This was a PM to Wyatt, but I believe everyone here needs to hear it. If you EVER have any hope of understanding metaphysics, or even someday performing a REAL TELEKINETIC FEAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO WITH OTHER PEOPLE WATCHING YOU!!!, you MUST read this post.

It may be long, but rome was not built in a day. Neither does a yogi master slow his heartbeat and enter suspended animation after two weeks of practice.

Now, many people would call me a skeptic, many would call me a believer. I consider myself a bit of both. I believe I understand metaphysics on a level that most people here do not, so many times it seem like I am being skeptical, when I am merely being realistic.

I realize many of you have an interest in the metaphysical. While it is my personal opinion that most people with that interest are usually the ones who should not persue it, I will not tell you what to do, or how to live your life. But, if you do choose to persue it, you might as well start off properly.

I have been around these forums for many years, and seen many people come and go. And first and formost, I need to to be aware of a phenomena of human nature. When you understand this phenomena, if you decide to persue metaphysics, it will be a much easier journey. You will be able to weed out the fakes, the frauds, the kids with over active imaginations, the kids who desperately seek attention, and the kids who would do anything just to be special."

The phenomena is called "Reality validation", and it can cause a person to believe very strongly something is real when it is not, or disbelieve something is real when it is.

Let me explain to you how it works by using an extreme example first, and then a practical example.

Lets say there is a cazy man in a mental hospital. This poor fellow believes he can fly. He cannot of course, but he was hanging around with several other crazy people who have been telling him that they themselves had flown, and that a human flying is a possible thing. Long ago, he went home and tried his hardest to fly. And because he wanted to fly so very badly, he could have sworn he rose a few inches off the ground. Or maybe just a few millimeters. The next day, he tells the other crazy people, "Last night, I think I might have risen a few inches off the ground when I tried to fly". Well, all the crazy people get very excited, and congratulate him on his amazing progress. They tell him that he must be gifted, as not many people can fly so soon. But everyone can fly if they try hard enough. This makes him feel special. And it makes him believe even more that he truely can infact fly!

Everynight he tries flying again. And each time, he swears he felt some movement. He tells his mother about it, and she says, "You nuts! People can't fly! Are you that stupid?"

This make the man feel very sad. He was so excited at his newfound "skill", and he felt like he had a special gift that made him different from everyone else.

Later that night, he visits the crazy people again. He tells them that his mom doesn't believe he can fly. All the crazy people are very supportive. They reasure him saying, "of course you can! Didn't you feel it? You can fly! You are a special individual with a special gift! And everyone can fly if they try hard enough!" This makes the man once again feel special and excited, and he goes home to practice his technique, and to try to perfect his art of flying.

The man stops talking to his mom about it. All she ever does is tell him he's normal, that he's crazy to think he can fly. So he hangs around with the crazy people as much as he can, and believes that all the while he is making incredible progress with flight.

The reality is, this man has never flown. He has never risen an inch off the ground. But the crazy people have given him such elaborate techniques and support for flying, he has convinced himself that it IS possible, and that he has even achieved it in small amounts.

But he never has. He believes he has, but never has.

6 months pass, and the man's mother has learned of her son's growing insanity. She ends up putting him in an insane asylum. The doctors there tell him that he cannot fly, but he refuses to believe them. He tells them that he did fly once. He swears by it. He tells the doctors of his other fiends who can fly. He tells them they too can fly if they try hard enough! After all, he is living proof that it is possible! But as time passes, the man begins to wonder if he really DID fly. He trys his techniques, but they don't seem to work anymore.

Finally, the man realizes that humans cannot fly. He realizes that HE cannot fly. But, admitting that the whole thing was all in his head was a very embarassing and painful thing to do. For the longest time, he simply could not bring his self to even consider that he might be wrong. All those wonderful feelings of discovering an amazing power! Everything he ever dreamed seemed to be coming to life. But now, the man feels like an idiot. But he now is no longer crazy. He no longer believes in something that cannot happen. It was hard for him to come to this realization. So hard, that the doctors are amazed it happened, as is the man.

Why did this man go from thinking he could fly, to thinking he could not fly? The validation of his reality chaged.

There are two realities: The one YOU yourself see, and the one everyone else sees. If one person believes he can fly, he is only crazy if no one else believes he can. BUT, if people start believing he can fly, suddenly, he is no longer crazy. Suddenly everyone knows him as "The flying man", regardless of whether or not he can actually fly.

