Did you know that the Sabbath is actually on what we call Saturday? When did Jesus die? That was on Good Friday, which was also preperation day for the Jewish people the day he was crucified. He and the two thieves were taken down and Jesus was put in a tomb so that the Jewish people could observe the Sabbath Day correctly, which would be the next day (or Saturday.) He then rose again from the dead on the day after, which is now called Sunday. That is where we get Easter Sunday from. Now where the bunny and eggs came from, I don't know.

Anyway, I wanted to show a few verses from the Bible that show us that observance of Sunday, which is the first day, and not on the seventh day is really disobendience to God by not observing the Sabbath. It became a gradual change that since Jesus rose from the dead on 'Sunday,' that Sunday became the official day for Church, which many took up to be the Sabbath. Even I did until last year. This next verse shows how neccessary it is for a Christian to obey the Ten Commandments.

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. This is the mark of God, both in our hands (our works [or not working]) and in our foreheads (our observance and obedience).

Here is a verse that supports this: Deuteronomy 11:18 ¶Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. What words are these that we shall keep? Among them is this: Deuteronomy 11:16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;

One common mistake we have is not realizing the root of 'Sunday.' The Pagans devoted the first day to worship of the sun god. From Nimrod of Babel all the way down to the Bishop of Rome and all those who the keep first day holy instead of the Sabbath have practiced it, for its roots were found at Nimrod's time and have carried through just about every empire and religious tradition.

Here are a couple more verses for those that put this together: Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. In other words starting from the Bishop of Rome, the Papacy has decieved the Roman empire into setting up an image (that there was no salvation outside of the Church of Rome, mainly upon the Bishopry of Rome) and caused all that refused the mark (observance of Sunday) to be killed. If you indeed read the history of the Church, those that didn't observe what the Church of Rome observed were deemed heretics and eventually killed. This was actually even decreed by Constantine in 363 at the council of Laodicea that no work was to be done on Sunday (which was traditional for sun god worship) and those that didn't were announced as 'anathema' (heretic) and was persecuted til either they observed his command or were executed.

Here is what the Bible has to say for these: Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. You see how neccessary it is to obey God's commands?

Now, you may be thinking that it is impossible to keep every single command and that none of us are perfect. I'm not condemning anyone. However, the Bible set up guidelines in overcoming sin that is by abiding in Jesus Christ, confessing your sins and repenting (stop doing it) of their sins. The mark is completely ignoring God's commands for your own desires or for man's commandments over God's. It said it right there, the saints are those that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

What do you think?

I've always understood Saturday to be the Sabbath.

As for Jesus' death and resurrection, while I agree that he rose from the grave on Sunday, that he died on Friday is not clear. The Bible says that he died on the eve of "the Sabbath". It was around Passover, and Passover was a High Sabbath, also known simply as "the Sabbath". I believe he actually died on a Thursday, or possibly a Wednesday (depends where you start counting the 3 days and nights he was supposed to be in the grave).

Eggs and bunnies are heralds of the pagan roots of what we know of as "easter". Before the catholic church made Easter a day to celebrate the rising of our Lord, it was a festival to Oestre, the goddess of fertility. Eggs and bunnies are of course symbols of fertility.

Sunday is not the Sabbath. I can't really see how anyone can claim that it is. Most churches (that I've been to) do not preach that. Meeting up as Christians on a Sunday goes against no scripture that I know of. It's just the way things are. They

As for needing to keep the Sabbath, read Hebrews 4:1-11 - Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith. Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, "So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.' " And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And on the seventh day God rested from all his work." And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest."
It still remains that some will enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel preached to them did not go in, because of their disobedience. Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said before: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts." For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.

The original Sabbath spoken of in Exodus is a pale reflection of the true Sabbath rest - the rest that Christians will receive in heaven. Since Jesus' life, death and resurrection, the need to rest on Saturday is (in my opinion) not really necessary, since that particular command has been fulfilled through Jesus opening a door for us to the real Sabbath Rest.

Hope that helps

Regards, PA

Blue Ive seen you have been quoting revelations alot recently and I think you can interpret the revelations to support what ever viewpoint you wish to push making it extremely subjective. And as such wonderful speculation, but by no means can it be used with certaintity of professing divine truth of 'God'.


"Revelation is considered one of the most controversial and difficult books of the Bible, with many diverse interpretations of the meanings of the various names and events in the account. Protestant founder Martin Luther considered Revelation to be "neither apostolic nor prophetic" and stated that "Christ is neither taught nor known in it" [3].

