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Isis2200
QUOTE(crystal sage @ May 15 2007, 08:49 AM) [snapback]1675951[/snapback]
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...s+He+Right%253F

http://www.newsforthesoul.com/icke.htm
I do love my Cable TV though!!! tongue.gif

Are we being hypnotised???

We are in a way conditioned from birth... it's called socializing.. fitting in.... being told what is real and what is not... how we are to percieve and experience this world.... what we are told to believe.. or what we are to focus on as our reality/.// is also what their parents told our parents how things are to be....

Yet ... have you noticed that with the advent of television... technology... the imaginable is becoming tomorrows reality!!!! Who knows... Our grandchildren may yet have aliens as playmates...live on the moon...etc...

Things are changing.... and changing fast!!! LOL... maybe finally too fast for the Men in Black to catch up with everything!!! wink2.gif Somethings going to get out eventually... some irrefutable proof... and then....the governments are going to finally shamefacedly going to admit to many coverups.... and go into politcal rehab programs... and all will be forgiven... and life will go on!!!!



Hi Crystal :-)

I think I may have missed one of your previous posts on this thread, but are you an Icke supporter, as I am?

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REBEL
QUOTE(chemical-licker @ May 29 2007, 04:50 AM) [snapback]1697907[/snapback]
it all an illusion controlled by this linked-image


I hear ya CL...just like in (click) >>> linked-image
crystal sage
QUOTE(REBEL @ May, 08:39 AM) [snapback]1698104[/snapback]
I hear ya CL...just like in (click) >>> linked-image


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The lead can play Icke in a movie of his life!!!!

Do you mean this...????

http://www.brojon.org/frontpage/bj040501.html

http://educate-yourself.org/mc/mctotalcontrol12jul02.shtml

http://nesara.insights2.org/Monarch.html
REBEL
QUOTE(crystal sage @ May 29 2007, 12:34 PM) [snapback]1698385[/snapback]


Cool links crystal.

Mind control(click)>>> linked-image

crystal sage
Interesting article here.....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8636
NWDissorder
QUOTE (The Doctor @ Apr 8 2006, 10:50 AM) *
Thanks for posting the video but I'm not sure if I'm gonna watch it (mainly because I really don't have enough time) but even if I do I doubt it would change my mind about him.

Also he doesn't seem to be able to make up his mind over which conspiricy is true, the world is being run by either the illuminati, bipedal lizards, or satanists depending on which one of his books you read. hmm.gif



its not that he can't make up his mind but its all the same the Reptilians or Bloodlines have the power and the wool over our eyes they are running the secret societies, this is how the agenda gets carried out, its a pyramid as you get lower and lower on the pyramid the people involved know less and less about what they are really doing (they don't know what the big picture is) they just take the steps that allow it to happen

also teh secret societies are involved in crazy rituals some very similar to satanic and pagan rituals (these people have ancient knowledge and the general populous can't even comprehend that all this is happening because its been going on for so long)

PS watch it and watch it with a clear mind, not thinking that it won't change your mind (then get back to us)
jaylemurph
QUOTE (NWDissorder @ Mar 19 2008, 02:08 PM) *
its not that he can't make up his mind but its all the same the Reptilians or Bloodlines have the power and the wool over our eyes they are running the secret societies, this is how the agenda gets carried out, its a pyramid as you get lower and lower on the pyramid the people involved know less and less about what they are really doing (they don't know what the big picture is) they just take the steps that allow it to happen

also teh secret societies are involved in crazy rituals some very similar to satanic and pagan rituals (these people have ancient knowledge and the general populous can't even comprehend that all this is happening because its been going on for so long)

PS watch it and watch it with a clear mind, not thinking that it won't change your mind (then get back to us)


Indeed, schizophrenia makes it nigh impossible to do so.

--Jaylemurph
itsnotoutthere
Nut job...end of.
badeskov
QUOTE (itsnotoutthere @ Mar 20 2008, 11:55 AM) *
Nut job...end of.


Icke, nut job?! I would certainly disagree...he found his niche from which to make money. The nut jobs are in my honest opinion the gullible ones paying him for his ramblings...

