Alisa
Mar 22 2006, 11:11 PM
This is a photo that I took at night in search of evidence of the spirit world. I did not see the huge wolf image until reviewing the photo months later when my visual recognition abilities became sharper.
Can you see the wolf? I have tinted his irises yellow to help him be seen.


I have found that spirits use the shapes available in our world to aid in their manifestation. In this instance, the wolf has used trees, but much of his detail like eyes and nose are not a part of the background.
And there are orbs, I get them in virtually every photo I take ever since I strongly desired to capture as many spirit images as possible. I believe the universe (or the spirit forces, or whatever the power is) responds to our sincere requests like this.
GrayTone
Mar 22 2006, 11:23 PM
I think you're still just seein things, and its most likley dust or pollen not orbs
Alisa
Mar 22 2006, 11:38 PM
Toker, just out of curiosity, what would a photo have to look like to get you to believe?
frogfish
Mar 22 2006, 11:43 PM
Just seeing things...your imagination got the better of you.
GrayTone
Mar 22 2006, 11:51 PM
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Toker, just out of curiosity, what would a photo have to look like to get you to believe?
I truly have a hard time believing any photo that people claim to be of the super natural. Its to easy to fake photos. Or you stare at the photo long enough you think you see things. It would have to be a really good video for me to believe in fairies or ghosts
frogfish
Mar 23 2006, 12:04 AM
First the fairies, now a wolf...I think there's something wrong going on...Either a scam, overactive imagination, or mentality.
jackie boy
Mar 23 2006, 12:10 AM
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First the fairies, now a wolf...I think there's something wrong going on...Either a scam, overactive imagination, or mentality.
no need for carcasm or insults frogfish.you don't believe and surely you have your reasons,but leave it at that.
MadEyePixie
Mar 23 2006, 12:19 AM
What you claim are "orbs" are nothing more than dust or other particles in the air reflecting back the flash of the camera. As for the wolf, it could just be an illusion created by the trees.
Alisa
Mar 23 2006, 12:30 AM
It's okay with me if you don't see these things Toker and frogfish. Your questioning gives me a platform to explain further.
First Toker, thanks for explaining what it would take for you to believe. That is fair enough.
Frogfish, I can understand that you are having trouble reconciling a wolf after fairies. Let me say that I only ever started my spirit photography in hope of capturing orbs and spirits, which I thought would all be humans or dogs, or known earthly animals. The fairies were a complete surprise because I had not even considered their existence. The wolf photo I only kept because it was full of orbs. It was only later I saw the wolf. And then I found many wolves in my photos and in another person's photos.
There is more, too, but I have been photographing and analyzing daily/nightly for months now, and I can't just plop it all down for everyone to swallow at once. It took me a while to absorb it and I was fully immersed in it. And since they are my own photos, I don't have to wonder about the integrity of the photographer. So I am trying to lay a path to show my experience and it is not just all about fairies, that was just a starting point of interest.
Everyone is free to take it or leave it, we each have our own version of reality anyway. But some people will enjoy seeing my strange version. I hope that others will believe, but I don't need them to. Just showing you what I see.
Only Happy When It Rains
Mar 23 2006, 12:38 AM
I can see the wolf in the picture. Alisa how did you become interested in the spirit world?
Alisa
Mar 23 2006, 12:45 AM
MadEyePixie, I can accept that the wolf may be an illusion to others. It is real to me.
As for the orbs, I have hundreds of photos of orbs that I have studied intensely. I agree that the flash is necessary to reflect off the surface of objects to be seen at night, but that does not mean it is dust. It means it is a spherical, reflective, airborn object.
This orb would have to be a huge shiny piece of dust to be hovering many feet from my camera behind a fence.