You see, YOUR personal reality will never feel as real as the COLLECTIVE reality. I can imagine all day that I can fly. But unless someone else also TRUELY believes I can, I can never live the life a "flying man" could.

If another person VALIDATES your reality by believing in it, this reinforces the emotional effect of your PERSONAL reality with HIS personal reality. The more people who validate your reality, the more real if becomes. And if you get enough people wrongly validating your reality, you may very well end up believing in something that was never true to begin with. It is quite possible to become 100% sucked into to a completely falsely validated reality, and never come out again. It happenes all the time.

This is the danger of a website like this. Many people come to this site who have had their realities flasely validated. Many people come to this website with a false personal reality, looking for others to validate it. (This is why we see SO many people coming on here saying, "I think I have psychic powers but I'm not sure. I'm even little freaked out. What do you think?" They are looking for outside validation of their reality, most of the time without even realizing what they are doing.)

In turn, they will falsely validate other people's wrong realities. Do you see how it spreads? Sooner or later, you will have people believing in a false metaphysical phenomena, but they will be backed up by hundereds of other people who all believe the same false thing. And they will never realize their error if they do not talk to other people who do not validate their false reality.

Infact, they will shun, curse and, and ridicule anyone who questions them and their false reality. They will say, "You just don't understand", or, "Just because YOU think so doesn't make it true".

Like a king who has built an empire will fight for it until the death, so will a person who has build up a false reality.

And this is the real danger.
This can cause a person to spend a lifetime in a false metaphysical reality without ever coming close to realizing the truth of metaphysics. This can also prevent a person from properly maturing.

Now, here is the practical example, and please, I do not intend to insult you, I intend to help you.

In Wyatt's post, he mentioned that he thinks he might be "aerokinetic".

I assure you that the word "aerokinetic" is purely an invetion of the internet, and will not appear in any metaphysical books. What you will see happen in these forums is people sticking the word "kinetic" at the end of any other word, and trying to use it to explain a metaphysical phemonena. You will see "pyrokinesis" for the manipulation of fire, "cryokinesis" for the manipulation of cold or ice, "aquakinesis" for the manipulation of water, or "terakinesis" for the manipulation of rocks or dirt.

What you must understand are these are all catch phrases used mostly by misguided youth who falsely validate each other's reality, perpetuating the ignorance of the TRUE metaphysic world.

The word "kinetic" or "kinesis" refers to movement. "Telekinesis" means "movement by remote means". To be a telekinetic is to be able to move matter with your mind. ALL matter, whether it be water, rocks, or ice.

This may seem like a small difference, but you MUST keep this in mind if you are to avoid being sucked into a false metaphysical reality. If someone says, "I'm terakinetic", you can correct them by saying, "You mean Telekinetic". Terakinetic literally means "earthmoving", and does not refer to "Earth moving by remote means" whatsoever. Infact, if you can pick up a rock and throw it, you are terekinetic. If you can throw a rock with your mind without touching it with your body, you are telekinetic. (Tele=remote. Kinetic=movement)

If you ever see the words "Electrokinetic, or Pyrokinetic", you can know right away that these are false techniques. No one who can actually truely move fire with their mind is immature enough metaphysically to call it "pyrokinesis". It would be like a professional baseball player calling the baseball "The white thingy".

Why? Because "kinetic" energy is the force behind matter which is already moving. A ball rolling down a hill has forward kinetic energy, untill it stops moving. Then it has what's called "potential energy". The ball has the potential to be kicked, which will once again give it kinetic energy.

(Side note: Normally electricity is the only thing which can create kinetic energy IE electric motors and your own muscles tranfer electrical signal into kinetic energy. Fusion and fission can also create kinetic energy.)

The reason "pryokinesis" or "electrokinesis" are technically false are because fire and electricity are ENERGY. And energy it's self cannot also have kinetic energy. It goes against the fundemental laws of all mathematics and physics. And it just plain doesn't make sense. (Saying that this type of energy has energy is like saying this type of matter has matter)

Maybe you are saying, " Physics and math can't explain telekinesis". That's not entirely true. Science has not been able to FULLY explain telekinesis. But science has also not been able to FULLY explain the origins of the universe, hallucinations, or even why there is no unified feild equation. The human mind is a the most complex thing in existance. One strand of your DNA actually contains more exponential data than all the galaxies combined. Trying to explain the mind, using our mind, is a little like trying to explain that things float in water by pouring water into more water.

