Like Ericraven says...skeptics make the world a smarter place


The majority don't believe it...There are some educated people called SKEPTICS...


And what are you, a tantrum-throwing little boy who can't take criticism and logic from mopre educated peers? If you can't live with the truth, you should crawl back to your mommy.

Not all non-skeptics are uneducated, and not all skeptics are educated. Perhaps skepticism and belief has less to do with education, and more to do with psychology. Personally, I have learned to think critically and I prefer evidence, but I have also learned to avoid being skeptical/cynical by insisting that all there is to know has already been found, or even by denying the existence of anything. There are only degrees of certainty in the scientific method of study. Even if it is 99.9% at times, it is not absolute.



Nice looking website Shadow Wolf (I will find time for a good look through it). I appreciate your opinion on the orb phenomenon, but why does disabling the flash matter, and how did you determine what were spirit orbs and what were not?

By the way, I started a new topic on orbs in "Ghosts, Hauntings & The Paranormal" so we can all share our evidence of orbs.

Look at yourselves people.

This is a beautiful thing. Seeing orbs, whether they are particles or spirits isn't harming Alisa and she knows that they are spirits. She doesn't need you to confirm it. Maybe she's at a more advanced level than you are. I envy her that she can see and experience these things. She has faith, and she doesn't need proof. This doesn't make her weird or stupid. If you can't see it, your loss.
I don't care if her pictures are valid or not. It's not like she's shoving it in your face, demanding you to belief what she believes. She hasn't even been rude at all. Give her some credit.

I agree, thats a good point, and its right. Somtimes belife is all we have. hehe

Oh hi Jim , Ive been thinking about that wolf . I think it might be a spirit,

I never said that.

There is a second image within the wolf picture. I interpret it to be a werewolf (part human part wolf). What do you guys think?

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Note: The left photo is from the original wolf photo (brightened and enlarged). In the right photo I have enhanced the figure's right eye and his "teeth".

I still just see trees...

Your mind makes you see what it wants to...

The highlighting also makes the mind see that...

Do you see the vampire I found in my photograph?

I highlighted it for you...

Here's the original:


Not to insult you Alisa, but I'm trying to show my point about the highlighting...

Yes, Frogfish, I see your point and accept your point of view. I still believe that my photos show spirits. I outline them for others who have not spent the time I have spent learning to see these imbedded images. Some people see them straight away without the highlighting, so I am not making the image up from scratch like your vampire.

Just like the young and old lady picture--which is it, an old lady or a young lady? The answer lies in the perception of the beholder, because it is both and probably even more. And our perception is our reality no matter who tells us we are wrong.



And I do appreciate your comments and criticism. I have to be kept on my toes.

Aye.

BTW, I always see the young lady for some reason...

if you stare at one picture for long enough, you are almost certain to see things that are not there. first it was the wolf, which i could 'see' (though im not stating that i believe its really a wolf spirit), and now there is also a werewolf ontop of the wolf? what are you going to see next after you look at the photo for a few more days, santa clause?

dust, pollen, and whatever else, appear larger the closer they are to your lens. They may look like they are behind something or further off, but that's just an illusion. That one where the orb is "nestled" in the palm tree? Well, it's not, its just a piece of something that was really close to your lense and it happened to be in front of the palm tree, which would make it look like its in the palm tree. The one orb is not behind the fence, it's right in front of the camera. I think I'm gonna go do some experimenting to prove a point. . .I'm gonna take my camera and take pictures tonight and I'm gonna try and get some "orbs".

