I think I have been pretty clear through virtually all of my postings that I feel the same way. That is why I pounce on types of blood libles that seek to demonize large groups of people because of their beliefs, when good and evil can always be found active in any group at any time.

If you were unaware of what happened back then perhaps you are unaware of what happened to Christians in East Timor thirty years ago? It seems it is not politcally correct to talk about it much in the West anymore for some mysterious politcally correct reason.

Fretilin forces were pushed deep into the countryside, and Indonesian president Suharto declared East Timor's annexation by Indonesia in July 1976. By November of that year, relief agencies in East Timor estimated that an extraordinary 100,000 Timorese had been killed since the Indonesian invasion less than a year earlier. What followed was a protracted guerrilla war by Fretilin forces, who eventually succeeded in establishing control over about half the remaining Timorese population. Indonesian "counterinsurgency" strategies reached a genocidal scale, causing widespread starvation. Indeed, Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman argued in their 1980 book, The Washington Connection and Third World Fascism, that the Indonesian assault had taken a greater per-capita toll -- killing about a third of the Timorese population -- than any genocide since the Jewish holocaust. But the slaughter took place at a time when western governments and media were resolutely focused on the atrocities committed by the communist Khmer Rouge in Cambodia/Kampuchea, and attracted barely a whisper of notice or official condemnation.
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When people are constantly fed the message that a religion is completely evil and irredeemable, this is the end result. Genocide. Whether the carriers of types of blood libles are aware of it or not, that is the goal that they are working towards.

The human race has well proven its proclivity to commit violence. It has fairly clear recognizable patterns. When any group starts to think they are immune to wrongfully persecuting others that is when they seem to be most likely to do it. They tend to be pure ideologists filled with hate or religious fundementalists filled with hate. It all ends the same and tends to start the same.

many cultures have killed the "non beleivers". Same justification as killing the christians. It is all for superficial reasons. The life "beneath" dimished to allow for such acts, for "the greater good". Again I say that you also need to define this "greater good" in its context.

What has happened, has happened. We learn from it. Each person learns something slightly different though, and for their purposes, every answer is "right".

Nature is full of "innocent victims". Man demonstrates how he is a part of, and not above nature, in his most animalistic of behaviours. In its purest animalistic form, it is predator vs prey. Unless you stand against all killing, then it is only a stand to further congruities within yourself: self-serving. Would you kill somebody that was a potential threat to you? The romans did (remember threat is a perception).

tbh, christians did the exact same thing... in scotland - british christian soldiers forced a small village (kids, adults, babies) into a church, barricaded the door and set it a-light. < thats one example that springs to mind, that early christians did the exact same thing as the romans did before.
horrible? yes it is, yet the peaceful religion of christianity is as brutal as other religions, in their actions.

while killing is viewed as horrible (i won't go into the whys), in the bigger picture we must be careful in our accepting and condemning of such actions, for we know not what they will bring. Killing the christians, if completed by the romans, might well have made the world a better place. On the other hand, had the christians not been persecuted they might not have so quickly taken to persecuting others and the world might well have been a better place. (don't forget to ask exactly what "a better place" is) Whose place is it to judge the actions of others, of another time; to so easily say whether or not someone or something should have been killed? People do a wonderful job at justifiying their actions. So easy is it to justify killing person A, and saving person B, all on rather superficial attributes, while overlooking life itself.

Far more complex than most see it, it is. Never so linear as portrayed in sci-fi texts, is it.


Is innocence a superficial belief?

I do not stand for killing to the best of my ability but as a humanity we define by our sytems and dogmas what we will and will not allow...Hitler shows us that if nothing else, that people will die to be right and be perfectly justified in doing so.... I would actually love to see humanity as a whole redraw the line on what is acceptable behavior, .Many dogmas emulate solving differences with killing maybe there is another way. we are all in this togehter .......

Actually I like the idea of solving differences with killing. Too bad the world is all about manipulation and deception. And self-induced illusion.

You wouldn't call killing manipulative deceptive and self induced????? may i ask why you prefer the idea of killing as the only way to solve conflict?????

