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The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (starchy @ Dec 30 2007, 01:48 PM) *
Go ahead, try an debunk all you like. Yup whatever, blah blah blah.

I see a magic kingdom all around me, with amazing things in it. If you think Its just leaves and trees or reflections and my mind is making it into stuff, fine thanks for your opinion!

Jeez how many bushes and trees do ya see looking like this? LOL
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There is nothing to debunk. There is nothing there period.

You see a magic kingdom? Okay. huh.gif
chaoszerg
QUOTE (starchy @ Dec 30 2007, 07:48 PM) *
Jeez how many bushes and trees do ya see looking like this? LOL
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How many Bushes and Tree's do I see that look like Bushes and Tree's...............plenty mellow.gif


I tried to honestly show you what was being shown in the reflection of the Roman baths but judging by this..


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Yup whatever, blah blah blah


you obviously are one of those type that have to stick their fingers in your ears when they do not wish to hear anything that goes against what you claim to see.

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I see a magic kingdom all around me


Of course you do and please keep telling yourself that because that is the only way you are going to convince yourself it is real. hmm.gif
Incorrigible1
Don't question Starchy, he's on a roll! And if you do, he'll simply post more photos of "stuff" no one else can see.

Thanks Starchy, for all your efforts. Now please stop posting your photos. It's embarrassing and takes up valuable band-width.
Wootloops
Like what? I'm really trying to see but there is nothing there. Are you refering to the kinda purple area above the rock? Does that make out to be a magical creature to you?
starchy
Oooh. All this effort by the rather lame skeptics to debunk my pictures, what's the big deal? My images might be 99% wrong I'm happy to admit, its the 1% I'm after. If you don't think it is what I show it to be, then y'know....Its OK to disagree fella. There's a concept for ya Mr. Zealot Bigot, its OK for someone to have another opinion. Unless you get scared when your comfort zone that is your own myopic reality crashes down around you...Timber

Here's another
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GypsyWolf
QUOTE (starchy @ Dec 30 2007, 07:48 PM) *
Go ahead, try an debunk all you like. Yup whatever, blah blah blah.

I see a magic kingdom all around me, with amazing things in it. If you think Its just leaves and trees or reflections and my mind is making it into stuff, fine thanks for your opinion!

Jeez how many bushes and trees do ya see looking like this? LOL
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I am resonably sane, and I see it. Plain as day. I have to say this--- if you don't have 'the gift' or you live with such a closed mind as some skeptics here, you're not going to see a darn thing. But I see it-- sitting there on top of the rock. Fake? *shrugs* I just see it.... kinda looks like the caterpillar in Alice in Wonderland to be honest..
chaoszerg
QUOTE (GypsyWolf @ Dec 31 2007, 09:13 AM) *
if you don't have 'the gift' or you live with such a closed mind as some skeptics here, you're not going to see a darn thing.



Just because some people do not have very active imaginations does not mean they are closed minded. and what is * the Gift * laugh.gif



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Oooh. All this effort by the rather lame skeptics to debunk my pictures, what's the big deal?


How old are you....12? People are just showing you that they do not see anything .
why are you are having a little hissy fit and complaining that people are trying to debunk your photos? If you cannot take criticism why do continue to post pictures.
Are you just looking for people to say OMG that is totally awesome its a elf having a tea party with a fairy and gnome? You are ignoring all the many people who cant see a thing and just waiting for someone to agree with you.

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My images might be 99% wrong I'm happy to admit, its the 1% I'm after.


You are not even getting the 1% they are 100% wrong there is nothing special with those photos except for some lovely scenery. no.gif

Yes there may be shapes that might seem like a face but the trees are just trees the bushes are just bushes and the glass is just reflecting there is no magical little creatures no matter how hard you wish to play make believe. no.gif

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If you don't think it is what I show it to be, then y'know....Its OK to disagree fella. There's a concept for ya Mr. Zealot Bigot, its OK for someone to have another opinion.