Now, I am not saying that it is not possible to move the flame of a candle with your mind. Or direct the flow of water in a cup. Or even create a tiny ait current. What I AM saying is you should avoid using the words "Pyrokinesis, cryokinesis, and aerokinesis". Why? Because the only people who use those words have a flasely validated reality. Any person who genuinely KNOWS something about metaphysics will never use those terms. Just like no major league picher will go his whole career calling the ball "The white thingy" or the bat "The hitty stick". He'd be laughed off the team by the real players.

Another thing to keep in mind is that it often takes people decades before they can perform their first telekinetic feat. There has been one or two instances in recorded history of an individual born with a special knack for it, but this is less common than being born with three arms and six legs.

Though the kids around these forums would have you believe they all have multiple limbs...*chuckles*

So wyatt, or anyone else, if you would like to talk more about your curiosity in metaphysics, please feel free to PM me, or email me at brokenjohnnynofix@hotmail.com . I would certainly like to help you begin this journey properly, if you would let me. And I do have a "knack" for being able to pick out a flasely validated reality.
Insight

Silver there was no reason for you to quote the original subject in its entirety.

Insight... im curious as to what you think about "Astral Travel"... what is your take astral projection, is as probable to you as a sixth toe?

Just curious.

If I wanted to get into a religious discussion, I would head over to the religion board. I do pop in there from time to time, however, most discussiuons there are simply chasing after the wind.

Well, most discussions about unexplained things are chasing after the wind not just religious related stuff, and imo if we want to understand a given subject we must consider everything not just a part.

I agree with that. However, when any religious facet is brought into a topic, heated debates arise. I have learned not to cross certain boundries anymore, for myself, and others. However, if you would like my opinions regarding metaphysics, and the miracles of Jesus Christ, I'd be happy to discuss them in PM.

Where you both drunk or tripping on something...because that kind of makes any occurances....suspect.

This was a PM to Wyatt, but I believe everyone here needs to hear it. If you EVER have any hope of understanding metaphysics, or even someday performing a REAL TELEKINETIC FEAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO WITH OTHER PEOPLE WATCHING YOU!!!, you MUST read this post.

It may be long, but rome was not built in a day. Neither does a yogi master slow his heartbeat and enter suspended animation after two weeks of practice.

Now, many people would call me a skeptic, many would call me a believer. I consider myself a bit of both. I believe I understand metaphysics on a level that most people here do not, so many times it seem like I am being skeptical, when I am merely being realistic.

I realize many of you have an interest in the metaphysical. While it is my personal opinion that most people with that interest are usually the ones who should not persue it, I will not tell you what to do, or how to live your life. But, if you do choose to persue it, you might as well start off properly.

I have been around these forums for many years, and seen many people come and go. And first and formost, I need to to be aware of a phenomena of human nature. When you understand this phenomena, if you decide to persue metaphysics, it will be a much easier journey. You will be able to weed out the fakes, the frauds, the kids with over active imaginations, the kids who desperately seek attention, and the kids who would do anything just to be special."

The phenomena is called "Reality validation", and it can cause a person to believe very strongly something is real when it is not, or disbelieve something is real when it is.

Let me explain to you how it works by using an extreme example first, and then a practical example.

Lets say there is a cazy man in a mental hospital. This poor fellow believes he can fly. He cannot of course, but he was hanging around with several other crazy people who have been telling him that they themselves had flown, and that a human flying is a possible thing. Long ago, he went home and tried his hardest to fly. And because he wanted to fly so very badly, he could have sworn he rose a few inches off the ground. Or maybe just a few millimeters. The next day, he tells the other crazy people, "Last night, I think I might have risen a few inches off the ground when I tried to fly". Well, all the crazy people get very excited, and congratulate him on his amazing progress. They tell him that he must be gifted, as not many people can fly so soon. But everyone can fly if they try hard enough. This makes him feel special. And it makes him believe even more that he truely can infact fly!

Everynight he tries flying again. And each time, he swears he felt some movement. He tells his mother about it, and she says, "You nuts! People can't fly! Are you that stupid?"