I think people that kill will never make it into the next world but suffer sadly here...well after the raptures

Persecution of the Christians? If you will look at history, the Christians more than made up of their being persecuted (two short periods during the days of the pre-Constantine Empire) by their later persecutions of those whose religion didn’t match theirs. Here are two examples of many many many actions of cruelty by the Christians:
In the 12th century, the Church became alarmed at the success of the Albigenses. The Albigenses were a group that claimed Christianity, but were actually more dualists that perceived Christianity of the day as morally bankrupt and far strayed by the original teachings of Jesus. In 1207, Pope Innocent III instructed his His chief legate, Pierre de Castelnau to arrange a warlike campaign of the princes. Caesarius of Heisterbach records in Dialogus Miraculorum that, when, at the first large town, Béziers, soldiers asked the Papal legate in charge of the crusade how they could distinguish between heretics and orthodox, the Abbot of Citeaux famously answered:
Show mercy neither to order, nor to age, nor to sex… Cathar or Catholic, kill them all… God will know his own (…caedite eos… novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius).
Arnold himself reported to the pope they had indeed spared neither rank, age nor sex and had massacred 20,000 people. Some have put the figure at 40,000. 6000 were said to have sheltered in the Catholic Church of S Madeleine, and were probably therefore mainly Catholics. All were murdered. As each town was taken, the inhabitants were put to the sword without distinction of age or sex. Clergymen in the army distinguished themselves by their ferocity.
H.G. Wells in his “Crux Ansata” said, “The accounts of the cruelties and abominations of this crusade are far more terrible to read than any account of Christian martyrdom by the Pagans, and they have the added horror of being indisputably true.”
The next group that I wish to show as an example is the Waldenses. Another group claiming to be Christians, but with ways and belief that were not those of orthodox Chrisitanity (including those of today) In 1487, pope Innocent VIII issued a bull for their extermination. A crusade against them looked like succeeding until a fog descended, confusing the Catholics and allowing them to be defeated. It was a setback and Charles II, the Duke of Piedmont was persuaded to leave them be. Waldenses in Germany joined the Hussites and the Bohemian Brethren, only to suffer more persecution. The Waldenses were living in the valleys of Piedmont in the seventeenth century. The Church exercised its authority on the Duke Charles Emmanuel II of Savoy who ordered that the Vaudois region should be reduced. The attorney of the Duke in 1655 ordered all of them to become Roman Catholics or lose their property and lives. The army used to enforce the order was made up of Frenchmen from Louis XIV’s army and Irishmen who had fled from Cromwell. The people were treated with horrible barbarity.
Before long, mobs were rampaging over the estates of the Waldenses. After the men had been killed or chased into the mountains, the women were beheaded and their children had their brains dashed out. In the towns of Villaro and Bolbio, those over 15 years old who refused mass were crucified upside down. Younger children were throttled.
Nothing now could be seen but the face of horror and despair. Blood stained the floors of houses, dead bodies strewed the streets, groans and cries were heard from all parts.
The Duke’s soldiers were even worse. They made a point of mutilating any Waldensian that they caught before they killed them. Often they were simply left to die of their wounds, or of starvation, because they were too injured to move to seek nourishment. Mary Reymondet had her flesh stripped from her bones slice by slice in a manner reminiscent of Hypatia, a thousand years before. She died in a frightful state. Giovanni Pelanchion was tied with one leg to a mule and was dragged through the town while pelted with stones. Ann Charboniere was impaled with a stake and left to die.
Others were suspended from trees or the beams of their own homes by iron hooks stuck through their abdomens. Bartholemew Frasche had holes bored through his heels, through which a rope was passed and he was dragged to a dungeon and left to die. Daniel Rambart had a joint of a finger or toe amputated each day. Some people had packets of gunpowder forced into their mouths and lit. Drowning, suffocation and burning at the stake were all common. Sara Rastignole des Vignes refused to recite Jesus Maria so had a sickle stuck into her vagina. Martha Constantine was raped and killed by having her breasts cut off.
A servant of Jacopo Michalino was tortured by being stabbed many times in the souls of his feet and in his ears. Then his penis was cut off and the bleeding wound cauterized with a candle, so that he did not bleed to death and would suffer longer. Then his torturers tore off his nails with hot pincers. Still he would not recant his religion, so they tied him to a mule and dragged him through the streets of Bolbio. Finally they killed him by tying a staff to his head with cords and twisting it off his body.
Children were killed in front of their parents by being decapitated or cut to pieces. Mary Pelanchion was hung naked from a bridge and used as target practice. Cypriana Bastia said he would rather be dead than a Catholic, so he was half-starved with some dogs and then fed to them. Jacopo de Ronc had his nails pulled out by red hot pincers, then was led through the streets being alterbnately bludgeoned and having a strip of flesh cut from him.
These murders continued in the Piedmont valleys until they were almost depopulated. Those who were not tortured to death but fled to the mountains died there of starvation or disease. Despite the outrage of Protestant Europe, the army of occupation remained and Vaudois worship was curtailed. Their chief pastor, Leger, had to flee to Leyden where he wrote his History of the Vaudois Church (1684). The Waldensians survived until the sixteenth century, when they joined the Protestant Reformation.
I won’t even go into detail about the 4500 Saxons beheaded by Charlemagne at Verden in 782 CE for refusing to leave their gods and be baptized as Christian. As you can see, any persecution of the Christians by the ancient Roman Emperors was nothing compared to what their members that were “enlightened by the love of Jesus” perpetrated upon others whose only crime was not to believe as they did!

