I've been hearing about this lately. I've hear that it'll be released or something sunday. Either that or National Geographic is having a special on it sunday. I was curious, who wrote it? I know it's called "The Gospel of Judas" but does that mean Judas wrote it? If so, when is it dated to? What is contained in the gospel of Judas?

Zero

Here is something for you on it.

http://www.christiancentury.org/article.lasso?id=1594

Irenaeus gives the credit for the Gospel of Judas to a group of gnostics called the Cainites. it would have been written around mid 2nd century, 130-170.

It will be interesting to hear the "other side of the story." I heard it portrays Judas as a hero, who betrays Christ not because of greed but out of need because He has to die for mans sins. If you think about it, it would take much courage to turn in a friend, regardless if it is for something so noble as dying for all peoples sins.

Chapters 1-4: Gospel of Judas

Information on the Gospel of Juda: Wikipedia

I don't think that Judas wrote any kind of "good news". He's the thief who betrayed Jesus then hanged himself. Remember?

Judas was one of the twelve Apostles.

Nice find star!! I can't wait to see this. I will put off my celebrity reality shows to watch this Sunday if that's what it takes. I do agree that Judas was doing God's work because after all this was his great divine plan for human repentance so that they're sins can be forgiven. But I'am wondering why he would be put in that position only for him to commit suicide when he was doing God's work. And we all know what the bible says about suicide. So there are questions I'd love answered but I can't sit and dwell on them. I think anything that comes out that is not in the bible is great and will have difference on the Christianity church.

I doubt it will affect the beliefs of most Christians. It probably will give additional affirmation to some modern gnostic Christians who believe that evil is nessesary for good to exist. They see it as a balance of forces while most other Christians see evil as dysfuctional, illogical, stagnant, and something to grow up out of and/or be helped and saved from remaining in.

Gnostics Ive run into view that the god of the old testiment and creator is a evil god that we need to escape. By the use of Gnosis. Now the view of jesus is where alot differ. Some say he was the son of the true god a Aeon. While some say he was seth. Some say he was logos, the truth within us brought forth.
But theres alot of gnostic cults so some might think the Archon is a needed thing.

Hi Kate

Give credit to Zero....he is the OP not stargazer.

Ya but I do watch TV and already knew about the show. When I said 'Nice find Star' I was referring to the link that she provided about the Book of Judas. And Hi back to ya!

OH!

The Fate of Judas

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Is it part of your tribal law to tell non-tribal posters what they should do in every third or fouth post that a tribal member makes? Just curious.

It is my law that the whole truth be known.
A partial truth is worse that a complete lie.


"Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth".

"To be idle is a short road to death and to be diligent is a way of life; foolish people are idle, wise people are diligent".
Buddha

The media talking point regarding the Gospel of Judas is that he was instructed to betray Jesus. This Gospel is creating quite a lot of hype in the media and the internet. I hope thousands, hundreds of thousands buy a copy of this Gospel when it hits the shelves in hopes that they will get a different point of view of the story of Judas. They will be in for a surprise.

They will hope to get a better understanding of who Judas was but the Gospel will tell more about who "God" is, more accurately who Jesus' "Father" is.

The media likes to take either side, will this change Christians perceptions of Judas or will it have no effect?

They fail to mention that who "God" is in the Gospel will be a bigger issue.

The Gospel of Judas was written by Cainites, named after the biblical Cain because they viewed him as the first victim of the false god, the Demiurge, YHWH. As with Judas, a villain to the evil church, he was a hero to them.

They were more extreme in their views and won't pull any punches.

Also, zandore that isn't the Gospel of Judas Iscariot but Judas Thomas, the twin brother of Jesus. Just want you to know, let "the whole truth be known".

Gnostic writers produced several gospels named after New Testament figures such as the Apostle Thomas and Mary Magdalene. None have been considered authoritative since the Christian canon was defined in the 4th century.
A lineup of scholars assembled by National Geographic yesterday admitted the book has no proven link to the Judas who, according to the Gospel of Matthew, committed suicide soon after he betrayed Jesus.
"There is no independent historical tradition behind this text," said the Rev. Donald Senior, president of the Catholic Theological Union in Chicago. The writers of the Gospel of Judas, he added, "made its characters to be mouthpieces of their own theology."
Marvin Meyer, a Bible and Christian studies professor at the Albert Schweitzer Institute at Chapman University in Orange, Calif., called the document a "mystical portrayal" combining Jewish mysticism and Platonism, which sees matter, including the human body, as imperfect, transitory and less than the ideal world of the spirit.
The 26-page codex, or manuscript, had a circuitous route to discovery. Scholars knew of its existence because of its mention in "Against Heresies," a treatise written in 180 by Irenaeus, bishop of Lyon. Irenaeus called the account "a fictitious story."
The document remained a legend until a copy -- in the ancient Coptic language, native to Egypt -- was unearthed sometime in the 1970s near El Minya in upper Egypt.
In 1978, it was sold to an antiquities dealer in Cairo, who spent several years trying to sell it, but his asking price was too high for interested scholars. In 1984, the manuscript was stored in a Hicksville, N.Y., bank safe-deposit box where it stayed until 2000, when Zurich antiquities dealer Frieda Nussberger-Tchacos purchased it.
She then transferred it to the Maecenas Foundation for Ancient Art in Basel, Switzerland, to be preserved and translated. Samples sent to the University of Arizona's radiocarbon-dating lab a year ago showed the manuscript's date as between 220 and 340. It is not known who wrote the document or when the original, probably written in Greek, was composed.
National Geographic has published a book, set up a museum exhibit, put together a TV special to air Sunday and has devoted the May issue of its magazine to the gospel.
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And the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John weren't either but they fail to mention that.