Sorry to but in here, this particular post caught my attention.
I really think that some people, like yourself, see them straight away becasue they look for this sort of thing and believe in it. If you were to show Frogfish's picture to the same group of people, I would not mind betting several also see the Vampire, or something else. It kinda stikes me that you are doing the same thing as Frogfish, it is just that you offer the suggestion of what you see, then those who wish to believe also see it. For those who cannot, you highlight what you percieve. I also think this would help bias opinion toward

Just as an interesting experiment, it might be fun to pop a new, not see before photo on here of something not typical to your photography (we already know you believe these are werewolfs and fairies, so many will be looking for that) with no dialogue excepting asking what one sees in the photo. If we could find a third neutral party to tally the responses in secret to later release all responses at once, I think it would make for an interesting insight on peoples views when not biased by peers. My guess is we would have a large list of perceptions.
Our perception unfortunately is our reality in too many cases. It does not make our perception correct though, just one we feel we can believe. If one percieves an old woman in the pic, they are not wrong, they just didn't see the other.

Developing film uses many chemicals. Chemicals tend to dissapate in a circular fashion when mixed. I am thinking orbs could also be created accidentally during developing? Do we have any photgraphic nuts in here that still develop their own photos? Or are they simply digital prints, if so, have they all come from the same printer, it could have something n the drum/heads causing this. Not saying this is it, just a possibility that should be eliminated. I feel if one sticks to the priocess of elimination, eventually the only answer left must be correct. Even if that answer means faries exist Did I say that out loud?....

I seem to always see both? I look at the stole, move up and see what could be a chin or a nose and take it from there. Maybe we are schizophrenic WHO SAID THAT *looks around..*

Ahhh, I knew this was strongly reminding me of something

The 911 smoke demon!!

The media played on this one a lirttle, but seemed to give up pretty quickly. The theory was somewhat preposterous I suppose.

Wow, cool picture. I haven't seen that one before. I saw another one of 911 that people were saying was a demon. I think both that one and this one are not coincidental. Can't prove it, just think it.

And you are a bit of stirrer, aren't you (using a little lingo here)...



Very interesting... I like this idea. Not that any results would change my belief, because I can imagine that not everyone will see the same thing (they don't even when I share my pictures with the outlines). But out of interest/curiosity I think we should do this experiment. Do you think? I am happy to provide a new photo that has not been seen but contains phenomena (IMO of course).

As for the orbs, you can see a topic that I started in Ghosts, Hauntings & The Paranormal for various opinions and links.



Good one!

I think it is coincidence too. But coincidence that more than one person was able to make out something in the smoke plume. That is all it is. Sicko twisted terrorists killed all those innocent people. That is the grim reality of this situation. Not a smoke demon. The smoke demon could have caught it all on the telly, it was running 24/7. No need to go outside.



Stirrer, haven't copped that one before Hope you mean that I am stirring motivation Although I find the possibilities you put forward unlikely to an extreme, I repect the fact that you believe wholeheartedly, your attitude shows you hold a true belief. I enjoy this amicable debate.

I would be very interested, who would you consider a neautral party? Perhaps we could have each poster PM them with their opinions and have the 'counter' post the result.
Shame it would not sway your conviction at all. If the majority of people see different things, doesnt that also point the known facts toward Pareidolia?

You have asked what it would take for people in here to be convinced. What would it take for you to consider that faries do not exist? What proof would you consider acceptable?



Thanks will check it out. I have a lot of trouble wrapping my head around orbs at all. Why do you suppose that one ghost would appear as they did in life, yet another appears as a sphere?



I try to keep it a little light. I am a realist, but I acknowledge we still have masses on information to make sense of, let alone attempt to undestand new things to confuse us. Like to have a little tongue in cheek every now and then Its just the Aussie way!!
But I firmly do not believe the ridiculous line

"Anything is possible."

Cause it is just so wrong and promotes false hope.

Alisa: why does a wolf like image in a pic mean something supernatural to you? By what logic does the wolf image have to do anything with the spirit world?

You can pretty much see what you want to. In smoke, fire, clouds and in almost everyhting to do with nature, you can pretty much see images...as many as you'd like to.

