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Corporal Cupcake
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Meanwhile Ritchie and Spungen had become locked in their own world of drug addiction and self-destruction. Interview footage shows the couple attempting to answer questions from their bed: Spungen is barely coherent while Ritchie lapses in and out of consciousness. He also came very close to death following a heroin overdose and was hospitalised for a time.

On the morning of October 12, 1978 Ritchie allegedly awoke from a drugged stupor to find Spungen crumpled dead on the bathroom floor of room 100 in the Hotel Chelsea in New York. She had received a single stab wound to her abdomen and apparently bled to death. Ritchie was arrested and charged with her murder although he said he had no memory of having done so. However, he later claimed to have "killed her because I'm a dirty dog." There are wholly unsupported theories Spungen was murdered by someone else, usually said to be one of the two drug dealers who visited the apartment that night.

After appearing in court over Spungen's death, Ritchie was briefly interviewed by a tabloid journalist. He was shaking slightly and appeared sober, morose, and withdrawn:

Interviewer: Are you having fun at the moment?
Ritchie: Are you kidding? No, I am not having fun at all.
(long pause)

Interviewer: Where would you like to be?
Ritchie: Under the ground.
Interviewer: Are you serious?
Ritchie: (quietly, and sad) Yeah.
Bail of $50,000 was put up by Virgin Records at McLaren's request, and in February 1979 a party to celebrate his release was held at the home of his new girlfriend Michelle Robinson. During his time at Rikers Island prison, Ritchie had undergone drug rehabilitation therapy and was supposedly clean. However at the party he obtained some heroin from his mother, and was discovered dead the following morning, having taken a large overdose. Speculation has persisted that Ritchie, unable to live without his beloved Nancy, took his own life. He wrote the following poem about her:

You were my little baby girl,
And I shared all your fears.
Such joy to hold you in my arms
and kiss away your tears.
But now you're gone, there's only pain
and nothing I can do.
And I don't want to live this life,
If I can't live for you.
To my beautiful baby girl.
Our love will never die...
After Ritchie's death, his mother phoned Deborah Spungen, Nancy's mother, to request that he be buried next to her, but Deborah Spungen declined. There are several myths about what happened to Ritchie's remains but one of the most persistent is that late one night, "Sid's mother jumped the graveyard fence where Nancy was buried and scattered his ashes over his beloved for them to be together for all time."

According to The Guardian, "It's more likely that Ma Vicious arrived back at Heathrow with his remains. Malcolm McLaren claims she knocked them over in the arrivals lounge; hence the fanciful myth that Sid's essence still circulates, wafting through the air vents and moving among the travellers."


Sid Vicious

Do you guys think he done it?
coldethyl
I think if he did do it, he was so under the influence that he didn't mean to. I also think it's possible that a dealer did it since some money was missing from their room.

For an excellent book from Nancy's mother's perspective read And I Don't Want to Live This Life. It's riveting.
Corporal Cupcake
I also think he was innocent. He really seemed to love Nancy, and I don't see why he would have killed whilst he was in full control of his mind. I think it was the drug dealers as well, as evidence seems to point that way.

I shall have to have a look for that book coldethyl. It sounds extremely interesting.
coldethyl
It's an excellent book and I've read it twice. It's not too favorable towards Sid, but it is written by Nancy's mom Deborah. It's mostly about how Nancy acted when she was growing up and how she was unruly and had wanted to die since she was young. It is really worth a read.
I don't think Sid did it either. Not intentionally. I think more that it was the dealer.
TK0001
I'm trying to find the picture of Sid in the back of the police car, smiling at the camera as he was being taken away from the murder scene.

Does it exist? I thought it did. Could be wrong.
distortedpandy
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Mar 21 2006, 11:52 AM) [snapback]1114260[/snapback]

I think if he did do it, he was so under the influence that he didn't mean to.


agreed yes.gif
Corporal Cupcake
QUOTE(TK0001 @ Mar 23 2006, 06:26 AM) [snapback]1116135[/snapback]

I'm trying to find the picture of Sid in the back of the police car, smiling at the camera as he was being taken away from the murder scene.

Does it exist? I thought it did. Could be wrong.


I'll have a look for it tonight when I get home (the school has blocked any website that contains certain words rolleyes.gif So any search for 'Sex Pistols' comes up as banned disgust.gif )

Also gonna watch my Sex Pistols DVD tonight grin2.gif I brought The Filth and The Fury for $10 w00t.gif So I'll see if it has the photo on there. I have never actually seen the photo, but I'll have a search for it.
Yelekiah
I think he did and it wasn't his intention. It's a fascinating story and I've been meaning to see the film.
frogfish
Same, I don't think he meant to...IF he did it.
TK0001
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Mar 23 2006, 03:10 PM) [snapback]1117497[/snapback]

I think he did and it wasn't his intention. It's a fascinating story and I've been meaning to see the film.


Which film? Sid and Nancy? Great flick. Gary Oldman is an absolutely brilliant actor.

Anyway, in the movie, just after he's put in the car and before it speeds away, a cameraman sticks his camera right next to the window and says, "Smile for the camera Sid!", and he does - he gives a great big obnoxious smile.

My girlfriend at the time was bigtime into the Sid Vicious lore, and insisted that that picture was actually taken. Somewhere in the cobwebs of my brain I seem to recall actually seeing it, but I can't be certain.
TK0001
close....

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coldethyl
I posted earlier about the book And I Don't Want To Live This Life, here is a description of the book from Amazon: "For most of us, it was just another horrible headline. But for Deborah Spungen, the mother of Nancy, who was stabbed to death at the Chelsea Hotel, it was both a relief and a tragedy. Here is the incredible story of an infant who never stopped screaming, a toddler who attacked people, a teenager addicted to drugs, violence, and easy sex, a daughter completely out of control--who almost destroyed her parents' marriage and the happiness of the rest of her family."

How could you not want to read that? huh.gif
jobot37
QUOTE(Pyro Pheenix @ Mar 22 2006, 06:31 PM) [snapback]1116549[/snapback]

I'll have a look for it tonight when I get home (the school has blocked any website that contains certain words rolleyes.gif So any search for 'Sex Pistols' comes up as banned disgust.gif )

Also gonna watch my Sex Pistols DVD tonight grin2.gif I brought The Filth and The Fury for $10 w00t.gif So I'll see if it has the photo on there. I have never actually seen the photo, but I'll have a search for it.


I've got that DVD, I always thought it was terrible, but in a "so bad its good" kind of way...

However, long live the sex pistols!
NirmalaMaya
I dont think being under the influence is any reason to get out of a crime, or any way to escape the fact that you MURDERED someone.

If he did it, he chose to shoot mass amounts of Heroin into his veins. No one held a needle to his head (figuratively speaking). He CHOSE to do those drugs. So, in choosing to subject yourself to something like that, would be to consiously decide yourself responsible for any reprocussions of your actions.

::shrug::
TK0001
QUOTE(NirmalaMaya @ Mar 24 2006, 07:06 AM) [snapback]1118472[/snapback]

I dont think being under the influence is any reason to get out of a crime, or any way to escape the fact that you MURDERED someone.

If he did it, he chose to shoot mass amounts of Heroin into his veins. No one held a needle to his head (figuratively speaking). He CHOSE to do those drugs. So, in choosing to subject yourself to something like that, would be to consiously decide yourself responsible for any reprocussions of your actions.

::shrug::


He didn't get away with it, so why the rant?
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