I Also am a farmer of 19 years (thats how old i am wow i must have done it m whole life) we actually bought a product called "CUD" for the rabbits we raised! Which cud is exactly what you said it was regurgitated matter which is what you buy 90% of the time you buy rabbit food...it's just dried up when you buy it!

It's no use arguing with these people. First of all. . . .

God violates certain axioms of logic, etc (for example, God would be a logical paradox; he would also violate the Law of Non-Contradiction).

God also violates the laws of physics.

You. . . . "can't" violate these things. And to even TRY arguing by saying "God is outside the laws of logic" would be illogical in and of itself, and would not be even considered a logical argument, thus making it intrinsically false.

And some intrinsically false can't be true (because it's intrisincally false, if you didn't follow).

i believe in history...i'm just stating that you can't it's that simple you are not allowed to believe what you didn't witness....need i say more?

and the bible 66 books not one..

yes actually you do because that last statement was nigh near incomprehensible.

Care to try again with some punctuation please?



editted because I forgot a "T" that rhymes with "P" and that stands for pool, and....
oh never mind.

and how do you know that mice once ruled the nation before humans???

Logical paradox, Law of Non-Contradiction, logic... these are theories and phrases that Man has come up with to explain things. Man, not God, came up with these laws and theories. How can we say God does not exist when we try to use such laws and theories to explain God that are used to explain MAN.

YOU my friend have alot to learn...you can violate these laws because they are not fact! Not even gravity is fact....its a theory because nobody can explain anything on earth 100% because the person who made earth doesnt have to explain himself to you...you where the one who was supposed to follow...

Gwyny do you know the difference between a theory and a theorum????? Gravity is obsevable lol......

I for one, would be interested in watching her violate the laws of gravity. It would be highly entertaining, up to the >splat<, point.....

God does exsist, it is evident, there is proof, you just don't want to see it...

I agree with Gwyny.

All the laws and theories and theorums we have are just that, they are not fact. We can see that something is there, like gravity, because we can see it's effects. We can see the effects that God has on people, does that make God any less real than gravity? We can't see either one but we can see what effect gravity and God have on people.

airplanes...and not only that who is to say that logic on earth is the only thing that matters...(cough cough, there is no gravity in outerspace)



THANKYOU

> cough cough< ever hear of the gravitational pull of stellar objects? It is the effect that large heavy mass objects exert on other objects in space. Try reading a science book sometime.

>cough cough< aircraft do not violate the laws of gravity child, they utilize a complex mix of thrust and aerodynamics to move through the atmosphere. Know what happens when an aircraft loses power? It falls. I could reccommend several good technical journals to help explain the concept, but I doubt you would read them.

THANK YOU!

yes i do and niether are fact

you should read a science book...there is no gravity in outerspace it's called magnetic fields...plus you need an atmostphere to have gravity present

oh yea and airplanes defy gravity as long as they have power

whatever you want kiddo. It is apparant that you chose to believe what you wish.

good journey.

JM for gwyny this validates her beleif in dietys girl you are transparent...lol and resourceful....

Oh for the love of pete! what the hell are they teaching in school these days? Kid, whatever your parents paid in school taxes, they should ask for a refund, because it obviously didn't have an effect.

Next you'll be telling us that you can breed a clydesdale and a apaloosa and create an arabian.

logic mathematics a proposition or formula in mathematics or logic that is provable from a set of axioms and basic assumptions is the definition of a theorum and gravity fits this gywny.....

Gotta love dictionary.com


the·o·ry Audio pronunciation of "theory" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-r, thîr)
n. pl. the·o·ries

1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
3. A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
4. Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
5. A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.

the·o·rem Audio pronunciation of "theorem" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thr-m, thîrm)
n.

1. An idea that has been demonstrated as true or is assumed to be so demonstrable.
2. Mathematics. A proposition that has been or is to be proved on the basis of explicit assumptions.


fact Audio pronunciation of "fact" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fkt)
n.

1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
2.
1. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
2. A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
3. Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
3. A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
4. Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.

Of course, thats exactly it

How is it evident? Please, show me the proof...



If I didnt want to see it, I wouldnt ask you to show me it.

And if I actually didnt want to see it, what right do you have to act "holier than thou" to us?



The effects that god has on people? Nope, you can see the effects that the idea of god has on people, yes.



Airplanes defy gravity? Since when?



(cough cough, actually there is)



Umm, it is you who needs to read a science book.

Hell, I'll even give you the equation to calculate it: F = G Ma Mb / d^2

Thats kind of why the Earth orbits the sun, and why the moon orbits the Earth, and so on... gravity (well, that and a couple other things)



No you dont. An atmosphere has nothing to do with gravity. Theres no atmosphere in the space between the sun and Earth, yet theres gravity...



Please tell me you're joking...

God does exsist, it is evident, there is proof, you just don't want to see it...
If humanity is proof that this diety exists we are in major trouble oh thats why we have so many issues....children of a lesser god.............

