immortal proof


i had a crazy thought on my car ride home tonight. while you keep yourself up late at night trying to figure out infinity in a tangable manner try this thought. can you remember when time started for you? you can't. it all blurs. but at some instant time did start, more so the perception of it. this, my friends is also how i view death.

comforting actually

imagine

when you die, perception of time stops.

but to us, time is an infinite thing. into the past through present and propogates into future of infinite length.

with this view of time, being an infinite thing, our death would bring a hault to our perception of time but not a skew of the concept itself.

hitherto, i argue, we life forever.

from beggining blur to final blink this is all we now.

if time doesn't exist without the mind. then our perception of life is infinitely long.

finally try this.

capture the moment before death, and you will understand what it is to be an integral part of forever.

Interresting...

Exactly. I think this is a much better view of death than the "eternal sleep" view. Death will be just like before we were born. How was it before you were born? Was it awful or wonderful? It was neither. You were not alive. It will be the same at death. The only difference being that we won't wake up again.


I think time exists, but our perception of it is uniquely human. But you are right, our "infinity" is our life. The only infinity we will ever know is a few decades long.

It kinda makes you think, sometimes i wonder about reincarnation, and if its possible. i had a long trip that day and my mind just started to wander.

It seems like it always comes down to our perception. Cause and effect is difficult to break away from. After we experience an event it may be gone in a physical sense but it remains in our memory as well as in the original probability that made it possible in the first place. I think that outside of spacetime every possible event that is possible exists on a grid and we only experience a finite amount of the grid, the part that we perceive. I think the way it works is our consciousness acts as the observer collapsing the probabity wave for each and every event we experience. If this is the case we can control our own reality if we could let go of our preconceived notions about time, casue and effect. It is very possible that memory is far more than what we have access to on a conscious level. Possibly in order to function properly within a universe that is cause and effect based we have to wear "blinders" or have associative memory blocks. One thing is certain in my opinion, consciousness is far more than the neuro electrical chemical reactions that we use to perceive the world that we live in. If consciousness is grounded beyond the limits of tie and dimension then sometime we will 'Wake Up" and discover that we have always existed. From a physics standpoint a memory is nothing more and nothing less than a sequence of chemicals which add variables up to an event. In essence the physical universe is one giant computationa device. I could compare it to having a blank bitmap on your computer. Each pixel has a certain number of possible colors and the number of pixels have a certain number of possible combinations. Simply by changing the pixels you could make any possible picture up to the maximum number of possibilites. This means that every possible picture already exists in a blank bitmap but we have to change the arrangement to see an image that means anything to us.

sounds interesting, however, it's complicated...

That's too deep for me. Anyways, I reincarnate!

I find it hard to believe that our perceptions and self-awareness can just simply end; our thoughts, feelings, and everything that makes us who we are. It just seems impossible that it can simply just go away.

Who knows if we remember how we were before we were born, we can barely remember things that happened many years ago. I thinks our self-awareness or rather our souls, including our perception thoughts and memories, are born or created at the same time that we are born and that when we die, we just move on to the next place.

You know, this thread made me realize that a lot of the people who use these forums are hardcore skeptics...

I hate it that we will just never know. It's like we can wonder all we want and talk about it for countless hours on end and with millions of people.... But it still will be a puzzle that has no answer. It is kind of frustrating. Or maybe we are yet to unlock parts of our mind that will let our thoughts etc live on forever.... mmm..after that last line I think i should get to sleep.. I wrote it but I dont understand it lol.

Fundementalists of all kinds feel compelled to get their message of truth out.
Moderates share and Fundementalists use confrontation constantly.
Moderates look at ideas and Fundementalists tell everyone constantly their ideas are wrong.

Thats a good thing.

All a person is, as in your personality, is a bunch of connections in your brain which electrical signals travel along. When u die this stops, i guess its just like turning off a computer. the conservation of energy law means that you sort of live on forever in lots of different forms, but the 'soul' if u like, would be gone forever.

I find perception and conciousness are very precious things, gifts to be very thankfull for, and I REALLY hope that it doesn't end. But sadly, there is no way to know for sure if it does or doesn't, we just have to live our lives and hope for the best.

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That consciousnes transcends death is no longer a question for me. People might say Im crazy but I have seen existence outside of this Universe. I almost died last summer and I had an experience that can only be described as an awakening. The past 30 months have been the most interesting out of my 35 years on this planet. I am content that I believe what I saw when I was unconscious in the hospital and I know that there is no way I can prove it to anyone but that is ok. Just keep in mind that it takes a greater leap of faith to believe that the complexity that makes us who we are is an accident than to accept that there is now and always has been a plan for us. I am not a creationist in the Biblical sense because I beleive that while the story of creation teaches valuable lessons, it is merely a metaphor for things human minds can never comprehend. Being raised a Catholic I always understood that there is good and evil in the Universe but I never really understood why evil has to exist. After my experience I realized that what we describe as evil is natural just like positive and negative in a cause and effect Universe one cannot exist without the other. I do however believe that we are not an accident. We are far too complex and the Universe we live in is far too fine tuned to just be a coincidence. Intelligent Design gets a bad rap because of a few fundamentalists and evangelicals who have latched onto it as a proof for Biblical creation. I believe 100% in the anthropic principle and also in the unbending laws of the Universe the two most important being the Law of Consequences and the greatest power the Law of Attraction. My journey now involves waking up further and reaching my true potential to create my own destiny. As I said earlier I truely believe that if we can take the blinders off we have the power to manipulate this Universe however we see fit. Chalk me up as crazy or whatever but try to keep an open mind and never stop searching for the answers because I believe that search is an integral part of who we are and why we are here.

interesting, i was thinking somewhat of the same thing. some people say their whole lives flash before them in near death experiences, time distorition is not uncommon. ever have a day at work that just went by sooooo slow? or have one that went by real quick? i came up with a theory that right before you "die" time totally suspends or distorts at such a severe level that you are in your own heaven, hell or whichever afterlife in your own conciousness. time is just a word invented by us, who is to say there is only one "time" that everything follows? maybe it's all in our heads? just look at how real your dreams can get...the mind is very powerful.

Quote 'Who so ever believes in me and is worthy shall recieve everlasting life' The key to Immortality is to willingly give yourself to the lord for he died on Earth was brought back to life and rose to Heaven.The moto is this you would have to die to live forever take it from me our bodies are made to live forever except for those who have defiled themselves.

Thats a good point. It actually makes sense