Appreciate the fact that you have caught a wierd image on film but don't read too much into it. Cool pic though.

in other words, the ghost has to be solid, with evidence of the wound that killed it, holdin some kind of identification, and havin a living relative confirm its their dead relative. Geez, does no one have faith anymore? not every thing can be explained with science.

Thanks for that comment. That is a good question, really. I did not associate the spirit world with wolves at all, though I have since found out that there are plenty of spiritual links with wolves.

But why I identified the wolf with the spirit world is because I was taking photographs with the intent to capture spirits. I asked for any spirits willing, to please show up for me in my photograph. Then much later (after only seeing the orbs at first) when I finally saw the wolf, I decided it was a spirit or of the spirit world. I received varification through a dream.

Eeek... I almost missed this great post...



You are stirring something... Stirring emotion in a fun way. I think.

I think the face in the smoke is a spirit, hence it is real to me.

I am so happy that you give me so much respect despite the fact that you strongly disagree.



I am happy for you to be the collector of votes. Or we could set up a poll. That might be the easiest. We just have to word the question properly and add multiple choice. For example, in this photo do you see: a., b., c., or d. I can provide one of the choices as what I see in the photo to see if anyone hits it correctly. We can also make one of the choices "I see nothing specific in this photo"... if you think this would serve any purpose.



I think it is clever of you to turn this question around to me. I had not considered it, funny enough. Well... I had never given fairies a second thought until I took the photos. So I would easily have agreed that they probably aren't real before this year. However, now that I have photographed what I feel are fairies (or perhaps they are considered pixies), and also since I had a fairy-related experience (in the night, but not a dream), I can't ever turn my back on them. That might make your evidence gathering less rewarding, but surely you could convince others.

Ultimately though, if "the wolf" told me there were no fairies, then I'd believe.




I believe that spheres are the shape a spirit takes for travelling. I have photos of orbs that are unfurled into snakes that then roll back up into a ball to take off. I believe it is a geometrical issue.



You and your false hope worries. No worries, mate.

Whatever I am stirring, I hope it is positive to all and well recieved.
Just a theoretical question, do you think this was an evil entity? Accepting it as real is jumping the gun a bit. Could even be a photoshop production. In fact, I may have even been the one to do it...............

I can't help but respect you and your conviction. You are a polite person with very nice manners and with a great social nature. It is a pleasure to read your views and discuss possibilities and theories with you. I esceciallly like the way you have time to answer everyone's questions.
If I ever did consider this as a reality, it would be you or someone like yourself that presents the debate that would convince me.



Now why didn't I think of that. A poll would certainly be the way to go. If you would not mind too much PMing me the pic, I would be happy to offer a range of diverse selections to vote for

Shame I cannot convince you. Your arguments are well structured and you would make a good ally

I would be interested to hear your experience (that 100% convinced you), but could understand that this topic is quite lively, and you might like to wait for a more opportune time. Perhaps it is a tale worthy of more focus than it might recieve in this thread as well.



Hooowwwwllll.



Interesting theory. I always imagined such entities as more 'teleporting' than travelling. Popping in and out of dimensions would relinquish the need to travel I would think.



False hopes are a real worry. As I have said, I have had quite some contact through work with young people, married a lovely lady who had already had 4 children, and now I have 2 of my own.
I love being a Dad. My kids rock
Having such exposure to so many young men and women, I have seen many crushed by lack of self esteem, many never reach very real goals for the same reason. Lives destroyed by self esteem, false hopes and gullibility. I wish I could place more faith in the Human race, but unfortunatley, there are predators who prey on this. WIll is easily torn down by these problems.
The world is such a beautiful place, we should all be able to enjoy it to it's fullest. Not only some of us.

You stirrer! You do keep me on my toes though! Firstly, I don't think the face/entity is evil. If it is a fake, which I did not think it looked to be at the time, then you got me. But I still think you are just messin with me. I decided that my default setting in life is going to be set on innnocent until proven guilty. I give virtually everyone the benefit of the doubt, so on ocassion, I will get sucked in. No biggie. But I feel the odds are definitely in my favor. And if I do get fooled, that does not (to me) negate previous genuine instances (that I believe are genuine). Clear as mud?