And this orb would have to be some kind of very large, and very interesting dust to be nestled in this palm tree.
Alisa
Mar 23 2006, 01:00 AM
Only Happy When It Rains... thanks for letting me know you see the wolf. Sigh of relief.
Your avatar is adorable!
Two years ago, I was in the midst of earning my psychology degree when my mom came to stay with me for a few weeks. It came up in conversation that my grandmother's spirit had visited my mom a few years before to tell her a relative was going to pass away. My jaw dropped and I said, "What?!!" I was neck high in scientific theory and statistics with school, yet my Mom had never lied to me before and was not that imaginative of a person so I felt compelled to believe. I got the details from her and I was awestruck. I decided I had to know if there was anything out there other than what we normally see, if there was a spirit world and what happens after we die.
I began reading books on near-death-experiences, then moved into the subject of out-of-body experiences and studies, and then to ghosts, metaphysics, each topic linked to another. I lost my interest in psychology because I was so intrigued with metaphysics. I made a tough decision to put my schooling off until I had researched the paranomal thoroughly. And here I am, still studying it every day. I have documented my "Metaphysical Awakening" in a book/journal which is posted for reading on my
site.
I
love spirit photography, though it is just one facet of my metaphysical exploration. My documenting of synchronicities, dreams, and other phenomenon is probably my main passion.
Only Happy When It Rains
Mar 23 2006, 01:11 AM
No problem. I saw the wolf very clearly. Thanks my avatar is actually a Phillipine Tarsier (I thought it was really cute too

) Wow. I've been really interested in the spirit world too. I think the first time I really got interested was right after my grandmother died 5 years ago. I'd love to hear more about what you find out about the spirit world

.
Carajbu
Mar 23 2006, 01:17 AM
Oh he's beautiful! At first I thought it was an ape's head then I saw the nose. I can understand seeing something in the trees, but what about the eyes?
If you photoshopped it, good job.
Can you PM me the other spirit photos you have?
MadEyePixie
Mar 23 2006, 02:02 AM
I agree that the "orbs" arent always dust particles, but I dont think they're any spiritual beings. There are other particles in the air like pollen and whatnot that are larger than dust particles. I've taken many pictures and have had the same phenominum. I've studied quite a lot of orb pictures and have read quite a lot about them. I honestly dont think what you and I have photographed is anything to get excited about.
Here's a few I've taken:
nephilim
Mar 23 2006, 02:10 AM
QUOTE(Only Happy When It Rains @ Mar 22 2006, 07:38 PM) [snapback]1116452[/snapback]
I can see the wolf in the picture. Alisa how did you become interested in the spirit world?
I see it too
scuba0095
Mar 23 2006, 02:13 AM
can u plz tell us where u took this pic thanks
frogfish
Mar 23 2006, 02:26 AM
You can easily see the 'wolf' is caused by a gap in the trees behind....Its like seeing things in clouds. Your brain wants to see something other than what it really is.
Carajbu
Mar 23 2006, 02:32 AM
Nah I don't think so. Too much definition. And if it was a gap in the trees the gap would be the same colour as the sky. It's not. Even if it were apart of the trees there is a skinny peice that gets bigger attached to nothing, by the left side of the wolf. How could a branch from a tree just float around?
frogfish
Mar 23 2006, 02:39 AM
The definition was added in...There is no yellow naturally. The 'wolf' is the same color as the sky, and there are no floating branches...It is attached to the tree on the right.
BigDaddy_GFS
Mar 23 2006, 05:41 AM
Orbs are considered as spirits. The light orbs are deemed as angels by some, and the black smoky orbs as evil spirits. Thee's strong belief that orbs DO exist, though opinions vary as to what they are.
I can't explain the wolf-head image. To me, it looks like a solid object, perhaps a statue. The image has real depth to it, but it is squarish and artificial-looking.
I've no problem accepting the existence of orbs, but the wolf looks like a man-made object.
riotboy555
Mar 23 2006, 06:02 AM
I see the wolf, but it's just made by trees.
Carajbu
Mar 23 2006, 07:09 AM
Look at how the one of the trees bends to form the head, and then underneath that is an arrow shape sort of. I've never seen any trees that looked like that. Trees are usually ****
*****
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like that. The bushy part of the tree does all this twirly stuff.
*******
****---->(arrow shape)
******
o (circle)
(Wolf's head)
then below that is a circle thing above the right ear, that isn't clearly connected to anything.
Sorry about the uh **** but I haven't got a better way to explain it. o_o
my_psychosis
Mar 23 2006, 12:17 PM
"Can you see the wolf? I have tinted his irises yellow to help him be seen."------------------------------
I am sorry, but I can not see the Eyes.( or Wolf ) Can you point them out better? Please?
zandore
Mar 23 2006, 12:28 PM
I seen the wolf Alisa but I think Frog said it:
QUOTE(frogfish @ Mar 22 2006, 09:26 PM) [snapback]1116541[/snapback]
You can easily see the 'wolf' is caused by a gap in the trees behind....Its like seeing things in clouds. Your brain wants to see something other than what it really is.
One name for that is:
Pareidolia
Indomitus Anima
Mar 23 2006, 12:34 PM
QUOTE(Alisa @ Mar 23 2006, 09:11 AM) [snapback]1116336[/snapback]
This is a photo that I took at night in search of evidence of the spirit world. I did not see the huge wolf image until reviewing the photo months later when my visual recognition abilities became sharper.
Can you see the wolf? I have tinted his irises yellow to help him be seen.
coolela! i think you're on2 sumthin there
Shadow_Wolf
Mar 23 2006, 01:01 PM
QUOTE(Alisa @ Mar 23 2006, 12:45 AM) [snapback]1116460[/snapback]
MadEyePixie, I can accept that the wolf may be an illusion to others. It is real to me.
As for the orbs, I have hundreds of photos of orbs that I have studied intensely. I agree that the flash is necessary to reflect off the surface of objects to be seen at night, but that does not mean it is dust. It means it is a spherical, reflective, airborn object.
This orb would have to be a huge shiny piece of dust to be hovering many feet from my camera behind a fence.

