this is a picture of what I would look like in hell. I really don't know what happens after we die and the truth is I don't really care.I think if there was a god it would be very selfish and unfair for him to expect us to make decisions and do what he says based off one book with so many grey areas.This is only my opinion and I respect other people's opinions.I live my life one day at a time and I guess when I die I'll find out,but for now I'm just having fun and living life to it's fullest.I was just wondering what some of you other people believe and your opinions on the choices we make and their basis.

I wish there was a way to convert all people like you.

Godisn't selfish, and he doenst want you to live your life following the Bible and not doing anything else, he wants you to live your life, but the main idea is that he created you to come back to Heaven, he WANTS YOU to be in Heaven, but you must be pure, so you ahve to be sin free, gioing to Heaven doesn't mean abandoning all the things in Life for him, but he should come first and foremost because he loves you a billion times more than any human ever could.

Even in hell...you look fantastic

no one can be without sin the bible says we're born in sin. there's so many sins you commit everyday you have to constantly ask for forgivness what happens if god comes back like 2 second after you commit a sin and you didnt have time to ask for forgivness.and I don't see how an infant with no concept of anything could have sin.the whole concept is unfair and ridiculous why would god give us free will and then be like make sure you use your free will to make the decisions I deem right or I'll send you to a place where you will be tortured forever oh and by the way I'm merciful and loving but if you don't do what I say you'll burn for eternity.oh and I've been converted before and intelligently converted back.

I know what you mean and I can agree. I believe we should be living life to the fullest and having fun but I don't think we should live recklessly. I believe being successful(Having a good job, your own place, car and being able to provide loved ones) or working doing what you love as key to happiness.

Creepy

it was kinda creepy huh? I don't live recklessly I just have fun with life I'm still a good person but I don't need a threat like hell or the bible or god to make me be a good person I think there's something out there but I don't belive its "god" I mean the only reason people believe in god is because other people told them too.it's like a long never ending chain.and there is the argument well I believe in god because he saved my life well if someone told you to believe in aliens your whole life you'd say you believe in aliens because they saved your life you learn to link one thing up with the other to back up your faith.I mean everyone is entitled and I'm not trying to be argumental or anything I'm just stating my opinions.

I agree, I don't need to live my life by the bible in order to be a good person or successful. Not to mention, I have my own beliefs anyways.

Undeaddoll and dnb420, just remember that you are among two thirds of humanity in believing that the Christian holy book is nothing more than antique mythology. They don't even have contemporary evidence that their "savior" ever even existed or that their god is any more valid that the gods of the Hindu or the original monotheistic god - Ahuramazda! Don't worry, they are just afraid to think for themselves - CM

No matter what you believe while you are here on Earth one day when you Die your your Spirit will leave the body with all its intelligence and memories and that Soul will travel to the After Life.

In the after life you can communicate back through people here on Earth and share your experiences and continue to write and work with those here on Earth who channel for Spirit much like I and other Psychics do.

Although I have been working with Spirits in the Spirit World for more than 20 years now I still don't have a clear view of Heaven or Hell but I do know some of the Guides that I work with were not perfect here on Earth and one or two of them committed Murders when they were here on Earth but once in the After Life they seem to have been spared by God and after many many years they were permitted to communicate back to Earth through psychic Channels and write all about their lives and Deaths and because of the life some of them lived while they were here on Earth they did not go to the After Life from Natural Causes but were sent there by Violent Means which is to say if you Live by the Sword sometimes you die by the Sword.

I hope I have been helpful as I share some of my experiences with the World.

thanks for sharing your expeiriences I have a question do you ever ask these guides if theres heaven or hell?

UndeadDoll, I hope the few comments I make may be of some help to you.

Perhaps we are "dead" right now and are only "alive" when we leave this rock called Earth.

Perhaps we are in "Hell" right now and "Heaven" is the next step up. Or as I believe the top of the "ladder", each life gives us a chance to take a few more steps.

If your "Soul" experiences little or no spiritual growth you are coming right back here to "Hell". Christianity's biggest mistake was denying reincarnation or perhaps it was their biggest accomplishment, "obey or to the burning pit with you!".

