So for a thing to be true people must be killed for it. All religions start off with people trying to kill them. Eventually if they survive they graduate to trying to kill other people. :-)

Every religion has stories of the people that died for it. The only reason that Jesus is so popular at the moment is pure luck. Maybe he had a better PR company.

Any religion that begins without conflict is not going to be interesting enough to attract a decent amount of followers.

You're assuming that all of them knew it was a lie, many probably thought it was true, but people were more ignorant back then, just them believing it to be true doesn't prove its validity, just proves that some people thought it was true.

People die every day beleiving in the Quran for example, doesn't make it true either, same with any other book.

I think people are more ignorant today than back then

god is in all of us....in everything...everywhere....but it isnt god as you know him.....we are all searching for a truth we cannot fully comprehend...most people today claim to know god but all they know is someone else's god...someone else's belief....the truth is right there infront of you but you choose to ignore it eveyday...everything is not what it seems...you either choose to realise it or ignore it......in each of us resides a piece of god....some of us ignore it...some of us accept it and realise the true meaning of life...your soul is your gateway to eternal life...choose to acknowledge that and live forever...choose to ignore it and die ignorant....open your eyes everyone.....see who you trully are,..religion was created to guide man,.but through time it has been corrupted to suit the ones who control it....knowledge cannot hope to be obtained through ignorance...open your mind.....and answers to all your questions you will find....in the depth of your soul....for it is all knowing and eternal......the truth of all truths....

Back then people had a lot of silly views about the world, stuff that science has since shown false.

What has science proved false about God, Jesus and the bible though?

Sun revolving around earth, creationism, 6 days of creation, garden of Eden.

New evidence puts doubt on jesus walking on water, etc.

I have a problem with words like “disobey, judgment day, going to hell, and so many judgmental, fear filled words that come from Christians or god fearing people…like that one “god fearing”. Nice ring to it eh! <(Sarcastically said)>

How can anyone be so unsure of them selves as to believe in something that is mostly fear based, judges people that are not the same as them, know full well that wars are fought over their god, and etc….

I honestly do not understand why people feel a need to follow anyone or anything that would try to instill fear in them.

The God you speak of doesn't exist. It's that simple. It's only a matter of time before you, yourself come to realise this. The God of your Bible cannot exist because, to do so, would pigeon hole and compartmentalise a being so profoundly huge that it mocks that being's greatness - a greatness that defy's our meagre understanding at this stage of our evolution.

The ONLY God that exists - the one that transcends *all* (man-made) religion is 'The One' - or, as I term 'All That Is'. *That* God exists. It is within that God that we all exist regardless of whether we are good, bad or indifferent and even if we never give that God another thought. That God exists anyway and really is 'All That Is'.

I have originated from a staunch Christian family whereby my own Grandfather was the resident Ordained Minister Of The Church. I believed every word he preached. I believed in him too - very much. I attended church with him twice a week and attended Bible school as well as Sunday school. So, please, let's not start quoting verses Ok? (You will lose).

It wasn't until later, when I first came into actual contact with my first real ghost - followed by my first real and very close sighting of an alien craft that began my questioning this teaching. Although it was a painful business yet, the truth, if we let it, will - will out in the end. And so, because of these events in my life, I can now, quite catagorically, not only denounce your Bible but also your God.

It is through actual experience - where I didn't have to read anything or listen to anyone else - that I learned that, the God that I speak of is far - FAR superior to the one that has been enforced upon is through Roman might - a might, incidentally, that did not belong to Jesus - and that Jesus did NOT say, "Form a religion around me ye sinner or I will caste you...etc" ROME created Catholicism through it's original Pope - St Paul. We, nor Jesus did this and Paul (Saul Of Tarsus) was wrong. (No wonder he was crucified upside down! That's how wrong he was see? Jesus was *GENTLE* and never advocated war. (Turn the OTHER cheek?) Saul, if you recall, was a soldier and knew nothing else. Does it make sense now - that we have had these wars ever since?)

It was from Catholicism that The Bible was created - and created to control the masses. It was not created to bring us closer to God. And Jesus, had he got his hands on *our* version of 'The Word' back then would have spat on it - just as he upturned tables in the tabernacle. What we read today, was bastardised by the Catholic church. (If you research this then you will learn this for yourself. I'm sorry but someone has got to tell you).

