This was a PM to Wyatt, but I believe everyone here needs to hear it. If you EVER have any hope of understanding metaphysics, or even someday performing a REAL TELEKINETIC FEAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO WITH OTHER PEOPLE WATCHING YOU!!!, you MUST read this post.

It may be long, but rome was not built in a day. Neither does a yogi master slow his heartbeat and enter suspended animation after two weeks of practice.

Now, many people would call me a skeptic, many would call me a believer. I consider myself a bit of both. I believe I understand metaphysics on a level that most people here do not, so many times it seem like I am being skeptical, when I am merely being realistic.

I realize many of you have an interest in the metaphysical. While it is my personal opinion that most people with that interest are usually the ones who should not persue it, I will not tell you what to do, or how to live your life. But, if you do choose to persue it, you might as well start off properly.

I have been around these forums for many years, and seen many people come and go. And first and formost, I need to to be aware of a phenomena of human nature. When you understand this phenomena, if you decide to persue metaphysics, it will be a much easier journey. You will be able to weed out the fakes, the frauds, the kids with over active imaginations, the kids who desperately seek attention, and the kids who would do anything just to be special."

The phenomena is called "Reality validation", and it can cause a person to believe very strongly something is real when it is not, or disbelieve something is real when it is.

Let me explain to you how it works by using an extreme example first, and then a practical example.

Lets say there is a cazy man in a mental hospital. This poor fellow believes he can fly. He cannot of course, but he was hanging around with several other crazy people who have been telling him that they themselves had flown, and that a human flying is a possible thing. Long ago, he went home and tried his hardest to fly. And because he wanted to fly so very badly, he could have sworn he rose a few inches off the ground. Or maybe just a few millimeters. The next day, he tells the other crazy people, "Last night, I think I might have risen a few inches off the ground when I tried to fly". Well, all the crazy people get very excited, and congratulate him on his amazing progress. They tell him that he must be gifted, as not many people can fly so soon. But everyone can fly if they try hard enough. This makes him feel special. And it makes him believe even more that he truely can infact fly!

Everynight he tries flying again. And each time, he swears he felt some movement. He tells his mother about it, and she says, "You nuts! People can't fly! Are you that stupid?"

This make the man feel very sad. He was so excited at his newfound "skill", and he felt like he had a special gift that made him different from everyone else.

Later that night, he visits the crazy people again. He tells them that his mom doesn't believe he can fly. All the crazy people are very supportive. They reasure him saying, "of course you can! Didn't you feel it? You can fly! You are a special individual with a special gift! And everyone can fly if they try hard enough!" This makes the man once again feel special and excited, and he goes home to practice his technique, and to try to perfect his art of flying.

The man stops talking to his mom about it. All she ever does is tell him he's normal, that he's crazy to think he can fly. So he hangs around with the crazy people as much as he can, and believes that all the while he is making incredible progress with flight.

The reality is, this man has never flown. He has never risen an inch off the ground. But the crazy people have given him such elaborate techniques and support for flying, he has convinced himself that it IS possible, and that he has even achieved it in small amounts.

But he never has. He believes he has, but never has.

6 months pass, and the man's mother has learned of her son's growing insanity. She ends up putting him in an insane asylum. The doctors there tell him that he cannot fly, but he refuses to believe them. He tells them that he did fly once. He swears by it. He tells the doctors of his other fiends who can fly. He tells them they too can fly if they try hard enough! After all, he is living proof that it is possible! But as time passes, the man begins to wonder if he really DID fly. He trys his techniques, but they don't seem to work anymore.

Finally, the man realizes that humans cannot fly. He realizes that HE cannot fly. But, admitting that the whole thing was all in his head was a very embarassing and painful thing to do. For the longest time, he simply could not bring his self to even consider that he might be wrong. All those wonderful feelings of discovering an amazing power! Everything he ever dreamed seemed to be coming to life. But now, the man feels like an idiot. But he now is no longer crazy. He no longer believes in something that cannot happen. It was hard for him to come to this realization. So hard, that the doctors are amazed it happened, as is the man.

Why did this man go from thinking he could fly, to thinking he could not fly? The validation of his reality chaged.

There are two realities: The one YOU yourself see, and the one everyone else sees. If one person believes he can fly, he is only crazy if no one else believes he can. BUT, if people start believing he can fly, suddenly, he is no longer crazy. Suddenly everyone knows him as "The flying man", regardless of whether or not he can actually fly.