Cheers,
Badeskov
NWDissorder
everything and anything is possible (we don't have all the answers so how can anything be completely ruled out)

who are you to try and disprove him, what he says about our tangible world rings true in my mind (we are being lied to and controlled and allot of people can't or won't get their heads around that)

but I also think that some of his more out there theories are quite possible as well, if you believe in any religion you've read about some being or species not of this planet and in most cases interbreeding with humans (so why is the reptilian thing so nuts? UFO and space ships are sighted so often yet dismissed by Government)

its been a few months since I have watched any of the David Icke videos (and I have seen many hours of them) so I am not entirely sure what should be said in his defence, just be open minded

we only use a small portion of our brain so we might as well us that portion and be open to all ideas (just think if we used the entire human brain and its complete potential I bet almost everything we know as truth and real would seem pretty silly the impossible would be possible I assure you)
chemical-licker
QUOTE (itsnotoutthere @ Mar 20 2008, 06:55 PM) *
Nut job...end of.


funny because i think your nuts. grin2.gif
Lilly
QUOTE (NWDissorder @ Mar 21 2008, 05:30 PM) *
everything and anything is possible (we don't have all the answers so how can anything be completely ruled out)


Ok, but some things are so very highly improbable as to be ridiculous.

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who are you to try and disprove him, what he says about our tangible world rings true in my mind (we are being lied to and controlled and allot of people can't or won't get their heads around that)


First, the burden of proof lies firmly upon Mr. Icke to support his claims. As to who those are who try and 'disprove' him...anyone rational would be my guess.

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but I also think that some of his more out there theories are quite possible as well, if you believe in any religion you've read about some being or species not of this planet and in most cases interbreeding with humans (so why is the reptilian thing so nuts? UFO and space ships are sighted so often yet dismissed by Government)


What you think, and what you can support via evidence are two very different things.

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its been a few months since I have watched any of the David Icke videos (and I have seen many hours of them) so I am not entirely sure what should be said in his defence, just be open minded


Ok, when Mr. Icke presents me with some actual solid evidence for his claims, I'll be sure to be very open minded.

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we only use a small portion of our brain so we might as well us that portion and be open to all ideas (just think if we used the entire human brain and its complete potential I bet almost everything we know as truth and real would seem pretty silly the impossible would be possible I assure you)


No, this is fallacious, we actually use all of our brain (in various and differing capacities). As to reaching our potential, I agree with you there.
Lilly
Just to add (in an offical capacity), enough with the *nuts* comments...this kind of thing doesn't serve the discussion at hand.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (NWDissorder @ Mar 21 2008, 12:30 PM) *
everything and anything is possible (we don't have all the answers so how can anything be completely ruled out)

So the Easter Bunny & Santa is possible too?
itsnotoutthere
QUOTE (chemical-licker @ Mar 21 2008, 05:38 PM) *
funny because i think your nuts. grin2.gif



Well as they say..'you don't have to be a nut to post on this forum...but it helps' blink.gif
MID
QUOTE (badeskov @ Mar 20 2008, 10:05 PM) *
Icke, nut job?! I would certainly disagree...he found his niche from which to make money. The nut jobs are in my honest opinion the gullible ones paying him for his ramblings...

Cheers,
Badeskov



wink2.gif ...

Kind of like Sibrel, et. al...

Not nut jobs at all. They knew exactly what they were doing, and who their potential audience was. They found their niche, and they made money from it.
The gullible financed their endeavors.

As to Icke, well, it's really difficult for me to seriously entertain discussion about that one...His name says it all. Ickey!

Defined as: the consistency of the matter located beneath his skull. Tragically flaccid, and would leak out in liquid consistency were a hole drilled in the bone...

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hazzard
I heard him on C2C a couple of times, personaly I cant stand the guy. Id rather listen to the neighbours flush their toilet.
MID
QUOTE (hazzard @ Mar 23 2008, 12:28 PM) *
Id rather listen to the neighbours flush their toilet.



I think that particular sound is somewhat descriptive of the sound of what goes on in Icke's head!

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hazzard
QUOTE (MID @ Mar 23 2008, 05:33 PM) *
I think that particular sound is somewhat descriptive of the sound of what goes on in Icke's head!

