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Mors Profundis
I may be responsible for the whole Mothman hoakem.
Yeah, me.
In 1967, I was attending Ohio University(the Miskatonic of the Midwest), and from time to time, I hosted one of the first cable TV, local access programs, late at night.
This show was so lame it made Jerry's Kids look like the Olympic team, and since nobody ever knew when they might have to host the fool thing, there was no script.
It was aired on late Saturday night, mostly it ran old film clips for video and popular music for audio, but now and then, we who perpetrated the travesty felt moved to ad-lib some truly wretched comedy.
One night, having been roped into doing it yet again, and being stoked with several 3.2 Hudepohl lagers, I made a truly tasteless jape about the recent collapse of the Silver Bridge, and blamed the accident on the Point Pleasant Monster(which is what the creature was originally called.).
The monster had been reported months before, and had inspired groups of local teenagers to tromp about the woods, heavily armed and totally wasted on various brews and vegetable products.
It's a wonder nobody got killed.
Until I made that sick joke, the monster and the accident had never(to my knowledge) been associated.
A local outdoorsman, a Native American retired from the military and a sober, serious man, told me he suspected that what had been seen was a large crane, perhaps a sick or aged individual that dropped out of the flock as it migrated North for the Spring-he told me that these birds had red eyes and were close to five feet tall when standing erect(fear and the aforementioned fermented spirits and plant matter accounts for the discrepency in size).
A paranormal phenomena and UFO author produced the Mothman book many years later.
What have I done?
frogfish
Hmmm, intresting if you are telling the truth yes.gif
If not..shame on you.
Mors Profundis
Sad to say, it's true as far as nearly fifty year old memory can be.
The movie brought the whole thing back to mind- I loved it, by the way, grand bit of filmaking.
Then that despicable little skink tried his lame prank, and got me irked enough to own up.
I think I've posted parts of this story elsewhere(maybe even here), but never the whole shameful episode.
If I was part of this, at least I liked the film.
diablo66666
Yes the film was really good but back on topic here why dont you tell news agencies or something?
psyche101
QUOTE(diablo66666 @ Apr 12 2006, 12:49 PM) [snapback]1143887[/snapback]

Yes the film was really good but back on topic here why dont you tell news agencies or something?


Although it might open a pandoras box, and make you unpopular, this does seem to be "the right thing to do" if indeed you are resposible.
Glacies
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Apr 11 2006, 07:01 PM) [snapback]1143909[/snapback]

Although it might open a pandoras box, and make you unpopular, this does seem to be "the right thing to do" if indeed you are resposible.

one of the steps of the right thing to do actually, a full and common knowlegde confession if you will, is the right thing to do, just to finally clear up the uncertainty.
Mors Profundis
This is as far as I'm going with it.
Point Pleasant has invested a fair sum of money in their Mothman attraction, I have no idea how many people, if any, saw that crummy show, and it's the author of the book that bears the blame for making a magilla out of the whole thing.
Besides, I liked the movie, maybe it'll have legs.
America needs a new crypto-monster, Bigfoot is getting a little old, and the chupacapra is a joke already.
If I helped invent a new hobgoblin, it was not with evil intent and I see no sin upon me.
It'll be our little secret.
Mors Profundis
A thought crossed my foggy mind a while ago-how far back does this go?
I made my joke in 1967 or '68, can't quite remember, the bridge fell in'67, when did people begin to talk about the monster, and connect it with the bridge.
We can't trust the guy who wrote the book, for he hath a vested interest, and I'd basically forgotten the whole thing until the movie came out.
I recall quite clearly(for what that might be worth) that nobody called it the Mothman at the time, they called it the Monster, or perhaps, the Birdman(that's vague, may not be right.).
And darn it, it was a good movie.
The Chupacabra King
QUOTE(Mors Profundis @ Apr 12 2006, 10:43 AM) [snapback]1144422[/snapback]

This is as far as I'm going with it.
Point Pleasant has invested a fair sum of money in their Mothman attraction, I have no idea how many people, if any, saw that crummy show, and it's the author of the book that bears the blame for making a magilla out of the whole thing.
Besides, I liked the movie, maybe it'll have legs.
America needs a new crypto-monster, Bigfoot is getting a little old, and the chupacapra is a joke already.
If I helped invent a new hobgoblin, it was not with evil intent and I see no sin upon me.
It'll be our little secret.