But if you grow/progress spiritually you climb higher and higher towards "Heaven".

We were NOT born into sin and whomever tells you that you were is probably only following the teachings of power hungry spiritual corpses that needed a way of forcing their followers into obeying their delusions.

"God" is in All and All is in "God". If it can be done it isn't a sin to All or God but the effects of "evil" behaviour could create a very slippery "ladder".

youre part right, we ARE born with Original Sin at first, when you are baptized, that sin is forgiven, and no, not every sin counts as a Mortal Sin, some are venial sins like, little lies, and thoes don't get you condemed to Hell for eternity. And of course, if a baby dies at birth, or in the womb, it is gaurenteed Heaven even with original sin because God judges us on what we know in life about the Faith.

"Original Sin" is a Christian concept. The term was coined by Tertullian, a 2nd-century theologian, almost two-hundred years after Jesus. What took so long to discover this teaching?

"Original Sin" begins with the Book of Genesis, from the Hebew Torah, but Judaism does not believe in the doctrine of "Original Sin". The Torah was written hundreds of years before Jesus, why did it take nearly a thousand years to "discover" this doctrine?

Where in the New Testament does Jesus refer to "Original Sin"? Sin, sure but "Original Sin" explicitly?

In my opinion if there is an original sin it was committed by God(YHWH)....

The Reality of the Rulers

"Their chief is blind; because of his power and his ignorance and his arrogance he said, with his power, "It is I who am God; there is none apart from me." When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And this speech got up to incorruptibility; then there was a voice that came forth from incorruptibility, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael(god of the blind)."

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"Can the blind lead the blind? Shall they not both fall into the ditch?"

But in regards to the "sin" committed by Adam and Eve, I don't see anything wrong with what they did. They ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and that was wrong? In my opinion only an "evil" God would get angry at them for gaining the knowledge of good and evil.


The Reality of the Rulers

"And the snake, the instructor, said, "With death you shall not die; for it was out of jealousy that he said this to you. Rather your eyes shall open and you shall come to be like gods, recognizing evil and good." And the female instructing principle was taken away from the snake, and she left it behind, merely a thing of the earth.

And the carnal woman took from the tree and ate; and she gave to her husband as well as herself; and these beings that possessed only a soul, ate. And their imperfection became apparent in their lack of knowledge; and they recognized that they were naked of the spiritual element, and took fig leaves and bound them upon their loins."

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Jesus said, "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world."

And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death."

It's interesting that you don't care about what happens after we die, but yet you have a vision of how you see yourself in hell.

In any case, to the question. I believe we create our own good and bad, (heaven/hell paradigm), through our own agency. And as such we are responsible for everything we do. Everything counts, sort of speak. As such, we reap what we sow, as some faiths proclaim, only in the moment to moment through action and reaction.
Therefore, I believe if one is not invested with a personal sense of self-respect, which then engenders respect for the world at large and one's place of respect as an equal in it, then no measure of mythology is going to instill what is already naturally in deficit in the individual. If one must be frightened into behaving, sooner or later their real nature will win out and that dark side, as some would call it, will rise and exercise itself according to it's true nature. Because while there are many wolves in sheep's clothing, the sheep attire is a mere frock, whereas the wolf beneath (the true nature) is ever present, whereas the frock is mutable.

After death no one knows. All is imagining that lends comfort to this mortal ego faced with the inevitable reality, above all faith; we are born to die.

That's why it's incumbent to live as if there is only this chance to make the most of your self. The legacy we leave behind is our mythology written by our faith in our sense of self worth, as we lived our life and affected others in the process. We can live to manifest hell, and be so remembered. Or we can live to manifest heaven because we're worth the living in the peace and balance that implies, and leave in our wake the better for our passing through.
It's not a matter of denominational pronouncements that make one worthy of living a good life as long as they comply to the tenets of that which is pronounced, so as to be rewarded for the effort to care, after. Rather I see it as having always been a matter of how one feels about who they are as a human being first! When asked to give of that person(al) to others that assist them in concert through the give and take that makes a life in the living.