Thanks for that. Means a lot to me.

You are too kind.

Hey, who knows? I feel quite firmly positioned, but I am always open to new evidence and new directions of thinking if I am convinced and compelled. Nothing more exciting than challenging the ole belief system.



Wish it was that interesting. It is a culmination of events over the last two years of daily searching, praying, pleading, looking and listening, not to mention reading stacks of books and tons of websites. Of course I began to have my own spiritual experiences which solidified the unbelievably enormous amounts of anecdotal evidence available. My journal is on my website that documents much of my findings, feelings, experiences. I keep about 6 months or so behind on posting my journal as I wait for the personal-ness (rawness of the experience) to subside so I don't feel utterly naked and revealing. Not that it is that exciting to other people, probably not. But it has been really hard for me to open up. Even coming on this forum at first made me feel very vulnerable and I had to build up to it. I am introverted.



Yes, me too. But what I find from taking photos consecutively from the same position and then stringing them together (sometimes animating them to study), I find that beings seem to be in a semi-realitistic form when they are hanging out relaxed in our world (outside of my vision, but probably not outside of the vision of animals and children). Like snakes that unfurl from their orbs and drape across the lawn or trees or people. After a bit, they pack up into a ball, which gets really bright and small, and they "take off" either straight up, or horizontally. Or sometimes they float by slowly, or hover alone or in groups. I think it would be some sort of physics reason for the sphere, but I can only conjecture. I don't know if they are always "here" in the way the camera captures them, but the "veil" is thinner at night (I know radio waves travel farther at night, so something atmospheric changes) and hence that is why I capture way more at night, or if they show up better at night. Maybe they don't pop in and out of this dimension, or maybe that is the wrong analogy? Fun to think about and discuss though.



Lovely! Wow, six kids.



I can see your point of view, and I have been distrustful before, and was without much self-esteem. In studying the spirit world and searching for the meaning of life and what happens after we die, etc., one thing that I have found as a truth (in my opinion) is that we create our reality and attract that which we think. I realized that because I am sincere and care, there must be others out there that are the same. The more I began thinking this and looking for it, them more I found it and saw it everywhere. I would walk through the mall holding back tears of joy as I marvelled at the beauty of every single person I saw, and the miracle of their complexity. I soon realized that virtually everyone is a good person that wants to be helpful and caring, they might not be super effective at it, but that is the basic human desire. Or so I feel. End my 2 cents.

I'm a firm believer in "Matrixing" (as TAPS calls it). So I'm very skeptical when it comes to seeing things in pictures. Especially if there are trees and rocks around. Some of my friends found "faces" on the walls at fort morgan down here, but when I looked at them I recognized them as water spots and nothing else. . but only because I was familiar with "matrixing" or whatever you want to call it.

http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society...o-matrixing.htm

Edit: I once took a picture of my computer before a hurricane (in case a tree fell on my house and my computer was damaged) and the computer was off. When I looked at the picture later, I could clearly see the image of a cat on the screen, and so could everyone that I showed it to. I had just found out about a type of instrumental transcommunication (the kind where you either video tape a tv or computer when it is off, or take a picture of it and faces appear) , so I was pretty sure what I had seen was something along those lines. . But, upon further inspection it was only a dirty screen, fingerprints and what not. Of course me, being an obsessive cat lover, saw a kitten on the screen. . . And, because I told people what I saw in the picture before they were able to draw their own conclusions, they also saw the kitten.