You see, YOUR personal reality will never feel as real as the COLLECTIVE reality. I can imagine all day that I can fly. But unless someone else also TRUELY believes I can, I can never live the life a "flying man" could.

If another person VALIDATES your reality by believing in it, this reinforces the emotional effect of your PERSONAL reality with HIS personal reality. The more people who validate your reality, the more real if becomes. And if you get enough people wrongly validating your reality, you may very well end up believing in something that was never true to begin with. It is quite possible to become 100% sucked into to a completely falsely validated reality, and never come out again. It happenes all the time.

This is the danger of a website like this. Many people come to this site who have had their realities flasely validated. Many people come to this website with a false personal reality, looking for others to validate it. (This is why we see SO many people coming on here saying, "I think I have psychic powers but I'm not sure. I'm even little freaked out. What do you think?" They are looking for outside validation of their reality, most of the time without even realizing what they are doing.)

In turn, they will falsely validate other people's wrong realities. Do you see how it spreads? Sooner or later, you will have people believing in a false metaphysical phenomena, but they will be backed up by hundereds of other people who all believe the same false thing. And they will never realize their error if they do not talk to other people who do not validate their false reality.

Infact, they will shun, curse and, and ridicule anyone who questions them and their false reality. They will say, "You just don't understand", or, "Just because YOU think so doesn't make it true".

Like a king who has built an empire will fight for it until the death, so will a person who has build up a false reality.

And this is the real danger.
This can cause a person to spend a lifetime in a false metaphysical reality without ever coming close to realizing the truth of metaphysics. This can also prevent a person from properly maturing.

Now, here is the practical example, and please, I do not intend to insult you, I intend to help you.

In Wyatt's post, he mentioned that he thinks he might be "aerokinetic".

I assure you that the word "aerokinetic" is purely an invetion of the internet, and will not appear in any metaphysical books. What you will see happen in these forums is people sticking the word "kinetic" at the end of any other word, and trying to use it to explain a metaphysical phemonena. You will see "pyrokinesis" for the manipulation of fire, "cryokinesis" for the manipulation of cold or ice, "aquakinesis" for the manipulation of water, or "terakinesis" for the manipulation of rocks or dirt.

What you must understand are these are all catch phrases used mostly by misguided youth who falsely validate each other's reality, perpetuating the ignorance of the TRUE metaphysic world.

The word "kinetic" or "kinesis" refers to movement. "Telekinesis" means "movement by remote means". To be a telekinetic is to be able to move matter with your mind. ALL matter, whether it be water, rocks, or ice.

This may seem like a small difference, but you MUST keep this in mind if you are to avoid being sucked into a false metaphysical reality. If someone says, "I'm terakinetic", you can correct them by saying, "You mean Telekinetic". Terakinetic literally means "earthmoving", and does not refer to "Earth moving by remote means" whatsoever. Infact, if you can pick up a rock and throw it, you are terekinetic. If you can throw a rock with your mind without touching it with your body, you are telekinetic. (Tele=remote. Kinetic=movement)

If you ever see the words "Electrokinetic, or Pyrokinetic", you can know right away that these are false techniques. No one who can actually truely move fire with their mind is immature enough metaphysically to call it "pyrokinesis". It would be like a professional baseball player calling the baseball "The white thingy".

Why? Because "kinetic" energy is the force behind matter which is already moving. A ball rolling down a hill has forward kinetic energy, untill it stops moving. Then it has what's called "potential energy". The ball has the potential to be kicked, which will once again give it kinetic energy.

(Side note: Normally electricity is the only thing which can create kinetic energy IE electric motors and your own muscles tranfer electrical signal into kinetic energy. Fusion and fission can also create kinetic energy.)

The reason "pryokinesis" or "electrokinesis" are technically false are because fire and electricity are ENERGY. And energy it's self cannot also have kinetic energy. It goes against the fundemental laws of all mathematics and physics. And it just plain doesn't make sense. (Saying that this type of energy has energy is like saying this type of matter has matter)

Maybe you are saying, " Physics and math can't explain telekinesis". That's not entirely true. Science has not been able to FULLY explain telekinesis. But science has also not been able to FULLY explain the origins of the universe, hallucinations, or even why there is no unified feild equation. The human mind is a the most complex thing in existance. One strand of your DNA actually contains more exponential data than all the galaxies combined. Trying to explain the mind, using our mind, is a little like trying to explain that things float in water by pouring water into more water.