you tell me.

it depends on one's perspective, one's dogma, one's desires,.... doesn't it?

it depends on one's perspective, one's dogma, one's desires,.... doesn't it?

It does. But the real question is, can you determine your perspective, your dogma, your desire..... and change it?

Well I wouldnt...I dont think like that...IMO christians and NB;s a ect ect should not be killed for what they believe or dont believe in

Ohh good lordy...I made this thread to raise awareness of how badly christians where killed due to their beliefs...now look at it...every tom dick and harry have jumped on saying well what about those that the christians have killed and what about blah blah...........Folks relax...I know this but gee it should be left to another thread..if either of you feel like talking about it..go ahead make your thread but this one is about christians

Please note I am not being rude...I am taking a stand for christians..I dont have to be a christian to do this....I like some of you thought the stories where heart breaking...this is all I was sharing

Thanks for Reading and remeber...BM loves you all LOL

You wouldn't call killing manipulative deceptive and self induced????? may i ask why you prefer the idea of killing as the only way to solve conflict?????

We weren't talking about the only way to solve conflict. Just one.

And it is actually the oppposite.
It is straightforward. No lying. No manipulating. No tip-toeing around the issue. No talking behind someone's back, because you're afraid to tell them face to face. No illusionary friendships, that you cannot even see.
If killing doesn't bring the point across, what else?

But killing is not even neccessary. It is actually not the only way, nor the best way. Just an extremum.

This is terrible for anyone. It is absolute and pure ignorance. Some people will find any reason to hate. To hate for another and it will go on and on unless people are willing to break the chain. The saddest thing to me is to see the children suffer in other people's ignorance and hate. For what have they done to deserve such injustice?

Very nice post. I think we should all be reminded of these things even if they are long ago.

Thankyou Star...it is sad to imagine lil kids suffering for a simple belief and what makes it worse..they most likely didnt understand religion...all they prolly cared about was when their next meal was ect poor babies

of a more curious nature is how easily people forget.
For it is easy, and comforting, to forget that which stresses one.
But one should not forget the human animal, and what it is.
Lest one becomes a victim of that animal.
No matter how comforting it is to selectively remember what one likes.

I earnestly wonder how many are being hypocrites in this thread.

If that was aimed at me...well no I am not a hypocrit hyper...I am an non chrsitan and have stood by my fellow friends of the NBs but when I read this I had to say somethiung about it...i do have a heart after all...I just hate the thoughts of lil kids being killed for something they do not understand..whats so wrong with that i ask?

it wasn't aimed at you BM.

It is that, in general, people will say things like "it is so horrible to....",

and then support carpet bombing of iraq,
or eat chocolate produced via child slave labour.

when they don't have to see it, and it benefits them, it is fine. "the way of the world",
but when it is abstracted to just a story that they can react to, then it all of a sudden matters.

There must be death for there to be life. There are consumers and producers in the world. Humans are consumers and are not self-sufficient. We must kill to survive, and so we do.

religious persecution is universal i can not think of one where someone has not been murdered even buddists have been killed maby not in great quantity. It seems sad that this is the so to say fact of life on this world. However persecuting someone for their religion isn't the worst that has happened Try being killed just because someone sayed you were of that religion it happened in the salem trials and all over england people were accused of being witches even when they weren't they got tested so that there was no passing but death. Example the water test tie the person with rocks throw them into water they sink and die they are inocent they float they are guilty and burnt to death some test that is.

Or support dogmas that create continued violence, or mass slaughter for the consumption of animals, or using corporal punishment in the raising of our children, the future, the end to violence begins in the home, in the churches.... Yes i wonder to how many actually do anything more then just talk...this was not aimed at anyone in particular it was a generel pondering......

