starchy
Jan 3 2008, 10:28 PM
Being slightly de-focused helps me to see the anomalies, my eyesight isn't perfect and it comes thru on my images, which I take manually.
starchy
Jan 3 2008, 10:34 PM
I've just thought, perhaps this is where I'm going wrong? Maybe sharping up an region of a blurred image will make it more contrastable at its existing depth of field, and therefore make seem more prounounced and as a consequence real? Any image experts out there?
Incorrigible1
Jan 3 2008, 10:41 PM
How can you sharpen the focus of an already blurry photo? Why not blur a sharply focused photo, instead?
GypsyWolf
Jan 3 2008, 10:42 PM
QUOTE (starchy @ Jan 3 2008, 10:34 PM)

I've just thought, perhaps this is where I'm going wrong? Maybe sharping up an region of a blurred image will make it more contrastable at its existing depth of field, and therefore make seem more prounounced and as a consequence real? Any image experts out there?
I've taken hundreds of orb shots, and yes I was trying to capture them as you do fae. You may do better taking a sharper more focued picture, or it MAY be your camera. I have recently learned-- the hard way-- that digital cameras tend to distort things and pixelate-- causing an 'orb' or "fairy" like image. This is by NO MEANS proof its not there, it simply imitates the effect these beings have. So try using a regular camera if you're using digi-- and focus a bit better..
Incorrigible1
Jan 3 2008, 10:46 PM
Also, Starchy, I see you're utilizing flickr to post your photos. I utilize Photobucket, and am able to edit posted photos to a size suitable to bulletin boards/forums. Does your flicker account allow such size editing?
starchy
Jan 3 2008, 10:48 PM
The processes I described above do exactly that, (as far as my understanding goes), stretching the HSV & Contrast and then tweeking brightness and contrast, before finally running an Unsharp Mask, which as far as I know is really a Macro to run a slight blurring filter on the region/image, which smooth's out any imperfection or re-pixalisises, and then runs a sharpening filter on the same area. The net result that I think happens is that an overall averaging and sharpening happens on a blurred image.
starchy
Jan 3 2008, 10:51 PM
Not sure what u mean by size editing. Flickr allows a small medium and large size, based on the size of the image uploaded, if the size is too big I know it scales it back. I'll open an account on photobucket from now and use them if you recommend it, + remember to read the FAQ's on image size.
starchy
Jan 3 2008, 11:09 PM
GypsyWolf (do I know you, you seem somehow familiar?)
I know what you mean about sphere's and orbs, I see many on pictures but I don't see them by naked eye, and wonder if they are just an artifact of the camera. Here is a shot of a mountain that to me looks like it has a face in certain light, directly above the peak of this mountain a friend pointed out an orb to me on the picture, that I never saw when I took this!! I don't know if this is genuine or not, maybe a camera artifact? The image below is a blow up of the Orb. I don't like discussing orb stuff much as I think its too out there and strange, however I do see them when I see apparitions of things I must admit, but not always so easy to see.

cowspwn
Jan 3 2008, 11:13 PM
hey im kinda new to the whole fairy stuff, ive never heard it before. im glad that i do now though. so have any of you been able to communicate with them? or do they just run away when you try?
those two girls from the 19th century did right? or were they actually lying?
Agent. Mulder
Jan 3 2008, 11:15 PM
QUOTE (cowspwn @ Jan 3 2008, 11:13 PM)

hey im kinda new to the whole fairy stuff, ive never heard it before. im glad that i do now though. so have any of you been able to communicate with them? or do they just run away when you try?
those two girls from the 19th century did right? or were they actually lying?
if youre talking about those fairy photos they have, theyre prove fakes
cowspwn
Jan 3 2008, 11:19 PM
QUOTE (Agent. Mulder @ Jan 3 2008, 03:15 PM)