Wow!! If the rest of this forum is anything like this thread, I'm going to be JB welded to my mouse!! So much to say... First of all, Alisa, I see the wolf and it is bueatiful. Those pictures scare the !%%$ out of me. Second, I would absolutely LOVE to see other pics/stories involving wolves. My supernatural experience with wolves...canines in general...has been negative, but I'm really open to suggestions and other possibities. Third, I have been obsessed with Anubis since I was 11 years old and read House of Hackman's Hill. It was always a terror thing until recently, when the dreams/thoughts turned alluring and nearly erotic. Well, General Hospital is about to come on but you can bet I'll be back when it's over to do some more reading!!!!
Great Work!!
Luv,
Kitty

With alisa's "the wolf" photo, i look closely at it and found a strange "person". figure this one out, AND DONT SAY ITS A LEAF!

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Wow, you could just post in the thread...I will get this closed soon...

BTW, its a leaf

Jim The Lycan, i've merged your new topic with the original. There's no need to make a new topic just for one post here.

i can see the wolf but more importantly i also see a pig in the picture does this mean that the three little pigs are spirits too? no but what it does mean is that the concept of religion and spiritual belifs is based on faith u cant say that it is or nesiceraly isnt a spirit all u can say is weither u belive that there is a wolf spirit or not and if u dont then this picture isnt anything but leaves in the wind if u do then this is a rare glimps at the mighty spirit. my personal belif is that this is nouthing more then leaves in the wid but for those who do belive that it is a wolf spirit then more power to u who am i to say that ur spiritual and possible religious belifs are wrong?

I agree not a leaf, the tree's are way to far back and the perspective would be wrong.

How about Pareidolia?

robbieb - it is up to those of us who know better to point out where people are being duped or living in dreams. If we can show more people what is really going on, we all get smarter and we all win. This is not a religious or spiritual belief, it is an interpretation. To believe in an interpretation could be very detrimental to any state of mind, particularly if that interpretation recieves support. Determine the truth and expose it. We are responsible for our own society.
If that truth turns out to be a spiritual wolf with a strange "person" - proven - I'll streak the track at the next olympic games.

ROFL

to her this is spirtual so in essence to tell her shes wrong and to close her mind off to the possibilites of thinking out side the box would be even more damaging. espicaly if she is taking this to a religious level. people need to be free to belive what they want idk if you are from america but it is one of the given rights to belive what ever religion you want and thus if she belives this to be spirtual then it is part of her religion and to tell someone there religion is wrong is in of itself wrong. personaly i bleive that this is npouthing more then leaves and wind but i also belive that this has a more profound meaning to her and honeslty even if it is not a spirit how is that going to hurt someone to bleive it is? let me put it to you this way say ur christian (idk if u are or are not) now say you bleive jesus died on the cross and he took away ur original sin. now this is writtten in a book. so if u bleive that then why cant she belive some thing she sees in a picture. i jsut dont understand the need to name call and say shes stupid for her belifs i find it entirly wrong

Name calling is out of the question, and Alisa does not deserve that. I have spoken with her privately and she is very generous and open minded person.
This is not spititual or thinking outside the box. Please, you seem a reasonable fellow, see this for what it is.
Now, if we all jump behind her and fuel her belief that she has indeed photographed a spiritual wolf, what do you think mught be accomplished?
If we prove to Alisa how that particular photo has a convergence of static in the spot where the wolf resides and how that view is influenced by Pareidolia, and how the camera shows an orb because of the way that light reflects of dust particles and creates the illusion what may be accomplished? Perhaps she will go buy a new camera and take up a new hobby, perhaps she will be the one to photgraph the supposed not-extinct tassie tiger. Either way, she will be more aware of the equipment she is using and not believing she holds the pathway to another world. It will cease to be a wonderous magical gateway and become what it is - a camera. To fuel her thinking is holding your fellow man (person? Politically correct me here) back and lying to them. Not to mention helping expose themselves to public ridicule. Share knowldege, that's the key. It helps.
People do need to be free to believe (free speech and all that), however, we have a social obligation to share truthful knowledge with others. Free speech is great and wonderful, unfortunatley it is often greatly abused. Is it OK to believe that everyone Charlie Manson slaughtered deserved it? Where do you draw the line? Do you really think it is fantastic that a grown man who thinks he is a vampire is running for office????? Or that he could actually be making descicions for thinking people????? Free speech has draw backs. To quote Jack Johnson "If we want Hell, then Hell is what we'll have".
I mentioned in another thread, one does not read the bible and base ones life on it, for that would be foolish. One's religion is a life long journey of learning and discovery, or certainly should be. A lot deeper than is made out in the pathetic religious arguments I see constantly in these threads.
Have a bit of a search on the net, have a look at the mass murders perpetrated by scoundrels who happily exchange life for monetry gain. These hoaxes are often under the guise of a new religion, or a path to an alien world. Johanesburg might be a good start for you. How easy to find victims when they already believe.