And this orb would have to be some kind of very large, and very interesting dust to be nestled in this palm tree.

A photo is a 2-dimensional recording of 3-dimensional space. You are assuming the 'orb' is in the tree, it is in fact somewhere between the camera lens and the tree - a small speck of dust near the lens will appear bigger, its all a question of perspective.
Shadow_Wolf
Mar 23 2006, 02:22 PM
I could just see the wolf in the original image, but the enhanced eyes do of course heighten the perception. Then again with my physical, (past & future) spiritual, guide, guardian, power animal and totem connections to wolves then maybe I am a tad biased
I'm used to being around both North American (timber) and European wolves anyway; but I have seen and experienced the reassuring physical presence of my guardian wolf when I've been under psychic and psychic/physical attack.
frogfish
Mar 23 2006, 04:15 PM
Zandore is right
Alisa
Mar 24 2006, 01:26 AM
First, my thoughts on paredolia:
Pareidolia (according to wordspy.com) is the erroneous or fanciful perception of a pattern or meaning in something that is actually ambiguous or random. Pareidolia is definitely a noted phenomenon
, but just because we have identified and labelled this tendency does not mean we know the cause
. The reason people experience pareidolia remains a mystery, and therefore, is only subject to theory.
Carl Sagan suggested in his book The Demon Haunted World that the purpose for face recognition likely evolved for parent/child bonding purposes. And while pareidolia may indeed be useful in bonding, it is not proven that this is why we see faces from infancy. It is up to each of us to decide for ourselves whether we believe that people see faces in patterns and photos due to some instinctual bodily reaction to stimulus, or whether it is our innate ability to perceive the many layers of reality that exist and teem with life.
My theory is that we are surrounded by layers and layers of life forms that visibly border our reality through physical patterns. I believe that seeing spirits in photos is a form of interaction with the spirit world and a skill that can be gained and strengthened by searching photos--practice.
As for the orbs, I had one orb appear in several hundred shots I have taken over the last ten years. But the first time I picked my camera up with the intention of capturing a spirit, I got an orb and have had one or more in virtually every photo I have taken since. I invited them to show up, and now they do. I have hundreds of pictures of orbs, and I am sorry to say I've become a bit complacent about them though I love each and every one I photo and thank them for appearing. Most orbs in my photos are not behind anything, probably because they come forward in response to my interest in them and their desire to be photographed (only my conjecture). But there have been a handful of them that have been partially behind something, or moving halfway into a solid object. I have some with clear faces on or in them of the person they once were, and many, many, many with snakes inside of them and unfurling from them. Strange, I know! But somehow snakes are a big part of the spirit world and I am still in the midst of learning more about this fact and understanding it. Wolves are a big part, too.
I had not considered the remotest possibility of any of this (snakes, wolves, and yes, fairies) until they began showing up in whole or part in my spirit photos. And I am quite sure that anyone else could capture spirit images for themselves if they just gave it a try. I am happy to give anyone hints, encouragement and help combing their photos. I am also happy to do a topic on orbs and include more photos if anyone is interested.
Thank you to everyone who has and continues to comment, particularly those that see the wonder in this wolf image.