Now, I am not saying that it is not possible to move the flame of a candle with your mind. Or direct the flow of water in a cup. Or even create a tiny ait current. What I AM saying is you should avoid using the words "Pyrokinesis, cryokinesis, and aerokinesis". Why? Because the only people who use those words have a flasely validated reality. Any person who genuinely KNOWS something about metaphysics will never use those terms. Just like no major league picher will go his whole career calling the ball "The white thingy" or the bat "The hitty stick". He'd be laughed off the team by the real players.

Another thing to keep in mind is that it often takes people decades before they can perform their first telekinetic feat. There has been one or two instances in recorded history of an individual born with a special knack for it, but this is less common than being born with three arms and six legs.

Though the kids around these forums would have you believe they all have multiple limbs...*chuckles*

So wyatt, or anyone else, if you would like to talk more about your curiosity in metaphysics, please feel free to PM me, or email me at brokenjohnnynofix@hotmail.com . I would certainly like to help you begin this journey properly, if you would let me. And I do have a "knack" for being able to pick out a flasely validated reality.



Insight

Agreed with all save that last part. I dont really think anyone...including you Insight are capable of "instruct" people in metaphysics. As far as I am concerned there are no experts, other than the ones who "baptise" themselves as such. To give an example, the "kinetic" term comes from the greek word for movement so it does describe a type of energy actually that specifies the action. So although your physics is correct, your perception of the term is not.

Its unwise to make the same mistake you take so long describing here. Unless of course you are talking about Mustardokinesis again

It sucks that this is true. I dont base my self on the outside worlds perception on me so I will never have this problem


Uhm, you type too much

I agree with bio-mage nobody is an expert...other than that you have a good point.

My last point was not meant to lable me as a metaphysical instructor, and I apologize if it came accross as such. What I did mean, however, is that I am willing to help people sort out the false from the real, to the best of my ability. I make no claims to be perfect, or even near perfect. But I do claim to have knowledge, experience, and wisdom, which I personally believe to be beneficial to younger members of this forum, as well as some of the older.

Amazing. Enlightening. Vicarious. Deep. What you've written should be stickied into eternity for this entire forum to view and be forced to read. Along with Turtle's thread, it's the most sensible thing I've seen on this board in many months.


Do you cry for a relative when your entire family is crying for them? Are you happy when people around you treat you nicely? Do you have emotion? If you have any of the mentioned you base yourself on the outside world's perception in some mundane way or another. If you can defy the basic needs of man as set forth by some great minds of Psychology, you should be world famous and the subject to vigorous experiments. You're already lying to yourself.

If you shall defend yourself by calling me an ignorant, iron skeptic that has never experienced what you have and doesn't know how it is, you are terribly wrong. Trust me. I used to be a self-proclaimed Psion, Wiccan, Wizard, Necropheliac and Vampire Slayer. I'm not afraid to admit it. However, I did grow out of it and learned from my mistakes.

What evidence do you know of that makes you believe these things are possible. Do you have first hand experience. I'm asking because in regard to psychokinesis I've found very little evidence or first hand accounts from credible sources. But I am open minded about the possibilities.

Do you actualy think this is going to enlighten those who are megalomaniacs? Your story has to be specific to the person with the disorder for it to have any value. Someone who has this disorder does not know they have it and will even agree with you on this subject saying "lucky I am not like that." Maybe you should ask people what their perticular outlook on metaphysics is, then you can correct all their misconceptions. wants Who move a their mind to with candle anyways?

Glyvun!

Have I had a direct experience with telekinesis? No, I don't think so. Have I been able to move a candle flame with my mind? You'd be amazed at the things you will see when you are on LSD, but thankfully, I have been set free from the desire to ever do drugs again.

You are right. There is VERY little evidence based in the first hand, from a credible source.

If life has taught me one thing, it is that there is more, MUCH more to our human being than anything you will ever learn in the mainstream world. Humans have become cattle to the elite.

I suggest doing some study into the Soviet's remote viewing experiments. Study up on german psychics as well. There have been real, documented results which point to the human's ability to access a etheric plane, for lack fo a better term. But since our own government has never performed any such research PUBLICLY, we ridicule the mere possibility. North american society is so closed off from the rest of the world, we have a hard time believing something exists if it is not a a part of OUR society.

