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Gwyny
Why is it that so many christians go to church on sunday and honor that day as the holy day and not saturday? The sabbath is on Saturday, So that is what day i go to church...because that is what the bible tells me...
Paranoid Android
Church on Sunday has roots in pagan festivals. However, I attend church for fellowship. It has nothing to do with adhering to the Sabbath. The Sabbath is on Saturday (traditionally), yet I believe that particular Law has been fulfiled. We no longer need to set aside Saturday as the Day of Rest. Everyday is set aside for the Lord, culminating ultimately in the Sabbath Rest in heaven, cf Hebrews 4..

Why did you start a new topic on this, Gwyny? Your husband made a thread about it just recently.....

Regards, PA
novaceleste
Honestly, I don't know why people go to church at all. I have been to many different churches and all I see is a social gathering. I don't see people actually being spiritual. Yeah, praying would be spiritual, but I don't want someone telling me what to believe in or how to live my life. I walk my own path. I am a solitary witch and I have never felt more connected with the universe and the world around me. wink2.gif
Oderint
I thought it depends on what you think of as the first day?
Some cultures say that Sunday is the first day of the week, which makes Saturday the 7th day (day of rest etc.)
While others (western?) say that Monday is the first day - meaning Sunday is the 7th.

I could be very wrong tho original.gif
Gwyny
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 9 2006, 10:22 AM) [snapback]1140099[/snapback]

Church on Sunday has roots in pagan festivals. However, I attend church for fellowship. It has nothing to do with adhering to the Sabbath. The Sabbath is on Saturday (traditionally), yet I believe that particular Law has been fulfiled. We no longer need to set aside Saturday as the Day of Rest. Everyday is set aside for the Lord, culminating ultimately in the Sabbath Rest in heaven, cf Hebrews 4..

Why did you start a new topic on this, Gwyny? Your husband made a thread about it just recently.....

Regards, PA


The church has no powers to do away with the sabbath. It's been decreed that until heaven and earth pass away not one jot or tittle shall be removed from the law.

I didnt know he made one...yeah well shows how much i know...lol
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(Prawus @ Apr 10 2006, 01:25 AM) [snapback]1140107[/snapback]

I thought it depends on what you think of as the first day?
Some cultures say that Sunday is the first day of the week, which makes Saturday the 7th day (day of rest etc.)
While others (western?) say that Monday is the first day - meaning Sunday is the 7th.

I could be very wrong tho original.gif
Since the Sabbath is a biblical concept, centred around the Jewish Faith, I think the seventh day should be worked out according to the Jewish calendar (which is Saturday). Though i think Western society also sees Sunday as the first day of the week. Look at any wall calendar you choose. Sunday is the first day mentioned, always. Saturday, the last.....

Just a thought.

Regards, PA
Bella-Angelique
I think a really big reason to begin with was because they could not read. Now many can read but they are clueless as to what anything they read means. Maybe as literacy increases more and more the church will become a house of prayer and meetings for projects more than a place where people sit to be read to.
novaceleste
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 9 2006, 10:22 AM) [snapback]1140099[/snapback]

Church on Sunday has roots in pagan festivals. However, I attend church for fellowship. It has nothing to do with adhering to the Sabbath. The Sabbath is on Saturday (traditionally), yet I believe that particular Law has been fulfiled. We no longer need to set aside Saturday as the Day of Rest. Everyday is set aside for the Lord, culminating ultimately in the Sabbath Rest in heaven, cf Hebrews 4..

Why did you start a new topic on this, Gwyny? Your husband made a thread about it just recently.....

Regards, PA

There are MANY Pagan roots in Christianity!!! Don't believe me? Check this link...

http://paganwiccan.about.com/library/weekl...503holidays.htm
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(Gwyny @ Apr 10 2006, 01:26 AM) [snapback]1140109[/snapback]

The church has no powers to do away with the sabbath. It's been decreed that until heaven and earth pass away not one jot or tittle shall be removed from the law.
No one said anything about the church doing away with Saturday worship. Seriously Gwyny, read HEbrews 4. Hell, I'll even link it for you - Hebrews 4.

Read it, study it. Learn the true meaning of the Seventh Day Sabbath Rest. It hasn't been done away with. It's been fulfilled.

Regards, PA
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(novaceleste @ Apr 10 2006, 01:29 AM) [snapback]1140114[/snapback]

There are MANY Pagan roots in Christianity!!! Don't believe me? Check this link...

http://paganwiccan.about.com/library/weekl...503holidays.htm
I know. The rituals and festivals of Pagan Christianity are useless in having a relationship with the divine. Know what I mean.

Regards, PA
Bluefinger
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 9 2006, 10:31 AM) [snapback]1140118[/snapback]

No one said anything about the church doing away with Saturday worship. Seriously Gwyny, read HEbrews 4. Hell, I'll even link it for you - Hebrews 4.

Read it, study it. Learn the true meaning of the Seventh Day Sabbath Rest. It hasn't been done away with. It's been fulfilled.

