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ShaunZero
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People can will themselves to see things. If they want bad enough they WILL SEE SOMETHING.....

It is mind over matter.


So the way you brush it off is by assuming that in all cases they WANTED to see what they saw? And were trying to see what they saw, WHEN they saw what they saw?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Apr 2 2006, 08:52 AM) [snapback]1130656[/snapback]

So the way you brush it off is by assuming that in all cases they WANTED to see what they saw? And were trying to see what they saw, WHEN they saw what they saw?

A bit of a tongue twister there Zero LOL but I don't believe that ALL will see what they see because they want to so badly....after alll when you saw what you saw...I'll bet you didn't bargin for it in any way
ShaunZero
That was the plan. =D

And no, I didn't want to see what I saw. I wasn't even thinking about ghosts. I was playing PS2.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Apr 2 2006, 10:00 AM) [snapback]1130710[/snapback]

That was the plan. =D

And no, I didn't want to see what I saw. I wasn't even thinking about ghosts. I was playing PS2.

I believe you Zero...after all not everyone likes the idea of seeing ghosts...I for one am a big coward LOL always was..and yet it happened to me ph34r.gif
Imaginary Friend
QUOTE(bubs_satansreject @ Apr 1 2006, 09:47 AM) [snapback]1129514[/snapback]

However, when it comes to God, not only there are different religions that varies yet they all claim there is only one God,


Not all, as said earlier. Many goddesses and god's in one's personal pantheon of faith is known as "Polytheism" And there are numerous faiths in many deities, behind that title. (*your SN is curious. Are you a Satanist? Bubs_satansreject? Satanism is one example of a polytheistic faith. original.gif)
zandore
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Apr 2 2006, 03:52 AM) [snapback]1130656[/snapback]

So the way you brush it off is by assuming that in all cases they WANTED to see what they saw? And were trying to see what they saw, WHEN they saw what they saw?

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I believe they see SOMETHING.....just not what they thought they saw.
Seand
Okay,I haven't read this whole thread so I don't know if someone has said this.But your question is the same as asking:If you believe in God then why don't you believe in Reincarnation?Or why don't you believe in the Hindu God Shiva?If Christians have no problem believing the bible,why don't they believe in the Qur'an aswell?Sorry if I'm not getting my point accross very well.But I think you understand what I mean.
zandore
QUOTE(Seand @ Apr 2 2006, 09:37 AM) [snapback]1130873[/snapback]

Okay,I haven't read this whole thread so I don't know if someone has said this.But your question is the same as asking:If you believe in God then why don't you believe in Reincarnation?Or why don't you believe in the Hindu God Shiva?If Christians have no problem believing the bible,why don't they believe in the Qur'an aswell?Sorry if I'm not getting my point accross very well.But I think you understand what I mean.

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I understand what you said.....that is a good question for the Christians.


EDIT: Welcome Seand to the UM Forum.
Imaginary Friend
Yes, welcome to the forum Seand. original.gif

Re: Your question, I think the possible culprit is the bible itself. It is a text that's old testament is replete with god's ordinance of intolerance and death, or rape and conversion, of tribes not in keeping with "his" (gods) law!

Consequently faithful texts like that which you mention are said to be tools of the infidels or the work of the devil. And those that question the ordinance of god's word are to this day, said to be deluded of the truth. (Even here through out various threads, if you read well enough.) It's a certain insurance of one's faithful institutions avoiding extinction, to claim all others are the enemy and sanctioned for; death or assimilation. (I'm getting this cube picture and "Borg"... ph34r.gif ) And because of this faithful edict against all others not as one's self (faith), one contrives a market of conquest and dominion, which is affective today in decimating cultures and corrupting ancient tribal memories as the "old ways" are strictly forbidden or governed by the new faith that invades indigenous peoples.
Whether it's Islam in the Mid-E, or the rain Forrest tribes that are losing their native tongue because it is forbidden under the dominion of the religious missionaries that follow any countries cultural alteration under the auspices of government occupation.