I think the wolf is cool, even a bit scary. I don't know if he is a guide for me (I am interested in hearing what Shadow Wolf thinks as this is his expertise), or if the wolf is Anubis responding to my interest in the spirit world, or what. But I think he is important.
frogfish
Mar 24 2006, 01:37 AM
You might want to clean or replace the camera
Alisa
Mar 24 2006, 01:44 AM
What? Clean the camera?!

And then not have any more orbs in my photos!

No way!
frogfish
Mar 24 2006, 01:45 AM
LOL
psyche101
Mar 24 2006, 04:16 AM
QUOTE(zandore @ Mar 23 2006, 10:28 PM) [snapback]1116894[/snapback]
I seen the wolf Alisa but I think Frog said it:
One name for that is:
Pareidolia
I would say got it one.
For another possibility, I made mention of Roswell Rods in the fairy photos thread. Very possible a similar thing is happening here with the camera.
Feanor
Mar 24 2006, 11:24 AM
Hi Alisa! The wolf figure is preety clear, thought I donīt think its supernatural. But I respect your beliefs. Regarding the orbs, those for sure are dust or other kind of particle.
There are spiritual beings that apear like orbs but when this occurs, the orbs show movement in the pictures, streaks, etc.
I am saying this, because I study and participate ghosts about 2 years now.
It would be interesting if you could visit
HERE. There you can find professional and amateur reports about ghosts, spirits, etc. About orbs, there is a very good article in
HEREAnyway, nice eyes you have.
Viridis
Mar 24 2006, 11:49 AM
QUOTE(Alisa @ Mar 23 2006, 12:45 AM) [snapback]1116460[/snapback]
This orb would have to be a huge shiny piece of dust to be hovering many feet from my camera behind a fence.

And this orb would have to be some kind of very large, and very interesting dust to be nestled in this palm tree.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but you can clearly see that both of those 'orbs' are infront of the objects, not behind or nestled in, anyone who can zoom in on a picture should be able to see this
zandore
Mar 24 2006, 12:56 PM
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As for the orbs, I had one orb appear in several hundred shots I have taken over the last ten years. But the first time I picked my camera up with the intention of capturing a spirit, I got an orb and have had one or more in virtually every photo I have taken since. I invited them to show up, and now they do.
Orbs?
Orbs have many names including globes, globules, balls of light, and hovering round balls. They appear in all ranges of brightness from bright-&-glowing to faded-&-barely-visible. They are usually quite fast and follow an erratic pattern of flight. Positive orbs are believed to be the spirits of the dead by many. However, other theories suggest that they might be separate life forms or even nature spirits. The problem is that many orb photos are false positives. Read on...ghoststudy.com Although many photos can and will display authentic orbs, there are others that are false positive and we include examples of these here for identification purposes.Faked pictures.
Dust is the most common anomaly that will be photographed by the beginning ghost hunter. We have included samples of dust particles and of moisture droplets for comparison. Ghost research is more than just snapping a few digital photos that capture an orb or multiple orbs and thinking that these orbs might be spirits. One of the best things that a new ghost hunter could do is take about 100 photos of dust, pollen, rain droplets or other anomalies found in their location to establish a base line to compare later photos.paranormaltexas.net
Jim The Lycan
Mar 24 2006, 01:05 PM
Wow, I envy you the way you can get solid proof. I have seen many weird thing, and felt it to, but i have never caught it on photo. Do you by any chance use an infered filter?
Feanor
Mar 24 2006, 01:48 PM
QUOTE(zandore @ Mar 24 2006, 09:56 AM) [snapback]1118504[/snapback]
Orbs?
Orbs have many names including globes, globules, balls of light, and hovering round balls. They appear in all ranges of brightness from bright-&-glowing to faded-&-barely-visible. They are usually quite fast and follow an erratic pattern of flight. Positive orbs are believed to be the spirits of the dead by many. However, other theories suggest that they might be separate life forms or even nature spirits. The problem is that many orb photos are false positives. Read on...ghoststudy.com Although many photos can and will display authentic orbs, there are others that are false positive and we include examples of these here for identification purposes. Ehehe I posted this link too. There, ppl can find alot about orbs and dust particles and false positive photos, etc. Worth taking a look.
zandore
Mar 24 2006, 04:07 PM
QUOTE(Feanor @ Mar 24 2006, 08:48 AM) [snapback]1118533[/snapback]
Ehehe I posted this link too. There, ppl can find alot about orbs and dust particles and false positive photos, etc. Worth taking a look.
Sorry I must have missed it
Shadow_Wolf
Mar 24 2006, 07:32 PM
QUOTE(Alisa @ Mar 24 2006, 01:26 AM) [snapback]1117995[/snapback]
Thank you to everyone who has and continues to comment, particularly those that see the wonder in this wolf image.