Yes it is okay to disagree. And we are all going to continue to disagree if you are going to continue to waste people's time by posting embarrassing pictures of just trees and glass windows, then claim there are magical elf's or fairies or gnomes in those pictures, then please accept that people are going to disagree and that they are going to show how your pictures are wrong.







The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (GypsyWolf @ Dec 31 2007, 03:13 AM) *
I am resonably sane, and I see it. Plain as day. I have to say this--- if you don't have 'the gift' or you live with such a closed mind as some skeptics here, you're not going to see a darn thing. But I see it-- sitting there on top of the rock. Fake? *shrugs* I just see it.... kinda looks like the caterpillar in Alice in Wonderland to be honest..

So if we are a skeptic then we can't see fairies? LMAO. w00t.gif
starchy
Thanks GypsyWolf, its so funny how these people cannot see or perhaps won't see.

To them its all a coincidence that parts of bushes and trees happen to look exactly like magical creatures, lol.

Alright here's a bush that has 2 the same!!! The chances of one Elf appearing in a bush is very high, the chances of 2 that look the same is astronomical, however they will still refuse to accept what's out there!! This kind of Elf interest me a lot! They seem to wear uniforms and i think that they may have eye tattoo's or darker coloring around one eye.

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The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (starchy @ Dec 31 2007, 10:13 AM) *
Thanks GypsyWolf, its so funny how these people cannot see or perhaps won't see.

To them its all a coincidence that parts of bushes and trees happen to look exactly like magical creatures, lol.

Alright here's a bush that has 2 the same!!! The chances of one Elf appearing in a bush is very high, the chances of 2 that look the same is astronomical, however they will still refuse to accept what's out there!! This kind of Elf interest me a lot! They seem to wear uniforms and i think that they may have eye tattoo's or darker coloring around one eye.

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Yes. They work in the mall at Christmas. w00t.gif
chaoszerg
starchy I have to hand it too you, You are persistant and a little msiguided.



If I saw elves or fairies or gnomes I would tell you because it would be a amazing discovery, But instead I just see bushes and trees. I can see shapes of something that I think you might be on about but they are still just bushes and trees. If you wish to cling on to that little hope that you have stumbled across something amazing then fine but you are wasting your time. They are not real.


Next you will be saying that lord of the rings is based on historical and real events no.gif


So laugh all you want and say oh these skeptics are blind or do not wish to see, but it is you that are the one that refuses to see that there is nothing special in any of the pictures you are showing. You also say you are willing to admit that you may be 99% wrong well admit it that you are 100% wrong because there is no magical creatures in your photos just trees, bushes and wild imagination.


I know you wish to cling to that hope that you have discovered something special but some times it is best to be realistic and face the facts.
GypsyWolf
Its all a matter of perception... some people wouldn't believe if one of them hopped on their kitchen table and swam about in their oatmeal. I will admit that in some of your pictures I don't see it--- I do after it's pointed out but not right off. Just in that particular picture it was obviously plain to me. You know, people don't get this much flack for posting ghost images which I see nothing-- nothing but lens flare and sun spots.

We all have our beliefs, everyone's entitled to their own and that's what makes this world go around. People who do not share that belief or even really understand it, should be polite enough to just hold their tongue and walk away. To tell someone that their insane, misguided, wrong or any other negative comment about their belief system is simply rude, immature, and unhealthy. Our religions, beliefs are what get us through our lives and our day-- to stomp on that is wrong.

I have my own set of beliefs that some 'fairy' sightings might actually be angelic beings. Let me take you inside Gypsy's World for a moment. I believe there is one God-- and only one. He made this Earth and everything on it, the water, the trees, animals,people-- and yes I believe he sent forth spirits of all kinds, animal guides, angels, etc. to gaurd his world-- so fairies are not that far fetched to me. yes, their is a darker side as well, it is only the balance of things that were there is light there is dark. That includes dark and not so nice spirits, 'demons' if you will. So yes, I believe all things are possible with God. Even my Cherokee heritage had fairy lore in it-- although their not refferred to as fairy-- upon closer inspection that's exactly what they were.