The Church has a history of aberrant behaviour why should they be trusted?

You mention Judas' suicide "soon after he betrayed Jesus". Glad you brought that up.

Matthew 27:5

And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

Acts 1:18

With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.

So which is it?

I think its funny that God and Jesus, who is supposedly also God, are all-knowing until Satan comes around and tricks them.

Does it not say that after the crucifixion, Jesus appeared to the twelve apostles...

John 20:24

But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

John 20:26

Eight days later the disciples were together again, and this time Thomas was with them. The doors were locked; but suddenly, as before, Jesus was standing among them. He said, "Peace be with you."

Christians really need to look into this stuff more before making asses of themselves.

Good another one that likes to post Bible contradictions!

I do the same Hermetic Hermit but this is not really the section to do that in and I try to be a little more respectful when I do.

I stand corrected then.

BTW: Jesus did not have a twin brother!

i think that it is true cause the churches all of em are always hiding stuff and now i bet some one in the church is getting there a$$ chewed out right about now for letting it get out

jesus did have brothers and sisters i just wanted to make that clear

Per Christian Bible
4 half brothers and at least 2 half sisters BUT no twin brothers

Will be more respectful, apologies to all.



Didymos(means 'twin') Judas Thomas(means 'twin'). Whether they are physically twins is debatable. I doubt it but that's what some say.

The MODs take a very dim view.



Do you have a link to any info on this? This might be worth looking into.

Do a search for [ "Didymos Judas Thomas" twin ] and see what you get. I can't rely on giving information from a site that I am not sure about since I read about this in a book which I can't link to.

"Didymos" Thomas is also written in the New Testament John 11:16, 20:24, 21:2 I believe.

Perhaps the term was once used to imply a lifelong best friend.

Perhaps. Some say it represents a spiritual likeness. Either way, I see the contents of the Gospel of Thomas more valuable than who he is.

Googled "Didymos Judas Thomas" and hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button ( ) and this is what popped up:


The Gospel of Thomas is a collection of traditional sayings, prophecies, proverbs, and parables of Jesus. The Coptic Gospel of Thomas was translated from the Greek; in fact, several fragments of this Greek version have been preserved, and can be dated to about 200 C.E. Thus the Greek (or even or Aramaic) collection was composed in the period before about 200 C.E., possibly as early as the second half of the first century, in Syria, Palestine, or Mesopotamia. The authorship of the Gospel of Thomas is attributed to Didymos Judas Thomas, that is, Judas "the Twin," who was an apostle of Jesus.

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The Gnostics called Thomas the Twin Brother of Jesus. Since the Gnostic movement was started about 100 years or so after the death of Christ, the oral history had obviously been distorted by then on this particular detail.

Source


If Jesus had a twin brother than why does the Bible not mention this?

hmmm! INTERSTING! surely i'll watch it!

Hello.
i just saw the Gospel of judas on NGC and it was just awesome. Judas may be not the Betrayer at all.....Just Strange.

Secrets that when revealed can change the Background of Things. Shocking.

Zeeshan

(Bella Clean up your Inbox so i can send u PMs)

Wasn't it great talking about the programme on National Geographic of course

I give this "lost Gospel of Judas" as much credit as to the "Da Vinci Schmode" and all these "lost" pieces of toilet paper.

I'm not really a Christian, not even close, but seriosuly ...this is starting to piss me off already.

The so called "lost Gospel of Judas", was written by GNOSTICS, and that has been said on a long and boring as hell documentary that Discovery passed last night.

Is it asking too much to leave the poor guy Jesus alone? Seriosuly... if ppl wanna beleive they will go to Heaven for following Jesus, than let them.. who the hell cares ? Its not like EVERYONE is forced to believe it.

Anyone care to defame Buddah for a change ??? lol... or Moahmaed?? ohh ..that right not that one...cause it casuses riotts ..

I am not a christian either but I enjoyed this programme...very much so :yes:It said that Jesus did not wish for people to build temples of worship ect...and look at us now....so building a church to worship is wrong according to this ...If Jesus did not wish for this (and I tend to believe it for my own reasons)..well why did people go ahead and do it anyway???