Why? Because they are commanded under god's word to convert the unbelievers! Read the bible and read the history of absurdly titled; "holy wars", like the inquisition, crusades and even the American Civil War accounts and it is clear. The commandment of god above all else, is convert or die! Which is not surprise, considering he created the people and inspired the faith, and damns for eternity those who don't believe!


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Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is."
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
vladdimpailer
religion and politics are the two greatest obstacles to further human evolution, without them we would be in a much different world than we see today
Tangerine Sheri
hmm I see them as very similar in expression.....Religion and politics.........
bubs_satansreject
QUOTE(Darkwind @ Apr 1 2006, 12:35 PM) [snapback]1129611[/snapback]

Not all religions.


True. I wasn't thinking straight. My mistake.
stargazer123
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Mar 31 2006, 06:54 PM) [snapback]1128865[/snapback]

good point Star as hyper said becasue of the things we don't know why not just say i don't really know, instead of making up things just to have an answer.......I make sure I tell my kids I DON"T KNOW ...Good question and don't stop asking questions...Wisdon lies in the next question not the right answer......


Sheri

Perhaps there are a few factors of why we just say that we don't know. One could be that we don't want to look unintelligent by society's standards. Another could be human competition and ego. I would much rather offer suggestions of what something could be but I try to keep in mind that one person's truth may not be another's by perception. Truth also has many layers as well. I still find myself doing it and I think we all do. We strive at times t be right. perhaps we want to validate our own perceptions as well. I just have to say I don't know to that... grin2.gif

My grandmother always use to say that true wisdom is realizing you don't know everything. maybe its because once you realize you don't have all the answers you are more prepared to be a learner, ever changing and ever growing and through it imparts wisdom. Even if I think I'm right and I am arrogant about it to another, I can always learn about myself and the way I handled the situation. (But gosh I hope I don't treat others like that as long as I can help it.) I firmly believe we can learn from one another in great ways. Even if its their arrogance it teaches us a little more about ourselves I think.

I will blantantly admit there are many times I would like to insert foot in my own mouth. Than I have to stand back and realize that i am human but how can I use the experience of awareness to help me grow.
Infrazael
QUOTE(Dakotabre @ Mar 30 2006, 12:46 PM) [snapback]1127175[/snapback]

When I first joined this site, I was not sure if I believed in God and the bible. But I can say now that I firmly believe that Jesus is our savior and bible really is God's word.

My question is, How come it is so easy for people to believe in ghosts, spirits, ufo's and other supernatural and paranormal events and things, but when it comes to God, people say, oh what a load of rubbish, thats impossible, as if Noah could have fitted all those animals into the ark, as if Jesus could rise from the dead, as if people could have lived for hundreds of years, and so on....

But yet they believe in ghosts and spirits from the afterlife in our world/dimension. They believe in people could have supernatural powers, they believe in aliens from other planets.

I used to believe in the Devil, but not in God. I think my reasons for believing in the bad and not the good, is because to me, if God really did exist, then that ment I was in deep trouble, because I wan't living a 'good and decent' life. I was not free of sin so therefore if there was a God, then I'd have to be accountable for all my actions, and I didn't want to accept that. I wanted to believe that I could do anything, get away with anything and not have to be accountable.

I think I was selfish and I wanted to do the things that made me happy, I wanted to download my music, copy dvds, do what ever I could so that I had the best of everything, no matter what I had to do to get it. If I had given in the fact that God did exist then that ment I had to give all that up because it was wrong, I was sinning.

But now, I know that all that stuff isn't really important, it doesn't matter what material things you have, it's about people and human decency. Treating others right and realising that the world does not revolve around me. I'm just a cog in this big scheme of things that make this world work. God can bring more happiness and peace to me than anything else ever could.

But I am curious to know what others think...?


Because. . . . . God is a logical impossibility?
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