Then why do so many other culture take psionics seriously? Why were the Nazi's attempting (And perhaps succeeding) to create psychicly trained soldiers? Why do German physicist study precogition, and formulate systems of theory around it?

The world is a very large place. And to truely know what life IS, and what a human IS, you MUST step outside your own borders. Remember, North American culture is only 200 some odd years old, where as much of the rest of the world has hundereds, and even thousands of years of history and culture.

Do you actualy think this is going to enlighten those who are megalomaniacs?

Do I think it will enlighten ALL the so called megalomaniacs? Of course not. Do I think it will enlighter some of them? Maybe. But, if you had more closely READ my post, this was originally intended for a single person on these forums: Wyatt.

Wyatt is a young fellow curious about psionics, as any young fellow would be. And there have been hundereds upon hundereds of people just like him who come to these forums in the exact same manner he did. I decided the post would be able to benefit other people, not just him.


Your story has to be specific to the person with the disorder for it to have any value.

That is not true. Every man woman and child alike can benefit from a story. Remember "The boy who cried wolf"? That story has a valuable lesson to be learned for everyone who reads it, regardless of whether or not they are "wolf criers".

Sometimes, preventing a problem from starting is the best way to solve it. Wouldn't you agree?


Someone who has this disorder

This is not a disorder. "Reality validation" is an extremely common psychological phenomena which surfaces in young people, and old people, all too frequently. This is something I see happening all the time, in all the people around me. I even see the process in myself at times, it pains me to admit.

It isn't a disorder, it's a reality of human nature it's self.

does not know they have it and will even agree with you on this subject saying "lucky I am not like that."

Those people are incredibly easy to spot. Denial is a part of working through any sort of recovery.

Maybe you should ask people what their perticular outlook on metaphysics is, then you can correct all their misconceptions.

Do you honestly think I have the time and energy to be a therapist to every person who comes on these forums? Think about what you are saying here. A post such as this has enough information to benefit most everyone who reads it. Not that I'm some high and mighty linguist, some pope of metaphysics. What I wrote has been in the minds of many, many reasonable people here. I simply took the time to attempt to put it all into words.

wants Who move a their mind to with candle anyways?

I believe you meant to say, "Who wants to move a candle with their minds anyways"?

And the answer to that is, every single person who has ever wanted to be more powerful then they currently are.

Look at our popular cartoons. They all invlove young, teenaged people with incredible responsibilities and supernatural powers. Look at our super heros, our idols. Look at most very popular TV character. Power sells, because people lust for it insatiably.

Honestly, if you thought you could learn to manipulate a candle flame with your mind, would you not give it a shot? It could be used to impress friends at parties. Perhaps you could have an act and go on the road.

But I say from my experience with these forums that hundereds of young people come to the internet hoping to discover a secret that will make them stand out from their peers. And with the advent of the internet, and it's anonymity, false realityvalidation has reached frightening new heights.

I mean, come on, how many kids in the 80's do you think went around claiming to have telekinetic powers? The very few that did would be ostricized from there peers, and rightly so.

If I go onto mx6.com, and say that I super charged my car to have 700 horsepower at the wheels, no one their would ever talk to me again, and I would be literally forced to stop that lie. And again, rightly so.

No need for an apology as you done nothing wrong. I merely pointed that we can advise on good experimental practise rather than the metaphysical. None of us is perfect but together combined, we are better than ourselves individually. Thats the whole point in the forum yes?



This is very true. Most people dont assess their ability to make sense at any given moment. There are many things that can influence our perceptional abilities with LCD being one such example (an extreme at that). Fatique, intense stress and trauma are more frequent in that respect, yet people underestimate their potency.



This describes for me the vast majority of "believers" online. For them is not a matter of contemplating on the metaphysical, but rather indulge on a fantasy trip that satisfies their individual needs for distinction. In a world that people become largely disembodied and indistinguishable, assuming identities and roles that fulfill aspirations and drive, is perhaps far more the norm that is realised.

Again all I am going to say to everyone is that they are special regardless. You do not need kinesis or psi to appreciate the gift sentience.

In respondance to the Man and his flying peers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folie_%C3%A0_deux

That could help.
Sure, it's rare.... but I think less severe types of this are actually found everywhere. Particularly around here.

ANyway, nice read. Should be stickied.

