Im kinda new. heres the story. i was reading about a big black dog that protects and kills people in britain. one of the stories that was there was this lady walking home to Scunthorpe crosby. when a big black dog (bigger than most she said) appeard out of nowere, rite next to her. the black dog kept up with her, if it got to ahead it would stop and wait for her to catch up. then 3 men came from the oppisite direction, and in the file, she said that the men said that they would have had sum fun with her if it wasnt for her dog. Moments later wen the men were out of site. the dog disapeard. another story is in the early hours of a winter morning in 1972, ant a secluded farmhouse on the southern edge of Dart moor a farmer and his wife were woken by strange scratching noises outside their bedroom door. The farmer decided to investigate . he climbed from his bed and brandishing an iron poker. looked out in to the gloom of the unlit corridor. At first he could se little that was out of the ordinary, and he walked along the passage towards the top of the stairwell, wen he saw the shadow at the top of the stairs, he described a Very large dog with eyes the color of red hot coals. he was terrified so he struck the dog and as the poker hit a flash overwelmd the man and just as fast as the dog apperd it disaperd. ne one have ne input

This is the first I have read about anything like that.

SHíT! A BIG BLACK DOGS WITH EYES LIKE BURNING COALS IS A BARGUEST!!!

I believe that our spiritual guides (Call them what you want, guardians, helpers, guides, angels, patrons, whatever) can take the shape of an animal, or "use" and animal to protect and/or guide us.
Maybe that's what these stories were about, I don't know

Tho this wouldn't describe why they kill people

Dogs are very mysterious creatures, I've heard of some cases of dogs leaving there body to protect there owners. I believe it is possible that dogs are very intact with there spiritual part of the brain, a part we have but is sileneced out because we use our thinking part of the brain too much. Like dogs are intouch with there senses aswell, and they know when stuff is gonna happen...etc.

I have slight recollection of this story, these remarkable phantom hounds. The story always gave me goosebumps, always kind of eerie...

Janet & Colin Bord have an excellent book called Alien Animals that contains a large section on Black Shucks/Black hounds.

It may be out of print of I highly recommend trying to get a copy of it from somewhere. Try Ebay.

If it accepted that humans are capable of OOBEs/astral travel; then why not other creatures?

I have heard of a story where the sighting of a black dog means three things. When you see it the first time, it brings you good luck; the second time bad luck; and the third time death. Could this be the same thing, or is what i'm remebering just a fiction story?

interesting stories. there is a black dog legend from Meriden, CT. Its sauid there is a small black terrier looking dog that is seen in the hills outside of the town. Sightings go back almost 200 years and its said that the dog while appearing to bark or howl is completely mute, and also leaves no tracks, no matter what the surface. Anyway legend has it that the first time you see the dog it is good luck and the second time brings bad. a third sighting usually results in death. anyone familiar with this one?

Theres also the stories of the graveyard dogs who are meant to be shadow entities that guard the graveyards and scare away unwanted people from thier territory that they protect.

I remember watching on the Discovory channle about dogs and their abillitys. They tested a family whos dogs can sence when their master is coming home, they tested this by setting up cameras watching the dog and a camera crew with the owener, the owner was told to think about the dog and coming home, the dog at the exact time ran into the house and sat next to the window waiting for its owner to get home.

I saw that too. It was a while ago though. I wish they'd run it again because I can't remember if they decided that it was just the dog's hearing or sense of time or routine or something else...

I never saw the show in question, but I think that that phenomenon can be explained almost in the same way that human beings can sometimes just wake-up at a certain time even without having to be awoken by an alarm clock....the inner clock....if you will, hasn't this ever happened to you?

I agree that there are many instinctual things that animals may be able to accomplish simply beacuse they are just that...animals....and are infinitely more instinctual than humans.....gotta give-up something for those opposable thumbs, lol.

I saw a tv program on these black dogs, they go back a long way in folk law, there's one account written down in a church log? were during a service the church door flew open and a large black dog with red eyes entered the church, there's still claw marks on the church door.

Yeah I watched that a couple of years ago...terrified me...but I believe that dog was given mans best friend for a reason.

Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa

Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa von Nettesheim was a magician and occult writer, astrologer, and alchemist. He may also be considered an early feminist.

After Agrippa's death, rumors circulated about his having summoned demons. In the most famous of these, Agrippa, upon his deathbed, released a black dog which had been his familiar.

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People called his black dog 'The Devil' but Agrippa called him 'Monsieur'.