if youre talking about those fairy photos they have, theyre prove fakes
well what about the people here who've seen them?
edit: maybe i was unclear, i wasnt questioning the credibility of the old black and white photos, but was referring my previous questions to the people here in the forum.
GypsyWolf
Jan 3 2008, 11:26 PM
Mmmm, well seeing fairies is pretty tough with the naked eye-- like orbs. I don't think I've ever seen them in person, I believe their actually angelic apparitins mostly but Im not disproving them at all..
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Jan 3 2008, 11:27 PM
QUOTE (cowspwn @ Jan 3 2008, 05:19 PM)

well what about the people here who've seen them?
edit: maybe i was unclear, i wasnt questioning the credibility of the old black and white photos, but was referring my previous questions to the people here in the forum.
Lets see. Perhaps: liars, hoaxers, being mistaken(that is most of it), want to believe too much, mental issues. Pick one.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Jan 3 2008, 11:28 PM
QUOTE (GypsyWolf @ Jan 3 2008, 04:42 PM)

I've taken hundreds of orb shots, and yes I was trying to capture them as you do fae. You may do better taking a sharper more focued picture, or it MAY be your camera. I have recently learned-- the hard way-- that digital cameras tend to distort things and pixelate-- causing an 'orb' or "fairy" like image. This is by NO MEANS proof its not there, it simply imitates the effect these beings have. So try using a regular camera if you're using digi-- and focus a bit better..
Dust and plays on light.
starchy
Jan 3 2008, 11:38 PM
First one I saw with the eye was at place called Powerscourt Waterfall in Ireland 9 years ago. I sat on a rock watching a waterfall next to a run-off water pool, that was calm and smooth and still, until I saw something fly past me 10" from my head to the right and make a giant sploosh in the water. I looked round and I saw (so briefly) the most amazing thing, a translucent, (like see through translucent, nearly invisible) leprauchaun, 4 foot high with a beard and hat, sitting right beside me. I saw him throw another rock into the water whilst giving me the biggest grin, I'd ever seen and then he vanished into nothing, just popped off. For years I thought I imaged it or was suffering a memtal illness, I never spoke of it. Now I know!
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Jan 3 2008, 11:47 PM
QUOTE (starchy @ Jan 3 2008, 05:38 PM)

First one I saw with the eye was at place called Powerscourt Waterfall in Ireland 9 years ago. I sat on a rock watching a waterfall next to a run-off water pool, that was calm and smooth and still, until I saw something fly past me 10" from my head to the right and make a giant sploosh in the water. I looked round and I saw (so briefly) the most amazing thing, a translucent, (like see through translucent, nearly invisible) leprauchaun, 4 foot high with a beard and hat, sitting right beside me. I saw him throw another rock into the water whilst giving me the biggest grin, I'd ever seen and then he vanished into nothing, just popped off. For years I thought I imaged it or was suffering a memtal illness, I never spoke of it. Now I know!
Initial impressions may be right.

Geesh, 4 foot Leprauchaun. This thread has officailly jumped the shark.
cowspwn
Jan 4 2008, 12:26 AM
so can we ignore the nuisances for a second and get my question answered?
has alisa or someone else here spoken with a fairy? or do they run away when they are approached?
Agent. Mulder
Jan 4 2008, 12:55 AM
QUOTE (cowspwn @ Jan 4 2008, 12:26 AM)

so can we ignore the nuisances for a second and get my question answered?
has alisa or someone else here spoken with a fairy? or do they run away when they are approached?
well, alota people say they leave/run away in the presence of humans.
but apparently, those girls took pictures of them while they were flying around them. so do they stay? cant tell, because the pics are fakes.
so, who knows. theyd have to exist to find out.
SteveLove
Jan 4 2008, 12:56 AM
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Jan 3 2008, 07:47 PM)

Initial impressions may be right.