No, I won't debate my religion with any of you-- it is my own. I will chat about it with open minded intelligent people, openly in fact. As for Starchy, you keep up the fairy hunting if that's what your heart tells you you should, and be blessed that you can see them when no one else can.

Ya'll have a Happy New Years.
Juan2k7nyc
wow starchy nice one you just do random outlines of things that are not there.......i can make any thing i want appear in your pictures even Bigfoot eating a Big mac ........
starchy
GypsyWolf, you have a lovely and wonderful philosophy, it makes my heart glad that people like you exist, and your spirituality seems deeply routed within you, and your origins, thank you for your kind words. You too will see, if your heart so desires it! I see so much amazing stuff out in the countryside, in nature, wondrous and enchanted things, there's another world out there.

This one struck me as a faerie asleep seemingly half stuck in a tree, I couldn't resist the Shakespeare. Happy New Year
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TehGrant
looks like some lawn ornamantes or something doesnt look real at all but i do see them
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (starchy @ Dec 31 2007, 04:03 PM) *
GypsyWolf, you have a lovely and wonderful philosophy, it makes my heart glad that people like you exist, and your spirituality seems deeply routed within you, and your origins, thank you for your kind words. You too will see, if your heart so desires it! I see so much amazing stuff out in the countryside, in nature, wondrous and enchanted things, there's another world out there.

This one struck me as a faerie asleep seemingly half stuck in a tree, I couldn't resist the Shakespeare. Happy New Year
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I see a piece of cheese. Cheddar I think.
Incorrigible1
Sharp focus would have been appropriate, since the subject was asleep. But no, we get another blurry "fairysquatch."
GypsyWolf
QUOTE (starchy @ Dec 31 2007, 10:03 PM) *
GypsyWolf, you have a lovely and wonderful philosophy, it makes my heart glad that people like you exist, and your spirituality seems deeply routed within you, and your origins, thank you for your kind words. You too will see, if your heart so desires it! I see so much amazing stuff out in the countryside, in nature, wondrous and enchanted things, there's another world out there.

This one struck me as a faerie asleep seemingly half stuck in a tree, I couldn't resist the Shakespeare. Happy New Year
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I see what you're seeing, but what has my attention is about half way up the tree-- it looks somewhat like an orb or some ectoplasmic residue..

And thanks for your reply *winks*, I just try to be fair to everyone..
chaoszerg
So that is supposed to be a fairy asleep?



I guess Blurry camera syndrome strikes again no.gif
Aristocrates
try taking some videos instead of pictures and see what you find thumbsup.gif
SteveLove
There was nothing in the photos at all. Just wishful thinking.
starchy
A Puck are you not he?
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FAIRY
Either I mistake your shape and making quite,
Or else you are that shrewd and knavish sprite
Called Robin Goodfellow. Are not you he
That frights the maidens of the villagery,
Skim milk, and sometimes labour in the quern,
And bootless make the breathless housewife churn,
And sometime make the drink to bear no barm,
Mislead night-wanders, laughing at their harm?
Those that Hobgoblin call you, and sweet Puck,
You do their work, and they shall have good luck.
Are you not he?
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PUCK
Thou speakest aright;
I am that merry wanderer of the night.
I jest to Oberon, and make him smile
When I a fat and bean-fed horse beguile,
Neighing in likeness of a filly foal;
And sometime lurk I in a gossip's bowl
In very likeness of a roasted crab,
And when she drinks, against her lips I bob
And on her withered dewlap pour the ale.
The wisest aunt, telling the saddest tale,
Sometime for three-foot stool mistaketh me;
Then slip I from her bum, down topples she,
And 'tailor' cries, and falls into a cough;
And then the whole quire hold their hips and laugh,
And waxen in their mirth, and neeze, and swear
A merrier hour was never wasted there.

