When I first joined this site, I was not sure if I believed in God and the bible. But I can say now that I firmly believe that Jesus is our savior and bible really is God's word.

My question is, How come it is so easy for people to believe in ghosts, spirits, ufo's and other supernatural and paranormal events and things, but when it comes to God, people say, oh what a load of rubbish, thats impossible, as if Noah could have fitted all those animals into the ark, as if Jesus could rise from the dead, as if people could have lived for hundreds of years, and so on....

But yet they believe in ghosts and spirits from the afterlife in our world/dimension. They believe in people could have supernatural powers, they believe in aliens from other planets.

I used to believe in the Devil, but not in God. I think my reasons for believing in the bad and not the good, is because to me, if God really did exist, then that ment I was in deep trouble, because I wan't living a 'good and decent' life. I was not free of sin so therefore if there was a God, then I'd have to be accountable for all my actions, and I didn't want to accept that. I wanted to believe that I could do anything, get away with anything and not have to be accountable.

I think I was selfish and I wanted to do the things that made me happy, I wanted to download my music, copy dvds, do what ever I could so that I had the best of everything, no matter what I had to do to get it. If I had given in the fact that God did exist then that ment I had to give all that up because it was wrong, I was sinning.

But now, I know that all that stuff isn't really important, it doesn't matter what material things you have, it's about people and human decency. Treating others right and realising that the world does not revolve around me. I'm just a cog in this big scheme of things that make this world work. God can bring more happiness and peace to me than anything else ever could.

But I am curious to know what others think...?

Welcome on this side you won't find to many people that beleive in the things you listed....
It is not natural to beleive in dietys and demons and ufo's and what not, its normal becasue alot of people do and its often confused but natural and normal are not the same thing.........

Everybody is different and has different belief's. Christianity is also not the only religion in this world.

LOL, what a thread.

Welcome Dakotabre to the UM Forum.



Not all that believe in the supernatural are non-believers/skeptics. What I mean is there are Christians that also believe in ghosts, spirits (and not just the Holy spirit), UFOs.....
It all comes down to being a personal choice.

dnb is your DOB accurate in your profile????

I am still older than Dnb.

You are?????OMGOSH you are Zan i never noticed and alot of times for whtever reasons people put they are older than they are........So you are almost 100 or are you kidding?????

Oh I know that some Christians believe in ghosts and spirits etc because I believe in them all too. What I ment in a nutshell is- Why is it more easy for alot of people to believe in other miraculas phenomenon (<- I can't spell!) but not in the miracles of the bible.

I have read alot of peoples posts where in one topic they say they believe in ghosts, but then in another forum post they say- How can someone (Jesus) be ressurected, thats impossible!!

It just seems alot of people contradict themselves in their beliefs. Please don't get me wrong, I am not demeaning people for their beliefs.

I don't believe in organized religion. I think a person needs to to their own thing, not what someone tells them. I have gone to different churches. I have the same opinion about them all. I just can't let someone else tell me how to be spiritual and what to believe. To me it is personal relationship.

Sept 10, 1907

Zan am i missing somehthing what is miraculous about the bible storys???that they are beleived????lol

Nope.

November 5th is from V for Vendetta then I picked a random low year.

Good point Sherri Berri! Who did write the bible and how true are the stories. I was wondering too, are there alot of supernatural things going on in the bible???

just curious....

Would not god be part of the supernatural? No one has ever proven for a fact that he is exist. Would that not put him in with ghosts, ufo's and faeries as being supernatural?

Of course you could say that I am supernatural as there is no proof I exist either.

Welcome to the forum.

Darkwind this is true. How many countless stories are in the bible that are supernatual?? Sorry, I don't have enough fingers to count!!

I would not to concern myself over much about such terms as supernatural, if I believed in god. Because if I believed in god I would know there can be no such thing as super natural, to worry about.

IM,this is a good point. I mean God is said to have creatied the universe. Wouldn't thiat mean fairies, aliens, and Christians??? I myself perfer the Goddess, but to me it doesn't really matter what religion you are. You just need to be the best person you can be and once in a while marvel at the wonders of nature.

And I, who views gods as human constructs, which may or may not be a poor attempt to comprehend something beyond perception, say there is only the natural as well.

Supernatural= the unexplained
"gods" = the unexplained
but just because we don't have the answers does not mean we need to fill the void with make-believe.

Very good point hyper, very good point......lol

Isn't supernatural just things in nature that still remain a mystery? That doesn't mean they don't exist.

NOVA,
this by means isn't the only way to look at supernatural but this is how i look at it:
Not existing in nature or subject to explanation according to natural laws; not physical or material.

If you say not existing in nature, then what are some examples of that you consider supernatural?

ghosts, god, dietys , devil, spirits, that sort of thing....IMO only Nova each to there own...I like Hyper don't need answers so much i make themn up or take on others imaginings i can except i can't possible figure it all out I gotta spend time living too..lol

Actually that which is unknown or remains hidden in nature is often times referred to as occult.