Perhaps some good advice to anyone who runs into any spooky black dogs would be to call it Monsieur or Mister(I'm sure demon dogs know English ) and for God's sake be polite

Mystery Dog?

My friend April sent me this scary, mysterious photo. We're trying to determine what we're seeing. It appears to be some kind of dog? Any ideas what this may be?

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/demondog.html

Perhaps this is the dog in question? Remember be polite

That is one horrid picture!!

Looks like a dog with a malformed jaw...I dunno.

I do know I don't want to be bitten by that!!

After the so called *witchcraft murder* in Warwickshire , my home county, in 1945 they brought a top detective in from Scotland Yard called Fabian. Fabian travelled to the village where the victim lived and began his investigation. he was forced to give up after asking *who the big black dog belongs to?* that he had seen several times on his walks around the area.

From that point on none of the locals would really speak to hm let alone give any detail about the victim.. it should be noted although it is called *The witchcraft murder* the victim was suppoesdly the witch as he was found skewered to the floor with a pitchfork in the manner it was believed was the best way to despatch a witch.

The movie NightCurse of Demon made in 1957, seems to hold echoes of this case as the main *baddie* Carstairs lives in Warwickshire and one of the characters is meant to have killed a fellow member of his coven, again in Warwickshire.

Fabian described the dog as akin to a very large black labrador...

How could that be evil??

My baby waby Sagan...

Just out of interest... the dog most likely to attack a human?? labradors... THE numero uno biters of humans.. wolves wouldnt even make it into the top 20 interms of bad tempered canines/lupines.

I use share a house with a total cutie called emma a big black labrador.She was such a softy...apart from one person a friend called Stuart... she would just go mental at him and we had to lock her out of the house in the garden when he visited. Emma would have gone straight for his throat had she got a chance...

Well a lot of that has to do with the fact that they are the most popular dog and more people have them. People aren't around wolves much so they aren't as likely to be bitten by them. The more that there are the more bites there are going to be and the breeding standards are going to slip.

But I know what you mean because just a couple of months ago my little boy bit the vet when he went to take his temperature....but what would you do if someone just shoved a thermometer in your bum?

Wolves are actually very shy and generally an incredibly even tempered animal.. I have a friend in California has a hound that is about 80% wolf and he is the most affable and well natured dog i've ever met..

Im told that the reason Dobermans and Alsations are such yampy dogs is cos they have been inbred so much that their brain cavity is no longer large enough and that they have *fits* caused by this ,where, they do just go *off on one* and attack people for no reason at all due to pressure on certain parts of the brain.

(heh heh, from what I hear Russian wolves aren't nearly so "even tempered")

But black dogs are famous! I can't believe there is so much ambiquity here! They are one of the most famous of all paranormal beasts, they are usually described as huge black dogs. Their character changes regionally. (for instance one town in Wales, to see the black dog is to die) However in most of germany they protect travellers on lonely roads from evil. It has often been noted that the Pooka is very similar to a Black Dog. (in fact there have been cases when the Pooka was in the form of a black dog) Often places say The Black Dog will kill those who are evil and/or not brave, and help those who are good/lost and/or brave of heart.

Sorry, think it's a model for some movie or some such, but I may be wrong.

As king arthur's minstrel once said commenting on camelot "It's only a model." - monty python and the holy grail -

The dog's tongue has the charateristics of a well painted model with the dark areas deepened giving it a more 3d look about it, however if you look at the tongue specificly in the darkened area it has a glossy shine reflecting light from the daylight.
The photographer did try though with the slight motion whilst taking the photo to try and hide these little give-aways.

Eerie model tho.

Next you'll be saying the Starship Enterprise is "just a model."

I agree.



Again I agree. I do see how well it's painted too now that you pointed it out.



I'd never say that. That's just heresy.

Oh and when I lived in East Anglia in England there was a legend of a big black dog known as the Black Shuck. Linka dinka doo

Yes it sure is the ugliest looking model I have ever seen. Sorry if it seemed like I thought this was the Demon Dog, more specifically a real dog.

It is easy enough to see by the way its front paws don't quite rest on the ground like real dog paws and well it is a little over the top

I guess I should have added another emoticon, perhap a or a but I really wanted to use the 'devil worship combo'. But remember for god's sake be polite! Demon dogs cases have shown a 78% chance of happy-doggy play if you are polite to them and remember 84% of statistics are made up on the spot

Any thoughts on the Agrippa tale of him releasing his black "demonic" dog familiar on his deathbed?

I got another legend that might fit into this Black Dog tale[pun intended ], I'll go dig it up, back in a few.