Geesh, 4 foot Leprauchaun. This thread has officailly jumped the shark.
Yes they are real because kids with a hyperactive imagination say they are!
starchy
Jan 4 2008, 12:58 AM
I've never communicated with one, although I think I came close, I was in a field on a walk and something happened that made me think others were there, I then asked questions aloud and I thought I heard an answer to some stuff but couldn't be sure. I did have my camera and I heard something strange spun around in motion and I got this one.

which is a cut of the original.
highlighted

zoomed in

I call it Oberon King of the Fae!
Agent. Mulder
Jan 4 2008, 01:01 AM
ok, starchy. PLEASE, just say 'i know theres nothing here, in my blurry pics. However, i tend to see objects creatures in them. thats just my opinion of the pic'. like the rorschach ink tests.
then, everyone will be happy.
Incorrigible1
Jan 4 2008, 01:03 AM
QUOTE (Agent. Mulder @ Jan 3 2008, 07:01 PM)

ok, starchy. PLEASE, just say 'i know theres nothing here, in my blurry pics. However, i tend to see objects creatures in them. thats just my opinion of the pic'. like the rorschach ink tests.
then, everyone will be happy.
Noted! Enough is enough, you see things, we don't. Can we leave it at that, and discontinue your photo blitz? Please?
starchy
Jan 4 2008, 01:08 AM
No problem, you got it (but don't you want to see this stuff though?)
""'i know theres nothing here, in my blurry pics. However, i tend to see objects creatures in them. thats just my opinion of the pic'. like the rorschach ink tests/""
and I'll post no more pictures if that's what you want! Please may I ask why though?
Agent. Mulder
Jan 4 2008, 01:26 AM
QUOTE (starchy @ Jan 4 2008, 01:08 AM)

No problem, you got it (but don't you want to see this stuff though?)
""'i know theres nothing here, in my blurry pics. However, i tend to see objects creatures in them. thats just my opinion of the pic'. like the rorschach ink tests/""
and I'll post no more pictures if that's what you want! Please may I ask why though?
my only complaint is, you show us pics of nothing. just claiming you can see things in them. which is fine for you, i dont mind that much. just soooooo many get annoying. and its not even like theyre those old fairy photos with the girls. id almost prefer you posting things like that. as opposed to bushes, where we see nothing.
(and trust me, my imagination is quite vivid).
starchy
Jan 4 2008, 01:51 AM
You really honestly don't see anything? Hand on the Bible & swear to God? In all the ones I've posted to date?
This is the bit that amazes me, please don't take this the wrong way, but I honestly see so much, in the pictures I've posted, more than beyond reasonable for me how can you not.
You see nothing in this one. seriously? You dont see a crowned head with eyes and a natty beard (goaty beard), seriously I didn't think it was more obvious. Shall I draw it in, what I'm seeing?

Your hand on the Holy Bible, seen nothing in any of them??
If you honestly don't then I'm shocked, does anyone? Maybe this is the issue, its genuine madness on my part and no-one else sees, in which case I apologize so much, but I know I'm not mad!!
Incorrigible1
Jan 4 2008, 01:54 AM
I don't think you're mad, but I don't see a damned thing. Sorry.
cowspwn
Jan 4 2008, 01:59 AM
i see them in about one eighth of the pics...
i wish my eyes were more sensitive to these things.
starchy
Jan 4 2008, 02:01 AM
You really do not see it? well I apologize profusely, to me it jumps out so apparent and so clear. I do have a high res screen and I'm working with the originals but i guess you wont see it. Sorry to waste your time, but I really do see it.
SteveLove
Jan 4 2008, 02:26 AM
I really think this topic should be locked for wasting our time. You see what you want starchy, but in reality there is nothing there.
Quade
Jan 4 2008, 11:56 AM
Sorry, but the photos seem fake and the ones that you've drawn around dont even look like fairies. The fact that you have drawn around where they "supposedly" are doesn't help. It just tries to get people to see what isn't there.
chaoszerg
Jan 4 2008, 12:08 PM
QUOTE
i know there's nothing here, in my blurry pics.
Then why are you continuing to waste everyone's time by posting blurry pictures?
QUOTE
However, i tend to see objects creatures in them.
You are just taking random blobs or shapes and then claiming them to be fairies or gnomes or other magical creatures because the shape may seem like one. You admit there is nothing in your photos.
QUOTE
Please may I ask why though?
Because it is a waste of time. The pics are blurry and you are just naming random blobs and shapes.
Take some clear pictures instead of playing make believe with blurry ones.
NatalieK
Jan 4 2008, 12:23 PM
QUOTE (starchy @ Jan 4 2008, 11:58 AM)