I missed the show. Does anyone know when it will be back on?? I might have to check with the channel online but just in case does anyone know???? Please and ty

hmmm... because to most "christians " its more important to show off with buldings and clothes than it is to do what Jesus seems to have said ? Besides doing what Jesus said is alot harder than showing off and pretend to be "holly" and "righteous".

actually, it would be far easier to do what jesus said than most admit.

but it really isn't about the words of prophets now, is it?

Check out the N Geographic site

www.nationalgeographic.com

Wouldn't it put the whole Virging Birth Myth into doubt?

TY Becky I found it

It didnt mention it...that to me is still a mystery...but I used to be skeptic that jesus was here now I have seen things on that show I never seen before


No problem Star I hope you get to see it now

It all comes down pretty much to what you are gonna believe. I think the gospel of Judas is new..and exciting. I also love seeing fundamentalist christians get all upset at the idea of it. I think that you have to give the story some consideration. I mean it could have happend. It's no more crazy then what Mormons or Catholics believe.

From what I've read so far the conservative christians are in full damage control about the GoJ, screaming about how its gnostic heresy and is full of lies, and is another liberal attack on christianity.

Yes Liberals have been planning this attack on Chrisitanity for about 18 centuries

if Jesus had a twin brotehr, how exactly would that put a whole on the virgin birth thing ??

oh ... I see .. it was the twin that went ot France with Magdaleine???

If you found the Gospel of Judas interesting and are curious what the Gnostic view of the Virgin Birth is I can tell you that some Gnostics(can't speak for all sects) believe that he was conceived the usual way....

The Gospel of Philip

Philip the apostle said, "Joseph the carpenter planted a garden because he needed wood for his trade. It was he who made the cross from the trees which he planted. His own offspring hung on that which he planted. His offspring was Jesus, and the planting was the cross." But the Tree of Life is in the middle of the Garden.

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Some said, "Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit." They are in error. They do not know what they are saying. When did a woman ever conceive by a woman?

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Might be a little confusing but I can "translate" it for you. Or you can stop reading right here

The story about Joseph is kind of tricky. The last sentence shows that the garden Jospeh planted was the Garden of Eden. But Joseph didn't plant the garden of Eden, the Demiurge(creator of the material world) did. Also the word Demiurge translates to craftsman and Jospeh was a carpenter, a craftman of sorts.

So now we know this should be interpretted as Jesus the man, the physical being, was the offspring of Joseph/Matter(the Demiurge). But his spiritual being, like ours, has a true Father.

Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother as I do cannot become a disciple to me. And whoever does not love his father and his mother as I do cannot become a disciple to me. For my mother gave me falsehood but my true mother gave me life."

Sounds harsh I know but it shouldn't be taken literally because how did Jesus hate his material father and mother? With kindness. but he also recognized his "true mother" and of course his Father.

As for the Mary quote, it is easier to understand. Gnostics viewed the Holy Spirit as a female principle making it impossible for Jesus to be conceived by two mothers.

All I know is Mary was his mother and she was concieved without sin...thats it...

He was an apostle. But he did betray Jesus and hang himself. THe fact taht he was remorseful may imply that he didn't want to betray Jesus, that Jesus asked him to do it. As a Faithful follower, Judas agreed, but couldn't cope with the consequences (he arguably didn't understand that Jesus was dying for humanity or that he would be resurrected). It would also explain without supernatural reasoning why Jesus knew he would be betrayed, or why Judas still carried out his betrayal, even knowing that Jesus knew.

Interesting concept. Very much so.

oh. It still discusses the details of Judas Iscariot's betrayal though, does it not? I haven't really read up on it to tell the truth, but that's what I've thought it was about.

I don't have pay-TV

The Gosepl of Thomas(The Gospel of Judas, the Twin of Jesus) is a Gnostic text, more precisely a Naasseni text which contains 114 saying of Jesus, mostly parables. It's a very interesting text which contains much wisdom. Some parables are pretty difficult to understand but as the first saying goes....

(1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death."

... it's not meant to be easy.

I prefer the Thomas Lambdin translation. Here's a link....

Link

Give it a read, see what you think. If you want some insight into any of them, I'd be more than happy to discuss it.

Just keep in mind not to take them literally or the message will be lost....

(16) Jesus said, "Men think, perhaps, that it is peace which I have come to cast upon the world. They do not know that it is dissension which I have come to cast upon the earth: fire, sword, and war. For there will be five in a house: three will be against two, and two against three, the father against the son, and the son against the father. And they will stand solitary."

(55) Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother cannot become a disciple to me. And whoever does not hate his brothers and sisters and take up his cross in my way will not be worthy of me."

Or that he acted upon an impulse, and regretted it later.

neither do I ....I have sky tv satellite is much better than cable