Regards, PA


I understand how many think that in it being fulfilled, that it was no longer neccessary to keep. But in fact it is. Until heaven and earth pass away, it still stands. And the fact that ALOT of churches don't encourage saturday sabbath worship and observance is alarming. If we fail to recognize that the ten commandments still stand, regardless of if we find our rest in Jesus, then we are obviously being misled.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. There are TWO conditions to this message. It is saying both, 'Till heaven and earth pass away,' and 'till all be fulfilled.' Thus the truth is that all is not fulfilled until heaven and earth pass away and the new heavens and earth come. This is very clear. That isn't symbolic. When Jesus comes, he'll gather his elect, pass judgement on the inhabitants of earth, take us up to heaven for 1,000 years, and then return to judge the wicked and burn the old earth and heaven. Its depicted clearly in Revelation. Now if this be in question, here are some thoughts to ponder: If Satan is left on earth and is allowed to decieve its inhabitants, then the law still applies.

If all the enemies of God are slain at Christ's second coming while the followers of God are taken up to meet Jesus in the sky, then who left does the fallen angel Satan have to decieve? Thus he is bound for 1,000 years, for none is alive to decieve.

So thus, if Satan is not destroyed when Christ returns, then obviously he is left on earth, thus we will be in heaven.


Thus if Satan is allowed to continue, then the law still applies, for the new earth and heaven DO NOT precede the great judgement day and thus the law still stands. If man can be judged, then there must be a law to judge him by, right? God bless
science101
QUOTE(novaceleste @ Apr 9 2006, 03:24 PM) [snapback]1140104[/snapback]

Honestly, I don't know why people go to church at all. I have been to many different churches and all I see is a social gathering. I don't see people actually being spiritual. Yeah, praying would be spiritual, but I don't want someone telling me what to believe in or how to live my life. I walk my own path. I am a solitary witch and I have never felt more connected with the universe and the world around me. wink2.gif


You never been to an Episcopalian or Baptist church then!


Paranoid Android
SO blue, do you eat pork? Prawns (sorry, Shrimp in the U.S)?

Do you keep the Feast of Tabernacles, Feast of Atonement, Unleavened Bread, Trumpets, Passover - any of the other High Holy Days?

Do you sacrifice animal's to atone for your sins?

Do you tithe 10% to the Levite's?

These are all a part of the Law. But we don't have to do these things, right!

Regards, PA
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 9 2006, 07:43 PM) [snapback]1140796[/snapback]

SO blue, do you eat pork? Prawns (sorry, Shrimp in the U.S)?

Do you keep the Feast of Tabernacles, Feast of Atonement, Unleavened Bread, Trumpets, Passover - any of the other High Holy Days?

Do you sacrifice animal's to atone for your sins?

Do you tithe 10% to the Levite's?

These are all a part of the Law. But we don't have to do these things, right!

Regards, PA

Wow hold the door thumbsup.gif Pa would you please tell me more on the sacraficing of animals to atone for your sins????// blink.gif
CongressmanReality
Church should be on Saturday morning during football season...and moved to whenever is most convenient for the rest of the year...
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Apr 10 2006, 01:07 PM) [snapback]1140819[/snapback]

Wow hold the door thumbsup.gif Pa would you please tell me more on the sacraficing of animals to atone for your sins????// blink.gif
It is the CHristian belief that we all sin, and that the punishment for sin is death. In the Old Testament, a sacrificial system was in place, whereby people would atone for their sins by offering animal's as sacrifice's to God in their place. Unbeknownst to them, but beknownst to us, this was only a pale imitation, a foresight into their future, for when the true sacrifice would come, once for all. Jesus was that sacrifice. Repeatedly Jesus refer's to himself as the good shepherd, but interestingly also as the Sacrificial Lamb. The Lamb that takes away the sin of the world.

Indeed, the original sacrifice of animal's for sin was an un-needed Law. God repeatedly says that He doesn't care about what they do, the offerings they give, but the state of their heart while worshipping. All the sacrifices in the world mean nothing if it's not heartfelt. Like today, God doesn't care about us going to church, having Holy Communion, saying the Lord's prayer, etc. He cares about our heart's. People giving only lip-service to GOd should take note: GOd sees the heart. Doing ritual's, chanting is useless in builign relationship with God.

Sorry, I'm straying from your question. Animal sacrifice's were useless (are useless), but they formed a part of the Old Covenant as a forebearance to the true sacrifice (Jesus)

That's my opinion at least

Regards, PA
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Gwyny @ Apr 9 2006, 04:18 PM) [snapback]1140094[/snapback]

Why is it that so many christians go to church on sunday and honor that day as the holy day and not saturday? The sabbath is on Saturday, So that is what day i go to church...because that is what the bible tells me...

But a lot of christian dont bother with church...they believe that they have accepted christ and they love and pray to god and read their bibles...everyone has their own ideas

Catholics held church on a Saturday too..I used to go to church on a Saturday when I was a kid...I believed it was the right day to go...but again like I said..everyone will think differently
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