That picture was a gift from a friend I had no part in making it I thought it was pretty cool.

People belive in God because other people tell them to? I, am the only one in my family that is truly considered a Catholic. I believe in the laws of God for the morals they stand out for. Not because my mother and father want me to. I disagree with many things in the Bible but I do not say: "Oh, this is too hard to be pure and it sucks because GOD HAS NO CLUE ABOUT OUR LIVES AND OUR VIEWS ON LIFE."

You say you're a good person? WRONG. We are all sinners, no one has been sinless since Christ. I have sinned, you have sinned. This topic that you started is a sin you commited because you say God is some overated person that has people who follow him only because their told to. People have true faith in God and you are failing his test. Ye who are truly pure, with have faith in the Lord even when there is no one else to stand with them. In other words: People truly believe in God because they've had life threatening, horrifying, or just a simple 5 year old in the closet scared, kind of expiriences. Some even value their existence(Clearly, not you) and are in high spirit so they willingly thank God even if he has not done anything out of the ordinary for him.

You are the typical: follow the 'Today's Crowd' that thinks they're so more superior than Christians. You think that God's rules are stupid, because of the age we live in, the technology we have. You are no more than a follower who thinks we today are the most superior form of our species.



PS. If you were in Hell(Which you very well may be...but hey "You don't care.") You would most definintly not look like that, Hell is described as a place of eternal damnation and torchure until the Final Judgement. You would be burnt, scarred, and not looking like an emo-punk person that you appear to be.



But oh, I repect your opinion against God. No I don't.

Well if you have accepted Jesus as your saviour then you have been forgiven completely forever, so you can enjoy waiting for him to return instead of dreading it!

Hebrews says jesus offered one sacrifice for sins for ever.
Johns gospels tells us this; CH 3.
16 For God so loved the world that he gave 7 his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.
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For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn 8 the world, but that the world might be saved through him.
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Whoever believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

It continues...

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Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.

See this site;
http://www.faithalone.org/Sure/Default.htm

Mind you all that the point of Baptism is to completely renew us from the Original Sin of Adam and Eve.

Baptism cannot take sin away. It is not biblical.

That would be incorrect.


"Jesus answered, 'Truly, truly, I say to you,
Unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
(John 3:5)

"Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
(Mat 28:19)

UnDeadDoll, you have issues. Its you kids that teach people to believe in the wrong things. I hope youre not a goth and cut yourself for pleasure... Kids...
But anyway, God's purpose is to create the perfect world of peace and harmony. Without Him and without teachings of the bible and other religions, all chaos would have been let loose a while back.

You know I have only told a handful of people this but I had an experience in all terms I would call it a near death experience. I don't try to define it but it did have a huge influence in me steeping away from my religion. I realized that religion does not matter in the scheme of things and I found out many other people that have these experiences say the same thing. If you ask me now what I think happens when you die, well I would say you get what you expect and hell does not exist, only if you make it so by isolating yourself from love. As corny as it may sound I formerly used to believe that faith was all you need, I now believe that love is all that matters, religion is secondary.

To each his own if that external things helps you in your path however I no longer fear death, and I no fear God's wrath. You're right it would be selfish for god to base our decisions on one book. One only has to look at the wrathful vengeful God of the bible to know that these were men's biases at the time and have nothing to do with a loving creator of a source of eternal life. God to me is love and is everywhere and everything and what happens after you die is quite possibly the choice of your own making. I couldn't and wouldn't impress my experience on anyone else.

How could you tell another that they are failing God's test? "Today's Crowd?" No one thinks they are more superior to christians I imagine people are just tired of being told that this is the only truth and all the evidence otherwise should be thrown away because it doesn't coincide with a book. I feel personally like its the other way around, Christians think they need to save everyone else but still haven't saved themselves from the same exact sins they commit along with everyone else. the only difference is that they seek repentance through an outside source, being Jesus. The point is to live like him not worship him.