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Puck makes a speech explaining his actions which serves to trivialize the play itself if it has offended the audience (& perhaps Mr Zealot Bigot the skeptic on here lol)

If we shadows have offended,
Think but this, and all is mended,
That you have but slumber'd here
While these visions did appear.
And this weak and idle theme,
No more yielding but a dream,
Gentles, do not reprehend:
if you pardon, we will mend:
And, as I am an honest Puck,
If we have unearned luck
Now to 'scape the serpent's tongue,
We will make amends ere long;
Else the Puck a liar call;
So, good night unto you all.
Give me your hands, if we be friends,
And Robin shall restore amends. (Act v. Scene i.)

Puck apologizes to the audience (& internet skeptics LOL) for anything that might have offended them and suggests that they pretend it was a dream.

Original
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chaoszerg
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Here is a tree.



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Now here is the same picture with Mr pip the tree sprite


See I can play with inverting the colours of the picture also.
Incorrigible1
It's blatantly obvious Starchy is a maroon.
Agent. Mulder
starchy is one who wants to believe, even when he is looking at nothing at all, he'll try and find Something. Anything. its a tree, but he sees an elf.
almost like the rorschach tests, with the inkblots. except each time he sees them, its a elf, a gnome, a fairy or something like that.
and like someone had posted before, he just puts his fingers in his ears when he doesnt like what he hears. or when reality comes.
GypsyWolf
Again I reinterate... it is okay to be skeptic. In fact, it's healthy. But these rude comments and name calling-- come on are you all ten? Just, stop coming tot he thread-- wow I can't believe how simple that is.

chaoszerg
QUOTE (GypsyWolf @ Jan 1 2008, 09:26 PM) *
Again I reinterate... it is okay to be skeptic. In fact, it's healthy. But these rude comments and name calling-- come on are you all ten? Just, stop coming tot he thread-- wow I can't believe how simple that is.




My appologise lets just all play make believe.


We are just trying to show that it is not a gnome or elf or faerie.


If someone is going to post stuff like this expect people to debate it and prove it wrong, or show how easy it is to fake it.
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE (GypsyWolf @ Jan 1 2008, 09:26 PM) *
Again I reinterate... it is okay to be skeptic. In fact, it's healthy. But these rude comments and name calling-- come on are you all ten? Just, stop coming tot he thread-- wow I can't believe how simple that is.


i dont know about everyone else, but apparenty starchys ten.
so were just copying them
GypsyWolf
well ten or not-- I am against stepping on someones beliefs. They say dogs can se things humans can't so why isn't it possible? Maybe he does see something?

Agent. Mulder
QUOTE (GypsyWolf @ Jan 2 2008, 08:06 PM) *
well ten or not-- I am against stepping on someones beliefs. They say dogs can se things humans can't so why isn't it possible? Maybe he does see something?


.....so hes a dog?...............

its just, when they show pictures, with Nothing in them, its not that i dont Want to see it, its the fact that i Cant.
some of the pictures ive seen on the web, i can make out things, little 'creatures' in them maybe.
but what hes shown, is Nothing at all.
GypsyWolf
Well no he's not a dog. Lol, but see I can understand where you're coming from though-- see, I'm color blind. I can't see certain shades of green but that doesn't mean it's not there, just means it's gray or slightly blue to me. Who knows... I do see a few little things in Starchy's pics. Am I 100% sure its a fairy, no. Could it be an angelic presence or maybe ectoplasmic residue? Yes. Could it be the light reflection? Maybe. I admit in some pics I don't see anything at all-- but its alll about the perception. And I believe Starchy is seeing SOMETHING because he's still very dedicated to it... and so we shouldn't discourage him.
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE (GypsyWolf @ Jan 2 2008, 08:53 PM) *
And I believe Starchy is seeing SOMETHING because he's still very dedicated to it... and so we shouldn't discourage him.


ok, true. i just think hes almost going too far at times. like putting up a picture, and saying how great it is. then we dont even know what were supposed to be looking at, because they havent said anything about it. somewhat annoying. but i know, this isnt a place for bashing beliefs.
Incorrigible1
QUOTE (Agent. Mulder @ Jan 2 2008, 02:55 PM) *
ok, true. i just think hes almost going too far at times. like putting up a picture, and saying how great it is. then we dont even know what were supposed to be looking at, because they havent said anything about it. somewhat annoying. but i know, this isnt a place for bashing beliefs.