Ah I, I dont believe power comes in the forms of moving shiznet with your mind. Power comes in being able to be what you want to be IMO. People are still running around the streets with there animal instincts in hyper drive striving for power. _>_geesh for a human of my sort its really disturbing! Like f*** we obviously are capable of overcoming our animal instincts just everyone in north america is too lazy to bother. Awell when the mac attack epidemic hits(fully) we will see what happens, America has to get smarter. I am still full of animal instincts but I control the "consumer" ones.

WHAT ONE EARTH?!

Mac epidemic?
America needs to get smarter?

Sorry to say, but America > You in intelligence.
Are you a doctor? Well America has hundreds.
Are you a rocket scientists? Well America has lots of those too.

lol the same doctors who prescribed me ritalin?

Anyways thats only a small percentage of Americans, alot of America is sitting around getting fat and watching tv. Do you really want to argue this with me? George Bush is president.

Yeah, the one who will be laughing at you when your ritalin-associated disease makes your extremities drop off. All of them.



Riiight. Look up your figures before you mention percentages.

94.9% of Americans are employed, not just 'sitting around watching TV'



Yep, so far you've done a bang-up job.



Sure, he is, and I don't know why you'd mention that.
That only helps me further.
Could you do a well as him, when running a country?
Nope.

Sure I could! I could run America 10 times better than he is!!

What am I supposed to say?
I doubt it....

You still haven't realised that psionics aren't real

Though most everybody does it, to bad mouth George Bush shows an incredible lack of understanding of world politics. George Bush, neigh, any president, is merely the media figure head who takes all the flak so the people who actually run things may continue to do so.

Bilderberg group? Trilateral Commision? Freemasons? Illuminati? Scottish Rite? International bankers?

A rose by any other name...

The reason people bash George Bush is because our leftist mainstream media TELLS you too. So the next time you decide to inform us that you are in control of your "consumer" instincts, I suggest you give yourself a check.

Everyone loved Clinton, even though he lied so badly he was impeached. And, believe it or not, his administration sold 2 nuclear reactors to North Korea. Infact, the whole Monica fiasco was the media white wash to help him get away with crimes against humanity.

People loved Clinton, but hated Bush. But why are Bush Senior and Clinton always seen hanging around together right now?

I understand the powerful Bush lineage, and the possibility it may even be one of the 13 bloodlines. But come on people, he's ONE MAN. Do you really think HE AND HE ALONE is responsible for the state of America today? America is under attack by the U.N., and every European nation, as well as the asian nations. I could go on and on about where "the money trail" leads you. I might as well stop before this thread gets moved.




Sly, I don't want to be at odds with you here. I think you are a decent person with alot of potential. But I have to be honest when I say that was one of the most ignorant things I have head in a while. You have absolutely no idea what realm a man of that power is exposed to, and the choices he is forced into, and allowed to make. There are much, MUCH greater forces at play in American politics than the power of s single man.

Even so, what's the highest paying job you have ever worked? What's the most stresful? At 18 years old, there is no possible way you could fathom what sort of position a president is in. How long have you been out in the real world earning a living, and supporting yourself? At 18, it could not have been very long, if any time at all.

Please, I am not trying to insult you, but you must slow down your thought process a bit. And realize that the media, all media, has an agenda spun into it.

Don't you find it interesting that AOL-Time-Warner's logo is the all seeing eye of Horus, the logo of the Illuminati?

Do you know what the Illuminati are?

I degress. This is a topic for another forum. Apologies.

That was an excellent, excellent essay!

This explains everything about the mind of humans. This explains the forming of religion, the forming of wars, of government, and virtually every failing concept humanity has created.

The only thing (and I truly mean the ONLY thing) I disagree with is that it is impossible for you, or anyone else, to "instruct" a subject beyond that of teaching to other people. As famous occultist and Golden Dawn member Dion Fortune said, "there is no room for authority in occultism". The correct term is to "point in the right direction" before they go spiriling into a path of self-destruction and embarrasment. In recent times I did, indeed, build up one of these "false-realities." This thoughtform that I was trapped in sucked up my whole life. I hope that some people will be able not to get pulled into that sort of spiriling mental hell when they get involved into the subject of metaphysics- seriously, personal experience is speaking here in the most serious way. When my interest in the subject began to spark, it didn't take long at all for me to get pulled into such a thoughtform of the like I only very recently shook out of. And yes, I realize I am using the term "thoughtform" here, as the term in metaphysics and occultism for an outer-entity or gathering of the energy of beliefs (egrigore) is an absolutely perfect decription of the false-reailties you are speaking of here.