Feeling superior to the cristians or the followers of other religions? uumm...no. I follow the policy of "live and let live". or the more comon "everyone ass is a pot, and he put the flower that likes most".

The problem comes when the cristians or other religion folllowers try to force their belives down my troath and use the "i am holier than you" actitude, against all logic and rational thinking. Soo, i give them the middle finger, and continue my life, living it at fullest. There is something after life? I dont care. I care for the life, not what is after.

Well your god is a failure. 'cos this rock is the furthest thing from "peace and harmony".


Theirs your "teachings".
It's those kinda teachings, that resulted in September 11.
Faith goes two ways [good vs evil], both ways end with evil.

first and formost I did not go ranting in other people's faces when they shared their opinions so I don't think I deserve the insults I got.second of all to the person who said they've had life threatening expeiriences you don't know if I have or not and you don't know me.I was forced to be a christian til I was 14 yrs old and not just any ordinary christian and pentecostal they have to wear skirts not cut their hair not wear make up not listen to any other kind of music besides christian music.Now.I have stepped out of that world so I can explain a view from both and I have been through alot in my life and I have had near death expeiriences but I don't give "god" credit for me living it just happend that I didn't die.for the guy who said Im todays in crowd and I'm a kid you don't know how old I am.and I don't have a crowd I don't cut myself and I'm not a goth I only associate with a few close friends because you are the example of what most people are ignorant. but thanks for sharing your views anyway

I respect that you had the experience that caused you to rethink your life, which is of no matter to anyone but yourself as the one living it. If others have no respect for that, consider the source and the blessing, after such attempts at insult are levied; at least you are not them!
Just a suggestion here; no one can insult you without your permission. You are not responsible for living up to others opinion of you. Rather, others opinion and the manner in which they express that speaks volumes for who they are. (Jealous, intolerant, bigoted, etc...)

I once saw actress Sharon Stone in an interview. She was talking about a producer (maybe he was a director, not sure which.), friend of hers that she had been with when he passed away from complications of AIDS. Just when she thought he had passed over, he came back! She said he turned to her with the most radiant face and said , LOVE! It's all about love! And then she said he had said something about wishing he could live long enough to make a movie that would tell people what he learned. Then he closed his eyes and departed for the final time.

I believe it is all about love. Humans are destroying themselves because of greed. No other animal on Earth defiles it's own habitat because even llama's know it is not wise to sh** where you eat!

In the end, unless we learn hate must be learned, we will perish by our own hand. Blindly occupied with the necessities of surviving, led around like sheep by the authorities that command body, mind and spirit. Comforting the decay with platitudes of pie in the sky after it matters, and all the while reaching for more without having respect for the fact that sooner or later, "More" runs out if it's source is not replenished.

We could easily save ourselves. Free energy , renewable resources, recycling. We could have stopped riding the Dinosaur long ago, if the powers that be didn't roll in cash @ dollars on the barrel head. And in the meantime we have the technology to make fuel injector engines that can get hundreds of miles to the gallon. (Carburetors as well). We have the ability, and in some case the patents, to make batteries that never die. Tires that never need replacing. We can heat our homes with solar power, (free energy).

In China, where recycling and renewable resources are vital considering the population, they have developed machines that recycle into pellets for energy (like heat), almost all household trash! If only we could consider implementing something like that across America, where now, in centuries in future, civilizations that excavate our present day remains will probably wonder why we left behind a legacy of garbage on our soil and in our seas! (Consider the AIDS virus that has been detected through Necropsy in whales and dolphins that beach themselves. Seemingly for no reason. Ever wonder how they contracted that virus?! Us! That's how!)

That's why I was amused when I visit the Church of Euthanasia website. "Save the planet, kill yourself!" It's a tongue in cheek, semi-serious, metaphor for all those "Anti" brigades that exist. (Anti-fur, anti-meat, anti-fun, anti..... (Often tax exempt, which makes them impotent as manifesting any change for the cause they claim to trumpet, because the best most effective way to change negative policy is to lobby for legislative change. Tax exempt charities and organizations, are prohibited from doing that! Consequently they goad the naive, big hearted concerned citizen into sending money for "change", and all the while the only change is found in that tax exempt (which is incentive in itself to send money for the tax break you get after), organization. Only it's not coin, it's millions of dollars that do no good in changing anything wrong, save making poor charity members rich!)