It seems to me a little self-policing of our ranks is a good thing. When someone makes a horrendously idiotic posting, I've on occasion pointed out how horrendously idiotic it was. By its nature, this crypto forum attracts its share of odd ducks, no? If and when I post something stupid, I expect to be called on it, too.

Starchy polluted another forum or two on U-M previously, with his silly photos of nothing. When it's mentioned there's nothing in his photos, he defends them by insulting those pointing out just how silly his photos are. However, GypsyWolf, you're correct in that I might be a little more polite when I point out to Starchy he's posting pictures of things that only exist within his own mind. And so, Starchy, I apologize for having been rude to you in some of my previous postings.
GypsyWolf
I am willing to admit that these forum DO attract a few questionable sorts and maybe there are a few stories that should not be posted in forums-- and if you do-- yes people will attack it. I have two such experiences that people are begging me to post and I won't because I don't want everyone to think I'm a complete nut. So to be fair, Starchy-- from now on-- instead of using color inversion of the fairies themselves-- circle the area and maybe that will help focus the eyes better without looking like a trick of the eye. I mean that's resonable right?
starchy
Apologies accepted, please accept mine in return.

I see so much stuff in amazing clarity but I've come to accept very few else do, and I know I'll be personally attacked over it. I don't post it all as genuine all my images are offered as "strictly potential only", the viewer should decide of his or her own volition whether they see it or believe its there from the picture only, and should not be swayed by anyone. Make your own mind us an free-minded individual as you should about anything in life.

I believe its there, I swear on the Holy Bible that Its there, so much I perceive but I know others simply cannot, and it fits exactly absolutely with things of myth and legend that people have been seeing for years. Only so much I cannot show because others just simply cannot see it.

Here's an example where I'm sure no-one else can see anything but to me its dripping with the ethereal type I call The Fae, the Fae wear hats a bit like Leprauchauns. I've been experimenting for some time to try and get them to manifest themselves so I set up some bait of a Flapjack cake on a Sarsen stone at a mystical site (think Stonehenge but better). and waited in a bush for them to show up with my camera. I saw them flock around it!

In this image I see so many partial faces of The Fae, all eyeing up my cake on the standing stone. One is right above the cake just slightly to the left. I had so hoped one would materialize and take it, and waited a while but they did not, so I left the site and came back, few minutes later and the cake was gone!!!

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GypsyWolf
I see it original.gif.. I see exactly what you mean-- its on the right there just behind some leaves. That does look a tad odd...
Wootloops
Do you intentionally take blurred photos so that it is easier for you to make things out of them? And when you say that "I saw them flock around it!", do you see them with your eyes or do you in a way "sense" their presence? Because you say that you hope one would materialize and take the cake, so how could you see them "flock around it" if they had not yet materialized?
chaoszerg
Actually I am interested in why you take blurry photos? thumbsup.gif
SteveLove
There is nothing in these photos at all. I'm surprised Gypsy Wolf fell into your little game of blurred photos and seeing what you want to. Actually Im not surprised.
GypsyWolf
Hey, I just said I see what he's talking about. I have no idea what it is... looks like a small glowing blue light? I'm not 100% sure what it is-- but it IS there...
Wootloops
If you are talking about that little blue light just to the top right of the cake, then what you are seeing is the blue sky peering through the trees.
chaoszerg
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Those are the things I see and they are nothing special just trees and bushes and as for the blue lights they look like flowers.