We can be selective, yes. I have seen many injustices in my life, in my own home growing up. Do I selectively choose to forget sometimes? Yes. Why? Because it helps me survive sometimes to forget. So it is not curious to me why people choose to forget.

Everyday we awaken we are selective in our daily lives.

Everyone is hippocritical sometime or another, sometimes maybe not and maybe it is just the beholder's perception as they select to see.

Mako most of those dates you listed were hundreds, heck maybe thousands of years ago! It doesnt make it any better of course not- and im first to jump in like and say christians were never "innocent"...Yet one thing that weakens your case is the FACT that Christians are one of the most persecuted groups today, in this "modern" civilization- also did you read my links on the Turkish cleansing of Christians (1.5 million) in 1915- 1917 and the 1.5 million Christians executed in Sudan in 1984 by the "Janjaweed"?

Also my example of being able to come to Australia and many more "Christian" countries and enjoy the freedom to practise your faith- Mosques stand tall and proud- Synagogues sit by the Beach- Churches bells ring hourly- yet WHY are Christians not allowed the same religious freedom where they are a minority TODAY? Not hundreds, not thousands of years ago Mako- were talking about today...Where they are being beheaded in Indonesia- Burned Alive in India- Jailed and Killed in China- Slashed and Taken of their Posessions in Saudi Arabia...Over 500 Churches Burned down in Java....What is your explanation!

I am disgusted at how hush everyone has become about these LATEST atrocities against Christians not to "offend" anyone or not to be seen as "racist" that is allowing the further mistreatment of Christians! Lets forget numbers and start to realize the time we are living in now- were meant to be tolerant but were as bad as we always have been! This time its the Christians that are getting persecuted and people seem to think they "deserve" it for their bad past? Lets forget the past and look into the future- theres no future with the current "its okay" attitude towards the killing of Christians (staying in topic).

i didn't read over the whole thread, but i will point out that the exact same things were done BY christians during the crusades.

also, the church persecuted it's own people. remember joan of arc? the church ordered her to be jailed, raped, and burnt at the stake. the CHURCH did this. not the government. i don't care if she was a heretic, looney, or whatever else. there is absolutely NO excuse for doing that to someone.

people tend to go on and on about how christians are persecuted. i was a christian for 13 years of my life, but am now an atheist. i can honestly say that i have been persecuted a hundred times more for being an atheist as i have for being a christian. perhaps in third world countries, christians are persecuted, but in america where christianity is the norm, the others get the raw end of the deal. i don't understand why christians complain about being a persecuted religion when THEY are the ones doing the persecuting. it makes me so mad.

EDIT: i'll give you guys an example of what i have gone through as an atheist. i never faced any persecution as a christian, but as soon as i admitted to not being a christian anymore, several of my friends stopped speaking to me. others decided that i was a bad influence and did everything they could to keep me from being friends with their friends. my friends' parents have forbidden them from talking to me, as i am quite obviously evil now that i am no longer a christian. everytime i even MENTION religion, people either get all defensive thinking that i'm going to attack them, or they attempt to convert me. i have lost so many friends and loved ones because of this. more often than not, i just wish i had continued to lie about my faith. it would have made things much easier.

Rose i think its best that you did read over the whole thread- this isnt the response BM was looking for- infact its going way off topic- if you want to start a thread on persecutions BY Christians then do it (but its done before) what BM did was different she shed light on the persecutions ON christians and i admire people that can see it from both sides.

Rose

I went through many of the same things in my conversion away from religion, so I can relate.
But Christians have also been persecuted and I don't think it can be justified because of what they have done.

yes Christians were and are persecuted for their faith, as are lots of people for different reasons. why isnt something done about it? politics and money, of course. some countries have trading partners on the UN security council that are willing to turn the other way as long as the cheap oil or jeans keep flowing, and bloody blue helmets in the hands of crazed mobs dont win votes anywhere.

It seems extrememly hypocritical to open a thread on the mistreatment of christians over the years and then act surprised when people point out that they gave alot worse than the got.

Anyway to point at any one religious/racial/political group and say that they were treated horrifically seems pointless. Over the centuries it has grown apparent that no belief can last long before it becomes something less than its intent. Yes Christ bought a great idea to the world, (Thou i don't believe it has any relation to any greater being be it god, Allah, buddah or any other divine being) as a result of his saying how great it would be if every one was nice to one another he was killed in a very painful and drawn out fashion.

Christians were masacared for a few hundred years then they got on top and massacared everyone else. Most popes acted in a way that might make Suddam Hussein or Adolf Hitler wince in sympathy for the victims.