You see, what you said is true. No one this side of living knows what awaits in the surety of our demise. However those that are offensive in trying to put forth their opinion, speak volumes for the fear they feel for that inevitable arrival, which is representative of how they live their entire lives getting there. Yep, stay strong "Doll" and live your life as you see fit!



*edit Sshakespeare*

Very nice post IF. Eleanor Roosevelt said something similar to how people treat you.

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt, 'This Is My Story,' 1937

What a great thought.

Here's a story that might seem like bull****, but it was an awesome experience...


I prayed to God in Heaven for over 2 hours straight for the children in poor countries, the dying, and the suffering. I prayed for all of the people I have met, or could remember. Then I laid down with my hands at my side on my bed, with my eyes closed, feeling very good inside. (Prayer for others not only helps those you are praying for, but it also helps the Prayer giver.) I laid there in silence, and in the darkness of my inner vision shined two small bright white lights. I was not scared because of the Prayer. The first thing I thought was wow! This is cool! Those two white lights came closer and closer, then entered my eyes. At that moment I thought the experience was over, until I opened my eyes. Because when I did, it was the greatest and most wonderful thing I could have ever imagined. I was floating about ten feet above the roof of my house! It took a few seconds to realize where I was, and what was happening. My vision was different, almost blurry, yet very clear, it was as though every color was mixed in together, within my eyes. I could hear a trickling waterfall on my right side. I looked down to see my roof, then I looked to my right at the tops of the trees in my backyard. Amongst all other things that are possible in the Astral realm, the only thing I really wanted to do, was tell my Mother and Father, who were upstairs in the living room. The next thing I did was look up at the sky, I could see dark grey clouds, and it was night. Immediately the clouds parted East and West, to reveal a bright blue sky. It was very beautiful, but for some reason, I cared alot more about telling my parents. So I decided to try to wake myself up, I tried to speak but nothing came out. I got a little bit anxious, and tried a few more times. On the third or fourth try I awoke lying on my side making an uhhhhhhhhhhhhh sound. Right away I ran upstairs to tell my family. The entire experience lasted about one minute.

M.J.C.

Fascinating. I bet as you wrote that you were seeing it all again, just as vividly as the first time. I know about those blending colors and the light that you speak of. That's why I know you can still see it so clearly in memory. How can one ever forget what they see with these eyes, of what lives beyond the veil that makes us believe all this is all that important.

((HUG)) Thank you for telling your parents and us, Chin.

Chin

It sounds like you had an outter body experience. Prayer is very powerful in many forms. We all have different ways about it but they are powerful. I meditate but I also feel that everytime I can help another, or love another or work to turn a negative thought into a positive before it takes me over I feel I'm in prayer. "Pray without ceasing" I tell myself.

When you have an experience like this it is very compelling isn't it? My own have served as inspiration. I hope yours does as well.

All the best.

You're welcome. I'm glad to share it.

I can still see it very clearly in my mind... though it is just like any other memory I guess..., not any more or less clear than any memory.

Many people have left their bodies, maybe not always under the same conditions, ie., Praying to God. Only in that way is my story unique...

It seems I stumbled upon a way by accident to leave your body while awake... if I use the Biblical term, I believe it is called " Entering The Spirit".

Hopefully by the way it was written, you could practically see it as I did in your imagination.








Yes, you're right, it was an out of body experience.

Meditation is like prayer I think... and there are many ways we can pray as you've mentioned. Praying to God is just another form of Meditation... I study things like Qigong, Kung Fu, and have meditated on visual things, etc., though I have never had an extraordinary life-altering experience as I have with praying to God... specifically for other people...

That shouldn't take away from what can be gained by practicing different types of meditation though...