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NWDissorder
I think allot of people on this site are very closed minded (call me paranoid but I am sure some of you are Government funded spammers)

Icke talks about many things some are pretty out there I will admit but he is a great speaker and presents some awesome ideas and concepts

I think this site would be so much better if people kept the name calling and negativity opinions to a minimum

frenat
QUOTE (NWDissorder @ Mar 23 2008, 02:05 PM) *
I think this site would be so much better if people kept the name calling and negativity opinions to a minimum

Such as insinuating that some are "government funded spammers"? Yes, it would be.
jaylemurph
QUOTE (NWDissorder @ Mar 23 2008, 01:05 PM) *
I think allot of people on this site are very closed minded (call me paranoid but I am sure some of you are Government funded spammers)

Icke talks about many things some are pretty out there I will admit but he is a great speaker and presents some awesome ideas and concepts

I think this site would be so much better if people kept the name calling and negativity opinions to a minimum


You're paranoid.

--Jaylemurph
MID
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Mar 23 2008, 02:45 PM) *
You're paranoid.

--Jaylemurph



Is he really, Jayle...?

I thought it was long known that I was a Level 21 GDS (Government Disinformation Specialist, sub-category NADS (Nasa Disinformation Specialist)).
I would indeed take offense to the "Spammer" part, however!

wink2.gif
NWDissorder
I don't really wanna hear about your Nads MID (thats sick lol)
MID
QUOTE (NWDissorder @ Mar 23 2008, 02:05 PM) *
I think allot of people on this site are very closed minded (call me paranoid but I am sure some of you are Government funded spammers)

Icke talks about many things some are pretty out there I will admit but he is a great speaker and presents some awesome ideas and concepts

I think this site would be so much better if people kept the name calling and negativity opinions to a minimum



On second thought, maybe Jayle is right.
You are paranoid...


Being a great speaker has never been a qualification for actually being a person of any substance whatsoever...


crystal sage
Hulda Clarke seems to have a similar zapper!!!

http://www.drclark.net/

Recognition of Dr Holt's Cancer Treatment
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/dr-holt-petition.html
http://www.mediadoctor.org.au/content/arti...ntArticleID=144




http://www.teslatech.com/beck.htm

QUOTE
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8636
Physicist Robert C. Beck on healing cancer
and Aids via blood electrification

Bob Beck is a physicist, holding a Ph.D. in physics from the University of Southern California. He also was previously a Professor at the University of California. He began his professional life as a photo-journalist and owned a photography studio in Hollywood. He is a researcher and inventor who likes to improve upon other people's inventions. His version of the Brain Tuner has been used successfully to alleviate insomnia, depression, anxiety and addictions. He is also the inventor of the strobe flash light. He has been nominated by a Mexican hospital for the Nobel Prize for his research in developing an aids cure. He believed that he would not receive the prize, which he did not, because he is not a "team player" in the organized health field. Leading Edge Newspaper publishers Kenneth and Dee Burke interviewed Bob Beck at the Global Sciences Congress in Denver, Colorado, where cutting-edge, innovative information continues to be presented year after year.
Statement of Robert C. Beck: "All statements made by me are mine, and mine alone. I am expressing this as my opinion; I am expressing it as theoretical, although we have abundant proof; I am saying this information is given for your education and informational purposes only. I cannot make any medical claims, although we have hundreds of spontaneous remissions. Everything I say is copyrighted 1997 by Robert C. Beck."

LE: Bob, tell us about your low-cost technology that allows us to cure diseases like AIDS and cancer.

Bob Beck: The system I am going to talk to you about today costs $1.32 to cure HIV, Epstein-Barre, hepatitis, herpes and even cancer. And it is one of the biggest surprises I have ever had in my life.

I have a package of Spearmint gum. It cost me $1.32 at the airport. For that amount of money, or one can of Coca-Cola, you can have a 100% cure for AIDS, cancer and all of the other known diseases to humans, including some which we have not tested like ebola. A 100% cure, and you will still be alive five years from now, while the statistics say that only 5% of cancer patients will be alive after five years. If you have what I call "immortal blood," you can live to be 110 years old, in perfect health. A woman in France just died at age 122.

You can do it yourself, and it is cheap. You will never have a cold again. You will never miss work again. This is the best investment that you can make in your health. It is taking back your power from the doctors and the pharmaceutical houses who have had it for generations. And we guarantee it. We have stacks of testimonials, hundreds of astounding spontaneous remissions, and we have medical records to prove it. It will work. Not maybe. It is the most valuable information that I have ever seen. It is the best that our science can offer today in the hospitals and clinics of America.