[Note: In passing, have the religious forgotten that, according to The Bible, we are all born of incest and that we were NOT the first on this planet but that Giants were? It's all there, in The Bible. Don't just read the bits you like. Read the bits that are never preached. They are never preached because religion has no answers for such verses you see? And neither have you. Let me give you a clue though. Begin in Genisis... first page. If Adam and Eve were the *first* then, where did Giants come from? If there was *only* Cain and Abel, where did WE come from? And what about this... "And God created Man in OUR image. Explain 'OUR'? Do you begin to see how well I was taught - and that I was also taught to read *properly* too?]

My grandfather, as said, was an Ordained Minister for over 50 years. Do you know what he had to say about 'religion'? According to him, it is 'religion' - and not 'evil' - that is the greatest 'sin' of all. "For God is ALL love or he is not 'God'" - Do you see?. ALL loving has to mean 'ALL' loving or he/it *cannot* be God but something a LOT less wouldn't you say? According to your Bible, God is anything but love isn't he? (Smoting this and that all over the place just because someone or some creed didn't agree with him. Flooding the earth like a jealous school girl! Destroying Soddem and Gamorrah! Come on! That is NOT God).

Although, as one poster said here, God is far too advanced for us to even contemplate compartmentalising yet, it is in this one statement that brings such a being very close to the heart indeed and it is the one I have just used - *God Is Love*. God is not a half love. God is ALL love and, as such, is utterly incapable of 'punishing' any and all non-'believers' in a religion that should never have existed.

Apart from all this yet, I can also add something else that you wont like - but I add it anyway because it must be shared.

From my own experiences of actual communication with the spirit world - and our worlds beyond - that has spanned over twenty odd years, I can tell you, with 100% certainty that - although God truly exists both above and within us as both an individual as well as you and I (*ALL* That Is remember?) yet, 'Satan' - 'Demons - 'Angels' or even 'Hell' have *NEVER* existed and that these also were also a concoction of the original Catholic inventors to control us. God did not create us to control us - to become clones. But Rome did. Moreover, I have actually spoken to 'people' ('ghosts') on the other side who have reached their 'heaven' but who have never once gotten down on their knees to *any* God. They got there *anyway*. To control the masses, Rome needed to control heaven too (flippin cheek of it!). Control heaven - I mean, to control your afterlife - a life that you have *already* earned just by living this life as it is and you control everything they do throughout that life.

Hasn't changed much has it?

But, I *know* (not 'believe) that people have gone to heaven *anyway* - and yes, even if they murdered and raped. They got there anyway. (Mind you, they paid for this infraction against their own *all that is* when they got there - in their OWN way and not as 'God said' either). They all got to heaven regardless if a Priest said they could go or not. It is not left to man - to you and I - to 'decide' who can or can't go to heaven. It is left to YOU alone whether YOU can go and where my ignorant 'opinion' plays no part in that decision. And so, you will go. When you do, only then will you know true freedom. Only then, will you let go of the laws that bind you now - laws that were intended to bind you to something that Jesus did NOT invent - to MAN and not God.

Meantime, God - the REAL God (along with you and I who are *Children* - *Sparks* of the same God to possess the same power as He/She/It) as so very much more than this.

...just as YOU are so much more than your chosen religion. So God is too.

Do *I* 'believe' in God? Well, for me and, from my perspective, I 'believe' in two Gods that are really one. I believe in the God above me, who created me. But I also 'believe' in YOU my friend. In your heart, in your soul, God lives too. And so, in that light - *your* light...

May YOU live long and prosper beyond your dreams for, as you do, so will I.

Thus, in that light, may we both grow forever!

Bob Daulby

Gywny the same people that bring you god bring you the tooth fairy...Do you honestly buy into the world ending propoganda... Whatever floats your boat lol.....

Avinash_Tyagi:

I hope not! I don't worship the bible per se. However, I do heed to the message contained within.

Imaginary Friend:

I read the link. Mocking God egh? It is these type of illustrations that make me so adamant about my faith in the Lord. Clearly, that website is a sad attempt to depict God in a negative light. Atheism in its purist form!

All the characteristics you highlighted above (mass murder, cultural rape, oppression) are the works of the enemy (devil); not God. Look at us (humanity), we are living in a world that is spiraling in a downward direction. Essentially, we have turned our backs to the moral code a conduct God set forth. Man simply doesn't want to be held accountable for his/her actions. Thus immorality permeates throughout our society. Our actions will not go unnoticed!

