'm not too sure about believing it. Logic could give me a few good reasons as to why this happened - if it did at all - even if I haven't thought of them right now. Although one or two do come to mind ...

I'm thinking about how the atmosphere is while in a bar. I have had a few drinks, and my confidence/nerve rises as a result. There is a guy sitting next to me (he's cute ) yet he looks a little withdrawn - sick, even. Because I've had a few drinks, this extra "confidence" that I have has enabled me to make conversation with him. We chat about ... whatever, until I eventually ask him if he's feeling okay - that he looks a little 'off'. He then proceeds to tell me that he has, in fact, felt this way/that way for a while now. The symptoms that he has explained has lead me to believe that this sickness could be more than just a virus or bug. During this chat, I suggest that he should maybe go and see a doctor. He does, and it turns out to be something that needed serious attention.

This could all be coincidence due to being in the right place, and having a certain level of confidence and nerve. After all, if you had just happened to walk by these people in the street, you most likely wouldn't have said anything. The difference is, you were in a bar. Alcohol leads you to make conversation with anyone, ask the most unlikely questions, and feel comfortable in giving your opinion. Alternatively, blokes tend to be more 'buddy-buddy' in a bar. They chat about anything. This conversation could have just came up.

Just a thought.

Yeh this is exactly what furstrates me too!

Oh and to answer your question Tornado, alot of people who have NDE have many of the same feelings about life that Turtle does.

Why would it frustrate you? Is it such a big deal whether or not other people believe it? If it is; why?


Feelings about life? That covers a lot of things.

I have an answer for this. When my intution understands that things need to be viewed with the intellect, I get a feeling of intuition telling me.




They strongly believe in the after life....after

Because I believe intuition is the power that can bring the planet to harmony.

I would like to add that there is alot of things that man has yet unable to explain. Science , I believe will explain G-d What ever you call it. I see many Times today that there is alot of scientist studing metasphyscal sciences ( Even High Magick) especially the men and women who fields are Physics and its off shot Quantum Physics is finding many awesome discoveries that will help discover many things about our universe. For example they concluded that there is now 11 deminisions, not 4 and there is a the theory calld the M theory. If you do not now what I am talking about, google it.
Now what I am getting at is that a person a can be religious and a scientist at the same time.
We all have to be Skeptic, Even the Christian, Jews and Muslims. That way we will be able to open our Eyes and follow what our true nature is. We have to stop being Bias in every thing.
There are scientist that studied magick and religion, and a few who were not but who belive in the possiblity of a divine force.
Albert Einstine- Student of the Bible and Kabblah
Karl Gustuv Jung- Student of Inner Alchemy, And Gnosticsm
Werner Heisenberg- Mystic and Phylosopher and student of Pythagorean and
Platonic Philosophy
Joseph C Lisiewiski- Student of Ceremonial Magick
Sir Isaac Newton- Alchemist, Theologin, Natural Magician, Freemason
Stephen Emmmens- Alchemist
Sir william Crooke- Alchemist
Erwin Schroedinger- Mystic and Philosopher
This is just to name some who in part beilieved in the MetaPhysics.
I would Like to end it with this:

There is No Matter as such! All matter originates and exits only buy Virtue of a Force......
We must assume behind this force the existence of a Conscious and intelligence mind.
This mind is the matrix of all matter.
Max Planck
Nobel Prize winner and Father of Quantum Theory

Ninel Kulagina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGy_wgWvge0

From the stress of repeatedly doing Psychokinesis, she suffered a heart attack thus ended her psychokinetic abilities.

You're using something tangible against something intangible.

Doesn't work.

Sincerely Knightmeir given your past behavior it is your responses which are intangible

Any thoughts?

PS: Seriouly dude do I have to go to quotes