The Truth. That's all I wanna see Lets let everyone in on it wether they want to know or not.

i get ewhat ur saying but u also have to understand theres a diffrence between sharing knowledge and forcing ones belifs onto another. help is onyl help if somone asks for it. im sure she has read the debates against her oppinion and if she wishes to belive that it is a spirit then its her choise and no one should tell her shes wrong. what if it was an angle she saw in the pic instead of a wolf spirit would you guys still tell her its stupid to belive in an angle?

Thanks for seeing my point of view

I don't think I am forcing a belief, I am revealing the true cause and effect, and help is help, asked for or not, as long as it is genuine. I doubt very much that the first recipient of penecillin asked for help, or wanted some mould injected into their bloodstream.

I would never call Alisa stupid over anything. I would however prove to her it is indeed not an angel in her photograph. I would do my best to have the picture and camera analysed to prove the true existance of these supposed entities. I am not interested in the perception of the photographs, as I feel it to be 100% Pareidolia mixed with small camera faults, but the actual true cause of any anomaly.
Alisa and I collabotarated on a Pareidolia experiment, we ran a whole thread on it. I had hoped to prove that spiritual photography is perception of Pareidolia, and believe that is what the results of our small experiment revealed.

She has read the debates against her, and handled them superbly. However, if we all get behind and say "Yes I see the Wolf" we are not her friends and helping her belief of a non-truth. Not very sporting wouldn't you say, especially for those who do know the true cause of these supposed entities either through experience or knowledge. In such a case, one would actually be setting her up for ridicule. I like Alisa and would hate to see that. She is actually a great deal more open to discussion than she is percieved of being here.

Just interested to know if you have read any of the Roswell Rod debunking. Very informative camera information there, and how these types of anomolies can occour.

i dont think u understnad exactly what im saying so i will as i often like to do try and clarify. i truly understnad the things that cna happen to a photo i develope some at my house actualy i have all the equiptment and everything. so i have often seen weird things that a camera can do. now i grew up in a house that was catholic and jewish. my father is jewish and my mothmer is catholic. i celebrated both hanukkah and christmas, easter and passover. i have a very diffrent belif aboutreligion then one might call the main stream. i look at one part of the bible and find it intresting. moses came down from the moutain and when peopel were worshiping a bull what did god do? they were destroyed. now why would this happen. is it because that was not a true religion god wanted? now with that said wouldnt it seem logical that if there was a religion god did not like on earth today they woudl be destroyed similsar to those who worshiped this bull? god can do anything right? so is it possible that god showed himself to all the difffrent cultures of thew owrld as a possible diffrent entity or entities? i feel that part of not judging others is not judgeing there belifs. now if u loook at native americans they belived in many spirits of animals so if what i said earlier about the diffrent entities t odiffrent cultures then this would simply be god. so now whos to say god has stoped showing himself? what if this bizar insident in the trees truly is a spiritual being? diffrent things for diffrent people. not all people are muslim but that doesnt mean its stupid to belive in the koran. not all people are hindu but that doesnt mean its stupid to belive in reincarnation. nto all people are native americans but that doenst mean its stupid to belive in a spirit wolf. im not saying this is a spirit of a wolf but what i am saying is if somone wishes to belive that they were shown a glimpse of the spirit world from a higher power then it is there will to do so. i mean what if no one belived jesus was the son of god or if no one bleive that moses was given the commandments from god instead of just chisiling thme himself its all aobut faith. and i fell that it is some what refreshing to hear someone belive that they ar being shows something religious/ spiritual for a change instead of heaing how under god in the pledge of allegence is not right. i understand that to allow someon who is not seeing obvious things clearly no continue to be mistake is wrong but at the same time if thats the way they choose to view it then more power to them. as long as they are smart about it. i mean by no means imo should she going looking for a cult that worships spirit wolves. but as long as shes smart aobut it thne its not hurting anyone for her belive this is truly a spirit wolf. idk if u agree with me or not and by all means its within your right to not agree with me its just how i feel