I'd quickly like to add though, coldethyl that is one of the cutest dogs I have ever seen

This pup deserves a doggy treat

OK here it is....

Hecate

Hecate, Hekate or Hekat was originally a goddess of the wilderness and childbirth originating from Thrace, or among the Carians of Anatolia. Popular cults venerating her as a mother goddess integrated her persona into Greek culture as 'Εκατη. In Ptolemaic Alexandria she ultimately achieved her connotations as a goddess of sorcery and her role as the 'Queen of Ghosts', in which guise she was transmitted to post-Renaissance culture. Today she is often seen as a goddess of witchcraft.

The she-dog is the animal most commonly associated with Hecate. She was sometimes called the 'Black she-dog' and black dogs were once sacrificed to her in purification rituals. At Colophon in Thrace, Hecate might be manifest as a dog. The sound of barking dogs was the first sign of her approach in Greek and Roman literature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate

She is also known as the three-form goddess, her forms fitting in with the 'three sightings meaning three outcomes' legend some have mentioned here.

Perhaps these sacrificed black dogs have returned, or never left, to seek revenge

Not sure if it has been mentioned but Winston Churchill called his depression his 'Black-dog'.

Black dogs sure seem to be everywhere.

Not a black dog but a doggy tail, I keep terriers i've 5 at the moment, many years ago i had a real game breaking one to livestock, she would chace sheep, cows etc., i did succeed and she became steady with other animals, one day she was walking in front of me and we came to a field with sheep in, and she completely ignored them, i thought to my self good girl, and her tail wagged, i tried this on a few occasions and it only worked if i was genuinely happy with something she'd done.

Hound of the Baskervilles?

Oh hey! I found another tale, don't have it word-for-word because some cat-bastard stole it from the library. But in the book. (I think it was titled something rather non-descript like "European Folklore")

It had a tale that took place in Germany (or one of the german principalities, the period wasn't mentioned) a young woman was walking home from a village. She accidently took the wrong path, and was completely lost. Night had fallen, and it became misty. As she continued down the path, she suddenly felt incredibly uneasy. Growing fearfull, she remembered that robbers often populated these backroads. However, when she was growing increasingly scared, a huge black dog nearly her height came out onto the road. Despite its fearfull appearance she felt calmed by it. Holding on to its long shaggy fur, she let it lead her. Within just a few minutes she arrived at home. Later she tried to find the road she was on, but it was miles and miles away from her home. Somehow in just a few minutes she was guided all that distance.

I think it was also mentioned that a gang of murderers were in that very area, but were caught the very next day. One of the members confessed that they were going to attack a girl they saw on the road, until they noticed what they thought was a horse, was a massive black dog with glowing red eyes, that belched flame as it walked.

I have no idea about the verity of this tale, but I decided I may as well put it out there.

thats the first time i have ever heard of one of them helping someone its quite amazing

maybe after it dissapeared it went and killed the 3 guys , who knows

Uhm... do you have a source for that ? Just curious ;o)

Edit: GRRRRRRR SORRY, didn't pay attention to the DATE on this freaking thread.

I just LOVE these stories.

In the beginning of this topic there was someone that said it could mean three things. I am not much of a storyteller, sorry, but the thing that guy said (or gal) actually refers to a story I've read concerning "the little black dog". It's about a mountain hiker. He goes mountain hiking, and it was in an area that had the story of the little black dog (mind you, it is not a barguest).

So the legend goes that the first time you see the dog it shall be for joy, the second time for woe and the third time for death. The man goes in the mountains and meets the dog. The second time he meets it again (duh) and the third time he saw it, he misstepped and fell down he mountain, to his death.

Concerning Barguests, however, there are not that much stories in these parts here, but one does cross my mind... It's rather short, but ok. There was a pub in Limburg I think, where a big black dog with eyes the size of saucers laid under the table and would not, never, leave. They called a priest who did some kind of rite and the dog went away.

Keep in mind, however, that a Barguest's shape includes the standard black dog with the glowing eyes but does not confine itself to that. Dogs with missing limbs, heads, tails, even white dogs, dogs with green eyes...

Traditionally, these dogs are seen as protectors, not really 'evil' though. They often guard graveyards, where a dog is buried outside the graveyard so it's spirit can rise again, to protect the graveyard.

Of course they are seen as satan's dogs, but there really are little records of people ever been attacked by them, if a little scared. They often appear on lonesome roads as well, where you can hear their feet padding on the ground (or whatever the word is).

There, I hope that was entertaining.