This is no different than most orders. When David saved the Israelites and became their king a long period of happiness and prosperity was given to the Jews. As a result of this all the neighbors had war visited on them as David sought to conquer the world.

More recently there is Great Russian Revolution to look at. The Communists desposed of the Tsars who were truly barbaric and within thirty years they were massacaring their neighbors and also their own people.

All people can look back and see that their people have been treated terribly but if they would look a little harder they would almost certainly see that they treated someone else as badly.

My family came to Australia from Latvia during WW2 fleeing from the Nazis on one side and the communists on the other. Latvia was leveled to the ground, the ruling class destroyed and the commonors largely killed. The population was close to halved and some believed it was even worse. But years ago the latvians were responsible for some of the worst dictators, conquerors etc of all time. At the time it was of course part of Prussia but nonetheless.

So you can see that saying that christians/ muslims/ Jews etc were persecuted is only looking at one side of the story.

Ramster i don't think Bec's ma will mind it seems this is stirring alot of upset about people dying for beleifs , it doesn't matter christain or otherwise. Its actually the first time I have seen many religious people actually care, I can't even be part of a system that kills or uses violence myself i take non violence very seriously and I must say thanks to Bec's ma i see some people who I thought don't care actually do and maybe its the same for others, you never know the value something has and bec's ma would want to know she has touched lifes opened hearts.......

Maybe we ought to talk of the Catholic death camps in the Balkans during WWII or the Serbian ethnic cleansing during the last two decades or so....I got to see that one first hand. Whole villages of moslems killed by Christians! Yeah, loving Christians. Never change! Luckily the religion is on it's last legs.

The main reason i say that is theres been many, many posts about the Christians being the evil doers and persecuting others but for as long as i have been here i have never seen one post on the atrocities given TO Christians and its about time someone bought it up...Christians persecuting- of course! we've heard it all before....Christians persecuted? Who cares? thats the attitude some share here.

Yes and many of the war criminals have been captured/killed or are still being hunted down at least their is JUSTICE but whats being done about it in other countries ? Whats being done about Christian persecution TODAY in countries where they are a minority...nothing? Oh of course.!

to ramster's comment:

i understand that the christians were persecuted. and i'm not justifying what happened to them, but i am also pointing out that they have done similar, if not worse things. it bugs me when christians complain and whine about how much they are persecuted when they no longer are. now the tables have turned and they are persecuting others. that may have happened to people of their same religion, but it happened hundreds and hundreds of years ago. it doesn't apply to they themselves. so they need to quit complaining and start watching their own actions. i feel the same way about affirmative action and slavery and such. i don't feel that anyone should hold a grudge or feel that they should receive compensation for something that is ancient history and did not involve any of those currently living. do you see where i'm coming from? we should let history rest and focus on the problems of the present. because at the moment, it's the christians persecuting others. they are no longer being persecuted.

edit: when i say they are no longer persecuted, i mean that they no longer are persecuted in the USA

That's a very odd claim to make, considering there were Christians in Hussein's cabinet. It is generally conceded that Iraqi Christians have been leaving en masse only since the invasion, and that the ones remaining have a much harder time now than under Hussein. That's not too surprising, considering Hussein was about as much of a Muslim as Bill Clinton was a Southern Baptist...he didn't give a hoot about converting anyone, whatever you may think. Don't expect any more Christians in the Iraqi government anytime soon!

Ramster no way, no one thinks who cares , many have been post after post after post trying to get this looked at, It is horrible any time anyone loses there life or diginity over a beleif its a major loss for humanity......

Thats ridiculous. How can capturing a couple of people and trying them for war crimes be construed as "Justice" I have travelled to Latvia and seen the results of Ethnic cleansing and mass genocide. I actually lived there for over a year. My girl friend is a white person from Zimbabwe who saw first hand the horrors of ethnic mass genocide because of ones skin colour. I am certain that the arrest of a couple of very evil men will be a blessing on the thousands of families who loved ones merely disappeared to be found in mass grave(please note the sarcasm).



Couldn't agree more

Atlantis, I agree with the general tone of your post--who are the bad guys and who are the good guys is often just a way of stating who is on top at any given time.

However, I have to correct your history on one point. The Communists did not depose the Tsar, they deposed the popular socialist government of Kerensky, which was installed after the people deposed the Tsar. Also, the Communists were not massacring people "within 30 years" of taking power but within 30 minutes of taking power. They inaugurated a civil war in January 1918 that didn't exist until that point and was never destined to happen.

