Books don't guide me bella Life does........through the living of mine......the point is the bible 'book' is a journaling of what people thought at the time what they understood gid was pointing that out to me by the way answering my inquirys....

True, I doubt that you ever would. However all of this generic Christian bashing creates that exact same kind of mindset in others. When people dehumanize others and call them evil those are the actions they contribute to.

Bashing the moderates only gives more power to the fundementalists, the ones in every religion and ideology that cause havoc.
It is the same with people saying that all Moslims are alike.

They are not helping with the real problems created by fundementalism, they are only making things worse.

Arianism
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This article is about theological views like those of Arius. Aryan is an unrelated ethnic concept.
Arians may also refer to Polish brethren.

Arianism was a Christological view held by followers of Arius, a Christian priest who lived and taught in Alexandria, Egypt, in the early 4th century. Arius taught that God the Father and the Son were not co-eternal, seeing the pre-incarnate Jesus as a divine being but nonetheless created by (and consequently inferior to) the Father at some point, before which the Son did not exist. In English-language works, it is sometimes said that Arians believe that Jesus is or was a "creature;" in this context, the word is being used in its original sense of "created being."


Because most contemporary written material on Arianism was written by its opponents, the nature of Arius' teachings are difficult to define precisely today. The letter of Auxentius[1], a 4th century Arian bishop of Milan, regarding the missionary Ulfilas, gives the clearest picture of Arian beliefs on the nature of the Trinity: God the Father ("unbegotten"), always existing, was separate from the lesser Jesus Christ ("only-begotten"), born before time began and creator of the world. The Father, working through the Son, created the Holy Spirit, who was subservient to the Son as the Son was to the Father. The Father was seen as "the only true God." I Corinthians 8:5-6 was cited as proof text:

"Indeed, even though there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth — as in fact there are many gods and many lords — yet for us there is one God (theos), the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord (kyrios), Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist." (NRSV)

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We generate hatred by being a part of doctrines that sponsor hatred. A beleif structure creates our behaviors, when you say christian you say you support the beleifs that they stand for unless you clarify....the problem with the bible isn't that it isn't understood or followed the problem is that its taken literal..Its not a secret that the bible discriminates agianst others and has hurt others very deeply..do you see what I'm saying then when another stands up for equality you were mean gosh Bella gid wants to end the hatred and taking a stand is how he is doing that........i read all your posts Bella you take a strong stance in support of christianity we go off of what you say...

As for the bible being useful as a tool i suppose it would depend on how you define useful, is it useful to be intolerant, discriminate, kill, scare terroize others place conditions on love well to some possibly to me no I feel its not any differnt then putting meat and dairy in my body in the long run it will only cause me harm...but you have the right also to beleive what you choose too bella....Religon is a choice lets not forget......we don't 'need it.....

I saw on another post where you recommended a book on child care. You do read and use books.

Gideon asked why Christians were not responding to his post and he did not like my answer which was truthful. He is good about dishing out his opinion on Christians but did not care for one of their opinions on him, and that opinion was nessesary to answer his question because that opinion was the answer.

Since you are not a Christian his question was not meant for you and had no connection with any inquiries you asked. Why are you implying it did? Did you really miss his question even after I had it in quotes?

Well, I will sum it up quickly. The topic title includes the phase on the blue board "Why no one wants to be a Christian." Then in a post he asked why no Christian had respoonded in his thread. So I told him why. If you change the word Christian out for the word black or gay it is easily seen as hate.
Of course that is why no Christian responded.
Would a black person want to respond to "Why no person wants to be Black" or a gau person respond to "Why no person wants to be Gay"
It is perfectly clear it is a hate post. So I told him the truth.

Bella he was asking why we wouldn't choose christainity it applys to anyone who wants to contribute.....
many read books , i don't allow them to define me , i do that by living my life....Come on bella lets not split hairs okay..........

No. Those who take the bible literally are called FUNDEMENTALISTS.
I have never supported Fundementalism in my life or in any of my posts. (The file keeper of others posts can verify this if the mood hits him.)

No one has even remotely acknowledged they pay attention to me rather than their own predjudices against Christians as nine times out of ten their repsones and replies have no connection with Arianism at all, the major example being that I do not worship Jesus as God and yet they constantly reply to me as if I do.


The Arians and the Gnostics were excluded from mainstream Christianity long before the Reformation, and yet they are thrown into the same mix on this board as modern Evangelical Protestants.
That makes about as much sense as acting as if Jews and Moslims are all just alike, since they both believe that Abraham was a real person who once existed.

There is no way to twist or pretend that this question was not addressed to Christians and was actually addressed to non-Christians. There is not even enough wiggle room to split hairs or split anything else over it. Here clearly wanted a response from a Christian and he did not like my answer.

