i'm 27 years old (boy do i feel it) and i own a library' worth of books and magazines on history, archaeology and mythology but one thing has struck me as odd there seems to be more documented proof of king arthur (roman legionnaire or whatever you choose to believe) as existing than there is of jesus existing we've been lucky enough to find people and places in the past 20-30 years that were believed to be fictional or mythological but as far as i'm aware no hard proof of the existance of the son of god i know it happened a long time ago but will we ever find that elusive proof of some of our heroes and heroines or are they meant to just inspire people and they never existed is there a ''hall of records'' that will solve all our problems

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When it comes to any person who could have been considered a threat to the throne or rule of the person who had power where the events may have occurred, written records would have been searched out and destroyed while they were indulging in their common tendency to search out and destroy family members who were automatically seen as threats also.

It was the thing to do as an ancient ruler and for a great deal of the Middle Ages as well.

There are actually few records that we have that were not engraved upon a hard surface to tell us about people of the far past. That usually meant you were a ruler or high official, and even then if a succesor was not fond of you, too bad for you, most of your engravings got removed.

Anything before the era of the printing press are only bits and pieces that we are lucky to have at all, and even a vast amount of the printed word has been lost as well, especially during wars.

i appreciate what you are saying although a figure such as jesus i think would have left a mark somewhere look at the dead sea scrolls they were hidden for a reason and they survived and the people whom he supposedly helped i find it hard to believe that there is nothing anywhere at all to support him or his family and as for the stories in the bible like the exodus there is no evidence of this either ????

I forgot where I read it but there was a Hungarian historian back in the nineties that was advancing the Samaritan King Arthur theory. Then when I seen the movie I remembered the reference. I just don't remember the book. I think the Author was Kossath Laslo or some @#$&.

Lapi'che

I read an article a year back (No idea were) that said that Egyptian archeologists had found dozens or maybe hundreds of destroyed chariots a scattered out on the bottom of the Red Sea. They don't know how they got there (Dropped off a barge??) or how old they are. One theory was it was the Pharaoh Ramses' army that chased Moses.

I myself believe more in the "Reed Sea" theory, where what they crossed was a swampy area of reeds that is further up the coast toward the Sinai.

Doesn't various churches around Europe have little fragments of what is called the True Cross? That could be proof.

The Shroud of Turin isn't proof as far as I'm conserned. I think it is fake. A good one, but a fake.

I thought it was a good pic of a crucified European who had the musculature of a cavalry man the way the forearms and legs were built.

Lapi'che

The Shroud of Turin is fake. Compare it to a true (?) archeological artifact, found at Troy by Heinrich Schliemann, which he called The Mask of Agamemnon. In this death mask, the gold was placed over the face of the deceased (whether or not it really was Agamemnon is not important, as is the current questionable authenticity of Schliemann's find (Schliemann-a hoaxer?)), and 'molded' to the face, and then flattened out. That's why the face looks sort of distorted. The Shroud face, however, looks like a painting. If it had really been wrapped around a human head, the ears would be visible, and placed farther from the nose, and the entire face itself would look wider. Try wrapping a napkin or towel around your face, and keep hold of where your ears are, then lay the towel flat. Notice how far apart your hands are (indicating where your ears touched the fabric). The Shroud just looks like a painting. It's a fake, a very good one, but obviously a fake.

I was watching a show about the shroud a couple of months ago and one theory they gave was that whoever created it might have used an ancient version of a camera. i know they used a tent some mirrors and the sun and it took a few days. i forget the process but they tested it out and it seemed to work pretty well.

People assume there is no evidence for things because that is what they have been told. The Egyptian version of the time of the Exodus was found in Tel el Armarna. That was the time eperiod when Santorini blew up. By day the Egyptians could see a pillar of white cloud and by night they could see one of fire from that direction. It is a good read. There was massive ecological disaster and while eveyone was trying to cope they noted that a massive group of Egyptians and slaves together looted many treasures of Egypt and ran off into the desert.

As for evidence of Jesus, one has only to read about the paranoia of the Roman emperors and how far they would go in killing sprees to feel their throne was secure, to easily figure out how the family or works of anyone else with a title of king would be treated by them.

I found that the Romans persecuted Jews for baring witness to Jesus even the diciples Peter and Paul that sort of persecution has'nt stopped like Hitlers holocost and todays muslims insighting war against Isreal .In ancient Egypt the curse of Tutancamon was real the young Pharoe was believed to be a reincarnate of Amon but he died in agony thats why a heavy curse was placed on his tomb. King Arthur his 12 knights Camelot and Dragons were last seen at glastonburyabbey