Watch yer words. Chupacabra being a joke? Hmph. Tell that to Puerto Rico, and the rest of Latin America!
louie
i hope your telling the truth now
diablo66666
Yea im pretty sure people are getting tired of hearing of the great yeti or something *sigh* hmm.gif these people are so hard to entertain
Mors Profundis
It's all true.
I never said I saw it, or even the crane, but I did make a joke about it.
And from such small seed do mighty monster legends grow.
But, I can't believe that someone else didn't think of it too, so mayhap I am Innocente!
Wierd turn of events.
Psychokinesis
Hmm..interesting if you are indeed telling the truth. hmm.gif
Mors Profundis
Why does everybody want to say I'm lying?
The sasquatch and the Loch Ness Monster are real, but a guy couldn't have made a bad joke, and gotten someone thinking?
I don't beat myself up over this-it was an innocent act by a very young man-but I doubt my name would echo down the halls of fame because of it.
Does anyone here think the Mothman is real?
(Besides the despicable, pizza-faced skink boy, that is.)
Psychokinesis
Yes I have heard of this theory that the "Mothman" was responsible for the collapse of the bridge and maybe you were the one who fueled that idea, but you yourself said that sightings were being reported way before then...so I don't see how you could've put the entire Mothman legend into motion.
Master Sage
Wow. So Mothman's a hoax... i didnt even know about him till i came here. O well.
Mostar
Hey could you tell us your adress ? so if you are lieing the hardcore mothman fans can rip you apart lol
Bigfoot_Is_Real
Now if you are telling the truth i have to admit i am in total gratitude of you however this does not explain the photographic evidence clear us up on this hmm.gif
Mors Profundis
I'd like to know when it started being called the Mothman.
As I said, it was called the Point Pleasant Monster or maybe the Birdman(that's a foggy one, folks).
These things snowball, they take on a life of their own, and they never, ever, go away.
I like that.
The Chupacabra King
QUOTE(Mors Profundis @ Apr 18 2006, 12:04 AM) [snapback]1152412[/snapback]

I like that.


OOOOH, you liked it did ya? tell the whole world you made a fake monster, years after it started? why didn't you start speaking when the books were made? the movies? the Point pleasent MUSUEM?!? I am a true, honest-to-goodness cryptozoologist, and I got the degree to prove it.....and you, sir, have done something that only weasels ands comic villians do.....you disgrace the society of cryptozoology with your lies! angry.gif

There, I said it, and that's my opinoin, and if ya got a problem, then say so. disgust.gif
And as for the Mods, I have right of speech.....it's law, baby.
Mors Profundis
I don't know how responsible I might be-the whole thing snowballed some twenty years after I made my joke.
As for cryptozooology, well, show me some results, your results.
Blame the guy who wrote the book, he never talked to me, nor should he.
It was a good movie, and the town needed a boost.
So untwist yer knickers, nobody here tried to fool anyone.
Blame Boonee's Farm and Hudepohl for the original reports, I never said I saw the thing, then or now.
Why is it that everybody on the web thinks they're so important, arbiters of morals and custodians of knowledge?
So I say, a fig, sir, a fig for you!
There.
Master Sage
QUOTE(The Chupacabra King @ Apr 28 2006, 06:29 PM) [snapback]1167388[/snapback]

OOOOH, you liked it did ya? tell the whole world you made a fake monster, years after it started? why didn't you start speaking when the books were made? the movies? the Point pleasent MUSUEM?!? I am a true, honest-to-goodness cryptozoologist, and I got the degree to prove it.....and you, sir, have done something that only weasels ands comic villians do.....you disgrace the society of cryptozoology with your lies! angry.gif

There, I said it, and that's my opinoin, and if ya got a problem, then say so. disgust.gif
And as for the Mods, I have right of speech.....it's law, baby.


Anger Managment, man. He admited his greatest secret.
Mors Profundis
If that was my greatest secret, well, I'd be a pretty sad sack.
The Mothman is fiction, but not my fiction, it was a hysterical craze in the '60's.
Funny, these things are forgotten for decades, then everybody saw it all.
Cryptozooology and Parapsycology are psuedosciences, this character Chupacapra King is an uncouth barbarian who failed to read my posts.
But at least he can spell, and he uses punctuation, so I won't invoke Yog-Sothoth and cause his underwear drawer to hold only odd sox.
That's a bad one!
Soylent Green
Mors,

Sadly I have a copy of the Keel book original.gif I think you discredit it earlier in one of your posts. I'm just re-reading the first few chapters for some info for you to get a fix on when it started being called 'Mothman' by Keel's accounting in case you can't find anything more accurate. I'll type a few sections, pretty much contiguous, that gives a dating structure at least from that book. I hope it helps ya original.gif

The .... indicates my editing out portions.


At 11:30 P.M. on the night of November 15, 1966, two young couples from Point Pleasant, Mr. and Mrs. Roger Scarberry and Mr. and Mrs. Steve Mallette, were driving through the TNT area in the Scarberrys' 1957 Chevy. They were looking for friends but no one seemed to be out that night. All of the twisting back roads were deserted. The few homes scattered among the igloos were dark.
.... 
Roger slammed on his brakes.
.... 
The lights bobbed away from the building and the startled foursome saw they were attached to some huge animal.
.... 
"It was shaped like a man, but bigger," Roger said later. "Maybe six and a half or seven feet tall And it had big wings folded against its back." "But it was those eyes that got us," Linda declared. "It had two big eyes like automobile reflectors." "They were hypnotic," Roger continued. "For a minute we could only stare at it. I couldn't take my eyes off it."
....
The next morning Sheriff George Johnson called a press conference. Local reporters interviewed the four witnesses. Mrs. Mary Hyre sent the story out on the AP wire and that evening the "Bird" was the chief topic at supper tables throughout the Ohio valley. Some anonymous copy editor gave it a name, spun off from the Batman comic character who was then the subject of a popular TV series. He tagged the creature Mothman.