*Meko read that and fall death from the laughs*





Gwyny...you sign is right. For that its not worth to argue whit you.

If that kid is the representation of Christianity, then I'm seriously about to fall off my ass dying as I laugh away.

First of all, I was never talking about theories to begin with. Sweetie - you are an interesting character. Please don't have any children; I don't want our beautiful planet to be populated by potential failures.

However, that would be mean of me to say. If you have kids, I really hope that they have the necessary logic and intelligence to break away from these values you hold dear, and find their own truths . . . . .

But I digress. So, shall my counter argument begin? Of course.

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1. What I presented are not a set of theories. Go and read the differences between theories, theorems, and axioms.

2. Axioms are absolutes -- you cannot break them in any way, shape, or form.

3. The laws of physics and mathematics proves for the existence of Gravity -- it is quantifiable, and can be empirically proven to exist. God is a thing made of faith -- Faith is something not quantifiable, not empirical, and illogical. God cannot be prove by anything -- he can only be DISPROVEN via the axioms of logic and laws of physics and mathematics which govern our universe.

4. Did I ever say God had to explain himself to me? No. But if he's not going to show himself, why should I believe? Because a book called the "Holy Bible" says that God exists? A book written, inked, bound, printed, mass produced, and distrubuted by other Human Beings. How divine. . . . is that. And don't give your argument of "God inspired him." That's not an argument.

5. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REFUTE ANYTHING WITHOUT A LOGICAL OR EMPIRICALLY PROVABLE ARGUMENT. Otherwise, it's called "Faith" which cannot be proved, measured, seen, or quantified in any way, shape, or form.

6. Do not use someone else's argument as your own. You don't see me falling and drooling over Steller's points -- I am making my own points based off of logic and reason. You, on the other hand, are giving false scientific points, and doing nothing but agreeing with someone else's ideology in which you find to be similar to your own. Develop some logic and rationality. Your reasoning is so flawed that I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

Proof??? I believe he exists but as for the proof...thats beyond me...so where is this proof? this I do want to see

let me explain...
when you drop a bowling ball and a penny off a building they will land at the same time..but the formula for momentum says that they will not land at the same time but they do?

All i am trying to say is that science is not 100% nothing in science has ever been proven 100% so therefor you are using belief in science as i am faith in believing in god. You just happen to believe that all the trees and beatiful sceneries were made by a huge bang...i however choose to believe my history books which tell me that all of this wasn't an accident...so honestly believe what you want i tried to help you but you are to stubborn and thick headed to read soo thats your problem...oh my children will be heaven where you wont be so i dont have worry about your demonic views.......Jesus IS coming and when he does i will have the last laugh.

You pride yourself wayyyyy too much....i think the berri clan will be the devils best friend someday!




THE BIBLE

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The bible is not proof IMO it is written by man...that only thinks he knows what God wants

Gwyny...I believe in God and trust in him...but even I know there is NO PROFF of his exsistance....plain and simple...there is no point in you trying to tell me there is...you stick to what you believe is proof and i'll stick to mine.......................fi there was proof they wouldnt call what we have a FAITH now would they?

You have just proven why most people who are non-believers choose to stay that way! Why, dear heart , do you chose to judge , and judge harshly...haven't you ever heard " Judge not, lest ye be judged."

i'm not judging i'm warning....

well, we pass from the trying to convcert to the judgment and cursing in the hell pits...soo tipical....please, next fanatic...

some of us don't live under your dome, so when the dome collapses we won't perish.

telling people when they die they will have the devil as company???? some christian charity, and forgiveness.

shhhhh.....that thing are if you are a cristian...if not, fire and brinstone awaits you...and it legal to preach you!

I seroiusly doubt science can do much more to make our 'world' better. This earth is doomed because of careless and immoral people (something that science can't explain.) The truth is, as you said, we all have our own truths. But in the end, there is only one truth. And that truth has nothing to do with science, knowledge, or confidence. Like blades of grass, we live one day and die the next. So, what can science do to make this better? Science is good, is beneficial, but not most important. Science can't answer the questions that really need to be aswered in life, and those are the answers that count.

You are only warning because its what you THINK may happen...but you dont know how God really thinks and would react to anything....no one can...

Science is very important...where would doctors be without it??? Its a lot more important than you think...you couldnt survive without the help of science

On a religious note..it was science that eventually showed proof that Jesus walked the earth too...

First of all, no they dont land at the same time, because they are not equally aerodynamic. If they were to fall from a distance in a vacuum, then they would hit the ground at the same time. The reason they would hit the ground at the same time is because gravitational acceleration for both of them is the same, and they both have the same initial speed. Maybe if you'd have payed attention in physics class (and learnt how to use the equations properly) you'd know this.



Theres the "holier than thou" attitude again...



Is he? That is simply your belief, not fact. And go ahead and laugh---if and when he gets here. Until then, we'll be laughing at your amazing ability to show how little you know.