I spotted

Demon head

humanoid

blue lights

face
Agent. Mulder
^ those blue lights could easily be flowers
Wootloops
When I first looked at the photo I did see what chaoszerg labeled as a face. Though I am absolutely certain that if the photo was clear, there would be no face and it be shown as what it really was, leaves.
GypsyWolf
QUOTE (starchy @ Jan 2 2008, 11:18 PM) *
Apologies accepted, please accept mine in return.

I see so much stuff in amazing clarity but I've come to accept very few else do, and I know I'll be personally attacked over it. I don't post it all as genuine all my images are offered as "strictly potential only", the viewer should decide of his or her own volition whether they see it or believe its there from the picture only, and should not be swayed by anyone. Make your own mind us an free-minded individual as you should about anything in life.

I believe its there, I swear on the Holy Bible that Its there, so much I perceive but I know others simply cannot, and it fits exactly absolutely with things of myth and legend that people have been seeing for years. Only so much I cannot show because others just simply cannot see it.

Here's an example where I'm sure no-one else can see anything but to me its dripping with the ethereal type I call The Fae, the Fae wear hats a bit like Leprauchauns. I've been experimenting for some time to try and get them to manifest themselves so I set up some bait of a Flapjack cake on a Sarsen stone at a mystical site (think Stonehenge but better). and waited in a bush for them to show up with my camera. I saw them flock around it!

In this image I see so many partial faces of The Fae, all eyeing up my cake on the standing stone. One is right above the cake just slightly to the left. I had so hoped one would materialize and take it, and waited a while but they did not, so I left the site and came back, few minutes later and the cake was gone!!!

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What I'm seeing is not the sky--- unless the picture is upside down.. and looking closer it could be a flower or something....but none the less I SEE it.
Wootloops
The forestation may not be dense at all. For all we know it may only be a few trees thick. If you look to the top of the photograph, you see the sky. In very top left area of the photograph where the sky is clear, as you look more and more to the left, the sky merges with the treeline, creating a similar effect as below. Once again, if the photograph was clear, the culprit would be obvious.
SteveLove
Anyone who sees something there just sees it because they want to. It's like a Roshock (sp?). People believe what they want to and this is a classic example. Those who believe in fairys have a more likely chance of seeing it.

Fairys were never even suppose to have wings anyway. The original MYTH was that they were just very small people.
Agent. Mulder
^ rorschach
and yeah, i mentioned that earlier. thats kinda whats going on with him on here.
starchy
Thank you all for the help in trying to understand why I see the things I see. This is a much better way of trying to fight with you all, I'm happy to be wrong, I'm just looking for answers, whether its inkblot, paredolia, wishful thinking or genuine I appreciate all your advice and I do listen.

What I'd like to do is run you through the full process I go thru, when I look for things in an image. Please please point out where I am going wrong or what it is that somehow puts my own interpretation on a seemingly random image. I would love to know why it is I see the stuff I do, and I will go through the complete step by step process with you here.

OK this image is from my special place that I think I see the things I call The Fae. This image below is a cut from a bigger image and shows a gap between standing stones or "Sarsens", I have not modified or adapted this image in anyway exept crop it from the original.
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See anything fishy? I do here so here is my process to enhance it. I use OSX and for my image editor I use open source Gimp, its similar to photoshop and the functionality is in some ways the same. The first thing I do is to highlight the region I think I see something with a Lasso tool, and then I choose - Layer - Colors - Stretch HSV. That's all and I get this.
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The next thing I do, is with the region still highlighted, I choose - Layer - Colors _ Stretch Contrast. That's all, and I get this.
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After this I do - Layer - Colors - Brightness and Contrast, that's all and I get this.
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Then finally I run an Unsharp mask on the selected region.
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I know that selectively highlighting and enhancing regions in an image will make it look like there is something there when there isn't, but its the detail I see that throws me, I mean buckles on hats and everything? Could I just be getting lucky with a normal landscape area that resembles, a mythical creature and my enhancements just make it look like it more. Or am I right? Please let me know your thoughts!!!
Incorrigible1
Why don't you focus sharply?
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