Mors Profundis
Darn good research, and I thank you.
All I ever heard was the Birdman, or the Monster.
I still think Hudepohl Laager, Boone's Farm and thai stick had a lot to do with it.
Franly, I hadn't thought about it for years, but the movie jogged my memory.
Point Pleasant is happy, so, let the mortals have their simple pleasures!
Piney


crying.gif I hope you didn't make up the "Skunky Monkey" who lives near the New Gorge Bridge or on Apple Pie Knob outside of New Salem. I knew a guy who saw him. One of the guys who was a craftsman and painter at the Fort New Salem Appalachian Folklore Preservation Project.

You hosted a cable program in 1967??? blink.gif


Lapi'che
truth seeker
Guys the first Mothman ighting was in 1966 in Point Pleasant so at best you started rumor of it being associated with silver bridge
not mothan himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothman
Kismit
QUOTE(The Chupacabra King @ Apr 29 2006, 10:29 AM) [snapback]1167388[/snapback]


And as for the Mods, I have right of speech.....it's law, baby.


This old freedom of speech thing never gets old. It makes me giggle everytime I read someone post it. rolleyes.gif
Soylent Green
QUOTE(Mors Profundis @ Apr 29 2006, 10:55 PM) [snapback]1168401[/snapback]

Darn good research, and I thank you.
All I ever heard was the Birdman, or the Monster.
I still think Hudepohl Laager, Boone's Farm and thai stick had a lot to do with it.
Franly, I hadn't thought about it for years, but the movie jogged my memory.
Point Pleasant is happy, so, let the mortals have their simple pleasures!


I remember Boone's Farm as well laugh.gif At the least, you might have helped spread the 'mystery' of the Mothman legend. If Penn and Teller do a Cryptozoology 2 episode of BS, maybe contact them, they might use your story!

Point Pleasant can use the cash I'm sure from the movie's spotlight on them, I mean it must cost thousands alone in town revenue buying mothballs to keep Mothman away! w00t.gif


QUOTE(truth seeker @ Apr 30 2006, 02:57 AM) [snapback]1168641[/snapback]

Guys the first Mothman ighting was in 1966 in Point Pleasant so at best you started rumor of it being associated with silver bridge
not mothan himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothman


Yep thanks, the @#$@# wiki knows all! original.gif I was trying to get a more precise date of when the term 'Mothman' was used rather then a first sighting for Mors. Had I used the Wiki it would haved saved me some typing!
truth seeker
Hi I found another article on mothman.
QUOTE

On November 16, a press conference was held in the county courthouse and the couples from the TNT plant sighting repeated their story. Deputy Halstead, who had known the couples all of their lives, took them very seriously. “They’ve never been in any trouble,” he told investigators and had no reason to doubt their stories. Many of the reporters who were present for the weird recounting felt the same way. The news of the strange sightings spread around the world. The press dubbed the odd flying creature “Mothman”, after a character from the popular Batman television series of the day.

Hopes this helps further narrow the date I doubt if we will ever know who first coined the term "Mothman".
http://www.prairieghosts.com/moth.html
Master Sage
Very interesting... hmm.gif
truth seeker
I have a question does anyone else think mothman seem very similar man bat creature from batman comics and cartoons?
Mors Profundis
Some fast recap, then I'm done with this-due respect, but it's being beaten to death.
1. I NEVER saw the frackin Mothperson
2.the program was very crude, Athens, Ohio had a community antenna system because there was no TV reception there except for EVP! The studio was a sort of cabin by the main tower.
3. I forgot all about this for years.
4. I feel no more guilt about the monster story, because I didn't have anything to do with it.
5. The whole point I made was that I may have begun the association of the bridge with the monster, or not, l feel very bad about making that joke-people died.
6. Somebody would have had the idea at some point.
7. This Mothman thing started some 20 years after the fact, just like Roswell-thus does folklore sprout, blossom(seeds grow in piles of crap, y'know)and come to flower, tended by the authors of sensational stories.
8. I think the thing may have been a crane, things look bigger in the dark, when you're frightened, remember, the eyes of many creatures glow red in the night when exposed to light, it's called the tapetum.
9. The monster is a crock-the bridge fell from a design flaw, and the monster was a crock!
That's it, fini, thank everyone for all the help, but we put another one to rest, kids.
The movie bombed, the museum is a sideshow and the book is a farrago of lies.
I confessed, you excoriated, it's done!
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