Just had to clear that point up. Otherwise, I liked your post a lot.

I know it. The world of adults is supposed to be their supervisors, their leaders, their mentors, yet when they have to be preavy to such things it serves sometimes to breed them in it as well. They suffer as grown ups choose to remain blind.

I wonder when the world of adults will lay down arms, cast out violence, break the cycle and generally when will some adults grow up. My heart goes out to those that suffer because of their faith and those that suffer just because.....

I'm sorry? So you are saying its better off to let these criminals go or dont bother to put them to justice? What are you talking about? Those war criminals being caught is a BLESSING to those poor families that had their relatives killed- sure it wont bring back their deceased but it shows Justice- do you know the sense of the word "Justice?".

EDIT: Some of the captured war criminals gave the GREEN LIGHT to the massacres that took place, if it wasnt for their words of authority its likely there would have been no such bloodshed so of COURSE it was Justice..!

Now i ask what has been done to stop or at least justify the persecution of Christians in countries where they are a minority- absolutely nothing! That to me is more shameful.

That is not what i am saying. certainly the offenders must be caught and punished. But this is more to stop reoffending then to make anyone happy. It may indeed bring closure to a family that has been hurt so severely but to exact justice would mean that they suffered an equal amount. I do not see how Suddam Hussein could be made to suffer a fraction as much as the Iraqi people (Not to mention the Kuwaitis, Saaudis etc) did. Where is the justice in someone such as Molosovic responsible for thousands or even millions of deaths dying in custody. Even granted that it is unlikely that a heart attck was the true cause. Even if Suddam Hussein is given a death sentence it will be done in a humane fashion such as by electrocution or lethal injection. IE hes alive and then a short time later he is dead. How does that compare to thousands of Kurds dead by nerve gas, or hundreds dead by torture in the various camps he had. Perhaps the arrest of these people is necessary to rid the world of them but it is not justice. Justice means that the victims should be satisfied and while they may be glad Hussein/ Molosovic/ Himmler etc are gone it does not even start to makeup for the terror, pain and sorrow felt by the vicitims of such people.

I feel much the same way about victims of violent crime but that is not for here and now.

Kinda funny actually.

i understand how you feel , i hide the fact that i am not christian just to avoid being preached to and told i am wrong or that the devil has influenced me and all that mumbo jumbo

How is this shocking ITS NORMAL!!! every new reilgon is prosicuted GET USED TO IT!! and they died willingly not without choice they were maryters not murder victims

brutality has been a part of humanity for millenia, it is sad that mankind cannot evolve past this self destructive behavioral aborition and become more than the sum of our faiths or lack therof to express the maximum potiential of the human race.

Human Beings seem to have a lust for gore that has not changed since ancient times. Look at the movies our society watches. Texas Chain Saw Massacre didn't scare me near as bad as thinking about all the people who actually enjoy watching it.

Seem to be the natural course of things to kill those who think or act different and appear to be a threat of what we hold dear. I don't think it is so much about being a different religion as much as it about being different.

A little research:

On March 12, 2000 Pope John Paul II attempted to purify the soul of the Catholic Church by apologizing for 2000 years of "sins" committed by the church
Quite some compensation for twenty centuries of terrorism, extortion and murder!


On a side note:

The Roman Catholic Church has removed 218 priests from their positions this year because of child sexual abuse allegations, but at least 34 known offenders remain in church jobs.

31 July, 2003 "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" condemns same sex deviants who seek marriage.
In contrast, no Vatican condemnation of priestly pedophiles.

Actually, none of the folk that ran the death camps were ever brought to justice. They were not Nazis, but instead natives of the Balkans. They for the most part went on to become officials in the post-war Yugoslavian government. With the desolution of Yugoslavia, most of these individuals were the icons of the Serbian "ethnic cleansing". As far as the war criminals of the "ethnic cleansing", only a bare handful (out of literally tens of thousands) have even appeared before the Hauge court! When Christians give justice to all those millions that they have slaughtered over the centuries, then and only then can they cry that they are being persecuted....until then, it is only pay back time.

People of all kinds slaughtered millions over the centuries, from different nations, cultures, races, creeds, and relgions.

No one is gulity for a crime committed by their father. People are only guilty for crimes they themselves committed.

The type of attitude I see in your quote is the kind that inspires genocide.
You have a problem and you are a seriously messed up person if this is truly how you feel.
Maybe you should seek help before you find yourself blowing up Christian nursery schools.

Tell that to your God....