Recently, Jane and I were invited to the largest alternative cancer clinic in the western hemisphere. The man in charge of the clinic told me that 87% of their terminal, not mid-stage, cancer patients, who had been given up for dead, are now healed! They have scar tissue where once they had lesions; they have clean biopsies. They are up, they are back at work. Those patients used the technology we are discussing today.


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There is enough research that supports the idea that cancers can be caused by cell damage fluke or bacterial activity

that cells constantly get damaged.. yet a healthy imune system can help replace the damaged cells..



and now they have confirmed that viruses can be shattered
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http://www.aip.org/pnu/2008/split/852-2.html

Number 852 #2, January 3, 2008 by Phil Schewe

Shattering Viruses

A new study is trying to establish the intrinsic vibration modes of capsids---the protein shells of virus particles that package its genetic material---with a view toward rupturing them and thereby killing the pathogenic virus. If the capsid resonant frequencies could be determined, then possibly light or sound waves might be used to shatter the capsids the way the opera singer Enrico Caruso supposedly shattered wine glasses by sustaining a note at exactly the resonant frequency of the glass. This approach to attacking viruses is alternative to treating them with chemicals, which is not always effective; furthermore, the chemicals can do damage to healthy cells, or the viruses can mutate and defeat chemical defenses. Hence the importance of attempting to undo viruses with mechanical means.

Eric Dykeman and Otto Sankey, physicists at Arizona State University, are modeling capsid vibrations at the atomic level for comparisons with experiments being performed by K.T. Tsen at ASU in which picosecond laser pulses are scattered from capsids. The capsids, which are mostly made of complex protein assemblies, will typically absorb some of the laser light, a process which causes them to vibrate. T


so what is so wrong with Icke's reference to this idea!!! His wondering why this knowledge is not taken further???
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (NWDissorder @ Mar 23 2008, 01:05 PM) *
I think allot of people on this site are very closed minded (call me paranoid but I am sure some of you are Government funded spammers)

Icke talks about many things some are pretty out there I will admit but he is a great speaker and presents some awesome ideas and concepts

I think this site would be so much better if people kept the name calling and negativity opinions to a minimum

I am an agent. I have been asking for a raise so I can spread disinformation in a better way, but the government is so cheap.

Icke is: 1. Either insane(which I believe.)
or 2. Did it to make money.
NWDissorder
"Being a great speaker has never been a qualification for actually being a person of any substance whatsoever..."

MID this applies to you perfectly as you try to come off as educated but you end up sounding like a know it all want to be

I tried to present my oppinion on Icke in a fair manner, I do agree and believe alot of what he says could be possible and in saying that I mentioned he has some interesting ideas and is a good speaker

instead of trying to rebuke any of the theories he offers you simply say he doesn't have any substance as a person (childish name calling)

PS I would rather be paranoid and ask questions than be a mindless drone
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (NWDissorder @ Mar 24 2008, 10:24 AM) *
"Being a great speaker has never been a qualification for actually being a person of any substance whatsoever..."

MID this applies to you perfectly as you try to come off as educated but you end up sounding like a know it all want to be

I tried to present my oppinion on Icke in a fair manner, I do agree and believe alot of what he says could be possible and in saying that I mentioned he has some interesting ideas and is a good speaker

instead of trying to rebuke any of the theories he offers you simply say he doesn't have any substance as a person (childish name calling)

PS I would rather be paranoid and ask questions than be a mindless drone

Well, I guess I would rather be a mindless drone with a great life, then paranoid all the time. Have fun.
jaylemurph
QUOTE (MID @ Mar 23 2008, 06:34 PM) *
Is he really, Jayle...?

I thought it was long known that I was a Level 21 GDS (Government Disinformation Specialist, sub-category NADS (Nasa Disinformation Specialist)).
I would indeed take offense to the "Spammer" part, however!

wink2.gif


Hey, I was just doing what he told me to do!

QUOTE (NWDissorder @ Mar 24 2008, 10:24 AM) *
"Being a great speaker has never been a qualification for actually being a person of any substance whatsoever..."


I take it your un-named speaker never actually learned much about Rome.

--Jaylemurph
MID
QUOTE (NWDissorder @ Mar 24 2008, 11:24 AM) *
QUOTE
"Being a great speaker has never been a qualification for actually being a person of any substance whatsoever..."


