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Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Dec 21 2006, 08:31 AM) [snapback]1469888[/snapback]
Ah I see, well that is something i would never suffer from LOL


I agree. I think this is more common among males.
I suppose the one more common among females, based upon classical accusations over the years, would be obsession to own things, materialism.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Dec 21 2006, 01:37 PM) [snapback]1469896[/snapback]
I agree. I think this is more common among males.
I suppose the one more common among females, based upon classical accusations over the years, would be obsession to own things, materialism.


Its common amongst males, because man dominates religion PERIOD!! its how it was and how it always will be...this I do agree on ..totally!!

boorite
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Dec 21 2006, 06:19 AM) [snapback]1469877[/snapback]
What is a spiritual illness??


I already posted an answer to that question. Are you asking again? Did you see the answer? I don't understand the purpose of just repeating the question.
beowulf
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Its common amongst males, because man dominates religion PERIOD!! its how it was and how it always will be...this I do agree on ..totally!!

Actually this is not true. The first monotheism seems to be the worship of the Mother Goddess about 10,000 to 12,000 years ago in the Neolithic villages of Anatola and Palestine...all indications are that it was Priestesses not Priests that ran that show....Check out modern Wicca, many sects are led and controlled by Preistesses. - Da Wolf
boorite
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Dec 21 2006, 06:23 AM) [snapback]1469881[/snapback]
To me the most prominent would be burning obessesion to have power over others.


Yes, a lot of personal problems are rooted in a perceived need to have things go one's own way, and that includes other people's behavior. "If only other people would act as I think they should, the world would be fine." That's an error so common that I can say with confidence that people who are committing it will read this message, and the perverse thing about it is, it won't even occur to them to apply it to themselves. It's almost a universal kind of error, and it can lead to all sorts of self-division, distress, conflicts with others, etc.

I think this obsession for control is in turn rooted in a deeper or more general malaise that I would call "selfish fear." Quite simply, at the very bottom of much unnecessary suffering is a pervasive fear for one's own welfare.

This is the kind of spiritual malady that can blossom into all sorts of symptoms-- substance abuse, paranoia, greed, a domineering personality, depression, what have you. And it is this sort of problem that prayer can fix. First, though, a person has to know what his problem is, and that's never easy.
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(boorite @ Dec 20 2006, 11:15 PM) [snapback]1469686[/snapback]
Any dysfunction in the nonphysical aspect of one's being, such as personality, motivation, and emotion.

For example, attitudes or conduct that are unnecessarily distressing to oneself or that cause impairment in one's functioning.

If you're of a certain mindset, you might say an "illness of the soul," or you might prefer the more worldly terminology.

So: A person who is divided, suffering, or lame in a spiritual sense can effect his own healing by praying. My point here is that prayer is not supposed to do the same job as medicine-- although spiritual health does improve physical health. What prayer can do is transform oneself for the better. It does not take away trials so much as it makes one more capable of handling them. From a subjective standpoint, it can transform such trials into growth experiences, thereby turning a negative into a positive. I have found that prayer works in this way whether or not one believes it will.

boorite illness is of hte temporal level , mental realm, physical realm...weh n ealigns with true self , self actaulizes, becoems enlightend all false beleifs or beleifs atha tare limiting are let go of, its a natural process it happens naturally...

REligion sees the human as flawed and inherently worthless this is in error.... one simply needs to look within the rest happens effotlessly and naturally you need do nothing or be nothnig when you are being who you are.....this is the core of easten mysticm, look within you will find your truth and it will guide you to benefit humankind, life will jsut work....


Prayer seems to be western prattle...
boorite
QUOTE(Supra Sheri @ Dec 21 2006, 09:00 PM) [snapback]1470659[/snapback]
... one simply needs to look within the rest happens effotlessly and naturally you need do nothing or be nothnig when you are being who you are.....this is the core of easten mysticm, look within you will find your truth and it will guide you to benefit humankind, life will jsut work....
Prayer seems to be western prattle...


You are wrong. Hindus pray, and Buddhists pray, and Taoists pray. There are Shinto prayers, Sikh prayers, and Jainist prayers. There are, in fact, atheistic prayers. You picked the wrong guy to lecture about Eastern mysticism, I'm afraid.

Nothing I've said about prayer proceeds from any particular religion or from any assumption that human beings are inherently worthless. Quite the opposite.

You don't seem to be even trying to understand. You have just called the spiritual experience I offered here "prattle." Your attitude is extremely negative and closed-minded. I would suggest to you that it's possible that there are things you don't know, things you might learn by listening to the experience of others. Isn't that why the topic is here? Or was the question asked only so that you can insult people who have different viewpoints from yours? Isn't that what you accuse religious persons of doing? Is it constructive?

I say that I, a nonbeliever, have personally experienced the power that prayer has to heal oneself spiritually. Call it prattle if that makes you feel good, but I think that's far from the best you can do.
truethat
I do believe that we have the power to "share" our good energy. If you notice that people who have been prayed for by others seem to receive blessings. I don't think God has anything to do with it. If he did then he's pretty particular as to whose prayers he answers.

In Richard Dawkins book The God Delusion he addresses this issue and points to an extensive study that was done with three control groups. Those being prayed for, those not being prayed for and those who KNEW they were being prayed for. The group that knew they were being prayed for (after a cardiac surgery) all faired the worst than the others.

I think sending our good energy out to one another is a good thing. For example if I am feeling fine in my life but I see another is sad I will share my extra happy thoughts with that person.
boorite
That's called "intercessionary prayer," and I don't think it really works, either.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(boorite @ Dec 21 2006, 11:56 PM) [snapback]1470441[/snapback]
I already posted an answer to that question. Are you asking again? Did you see the answer? I don't understand the purpose of just repeating the question.


Well..if you had of bothered to scroll just a tad down, you would have seen that Bella did answer it for me...but if you wanna answer it again and again...feel free chum!!! happy.gif
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(boorite @ Dec 22 2006, 12:12 AM) [snapback]1470888[/snapback]
You are wrong. Hindus pray, and Buddhists pray, and Taoists pray. There are Shinto prayers, Sikh prayers, and Jainist prayers. There are, in fact, atheistic prayers. You picked the wrong guy to lecture about Eastern mysticism, I'm afraid.

Nothing I've said about prayer proceeds from any particular religion or from any assumption that human beings are inherently worthless. Quite the opposite.

You don't seem to be even trying to understand. You have just called the spiritual experience I offered here "prattle." Your attitude is extremely negative and closed-minded. I would suggest to you that it's possible that there are things you don't know, things you might learn by listening to the experience of others. Isn't that why the topic is here? Or was the question asked only so that you can insult people who have different viewpoints from yours? Isn't that what you accuse religious persons of doing? Is it constructive?

I say that I, a nonbeliever, have personally experienced the power that prayer has to heal oneself spiritually. Call it prattle if that makes you feel good, but I think that's far from the best you can do.

boorite having positive thoughts will reflect in the body as health.......prayer is focused thought intended for a specific outcome...maybe you may want to take your own advice.....on opening the mind a bit......

I said prayer as defined by western religon is prattle and i am talking on the begging ,supplicating , only if you need type thatt many relgious people themselves say doesn't work......

it did sound as if you were going benny hinn, accreditiing prayer to a diety that dosen't exist to healing.. I asked you what you meant specifically..

I have a pet peeve about misleading others....prayer is a term used to mean alot of things in all fairness i feel it should be said.......that is all its not about you boorite.....
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