I call it Oberon King of the Fae!
I don't know if you're being serious or joking around, however...
You're not going mad Starchy, I'm going under the assumption that someone has mentioned pareidolia already, which is a very real phenomenon no matter how overused people seem to think the term is around here. Seeing figures in the clouds for example - we may visualise a horse in the clouds however it doesn't actually mean there's a horse up there. Just because you perceive figures in leaves or trees or rocks, does not mean that those figures are actually there. It's all your own perception.
chaoszerg
Jan 4 2008, 12:59 PM
QUOTE (starchy @ Jan 4 2008, 12:58 AM)


I call it Oberon King of the Fae!
I call it blurry blob.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Jan 4 2008, 03:49 PM
QUOTE (starchy @ Jan 3 2008, 07:08 PM)

No problem, you got it (but don't you want to see this stuff though?)
""'i know theres nothing here, in my blurry pics. However, i tend to see objects creatures in them. thats just my opinion of the pic'. like the rorschach ink tests/""
and I'll post no more pictures if that's what you want! Please may I ask why though?
Really. Please, please don't post anymoe.
starchy
Jan 4 2008, 10:03 PM
What not even pictures like these?

I don't understand, if my pictures are just shapes I make up out of trees and bushes and rocks, what's the big deal about posting them? Surely if they are worthless then what does it matter to you, if I post them or not? What's the big deal? Or is because you don't want this stuff shown. Are you scared little skeptic???
There are other worlds with other things in just at the edge of human perception, hidden from us, why can't you accept this?
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Jan 4 2008, 10:06 PM
QUOTE (starchy @ Jan 4 2008, 04:03 PM)

What not even pictures like these?

I don't understand, if my pictures are just shapes I make up out of trees and bushes and rocks, what's the big deal about posting them? Surely if they are worthless then what does it matter to you, if I post them or not? What's the big deal? Or is because you don't want this stuff shown. Are you scared little skeptic???
There are other worlds with other things in just at the edge of human perception, hidden from us, why can't you accept this?
You said if he asked. So I figured I would give it a try. I knew it wouldn't work.
chaoszerg
Jan 4 2008, 10:14 PM
QUOTE
I don't understand, if my pictures are just shapes I make up out of trees and bushes and rocks, what's the big deal about posting them? Surely if they are worthless then what does it matter to you, if I post them or not? What's the big deal? Or is because you don't want this stuff shown.
This is a unexplained mysteries site you are in the cryptology section showing blobs and blurry photos of trees and rocks.
You have even said that there is nothing in your photos so It is a waste of time and takes up bandwidth.
You are wasting everyone's time and obviously want people to go OoOoOoO we agree with you.
Please go and take some clear pictures and show us your faeries or gnomes and goblins so we can see if they are real, just stop with the blurry pictures already it makes you look like you are 9.
SteveLove
Jan 4 2008, 10:52 PM
I see president Bush in one of the photos. Guess he must've been creeping around
Wallydraigle
Jan 5 2008, 01:23 AM
QUOTE (chaoszerg @ Jan 4 2008, 05:14 PM)

This is a unexplained mysteries site you are in the cryptology section showing blobs and blurry photos of trees and rocks. You have even said that there is nothing in your photos so It is a waste of time and takes up bandwidth.
You are wasting everyone's time and obviously want people to go OoOoOoO we agree with you.
Please go and take some clear pictures and show us your faeries or gnomes and goblins so we can see if they are real, just stop with the blurry pictures already it makes you look like you are 9.
To be fair, all anyone ever does here is post blurry pics of rocks and trees and stuff anyway
madelinefrances
Jan 5 2008, 05:05 AM
starchy!!
the one on the side isnt nearly as visible as the one you didnt enhance in the demo.
in the middle.
he/she is sitting with knees up.
can you see??
full brown / rusty when untouched??
it was 23 paGES ago but ive only just found this forum.
QUOTE (starchy @ Jan 4 2008, 09:18 AM)

Thank you all for the help in trying to understand why I see the things I see. This is a much better way of trying to fight with you all, I'm happy to be wrong, I'm just looking for answers, whether its inkblot, paredolia, wishful thinking or genuine I appreciate all your advice and I do listen.
What I'd like to do is run you through the full process I go thru, when I look for things in an image. Please please point out where I am going wrong or what it is that somehow puts my own interpretation on a seemingly random image. I would love to know why it is I see the stuff I do, and I will go through the complete step by step process with you here.
OK this image is from my special place that I think I see the things I call The Fae. This image below is a cut from a bigger image and shows a gap between standing stones or "Sarsens", I have not modified or adapted this image in anyway exept crop it from the original.