I think the wolf is cool, even a bit scary. I don't know if he is a guide for me (I am interested in hearing what Shadow Wolf thinks as this is his expertise), or if the wolf is Anubis responding to my interest in the spirit world, or what. But I think he is important.
I wish I were an expert Alisa - if I were I'd have constant contact with my wolf guides and guardians; still being part of a wolf pack and having wolves regard me as part of their family isn't a bad substitute
On a serious note, spirit animals can come and go over time, and we all have a range of animals/creatures that will be our guides at different times. They can also be companions to other guides - an obvious one is wolf companions to a Native American spirit guide. Totem and guardian animals are with us on a more permanent basis.
A wolf isn't scary in physical, spirtual, guardian or totem form, far from it; they are wonderful creatures, and its a privelege to be connected with them in every realm.
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frogfish
Mar 24 2006, 08:23 PM
Wolves are wonderful animals...Although the 'wolf' in rge picture is nothing more than a gap in the trees
Alisa
Mar 24 2006, 10:33 PM
Thanks for all of the input from everyone. And thanks Shadow Wolf for the info on wolves.

Viridis, I disagree that the orbs are clearly in front of the tree and the fence in my photos. I feel they are clearly within and behind.
I have done plenty of searching and reading on orbs. Ghoststudy is one of my favourite sites and was my inspiration for beginning my adventure in spirit photography. I have read their explanations, recommendations and seen their example photos, all of which are their opinion.
A couple of people that have studied orbs exclusively are
the Beans. See their site for a different and thorough explanation.
I
know that my orbs are spirits, but whether or not anyone else agrees with me is not within my control. My suggestion to anyone is to try taking photographs for yourself and learn from your own experience in every instance you can in life. This is what I have done regarding the spirit world through meditation and photography. For me it has been the only way to find my own form of truth.
If you decide not to experiment for yourself, at least keep your mind open to all possibilities. Even "truths" based on science and agreed upon by most can change dramatically as new evidence continuously becomes available in the physical world.
Jim The Lycan
Mar 24 2006, 10:37 PM
QUOTE(Alisa @ Mar 24 2006, 10:33 PM) [snapback]1119122[/snapback]
Thanks for all of the input from everyone. And thanks Shadow Wolf for the info on wolves.