Funnily enough, I too come from a very varied religious background. I do think that you have the wrong idea over the bible, and it sounds very much like you have the same problem I did. Different influences cloud the issues. What worked for me was going to the oldest know interpretation I could get a hold of (in my case it was the King James version) and just have a good read. Use your own opinion, and take several years to begin making it. Read it three times over a couple years so you pick up bits and pieces you miss the first time. The worshiping of false idols (Bull refrence) might become clearer to you. To briefly explain, that was the rules. Still today, you break the rules, you incurr trouble. Rules is Rules, no matter where you are. The personal nature of God is not the message in that case.

I see your point, but I feel you have somewhat glossed over this particular situation to support multiple religions and free speech - which in itself is commendable. Alisa does not see this as a God, nor does she worship Naitive American religions. She thinks she takes pictures of ghostly entities. If say, Piney came in and said his Spirit Guide contacted him, I would not bat an eyelid, that would be his life search and conclusion I really doubt he would come in and say Here's a piccy of my God, whaddya reckon? And here's one of his Fairy mate, and here's one of a werewolf and check out his Vampire!!! How Cool is he!!!!................
Supporting a hypothesis like that is wrong. We know it is camera malfunctions combined with Pareidolia. To say, "yes, I see ther spirit Wolf too..." is condescending and in my opinion, taking advantage of that person. As I tried to show in my previous post, this may not be harmful to an individual, or even a small group, however, propogating such beliefs when we know better is irresponsible and likely to worsen the situation. Heaven help it may eventually form some sort of religion or following. It is not smart to lead others to false hope and lies.
If one spends time taking onboard a religion, Muslim, Christian, Bhuddist, Naitive, that is fine with me and I advocate it. It should be a long and fulfilling journey. Just not keen on making some up. In essence, we agree.

Hey , we have a 100% Wolf living with us...Have not read al of thread yet , but I am sure there are " mi-interpetations" of Wolves somewhere...

Very cool, beautiful animal, how do they go as pets?? Here I know a few people that have had Dingo's as pets, quite succesfull too.

Ohmygosh, I almost didn't check the crypto forum! I would have missed this topic's ressurection! And I have had the absolute best time reading all that's been written as of yesterday!

Kitty, wow, thanks! I am always (beyond) happy when someone can see the things I see in my photos (or my pareidolia moments as per good ole Psyche101 and Frogfish). I have not at all gone into the whole Anubis thing (and much, much more) because if just the pics freak out Psyche101, then I don't want to give him a heart attack with my thoughts of the wolves being related to ancient Egyptian gods. Thanks for being so brave and cool by just outright saying that you've had an obsession with Anubis and dreams that are becoming alluring. It actually adds to my growing list of people I am meeting that are experiencing similar things. Oh, and for openly sharing your TV viewing habits (General Hospital). Refreshing. You are a riot (the good kind)!

Though I don't know exactly what you are talking about Jim the Lycan, as the pic is too small, I do know that you have a keen eye and one thing I have enjoyed is sharing my pics with you because you see the same anomalies as I do, quickly and without me pointing them out.