See anything fishy? I do here so here is my process to enhance it. I use OSX and for my image editor I use open source Gimp, its similar to photoshop and the functionality is in some ways the same. The first thing I do is to highlight the region I think I see something with a Lasso tool, and then I choose - Layer - Colors - Stretch HSV. That's all and I get this.

The next thing I do, is with the region still highlighted, I choose - Layer - Colors _ Stretch Contrast. That's all, and I get this.

After this I do - Layer - Colors - Brightness and Contrast, that's all and I get this.

Then finally I run an Unsharp mask on the selected region.

I know that selectively highlighting and enhancing regions in an image will make it look like there is something there when there isn't, but its the detail I see that throws me, I mean buckles on hats and everything? Could I just be getting lucky with a normal landscape area that resembles, a mythical creature and my enhancements just make it look like it more. Or am I right? Please let me know your thoughts!!!
GypsyWolf
Jan 5 2008, 05:14 AM
wow-- I see it now too--
Incorrigible1
Jan 5 2008, 06:49 AM
QUOTE (GypsyWolf @ Jan 4 2008, 11:14 PM)

wow-- I see it now too--
Harvey the rabbit?
She-ra
Jan 5 2008, 08:09 AM
B and I see nothing. Everything's fake.
chaoszerg
Jan 5 2008, 09:22 AM
QUOTE (She-ra @ Jan 5 2008, 08:09 AM)

B and I see nothing. Everything's fake.
He has already admitted there is nothing in his pictures.
chaoszerg
Jan 5 2008, 10:03 AM
Sorry for the double post but here is where he admits there is nothing in his photos and that he is just seeing obejects and creatures in them just like the ink tests. There is no unexplained mystery here just make believe.
QUOTE (starchy @ Jan 4 2008, 01:08 AM)

No problem, you got it (but don't you want to see this stuff though?)
""'i know theres nothing here, in my blurry pics. However, i tend to see objects creatures in them. thats just my opinion of the pic'. like the rorschach ink tests/""
and I'll post no more pictures if that's what you want! Please may I ask why though?
Agent. Mulder
Jan 5 2008, 07:32 PM
QUOTE (starchy @ Jan 4 2008, 10:03 PM)

There are other worlds with other things in just at the edge of human perception, hidden from us, why can't you accept this?
because we cant see it? and it hasnt really been proven (i dont think).
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Jan 5 2008, 07:36 PM
QUOTE (Agent. Mulder @ Jan 5 2008, 01:32 PM)

because we cant see it? and it hasnt really been proven (i dont think).
Starchy kind of makes you want to be a skeptic. Huh?
Agent. Mulder
Jan 5 2008, 08:45 PM
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Jan 5 2008, 07:36 PM)

Starchy kind of makes you want to be a skeptic. Huh?

ha, yeah. and hes doing a good job.....................its scary
madelinefrances
Jan 5 2008, 11:23 PM
QUOTE (GypsyWolf @ Jan 5 2008, 04:14 PM)

wow-- I see it now too--
yer! in the middle there?
hold on...for you people that 'cant' see it.
i dont wanna select and saturate it so i'll just put a box around it.
Click to view attachment
Agent. Mulder
Jan 5 2008, 11:30 PM
QUOTE (madelinefrances @ Jan 5 2008, 11:23 PM)

yer! in the middle there?
hold on...for you people that 'cant' see it.
i dont wanna select and saturate it so i'll just put a box around it.
Click to view attachmentso is it the little face from the bushes?
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