In the 4th century, St. John Chrysostom and other bishops argued against including this book in the New Testament canon, chiefly because of the difficulties of interpreting it and the danger for abuse. Christians in Syria also reject it because of the Montanists' heavy reliance on it. In the 9th century, it was included with the Apocalypse of Peter among "disputed" books in the Stichometry of St. Nicephorus, Patriarch of Constantinople. In the end it was included in the accepted canon, although it remains the only book of the New Testament that is not read within the Divine Liturgy of the Eastern Orthodox Church."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation




You just figure that out now???
You got some historical bible learning/catching up to do.

I totally agree
I enjoy Revelations, discussing different views and theorizing about meanings. But I would not make any definitive doctrinal statements based on it.

Regards, PA

I was taught as a catholic (back when I was one) to always keep holy the sabbath day, and thats when we went to church..on a Sunday..but the catholics also went on a Saturday......I used to attend church on Saturday to aviod going on a Sunday LOL but as far as I can recall Catholics always went to church on Saturday as well as Sunday

Sundays are more convenient, as many work on a Saturday

I find it hard to not take the Sabbath seriously, for as since God created the world, he had set apart the Sabbath as Holy. Ya see, the Sabbath day observance was a sign to everyone that who ever observed it followed God. It made a difference on who you followed, because if you worked on Saturday, it kinda made a difference on who you were following. See, Jesus said that he never did away with the Law but fulfilled it. He also stated that those that do the will of His FATHER will enter into the Kingdom of God. Its all throughout the NT.

Well, since christianity is an offshoot of Judiaism, yeah, I guess I did know that.

I'm surprised that you BF, a religious scholar didn't realize that until only last year.

yeah, well I studied many things but no one ever informed me of the Sabbath. Actually it wasn't last year, it was in 2004, but I was making a point. See, I got Baptised in 2003 but didn't find out about the Sabbath for another year. I didn't really follow it and even had fallen into bad habits. But then God saved me from a bad life by putting me in the path of my now wife Taylor. I reorganized myself and began studying and it dawned on me how important it was to follow Christ to the best of my ability. That's where I'm at now. Yeah, I study the Bible alot. I just figured since I was so in the dark about the Sabbath that perhaps others may be.

If God is truly all loving he isn't going to turn away all of those who where NB's....No testament can speak for God...only God himself will decide...the NT is only written by a man/men who think it's Gods word

Here you are blatantly wrong and contradticing scripture. To Jesus EVERY day is a holy day, every hour is a holy hour. For Jesus healed and WORKED even on the sabbath. Jesus and his disciples did not fulfill the law they broke it!


Matthew 12 verses 1-4

"At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath."

3He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. "

But that is your opinion right? Cuz it could be that God did inspire all the books of the Bible and thus have their validity. And yes an all loving God would turn away NB's. You can't cheat your way to the Kingdom of God. It requires loyalty to God, something NB's don't have.

No, Jesus did not break the Sabbath. The Sabbath to be kept Holy to God. Jesus is God and is Lord of the Sabbath. He isn't just plain man, he is God made in the flesh. He did no labor but did good for those who needed, thus not breaking the commandment.
Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath

If the Sabbath was then made for man, then helping man for God's glory is also keeping the Sabbath.

EVERY day is meant for helping man, and 'keeping the glory of god'. NOT just the sabbath! Every day is a sabbath!

Of course Jesus didnt break the sabbath according to his OWN interpretation of the sabbath, but he did BREAK THE OLD LAW!

You key words there blue are - It could be

Yes that was my opinion Blue just in the same way your beliefs are just your opinion and if you like chrsitian opinions...but NOT FACT

It is rather ignorant to say God will turn anyone away from his kingdom...this is one of the main reason as to WHY I wouldn't become a christian like my mother...to me and what my heart tells me blue is only GOD HIMSELF WILL MAKE SUCH DECISIONS

Every day is not a Sabbath. The Sabbath was made unto man for God's glory. If Jesus was the one who issued the Sabbath, how is he bound to it if it was designed for his glory?

As opposed to every other day that was NOT made unto man for the glory of God??



Well again if God=Jesus then yes, he is not bound to it and can change it whenever he wants. And so he did. My POINT was that it broke the old law as the pharisees pointed out and Jesus himself admited. Jesus was not fulfiling the law, but breaking it and changing it. That is my point.

Back to your originol post....



If sunday is a day of worship and celebration of christ's teachings this in NO WAY is disobediance to God. IF sunday is used to commemerate Christs ressurection, again it is not in disobediance to God. The sabbath was never intended to signify any of the things I just listed!

I dont think you even really know what the sabbath was intended for. Let me teach you or refresh your memory.