Quit trolling. I thought you, as a christian, are supposed to have tolerance for those who are different...?



Wait... you make a big deal about how science isnt fact, but then claim the bible to be? Please, show us how the bible is fact. Go ahead... I'm waiting...



At this point, I'd rather have the devil as company than have you as company. At least the devil isnt comming here harrasing me, telling me that I'm going to hell.

its been evident every day, but many refuse to see it because of the choice they had to make. Ofcourse, I have a couple Bible verses. 2 Peter 3:3 ¶Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

So, here, no man passes judgement of perdition against any NB, for the judgement has been made for those who position themselves apart from God. So, thus is the consequence already determined for those who REFUSE to believe. So when someone says, "You will surely die for your sins," know then that they are not judging you, but reminding you of the consequence for your choice. Now, getting upset about this just comes to show that the reason you refuse to listen to this message and repent is BECAUSE you want to live life the way you want (or see logical) without the penalty of punishment. So thus, it is evidence that many refuse to believe in God BECAUSE they don't want to do what he says. Why? Is it because you see yourself inadequate? Doesn't the Law condemn, but in Christ is the law obeyed! For Jesus fulfilled the Law without breaking it and promised that all who abide in Him are not condemned by the Law. So thus, it is the Law you disagree with and that is none of our judgements, but the judgement has already been made.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

See, its quite evident. All judgement has been made and the only ones who get pissy about it are the ones who refuse to follow God's commands. Its that simple. When all the science and logical boasts are finished, this is what it boils down to. Many men want to be their own god, but cannot for the life of them stop themselves from dieing forever! Here is another scripture that will surely upset many:

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

For all those who know a little about the 'mark of the beast,' the Bible pertains to this for those who do this: Disobey God's commands, which even Christians do every day. The majority disobey God constantly. This, by mark, is following the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, which changed the Sabbath observation from Saturday to Sunday as a 'mark' of their authority. Peter, Paul, and John all testified that those who REFUSE to obey God's commands and these are those who are decieved because they loved not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

So when a man says, "Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand," or "Repent of your sins or suffer the judgement of God," think not that they judge you, for judgement has already been given by God and its that man who chooses to live under that judgement.

She is not practicing intolerance. She is showing you what God has determined about those who choose not to follow God. The Bible is just as credible as fact as science is. For there are things that science can't explain or answer. Many of those things are so neccesary to know and yet science can only make 'theories' or 'ideas.' And in this are things that decieve the mind into a conclusion about some subjective knowledge that one feels impowers themself to be elevated in mankind to do something that is far beyond their limits. Yeah science can be handy to know, but still does nothing for the truth about life. How can people who seek so much truth out of life ignore it at the same time? Its because they refuse to do what is right. And by this they decieve themselves and enter themselves into judgement. So Gwyny is showing you the truth: that you refuse to follow God or believe in Him because you don't want to follow his rules.

So as a Christian, we have tolerance for those who are different. But God has no need to be a respecter of persons and thus your judgement is your fault.

So it is no suprise that you would prefer the devil who tells you to get angry at the judgement of your actions than to hear the truth: that if you don't repent, you will go to hell. But this hell we talk about is the everlasting destruction, not just the grave. So what many call hell is really a misconception of the lake of fire, or a second hell (grave) that lasts forever.

So, lets go back to what I've covered (THE TRUTH).
Many don't want to hear they are going to hell because they don't want to follow God's commands, because they would rather live unrighteously and recieve anything apart from the truth. This lie is then what they call truth and thus they decieve themselves and condemn themselves by that. So when a man says you will die for your sins, he is telling you of God's judgement, not his own. If you don't like this, obviously you don't like doing things God's way. That is the mark of the beast (666).

Also i hear he throws some wicked parties, lots of Rock, plenty of great food and the babes are hot

This right here is one of the many reasons why I do not like Christian beliefs and ideas. You think simply because I do not follow your belief system that I am an evil or bad person. You claim your god has no need to respect people and their ideas and yet according to your religion it was your god who gave us free will and the right to make our own decisions to begin with. The bible was written by men...I understand the claim you make that these men were 'inspired of god' so there is no need to repeat that over and over again. The entire concept of god was invented by men to explain life...to explain the unexplainable and some people have a need for that. Others do not. That does not mean you should be going around telling those of us who think a bit more on the scientific side, that we are bad, evil, unrighteous people...

I remember once a question asked to me by my preacher...is it better to be righteous or good?....Think about that...

my god has biger boobs than yours ...oh wait your doesn't have boobs , too bad for you

My God is not judgemental and the bible is not proof.....thing is I dont need proof my God exists...I trust that he does..and thats what I am happy with...no one can prove God exists...people dont call it a faith for no reason

looks like our posts crossed again BM........lol

What the whole my God thing? LOL

in all seriousnous my god is pure humor, laughter is the best medicine for all ails