This make the man feel very sad. He was so excited at his newfound "skill", and he felt like he had a special gift that made him different from everyone else.

Later that night, he visits the crazy people again. He tells them that his mom doesn't believe he can fly. All the crazy people are very supportive. They reasure him saying, "of course you can! Didn't you feel it? You can fly! You are a special individual with a special gift! And everyone can fly if they try hard enough!" This makes the man once again feel special and excited, and he goes home to practice his technique, and to try to perfect his art of flying.

The man stops talking to his mom about it. All she ever does is tell him he's normal, that he's crazy to think he can fly. So he hangs around with the crazy people as much as he can, and believes that all the while he is making incredible progress with flight.

The reality is, this man has never flown. He has never risen an inch off the ground. But the crazy people have given him such elaborate techniques and support for flying, he has convinced himself that it IS possible, and that he has even achieved it in small amounts.

But he never has. He believes he has, but never has.

6 months pass, and the man's mother has learned of her son's growing insanity. She ends up putting him in an insane asylum. The doctors there tell him that he cannot fly, but he refuses to believe them. He tells them that he did fly once. He swears by it. He tells the doctors of his other fiends who can fly. He tells them they too can fly if they try hard enough! After all, he is living proof that it is possible! But as time passes, the man begins to wonder if he really DID fly. He trys his techniques, but they don't seem to work anymore.

Finally, the man realizes that humans cannot fly. He realizes that HE cannot fly. But, admitting that the whole thing was all in his head was a very embarassing and painful thing to do. For the longest time, he simply could not bring his self to even consider that he might be wrong. All those wonderful feelings of discovering an amazing power! Everything he ever dreamed seemed to be coming to life. But now, the man feels like an idiot. But he now is no longer crazy. He no longer believes in something that cannot happen. It was hard for him to come to this realization. So hard, that the doctors are amazed it happened, as is the man.

Why did this man go from thinking he could fly, to thinking he could not fly? The validation of his reality chaged.

There are two realities: The one YOU yourself see, and the one everyone else sees. If one person believes he can fly, he is only crazy if no one else believes he can. BUT, if people start believing he can fly, suddenly, he is no longer crazy. Suddenly everyone knows him as "The flying man", regardless of whether or not he can actually fly.

You see, YOUR personal reality will never feel as real as the COLLECTIVE reality. I can imagine all day that I can fly. But unless someone else also TRUELY believes I can, I can never live the life a "flying man" could.

If another person VALIDATES your reality by believing in it, this reinforces the emotional effect of your PERSONAL reality with HIS personal reality. The more people who validate your reality, the more real if becomes. And if you get enough people wrongly validating your reality, you may very well end up believing in something that was never true to begin with. It is quite possible to become 100% sucked into to a completely falsely validated reality, and never come out again. It happenes all the time.

This is the danger of a website like this. Many people come to this site who have had their realities flasely validated. Many people come to this website with a false personal reality, looking for others to validate it. (This is why we see SO many people coming on here saying, "I think I have psychic powers but I'm not sure. I'm even little freaked out. What do you think?" They are looking for outside validation of their reality, most of the time without even realizing what they are doing.)

In turn, they will falsely validate other people's wrong realities. Do you see how it spreads? Sooner or later, you will have people believing in a false metaphysical phenomena, but they will be backed up by hundereds of other people who all believe the same false thing. And they will never realize their error if they do not talk to other people who do not validate their false reality.

Infact, they will shun, curse and, and ridicule anyone who questions them and their false reality. They will say, "You just don't understand", or, "Just because YOU think so doesn't make it true".

Like a king who has built an empire will fight for it until the death, so will a person who has build up a false reality.

And this is the real danger.
This can cause a person to spend a lifetime in a false metaphysical reality without ever coming close to realizing the truth of metaphysics. This can also prevent a person from properly maturing.

Now, here is the practical example, and please, I do not intend to insult you, I intend to help you.

In Wyatt's post, he mentioned that he thinks he might be "aerokinetic".

I assure you that the word "aerokinetic" is purely an invetion of the internet, and will not appear in any metaphysical books. What you will see happen in these forums is people sticking the word "kinetic" at the end of any other word, and trying to use it to explain a metaphysical phemonena. You will see "pyrokinesis" for the manipulation of fire, "cryokinesis" for the manipulation of cold or ice, "aquakinesis" for the manipulation of water, or "terakinesis" for the manipulation of rocks or dirt.