Genesis 2 verses 1-3

"2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done."

The sabbath according to the OT is only Holy BECAUSE it was intended as a day of rest. Thats why the pharisees where such sticklers in maintaing the sabbath as a day of rest and absolutely now WORK of any kind.

Venom does it again..yet another great post

If you were a 'TRUE' christen and followed God's laws down to the 'T' as per:

"Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. "


You would NOT go shopping on saturday, for this endorses and supports those that work as salespeople.

You would NOT eat at a resturaunt on saturday for it endorses those that work as waiters and as chefs.

This explains why alot of stores and malls up until the last decade where NOT open on sabbath(converted to->sundays). Even alot of resurants were closed. For it was a day of Rest.

They say the same over here on a Sunday



Thank goodness I am not a christian

Yeah, it was ok, I guess. Good information, well conveyed. Though it's nothing most CHristians I know wouldn't be able to tell you anyway........

Regards, PA

I was always aware of that.

No, just because he was not bound by that law, it does not mean that he changed it, for it was still observed even by the apostles. If it were so that Jesus sought to tweek the EVERLASTING COMMANDMENTS, then what could be said about Him? He established them FOREVER. Thus the Sabbath (Being Holy to God that MEN shall observe it,) was not changed either.

Very interesting. I agree. However, I wonder about the gathering of congregation. Just hear me out. What if you go down town to meet with the congregation at a Church? This costs gas which endorses and supports those who market fuel, right? This could be the very same thing Jesus was referring to when he said, 11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? Thus, as long as whatever you do applies to worshipping the Lord, it is for God's glory and is well observance of the Sabbath. I suppose that the Sabbath law was so that no man may toil for himself, that he may live, for this was the other six days for.

Even by the apostles?

Blue, you talk about observing the Sabbath. Did you know that strict orthodox Jews are prohibited from making fire on the Sabbath? Do you cook on the Sabbath?

When I was a lad, one of my friends father was the custodian at the local synagogue. My friend and I used to make pocket money by going to the homes and apartments of the Orthodox to turn on the lights at sundown. Ya see, according to the Orthodox, turning on a light switch is the same as "making fire".
And, since they were not allowed to conduct ANY kind of business on the Sabbath, the money they paid us was sitting on a dresser by the door, or a table, since the day before.

Do you sit in the dark on the Sabbath?

Do you know that there are strict rules about how far from your home you may travel on the Sabbath? Do you ever visit a friend or relative more than a mile away from your home on Sabbath?

So, if you really, truly wish to follow the book, you need to do these things. Oh, and forget about bacon, sausage, or ham at ANY time, but especially on the Sabbath, for you would truly be violating the Law.

Your missing the point again.

The sabbath was meant as a day of rest.

God did not ask to be worshiped on the sabbath.

And like jmpd1 said, the Jews had laws on a set amount of paces you are allowed to walk on the sabbath.

while not having any sort of religous uprbringing, i still interpreted the sabbath to be on a saturday...maybe an error on my part translated accidentally towards my correct association..

You're right about that. God asked to be worshipped EVERYDAY, even the Sabbath.l

I believe that EVERYONE that follows God, should at least give a little of their time each day to God...as he devotes all of his time to us

That actually had nothing to do with the Law. It was a rule instituted by the Pharisees.

If it had not been for this day of rest, women, servants, and slaves would never have had a single day off from heavy labor.

Seeing how some women today are expected to do it all seven days a week now, even Christian women on Sundays, there could be a lot said for turning it back into its orginal form of a day of rest for them. Bless their poor little worn out hands.

This is true

Hey! who let you two out of the kitchen?

LOL

I'm kidding! I'm kidding! put down that frying pan, it might go off.

ME with a frying pan LOL hell not a mission BM here cant cook to save herself my man does the cooking..he dont like my cooking...come to think of it neither does my Becky..darn I must be bad...even the dog wont snif it

Sorry to hear that BM. The wife and I share the cooking responsibilities.

My daughter is learning though. Right now her menu consists of PB&J, Tuna, and anything that can go in the microwave.

Jesus died in the day, and not being "night" on that friday, would mean that the eclipse that happened really represents alot. But, it does mean something relating to ressurection because, it doesn't really mean he "died" on that friday...

I was given a Jammie oliver cook book...I have made a few things and turned out rather well...but most times he cooks..I just make up lunches and clean house..ohh and take care of Becky

Peculiar. Saturday is the day of Saturn, Loki, and supposedly Satan. It is odd the Sabbath would instead fall on this day, as Sunday is literally "The Sun's Day".