With regards, that was an absolutely stunning work and I am very glad that I took fifteen minutes off of this night to read it.

Occultism is a growing trend that signifies our continuous effort to fraction ourselves from others. That is probably the most profound truth about that phenomenon.

Insight I think you underestimate my understanding of the cherade happening in the states. Anyways the president still can make powerfull decisions even though hes an ellaberate micheal jackson trial. I would make much wiser more loving decisions than any president of the past or present has ever made. Hurt the least amount of people possible. I understand some would be tuff but I would ask God to show me the correct answers.

Hmm go into iraq and bomb them or provide them with education over a 100 year plan????? What do you think is going to solve their problems better?

But were mad and we want you to get president next ellection, I know! Americans never switch presidents during war! Oh wow lets drive planes into our towers and ma

How powerfull are the bilderbergers when we stop playing with their money?

That is hard to believe if you think tk is the only element to metaphysics.



Sometimes you just have to settle with what you've got.

Right, so we're just gunna walk in and say, "Hey Saddam, we're taking your kiddies".
Saddam was an awful leader, he killed people for the sake of it.
I hope you look into your arguments before you post them in the future.


o_o Bush won an election... if the votes had gone the other way, they WOULD have switched presidents.

The only thing (and I truly mean the ONLY thing) I disagree with is that it is impossible for you, or anyone else, to "instruct" a subject beyond that of teaching to other people.

Strange, I agree with you. WHich means there was something in the essay which accidentally conflicts with my original intentions. If you could help me isolate it, it would be much appreciated, so I can make the approproiate changes.

With regards, that was an absolutely stunning work and I am very glad that I took fifteen minutes off of this night to read it.

Thankyou very much. I truely put my heart into it. I've just...I mean, there have been so many people...young people...who have come on here in the same way, and I have tried to help them in the same way, I guess I just endevaored to create a solution, for lack of a batter term, once and for all. I had never actually taken the time to sit down and fully articulate my thoughts. But I'll be glad I did if my words help one person, which I already know they have.

Insight I think you underestimate my understanding of the cherade happening in the states.

Substitute "states" with "entire world". And please, I don't want to underestimate you, but you give me little recourse.

Anyways the president still can make powerfull decisions

The president can only fight a loosing battle against One World Agenda. Other than that, he essentially runs the country of the united states. He has meetings, he fills out paper work, and advises and is advised. They need his signature for alot fo stuff. But when it comes to world events, and world politics, he is a puppet.

I would make much wiser more loving decisions than any president of the past or present has ever made.

You say that now...*chuckles* Sorry. But as ever politician has shown us, it's easier to make promises than to keep them.

Hurt the least amount of people possible. I understand some would be tuff but I would ask God to show me the correct answers.

Admirable. But which God? There are "so many" to choose from? WHat of you pick the wrong one? Actually, forget I said that. That's a discussion for another time.

Hmm go into iraq and bomb them or provide them with education over a 100 year plan????? What do you think is going to solve their problems better?

You need to understand the what is happening in Iraq has been in the works, neigh, planned out, for over 20 years. Perhaps even longer. Bush really has little to do with it. Any descision he made to go to war was due to the mastery the elite have over the presidency.

It's not like amarican troops ever left Iraq after the gulf war. We just stopped hearing about it in mainstream media.

But were mad and we want you to get president next ellection, I know! Americans never switch presidents during war!

Actually, by your logic, the presidency SHOULD have been changed. I mean, look at all the protests all over America against the war! Everything on TV was aginst Bush. Everything on TV was against the war. People took to the streets in protest all over the place. SOmebodt even stomped on a Bush doll on staurday night live.

And yet, it would seem those who control the media, are NOT the majority they would have us believe they are. Because even with all the propoganda, with all the bashing, and all the protests, Bush won by a landslide.


Oh wow lets drive planes into our towers and ma

Sept 11th has been in the works for YEARS. I think probably even more than I myself can account for. It was a much more calculated plot that you realize. It had nothing to do with the person who happened to be running the country at the time, and everything to do with the people who were running the world.

How powerfull are the bilderbergers when we stop playing with their money?

That cannot, and will not even happen. If you can explain to me how how it could, please do!!!




I never once said that I believe telekinesis is the only element to metaphysics. You yourself can to that conclusion based on what I wrote. And incorrect conclusion I might add.

oh my goddess....u admitted to being a necrophilliac....have u any idea wat that is.!!??????? ew

Wow, if Friedrich Nietzsche says something, it MUST be true.