All the best,
Matt

I don't have time right now.... But I'll get back on here later on tonight and post where people go when they die. It is all in the scriptures, I'll be back with the quotes, but I can't right now. The quotes aren't really long, but they're in many different places in the Bible so it'll take a while for me to find them all.


In the words of California's Govenor:

"I'll be back."

God gives us freedom to do make our own choices, we just have to try not to SIN too bad
while enjoying our freedom, I believe that deep down everyone knows whether what there doing is good or bad, you just feel it in your heart........
As for you not caring where you will go when you die, YOU SHOULD, cause in the long run and in the end he is the only one who will decide where we all go..............
You should trust and have faith him that there is a better place than here....

Perhaps that would be easier if "he" didn't create the hell that is the other place than here or there as heaven, because he decided to curse for all eternity his own creation the moment of creation, for doing exactly as he knew they would in the garden of his creation!?

And then centuries later he gave humans a break and sent his only begotten son through the agency of an angels rape of a virgin engaged woman to get her pregnant for the soul purpose of having the babe grow into the man to suffer horribly and be executed to prove he's over it , loves us and now if we only bathe ourselves in that split blood of his suicide son, drink of it later and eat of the flesh of that tortured, dead then revived redeemer, so as to be in communion with the spirit that caused it all to transpire, we'll be forgiven Eve's sin and our own!

Btw, ever wonder why , if the tree of knowledge was forbidden, it was created by god to be in the garden of Eden to be an issue in the first place!? Tempted by thy god? And how about that snake!? Paradise entered into so easily by the deceiver in disguise and on god's watch? How did he miss that in Eden?!

Okay, now I know I said the quotes weren't really long, but now that I've found them maybe they are a little long......but anyway, this is what the topic is all about so if you want to know the truth here it comes.....

When people die they go to Sheol. Sheol is located inside/underneath the Earth. It is where the Garden of Eden is located, it is where the fallen angels are kept in chains in their prison (could be refered to as the abyss or the pit), and it is where the places that house the souls of men are kept.

The most detailed account I know of about Sheol, in particular, where the souls of men are kept, is in the book of Enoch. But before I post the quotes from Enoch I would like to present some citations about Enoch from the cannonized bible. The first mention of Enoch is at the very begining of the bible in Genesis.

Genesis: Chp. 5 Verses: 21-24

And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begot Methuselah:
And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Again, Enoch is mentioned in The Letter of Jude...

Jude: Chp. 1 Verses: 14-15

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesized of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousand of his saints,
To execute judgement upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

I'm pretty sure Enoch is mentioned in Revelations as well, but while skiming through it I couldn't find it. Anyway, now that Enoch has been shown to be a real prophet whose work was talked about by others it is now time to look at what Enoch said about where the souls of men are kept in Sheol.

Brace yourself, this is the whole chapter (not that long, but for a quote, long)

Enoch: Chp. XXIL Verses: 1-15

From thence I proceeded to another spot, where I saw on the west a great and lofty mountain, a strong rock, and four delightful places.
Internally it was deep, capacious, and very smooth; as smooth as if it had been rolled over: it was both deep and dark to behold.
Then Raphael, one of the holy angels that was with me, answered and said, these are the delightful places where the spirits, the souls of the dead, will be collected; for them were they formed; and here will be collected all the souls of the sons of men.
These places, in which they dwell shall they occupy until the day of judgement, and until their appointed period.
Their appointed period will be long, even until the great judgement. And I saw the spirits of the sons of men who were dead; and their voices reached heaven, while they were accusing.
Then I inquired of Raphael, an angel who was with me, and said, Whose spirit is that, the voice of which reaches to heaven and accuses?
He answered, saying, this is the spirit of Abel, who was slain by Cain his brother; and who will accuse that brother, until his seed be destroyed from the face of the earth;
Until his seed perish from the seed of the human race.
At that time therefore I inquired respecting him, and respecting the general judgement, saying, Why is one seperated from another? He said, Three seperations have been made between the spirits of the dead, and thus have the spirits of the righteous been seperated.
Namely, by a chasm, by water, and by light above it.
And in the same way likewise are sinners seperated when they die, and are buried in the earth; judgement not over taking them in their lifetime.
Here their souls are seperated. Moreover, abundant is their suffering until the time of the great judgement, the castigation, and the torment of those who eternally execrate, who souls are punished and bound there for ever.
And thus has it been since the begining of the world. Thus has there existed a seperation between the souls of those that utter complaints, and of those who watch for their destruction, to slaughter them in the day of sinners.
A recepticale of this sort has been formed for the souls of unrighteous men, and of sinners; of those that have completed crime, and associated with the impious, whom they resemble. Their souls shall not be annihilated in the day of judgement, neither shall they arise from this place. Then I blessed God,
And said, Blessed by my Lord, the Lord of glory and of righteousness, who reigns over all for ever and for ever.