I kinda make it up as a go along. I want to learn and experience many differnet spiritual aspects. Maybe by the end of my life I will have a good grasp on spirituality. I like incorporating different ideas into my path, I hope I never run out of inspiration.

Now I agree we are making it up as we go along especially our truth , and thats kool but some imaginings are harmful and not productive or beneficial for the whole or just not growth producing and downright silly thats the point where one has to draw a line IMO. A good friend of mine said being open doesn't just mean being open to new ideas it also means discerning merit and value from things.......IMO only

Makes since SB. I agree, but I will continue to believe. Maybe it's the child in me, or maybe it's because I'm a Pisces with my moon in Taurus.

ever since I can remember speaking to xians and having a vague idea what they were talking about, this has plagued me. you tell them you saw a spirit, and they will either say it was a demon or an hallucination. I remember seeing a movie where a preacher says to a boy that santa was just a story. My reaction? "Then tell him how Jesus was made up!" According to the n.t., Jesus could pass through walls after he came back. sounds like a ghost to me. all gods are one. I suspect that god is very real, and we have yet to develop the science to prove it.

Makes me think.

there is at least some evidence of paranormal which is more than i can say for mythological deities.

I know this is off topic, but you made me smile! My grandfather was born the turn of the centery, my grandmother was born in 1904 and they were married to each other for well over 60 years and during that time he never once forgot to bring her coffee to her in bed. There was no one I admired more than my grandad. Very quiet, soft spoken soul and full of knowledge. Both of them were too poor to finish school, but he was still smarter than any Phd I knew.......

Indeed there is evidence of the paranormal. However that is still within the realm of nature, ergo it is not super natural. As for the mythological deities, perhaps the meaning of myth is what confuses some. Myth was never meant to be taken literally, contrary to contemporary exceptions to the rule.

I did not want to be the first to say that here in this thread.
You are correct

Amy.....I changed it back to the correct birth year.

Zandore..... I kinda figured you were not that old..... It just made me smile! You just gave me a nostalgic moment...

Vlad,

You have a point. There is more "evidence" of the supernatural. Oh, what does that tell us?

Actually some have said they have seen God....I dunno if it's true..but then again how can one prove it??

I believe in the things I've experienced. For the things I haven't I don't cancel them out. Just because I haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. However in terms of God, my deal was that I believed in a biblical God and cancelled everything else out. I ignored everything else that didn't fit into scripture.

For me the bible made me an unbeliever of other things, at times even myself.
Just my thoughts.

good point Star as hyper said becasue of the things we don't know why not just say i don't really know, instead of making up things just to have an answer.......I make sure I tell my kids I DON"T KNOW ...Good question and don't stop asking questions...Wisdon lies in the next question not the right answer......

i think people just believe in what makes them feel safe.

I think:
Just because you believe in Ghosts, it doesnt mean you need to believe in God and vice versa... It is all a personal opinion and things that they might have experienced during their lifetime....

To be honest, there are more evidence and even scienific evidences and logic explainations to why Ghosts are here and why they are the way that they are. Also there are many different sides to what people think ghosts are like.

However, when it comes to God, not only there are different religions that varies yet they all claim there is only one God, they also have a definite written version of their religion that they expect their followers to worship and acceptall that is written is true. I think it is only natural that people can doubt what they read in a bible or whatever as the ideas can seen far fetched without any evidences to support and although the text can be interpreted differently, it is different to how people can believe in ghosts as there is no definite written set of rules that they are expected to accept so people can accept an idea with a more opened mind and accpet the idea at a pace that they are comfortable with.

Also I have heard that many people believe in God, but they just do not believe in it in the way thet the Bible or any other religion might have convey it to the world, they have a sense of a higher and more powerful being but they just do not there it is specifically Jesus or Allah.

Depending on your view and interpratation of the bible, believing in the paranormal IE: Ghosts being spirits may contradict your beliefs in the bible.

Jehovah Witnesses believe that when you're dead, you go back to God and are in a "sleep" state. So, if you believed this, you couldn't believe that Ghosts are actualy a dead person's spirit. It would be in conflict.

I believe in God and am quite happy with it...but I never believed in the paranormal untill I saw it for myself and no I am not happy with it and I don't wish to see anything like it again

Not all religions.

I did it to prove a point about a month ago and was to lazy to change it back.


People can will themselves to see things. If they want bad enough they WILL SEE SOMETHING.....

It is mind over matter.

Still, the question is, do you think God is supernatural as is- before seperating them? Then to ask of not in God, but supernatural itself... That's my tough one...

Yea well I never wanted or imagined to see what I saw many moons ago..and I dont wish to again...but it sure wasn't anything holy

but sometimes people see something they don't understand and assume it is evil.

Very true Gideon, just because something is strange or ugly looking doesn't make it evil. I once saw some very strange beings. To this day I don't know what they wanted, but they did me no harm. Sometimes beings in the Spirit world have their own agenda that we don't understand. Doesn't make them evil, maybe in their minds we are the evil ones.

It wasn't evil...just an old woman and I was approx 9yrs old...I was scared of it...but I never believed in ghosts...and I never wished to see anything like it..therefore its not mind over matter in many cases