MID this applies to you perfectly as you try to come off as educated but you end up sounding like a know it all want to be

I tried to present my oppinion on Icke in a fair manner, I do agree and believe alot of what he says could be possible and in saying that I mentioned he has some interesting ideas and is a good speakerinstead of trying to rebuke any of the theories he offers you simply say he doesn't have any substance as a person (childish name calling)



I shall assume you haven't read the complete rebuking of Icke's maniacal UFO/ Alien ideas and several other things on this board...so I shall be gentle with you.



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PS I would rather be paranoid and ask questions than be a mindless drone


Being paranoid is in many cases, being mindless. You don't have to be paranoid to ask questions.
You should explore a little however. Certain things, like re-hashing an Icke rebuke, is boring. It's already been done to death.
Lilly
QUOTE (MID @ Mar 24 2008, 12:34 AM) *
I thought it was long known that I was a Level 21 GDS (Government Disinformation Specialist, sub-category NADS (Nasa Disinformation Specialist)).
I would indeed take offense to the "Spammer" part, however!



For sure, MID's no spammer...he's most definitely one of them there 'NASA Disinformation Specialists'...if you believe this then I have a nice bridge I'd be willing to sell you! wink2.gif

Please, regarding the Apollo Program there are simply no more knowledgable folks on the internet beyond MID (here on UM) and JayUtah (on Apollo Hoax). If you want to know actual scientific facts about Apollo then ask your questions...if you've already made up your mind, then there's really nothing more that can be said anyway.
MID
QUOTE (Lilly @ Mar 25 2008, 07:48 AM) *
For sure, MID's no spammer...he's most definitely one of them there 'NASA Disinformation Specialists'...if you believe this then I have a nice bridge I'd be willing to sell you! wink2.gif

Please, regarding the Apollo Program there are simply no more knowledgable folks on the internet beyond MID (here on UM) and JayUtah (on Apollo Hoax). If you want to know actual scientific facts about Apollo then ask your questions...if you've already made up your mind, then there's really nothing more that can be said anyway.




Awww...yer too sweet, Lil!

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bee
QUOTE (NWDissorder @ Mar 23 2008, 06:05 PM) *
I think allot of people on this site are very closed minded (call me paranoid but I am sure some of you are Government funded spammers)



You are NOT paranoid....only the naive or guilty would pretend that this 'steering' and 'ridiculing'
does not go on in forums all over the internet.

The trick is to spot the out and out die-hard sceptic from the 'manipulators'......but nothing can be done
about them....

The more of the 'character assassination treatment' that David Icke gets......the more chance there is that he is
saying something that......'someone' doesn't want us to hear..... wink2.gif cool.gif

In my opinion.


jaylemurph
QUOTE (bee @ Mar 26 2008, 06:18 PM) *
You are NOT paranoid....only the naive or guilty would pretend that this 'steering' and 'ridiculing'
does not go on in forums all over the internet.

The trick is to spot the out and out die-hard sceptic from the 'manipulators'......but nothing can be done
about them....

The more of the 'character assassination treatment' that David Icke gets......the more chance there is that he is
saying something that......'someone' doesn't want us to hear..... wink2.gif cool.gif

In my opinion.


bee, David Icke dpes more and better character assassination to himself than any of his detractors could ever hope to.

--Jaylemurph
MID
QUOTE (bee @ Mar 26 2008, 07:18 PM) *
The more of the 'character assassination treatment' that David Icke gets......the more chance there is that he is
saying something that......'someone' doesn't want us to hear..... wink2.gif cool.gif

In my opinion.



Your opinion is certainly...yours.
However, any character assassination that Icke gets is essentially self-induced.

I would agree with you, however:

There's a good chance that what David Icke says doesn't want to be heard....by rational people with a critical and empirical mind that realizes when someone has slipped over the edge...
bee
QUOTE (MID @ Mar 27 2008, 07:20 PM) *
There's a good chance that what David Icke says doesn't want to be heard....by rational people with a critical and empirical mind that realizes when someone has slipped over the edge...



Why on earth....would you bother to post in this thread....if you hold such low opinions of
the person being discussed....if you think David Icke is so unimportant.....
how rational, critical and empirically minded is that?