Now that you have seen mention of Enoch and have heard his words about where the souls of men go in Sheol after they die, here are a few quotes from the Bible that mention Sheol (as a place you go when you die, and as being inside/underneath earth)....

Note: Most Christian bibles have edited out/omited Sheol; to get the true translation you need a Jewish bible/translation of the O.T., that makes sure to include everything written from its' original language and doesn't exclude things.

Genesis: Chp. 42 Verse: 38

But he said (Jacob/Israel),
"My son must not go down with you, for his brother is dead and he alone is left. If he meets with disaster on the journey you are taking, you will send my white head down to Sheol in grief."

Numbers: Chp. 16 Verses: 31-35

Scarcely had he finished speaking all these words when the ground burst asunder, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up with their households, all Korah's people and all their possessions. They went down alive into Sheol, with all that belonged to them; the earth closed over them and they vanished from the midst of the congregation. All Israel around them fled at their shrieks, for they said, "The earth might swallow us!"
And a fire went forth from the Lord and consumed the two hundred and fifty men offering the incense.

Along with that, here are a few quotes from Ecclesiastes that speak of people dieing and going to Sheol, and how they don't have a part in anything under the sun again until the end of time or great judgement........in other words, the things that are supposed to be ghosts/spirits of dead people; or guides/mediums that are supposed to be dead people, aren't dead people! They're demons or/ fallen angels, it's satan trying to lead you down the wrong path.

Ecclesiastes: Chp. 9 Verses: 4-6

For he who is reckoned among the living has something to look forward to-even a live dog is better then a dead lion-since the living know they will die. But the dead know nothing; they have no more recompense, for even the memory of them has died. Their loves, their hates, their jealousies have long since perished; and they have no more share till the end of time in all that goes on under the sun.

Ecc: Chp. 9 Vesre: 10

Whatever is in your power to do, do with all your might. For there is no action, no reasoning, no learning, no wisdom in Sheol, where you are going.


And there you have it, that is where you will go when you die, Sheol.

Excerpt:
(sic)..."The words HELL, GRAVE and PIT were all used for the same Hebrew word SHEOL in the KJV. (Bible -King James Version) (source)."

So there you have it. Perhaps when we die, Sheol is the grave where this high and mighty destructive force lies in repose, after acting all it's life on faith there was a reason to do all they did with the only time one knew for a fact they had in the time to do it.

And really, there is an absolute, after life. Death! But for some, imagining death or existing no more forever, is more than the flesh can bear. It makes us common unto all else that lives and dies, rotting out of one's former self, no longer recognizable as "special". No wonder in the long ago someone learned how to embalm the flesh, so even as to prevent that from happening! However in our domain we make myths that imagine to life , of all those other lives that exist and pass away, that we are special and above that.

What's the heartbreak that in the process of thinking ourselves as special, and destined to live forever somewhere else, we don't act like we're special enough to care about creating a better world right here. (as a global population of people and powers).

Instead we defile the world to gain more of anything and everything here, for ourselves. And then we dare make pronouncements of faithful imaginings that after it's all said and done, we deserve to be rewarded or damned somewhere else we can not see from here. Meanwhile all those that passed from flesh, and left this world encumbered for their presence, did affect a legacy of pollution, war, famine, disease, poverty, etc... And in that it is they that have made our living Sheol, already!