I do not have a book that dictates my every belief and action either. No one does except for Fundementalists. That is what being a Fundementalist means.I really do not expect there to be any rethinking or differentiation done though. I have posted this enough already before.

bella It does seem at times you percieve insults especially towards christians your post above illustrates that....Bella until just now i got the impression you are christian are you using the bible?????I want to clear up any misunderstandings that may have come to be.
Bella you are not ignored i just read a post yesterday of someone saying great psot and I my self have said things to you many times, i have seen Zandore talk with you on a daily basis, the situation today we are trying to understand each other.....Bella you are a valued contributor and i read your posts, they are interesting.....We aren't trying to shun you ......

THe rules are "Read it in context"

Nope, the rules are as I stated. The Crucifiction is a symbol of the initiation of what your soul must go through. Jesus never lived, never died and never resurrected. If he really lived, he taught that the Torah and its laws are not to be broken, including the kosher food rules. He taught that John the Baptist was the reincarnation of the Prophet Elijah. Unlike you and most Christians I know, I had the opportunity to read the n.t. without any training or forthought. If Jesus says John was Elijah, that is what he meant. If he says the law was not to be broken, then no Christian in the world, including "Paul", can teach otherwise. He says he is not God, but you worship him opnly because someone said so. the rules stand. there was no earthquake, simoultaneous to an eclips, in the "first century" or someone else would have noticed it while running from the walking zombies attacking the city of jerusalem. If you follow the spiritual teachings of the gospels, you arrive at a different meaning than the letters of paul, which totally contradict them. context is context. I understand the whole thing very well.

You really don't know me, do you? I grew up learning Old Testament philosophy - as I've said, my parent's Faith revolved largely around OT Laws.

WHen I started reading the New Testament, it had nothing to with any "church" organization. I respect your opinion, Gideon, but it is only your opinion, and no matter how much you try to argue your case, your interpretation is only one potential interpretation. I'm not saying your wrong, but like me, you cannot claim to be absolutely right and everyone else is wrong, if you take my meaning.

Regards, PA

I thought you didnt take up faith untill you where around the age of 15/16..is this not true?

I was 19. My parent's follow an obscure Biblical Faith where they take much of the Old Testament Laws. It's very much a Works based doctrine they preach.

My parent's never forced me to church or to believe them, and so it was that I grew up an agnostic (or maybe a Deist, I just never called myself that).

Regardless, because my paren'ts don't believe in the bastardization known today as "Easter" and "Christmas", I never really heard anything about this Jesus bloke until I was in High School. I didn't believe in any religion at that point, and it was only when I picked up the New Testament at the end of High School, that what I knew of the Old Testament fit into place, and I finally felt I understood its writings.

So yeah, I hope that clears it up a little

Regards, PA

I understood religion at the age of 6...I was 15 when I knocked it on the head and followed God my way..I dont think I would ever give up my faith in God/Jesus

I agree BM. Though there's a difference between religious organizations and Faith. I'm sure you understand that.

Ok sorry don't want to sound ignorant but what is the N.T. that gideon mage keeps referring to, maybe I just missed it and they already said but could someone tell me please.

i think it means new testament

Oh, I must be blind that makes perfect sense thank you

I agree..and I believe that if you love and follow God/Jesus in any form..God will understand you and still love you..and proof..well proof of God is something I dont need..all I know is he is all around us

I like that statement BM I too am a faithful follower of Jesus but I like to believe he hears me anywhere at anytime. I can never have a bad day he always makes me feel better. So who cares about thousand year old typos the faith is real and makes me a happier person.

wow, everyone's agreeing with each other. It seems almost civil around here

Yea but dont jinx it LOL


If your faith makes you happy..thats what matters am I right? After all my faith makes me happy and I will teach my lil girl the same....Jesus doesnt just hear you..he see's you, he is with you always

However when I was taught that at an early age..I recall asking my RE teacher.."Please miss, does this mean that Jesus is with me when I go to the toilet? LOL I was only 6 or 7 at the time and I recall when I used the bathroom I would have asked Jesus to wait outside Ohh how innocent lil BM was back then!!

oh, come,come now were always civil here.

You only joined recently LOL ohh so innocent i like it lol

Ohh we all have been so civil here Always Somethines

Welcome Canwe to the UM forum!



That is a new concept here......civil

We never heard of that word untill now....civil

so when little bm was making a bm...?one of the scariest realizations I ever had was exactly how many spirits are around us all the time. Usually I simply block them.

I never thought of that LOL...naw I think not...they should know we are entitled to a lil privacy *note to self next time tell them to wait outside lol*