And....you fired.

Lmao....

I'm keeping this thread alive, in hopes that these hundereds of kiddie kinetics bent of dragon ball Z powers will actually read it, and perhaps be able to REALLY perform a telekinetic act some day.

sorry my sarcasm sense is low....that was sarcasm right lol
i put that there ages ago, come to think of it i really should update my sig!

not if your plan is to run it into the ground

^^ Even then I believe he would still do a better job of it...

Great topic. Hopefuly this will help clean this area of the forums out. Your post was well written and well thought out.

Just keeping the thread alive. Remember kids, READ IT ALL. It WILL help you get on track in your persuit of psionics.

Alright a couple of things here. First off this started off as a good topic, and hopefully it will get back on track. I believe tk is real, but not to the extent that cartoons, like dragon ball z have shown. Young kids are impressionable, and for them to see something like that then jump on the internet, do a google search and end up on this site, their imaginations will run wild. Baisically the end result will be, half of america will belive they have these incredible powers, all because they can "feel" a psi ball, or a cartoon charecter can do it.


[i]lol the same doctors who prescribed me ritalin?

Anyways thats only a small percentage of Americans, alot of America is sitting around getting fat and watching tv. Do you really want to argue this with me? George Bush is president. [i]

Second of all, i like food, i'm a big guy, but i also have two jobs and im going to college to become an electrical engineer. in fact i see alot of big people in college, and ironically they too have to work hard to be able to go to school. i dont know where you get off saying "alot of america is sitting around getting fat and watching tv" why do you believe this? do you believe every american is so wealthy that they dont need to work, and they can afford to just sit around?to be quite honest with you, the majority of america are low to middle class income households. i work two jobs got to school, my g/f goes to school and works one jobwith financial aid. combined together we can barely afford an apartment that cost us $575 a month, btw we can't afford cable, so we dont just sit around and watch tv. i apologize for my rant. It just urks me when people from other countries think that all of america is fat and lazy. anyway i do apologize because i went off topic, but i needed to get that off my chest.

I agree Durnut. This person's opinion is soley based on media propoganda. He's probably Canadian, like I am, which is the most self righteous nation on the planet. "Ohh, were so peace loving". Yeah, any country would be if they had nothing but ice to their north, sea to the east and west, and the most powerful country in the world to their south.

I want to see Canada sided by side with North Korea or Iran, and see how peaceful and unmilitarized we are.

And is regards to feeling a psiball...

If you flap your arems long enough and hard enough, it will feel like you are lifting off the ground. If only from lack of oxygen to the brain...

But the second these kiddie kinetics feel anything that they can use as an excuse to validate their own distorted reality, the hop on the band wagon for a trip to Gotham City and team up with Spiderman and the silver surfer, all the while trying to keep Vegeta off their backs.

Sad.

^^ Truly.

I just about fell over when you mentioned the Silver Surfer... haven't seen him in years!

Did you ever see the short lived Silver surfer cartoon? It was a mix of 3d and 2d animation. The coolest episode was where Surfer goes into Galactus because he has to heal him for some reason (galactus was glitching out and speading some virus or something).

The animation was trippy as heck.

Just putting the thread back at the top so all those "teen titans" of the other thread might read it, and actually grow up a little bit.

You should try England. Most people only work here to go out and get drunk or drugged up, and our obesity levels are rising.

That explains alot of your posts. Ritalin, should have known.

ironically i have never heard of the silver surfer.

I didnt take it smart guy.

Teen Titans describes it well...

Good thinking Sherlock

f***! They are treating us like cattlle. Who are they? Why are these facts here and nobody doing anything about them? Do you know? I know. Is anyone els going to do anything about it? Lets see....

What are you talking about?

I know what he's talking about, but I'm not sure he does.

exponential_sly_de, you said:

f***! They are treating us like cattlle. Who are they? Why are these facts here and nobody doing anything about them? Do you know? I know. Is anyone els going to do anything about it? Lets see....

If you want the answers to these questions, I have them. Perhaps you should PM me.

And yes, some of us are doing something about it.

Are you putting together the Justice League Insight???

Money. Everything is to do with money. They can't fix the problem because it costs too much, even though the government has managed to spend £13million on ID cards (that's £5 million over their original limit) they can't tackle the p*ssheads.