Viridis, I disagree that the orbs are clearly in front of the tree and the fence in my photos. I feel they are clearly within and behind.
I have done plenty of searching and reading on orbs. Ghoststudy is one of my favourite sites and was my inspiration for beginning my adventure in spirit photography. I have read their explanations, recommendations and seen their example photos, all of which are their opinion.
A couple of people that have studied orbs exclusively are
the Beans. See their site for a different and thorough explanation.
I
know that my orbs are spirits, but whether or not anyone else agrees with me is not within my control. My suggestion to anyone is to try taking photographs for yourself and learn from your own experience in every instance you can in life. This is what I have done regarding the spirit world through meditation and photography. For me it has been the only way to find my own form of truth.
If you decide not to experiment for yourself, at least keep your mind open to all possibilities. Even "truths" based on science and agreed upon by most can change dramatically as new evidence continuously becomes available in the physical world.
lol no problem. did you understand the explination of my pheory? not questioning your capibility, just i know my sentances dont make much sence sometimes.
frogfish
Mar 24 2006, 10:53 PM
QUOTE
I know that my orbs are spirits
How do you know? Do you have any proof?
frogfish
Mar 24 2006, 10:59 PM
QUOTE
Viridis, I disagree that the orbs are clearly in front of the tree and the fence in my photos. I feel they are clearly within and behind.
And everyone else in their right mind agrees that it is clearly in front of the tree/fence....for instance ON THE LENSE.
kourui
Mar 25 2006, 03:56 AM
hmmmm....
Jim The Lycan
Mar 25 2006, 04:54 PM
QUOTE(MadEyePixie @ Mar 23 2006, 02:02 AM) [snapback]1116523[/snapback]
I agree that the "orbs" arent always dust particles, but I dont think they're any spiritual beings. There are other particles in the air like pollen and whatnot that are larger than dust particles. I've taken many pictures and have had the same phenominum. I've studied quite a lot of orb pictures and have read quite a lot about them. I honestly dont think what you and I have photographed is anything to get excited about.
Here's a few I've taken:
frogfish, your an utter fool! you come onto a chat about myths and the supernatural yet dont belive it, what are you? some lonely 7 year old with no friends and has to take the mic out of people to feel significant?
Shadow_Wolf
Mar 25 2006, 05:19 PM
QUOTE(Alisa @ Mar 24 2006, 10:33 PM) [snapback]1119122[/snapback]
Thanks for all of the input from everyone. And thanks Shadow Wolf for the info on wolves.

Viridis, I disagree that the orbs are clearly in front of the tree and the fence in my photos. I feel they are clearly within and behind.
I have done plenty of searching and reading on orbs. Ghoststudy is one of my favourite sites and was my inspiration for beginning my adventure in spirit photography. I have read their explanations, recommendations and seen their example photos, all of which are their opinion.
A couple of people that have studied orbs exclusively are
the Beans. See their site for a different and thorough explanation.
I
know that my orbs are spirits, but whether or not anyone else agrees with me is not within my control. My suggestion to anyone is to try taking photographs for yourself and learn from your own experience in every instance you can in life. This is what I have done regarding the spirit world through meditation and photography. For me it has been the only way to find my own form of truth.
If you decide not to experiment for yourself, at least keep your mind open to all possibilities. Even "truths" based on science and agreed upon by most can change dramatically as new evidence continuously becomes available in the physical world.
I've been researching so-called 'orbs' for 14 years now, and in that time have taken 50,000+ images; in that time I've probably got less than 20 images with any sort of 'real' anomaly - various features and articles are on my
website. The 'orbs' bandied around by all manner of investigators (often with no appreciation of the science of photography; the website you gave us is a classic example, no photographic analysis at all) and on all manner of websites are nothing more than particulates illuminated by the camera flash.
Disable your camera flash and IR autofocus illuminator and then see how many 'orb' images appear; we tried this over a 2-year period back in the 90s - not one 'orb' image was captured; this rather gives a big clue as to the nature of the 'orb' phenomenon.
MadEyePixie
Mar 25 2006, 06:03 PM
Uh, Jim, why did you quote me and then insult frogfish?
QUOTE(Jim The Lycan @ Mar 25 2006, 11:54 AM) [snapback]1120094[/snapback]
frogfish, your an utter fool! you come onto a chat about myths and the supernatural yet dont belive it, what are you? some lonely 7 year old with no friends and has to take the mic out of people to feel significant?
Wow, you cut frogfish deep there.

Not everyone has to believe in the things you do. If everyone had the exact same opinion on subjects, these forums would be rather dull and pointless. We need skeptics.
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