Psyche101 is my pal to the end, even though we don't see eye to eye on this topic. He's always treated me with top-rate respect and so I hope to always do the same with him.

Though I know robbieb was not agreeing that he saw a wolf in my picture, or that if there was a wolf that it had meaning for everyone or anyone outside of me, but I did love his philosophies and I learned some things. I think you are a really judicious person, robbieb.

Hiya Alisa, great to see you still around. :tu I have not visited the Ghost forum for a bit.

What would I be without my comforting pareidolia

I'll brace myself ready for the Egyptian theories I trust my Heart attack will be very mild Actually, ancient Egyptians worshiped many feline and canine entities. Just look at the Sphynx Seth was a scary looking God too. Believe it or not, I do actually know a little of Egyptian culture. I had a young fellow from Egypt as an apprentice about 7 years ago, we bacame firm friends and remain so to this day. I met his family and took quite an interest in their culture. Some scary urban legends about weterners in Egypt too - but perhaps anothe time, another thread for that.

Who knows, we may see eye to eye on this one yet Great to see you around .

Trust me, a wolf does not make a good pet! They are far stronger than any domestic dog, and have twice the bite power of a pit bull terrier - don't expect to have any decent furniture
On a more serious note a wolf is a wild animal and should not be confined to domestic life (the same really goes for coyotes and any wolf-coyote hybrids); it has no 'domesticated' gene, and while they can interact amongst humans as socialized members of a mixed-legged pack (as I know from experience and work at a wolf trust), they can and will revert to wild instincts if the situation arises - you really don't want to be on the receiving end of wolf bites...

Does sound like a formidable animal. You must be a vrey dedicated person to provide such care. The people I knew that had Dingo's lived on farmland. Heaps of room for them They seemed a great deal more amicable as pets. Still, as you say, a wild animal need to be in the wild. I would not like a Dingo bite and a Wolf bite sounds worse.

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Dont listen to people who think you are crazy.I believe in the spirit world too. Its real just look at all thats happened. The wolf you see could be your guied or someone in your past that died and took the form of a wolf to watch over you.

I see the wolf, and I do believe in the spirit world. However I like to keep very distinct my beliefs and rational thinking as it can cloud judgement. It could well be a spirit as you suggest, but I'd be more willing to bet it's little more than simulacra, I'm afraid. Happens all the time. We try to view images as something familiar to us all the time. Plus I also doubt that orbs are good indications of spirits, and as such don't really believe in orbs themselves (I do beleive in ghosts though, to acertain extent, although I can't explain them; I think there's something about them we don't understand). In my view, orbs are usually little more than dust, pollen, any type of aerosol. It could be on the lens at the time of the picture, or just caught by the flash.

RKD

I see the wolf and it might be spirit but it also could bea coincedental pattern in the trees

And i do believe in ghosts and spirits in fact i have seen some myself

I can see the wolf and the orbs in this photo!

Nice photo, by the way. ^^

Well Shadow Wolf i like what you are saying.it scares me some times to think that they are becoming endangered(sorry for spelling) again thanks to humans.yes i do beleave there are spirits around us, and ya maby some to guide us as that being part of my name SG=Spirit Guide.i have had some experiances(sorry for spelling again)of my own but i dont just give that out to every one for alot of reason one being every one has there own opinion.anywho on a different thing that picture that is pretty cool looking some people say that orbs are just dust ive seen them talk about it on "Ghost Hunters" but they have alot of cool things happen in that show that seem soo real and i think it is real.but it is odd how it got a picture of a Wolf like that i think its somthing other than just dust or pollen although im not saying orbs arnt pollen or dust cuz it can be.some times i think that paranormal and Cryptozoology go together in some cases.

im sure glad i found out what that was. i saw a pic like that ommented under i was Wolf. im like, what the heck? theres nothing there, but thanks for tinting those eye