What you must understand are these are all catch phrases used mostly by misguided youth who falsely validate each other's reality, perpetuating the ignorance of the TRUE metaphysic world.

The word "kinetic" or "kinesis" refers to movement. "Telekinesis" means "movement by remote means". To be a telekinetic is to be able to move matter with your mind. ALL matter, whether it be water, rocks, or ice.

This may seem like a small difference, but you MUST keep this in mind if you are to avoid being sucked into a false metaphysical reality. If someone says, "I'm terakinetic", you can correct them by saying, "You mean Telekinetic". Terakinetic literally means "earthmoving", and does not refer to "Earth moving by remote means" whatsoever. Infact, if you can pick up a rock and throw it, you are terekinetic. If you can throw a rock with your mind without touching it with your body, you are telekinetic. (Tele=remote. Kinetic=movement)

If you ever see the words "Electrokinetic, or Pyrokinetic", you can know right away that these are false techniques. No one who can actually truely move fire with their mind is immature enough metaphysically to call it "pyrokinesis". It would be like a professional baseball player calling the baseball "The white thingy".

Why? Because "kinetic" energy is the force behind matter which is already moving. A ball rolling down a hill has forward kinetic energy, untill it stops moving. Then it has what's called "potential energy". The ball has the potential to be kicked, which will once again give it kinetic energy.

(Side note: Normally electricity is the only thing which can create kinetic energy IE electric motors and your own muscles tranfer electrical signal into kinetic energy. Fusion and fission can also create kinetic energy.)

The reason "pryokinesis" or "electrokinesis" are technically false are because fire and electricity are ENERGY. And energy it's self cannot also have kinetic energy. It goes against the fundemental laws of all mathematics and physics. And it just plain doesn't make sense. (Saying that this type of energy has energy is like saying this type of matter has matter)

Maybe you are saying, " Physics and math can't explain telekinesis". That's not entirely true. Science has not been able to FULLY explain telekinesis. But science has also not been able to FULLY explain the origins of the universe, hallucinations, or even why there is no unified feild equation. The human mind is a the most complex thing in existance. One strand of your DNA actually contains more exponential data than all the galaxies combined. Trying to explain the mind, using our mind, is a little like trying to explain that things float in water by pouring water into more water.

Now, I am not saying that it is not possible to move the flame of a candle with your mind. Or direct the flow of water in a cup. Or even create a tiny ait current. What I AM saying is you should avoid using the words "Pyrokinesis, cryokinesis, and aerokinesis". Why? Because the only people who use those words have a flasely validated reality. Any person who genuinely KNOWS something about metaphysics will never use those terms. Just like no major league picher will go his whole career calling the ball "The white thingy" or the bat "The hitty stick". He'd be laughed off the team by the real players.

Another thing to keep in mind is that it often takes people decades before they can perform their first telekinetic feat. There has been one or two instances in recorded history of an individual born with a special knack for it, but this is less common than being born with three arms and six legs.

Though the kids around these forums would have you believe they all have multiple limbs...*chuckles*

So wyatt, or anyone else, if you would like to talk more about your curiosity in metaphysics, please feel free to PM me, or email me at brokenjohnnynofix@hotmail.com . I would certainly like to help you begin this journey properly, if you would let me. And I do have a "knack" for being able to pick out a flasely validated reality.
Insight

the thing is, i do agree, if we think we moved something with our mind, we've probably just manipulated our minds into thinking, yes we did move the object, when in reality it didnt move a bit. we have the power to manipulating our mind into thinking we did something when we did do it, and then when we find out the truth its terrible because you think you did all of this amazing stuff, while the world thinks your crazy, you thought you could do all this paranormal stuff when the reality is YOU DIDNT! sorry to crush some peoples dreams of becoming telekinetic or something but it is true.

the thing is, i do agree, if we think we moved something with our mind, we've probably just manipulated our minds into thinking, yes we did move the object, when in reality it didnt move a bit. we have the power to manipulating our mind into thinking we did something when we did do it, and then when we find out the truth its terrible because you think you did all of this amazing stuff, while the world thinks your crazy, you thought you could do all this paranormal stuff when the reality is YOU DIDNT! sorry to crush some peoples dreams of becoming telekinetic or something but it is true.