And if you DO think that he's 'slipped over the edge'.....I take this to mean that you think he
has mental health problems.....then is it rational or reasonable to call him names in the way that
you did.....if you think he's ill....that wasn't very nice..... no.gif


jaylemurph
QUOTE (bee @ Mar 27 2008, 04:10 PM) *
Why on earth....would you bother to post in this thread....if you hold such low opinions of
the person being discussed....if you think David Icke is so unimportant.....
how rational, critical and empirically minded is that?

And if you DO think that he's 'slipped over the edge'.....I take this to mean that you think he
has mental health problems.....then is it rational or reasonable to call him names in the way that
you did.....if you think he's ill....that wasn't very nice..... no.gif


So if we don't hold the same opinion as you, there's no point in posting? I see how it is...

For what's it worth, I think it'd be a cheap shot, if Icke were mentally unbalanced, to use names. However, I just think he's a crook and scam artist, so names like *those* are appropriate.

--Jaylemurph
bee
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Mar 27 2008, 09:48 PM) *
So if we don't hold the same opinion as you, there's no point in posting? I see how it is...


I don't think you know my opinion on Icke?

QUOTE
For what's it worth, I think it'd be a cheap shot, if Icke were mentally unbalanced, to use names. However, I just think he's a crook and scam artist, so names like *those* are appropriate.


Well there's a surprise! happy.gif

What is so glaringly peculiar...is why would obviously intelligent (I might even go as far as saying
highly intelligent) people spend so much of their time on this forum......making 'cheap shots' and indulging in
repetative 'put downs'...using the same formula over and over again....it must be very boring for you...???

I would have thought that more creative posting would come from such people.

And there is the heart of the matter..... rofl.gif
jaylemurph
QUOTE (bee @ Mar 27 2008, 05:21 PM) *
I don't think you know my opinion on Icke?



Well there's a surprise! happy.gif

What is so glaringly peculiar...is why would obviously intelligent (I might even go as far as saying
highly intelligent) people spend so much of their time on this forum......making 'cheap shots' and indulging in
repetative 'put downs'...
using the same formula over and over again....it must be very boring for you...???

I would have thought that more creative posting would come from such people.

And there is the heart of the matter..... rofl.gif


I suppose I could ask around why starry-eyed believers waste their time repeating the same ignorant lies, especially when they seem to actively avoid ever learning any real facts. I'd think you'd be bored, toeing the same sap line and losing your money to any charlatan who can type "Mu" or "Nibiru".

See, this doesn't get anyone anywhere, does it? You might as well complain the sky is a poorly-chosen blue...

--Jaylemurph
bee
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Mar 28 2008, 02:36 AM) *
See, this doesn't get anyone anywhere, does it? --Jaylemurph


Not really.....but I think I've made my point.....you lot can't have it ALL your own way ALL
of the time........ tongue.gif

Now.....David Icke.....I'm not familiar with the details of what he has to say.....but the
battering he got here set the alarm bells ringing....A friend lent me a book of his
a while back.....I hadn't really looked at it properly until last night....it's 'Infinite Love is the
Only Truth, Everything Else is Illusion'.......

I've flicked through....and all I can say.....is.....IF there is truth in what he says....or any
part of it......I can see why you all had to pile in....a picture of Daleks screaming...
exterminate, exterminate........just popped into my head... wink2.gif


jaylemurph
QUOTE (bee @ Mar 28 2008, 05:49 AM) *
Not really.....but I think I've made my point.....you lot can't have it ALL your own way ALL
of the time........ tongue.gif

Now.....David Icke.....I'm not familiar with the details of what he has to say.....but the
battering he got here set the alarm bells ringing....A friend lent me a book of his
a while back.....I hadn't really looked at it properly until last night....it's 'Infinite Love is the
Only Truth, Everything Else is Illusion'.......

I've flicked through....and all I can say.....is.....IF there is truth in what he says....or any
part of it......I can see why you all had to pile in....a picture of Daleks screaming...
exterminate, exterminate........just popped into my head... wink2.gif


The short of it is that the Jews are actually reptile people from another planet that want to take over the world. Or already have. And they control the weather. Or don't. And can be defeated with love. Or not. And that they are going to destroy the world, turn Saturn (or Jupiter) into a new star and live on Europa. Or Titan. Or that they're going to use corporations to take over this world and kill us all and live in an artificially-induced Eden. Or they're going to turn us all into slaves for their factories.

He changes his books around enough that you always need the next one to know exactly what The Truth, but the one thing you can be sure of is that Icke knows for sure what's going on.

--Jaylemurph
chemical-licker
david icke for sure has some kind of spirit talking to him, what that spirit is he wont reveal, would we believe him anyway?
badeskov
QUOTE (chemical-licker @ Mar 28 2008, 10:40 AM) *
david icke for sure has some kind of spirit talking to him, what that spirit is he wont reveal, would we believe him anyway?


Uhm, the spirit of $$$ wink2.gif

Cheers,
Badeskov
MID
QUOTE (bee @ Mar 27 2008, 05:10 PM) *
Why on earth....would you bother to post in this thread....if you hold such low opinions of
the person being discussed....if you think David Icke is so unimportant.....
how rational, critical and empirically minded is that?


huh.gif
It's possible that you might want to think that one through again...

We are replying to David Icke. I think you simply don't want to hear anything negative about him. However, the opinions about him on the negative side are probably (hopefully) more prevalent than positive ones. One would logically expect all of those opinions, positive and negative, to be posted here, rather naturally.

How rational, critical, and empirical is the asessement that Icke is irrelevant, and unimportant?

If I have to answer that, you don't understand rational, critical thinking at all.

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And if you DO think that he's 'slipped over the edge'.....I take this to mean that you think he
has mental health problems.....then is it rational or reasonable to call him names in the way that
you did.....if you think he's ill....that wasn't very nice..... no.gif


Take it to mean that he long ago slipped over the edge of reasonability (in fact, I'm not sure his positions were ever reasonable...). I made no inference as to his mental state. I also called him no names, so where you come up with that is unknown...

My point is not to be nice to David Icke. Nor is it to be nasty. It is to state an opinion which is easy to arrive at.

Frankly, I don't think he's nuts at all. I think he, in like manner to others of his ilk, knows exactly what he's doing. He knows his audience, and he addresses them exclusively. He also knows full well that his positions could never pass muster with people of rational, critical thinking skills...and that of course is not his audience. He's in it for what Bady postulates (q.v. above).

He is exactly like the Moon Hoax people who have addressed similar audiences (i.e., Sibrel, Kaysing, Rene, Percy, et. al.). They all knew exactly what they were doing, and exactly who they were attempting to reach. They also have the same motive, and have variously been successful. I don't think any of them are nuts, per-se (although I do have the sneaking supicion that Kaysing may have had a bit of a problem upstairs...but that may have just been part of his act, and Rene I think does have a problem with the bottle).

My opinion of all of them is negative...because they use their craftiness to fabricate idiocies which their intended audiences do not have the knowledge to do anything with but accept.






TwilightSilver
I had completely forgotten about starting this topic! grin2.gif I guess in my absence, I forgot about a lot of them. Now I have to backtrack....

Oh, and MID, I'm surprised you had mentioned a referance about the "Moon Hoax People", because I was thinking the same thing reading through some earlier replies. happy.gif

Edit: Spelling errors. Damn new keyboard....
Lilly
QUOTE (MID @ Mar 29 2008, 06:51 PM) *
How rational, critical, and empirical is the asessement that Icke is irrelevant, and unimportant?

If I have to answer that, you don't understand rational, critical thinking at all.


The thing is that many simply don't understand the value, or need for rational/critical thinking. In the case of Mr. Icke's ideas this may seem trivial, but apply this same reasoning (or more correctly, lack of reasoning) to other situations and you may get disasterious/dangerous results.

Bee, I would ask you to think about this for a bit: Is all evidence of equal merit? Just because someone says something, and it appears to make a bit sense on the surface, does that mean it's really valid evidence? Are there standards for saying that something is actually valid...or can one just say anything is valid because they believe it to be so? Careful consideration of these questions should lead you to another conclusion regarding Mr. Icke's ideas.

MID
QUOTE (TwilightSilver @ Mar 31 2008, 07:39 AM) *
Oh, and MID, I'm surprised you had mentioned a referance about the "Moon Hoax People", because I was thinking the same thing reading through some earlier replies. happy.gif


It's essentially the same paradigm between Icke and those folks....
Lilly
QUOTE (MID @ Mar 31 2008, 11:22 PM) *
It's essentially the same paradigm between Icke and those folks....


Yes, I see this as well. yes.gif
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