Count me in! I am among the hundreds of thousands of people willing to DIE for my belief. If certain members in society feel it is necessary to persecute Christians, they can start with me!

Why persecute anyone, let people worship as they may, as long as they don't infringe on another's rights.

I agree

Hmmm. WHat would you say if I told you about pastor's of a church who speak to new members and say "Find a church that suits you. If you don't like it here, there's a Presbyterian church 5 minutes away, or an Anglican church 10 minutes drive, or if you like, a Catholic church on the other side of town"?

WHere does the membership/money argument come in when people are encouraged to look around at not only other churches, but other denominations also.

Just a thought.

EDIT: In response to people saying Rabbit's don 't chew the cud..... Is it possiblethat the definition of "Chewing the cud" has changed in the thousands of years between now and when that passage was written? Maybe.

Regards, PA

And none of that disproves God

Do you know what the term "God-fearing" means? CHeck the original Hebrew word that was translated as God-fearing. It's connotation is reverence and awe, not literally afraid or scared.

To quote an anonymous Jedi Master - So certain are you. A few weeks here and you might realise that there are other people here who have just as good knowledge of scripture.

Anyhow, welcome to UM ourworldsbeyond

Regards, PA

.....another example of how people refuse to accept the truth.

I love how often the word 'truth' is used in religion. Moreso in the Christian faiths than an any others...

truth ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trth)
n. pl. truths (trthz, trths)
Conformity to fact or actuality.
A statement proven to be or accepted as true.
Sincerity; integrity.
Fidelity to an original or standard.


This is the definition of truth from dictionary.com. I have never in my life seen religion to be factual. I agree that some of the history from the Bible can be proven but in reality...religion is based on blind faith. Faith that there is a God. And faith in how he wants us to live. And in this case most people are just following the 'standard' ideas. There is no 'true' religion. It doesn't exist.

disproving anything beyond our senses is not there? no
there could be invisible-to-us flying pink elephants. prove there is not.

however, there is ample evidence that the abrahamic "entity" is not real (as portrayed).

Don't forget, you make something a god. You are casting that rank. To cast such a high regard for the entity of the abrahamics is surely a sign of delusion.

Why is it necessary to find a church at all?

Why are there so many beautiful churches being built for hundreds of thousands of dollars everyday?

Why, if there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, do churches pay no taxes?

Why is the Vatican the richest empire in the world?

The “hip” and wise thing to do now days to insure you have more people involved in churches is for pastor's, ministers and priest (and not all) to recommend trying other faiths and churches…

I believe the more “liberal” pastor's and ministers do this to make themselves look “liberal” and as a way to (like I said above) insure more followers of God…that is “their” God, "their" belief and they want everyone else to believe in their belief.

Do they also recommend trying Wicca or just staying at home and praying to your own God?

Do they recommend looking into what the Native Americans do for their spirituality?



Is it possible then that if that changed, then millions of other details have changed in the bible too…all interpretations being geared to suit the needs of the interpreter…

Truth?

Then why say "faith"?

How is it truth? Where is the proof?
And, if there were proof, why would someone need faith? Wouldn't they just "know" then?

Again, my belief is that people are driven by fear. For whatever reason death, killing and fear drives people to do and think many things.

If someone held a gun to my head and said I will kill you if you don't say "I like apples and bananas", I would probably say I like them...if I didn't want to die by the hand of the gun holder

A christian is told if they do not follow christ, they will be dammed to hell...
A christian is also told not to judge others, but, it is also said that anyone else that doesn't follow christ is dammed to hell...

A follower of this god who would for centuries go to war because of their beliefs, because they believe they are "right" and their enemy is wrong....they would kill others for this reason alone. And yet, it is against their god's law to kill...

I cannot believe in such a god....

Firstly....



That makes me laugh. The KJV is well known to be inaccurate at best, and not all of the Bible is 'history'. Some parts could possibly even be labelled revisionist.

Most of the Hebrew-to-English errors are ones of connotation. For instance, the Bible often condemns "witches" or "sorcerers", however the Hebrew connotation is of witches or sorcerers who do harm to others. Since this connotation of mal-intent does not carry over into English, anyone calling themselves a witch is immediately condemned by christians even if they are peaceful.




What might that code be, excatly? The Ten Comandments are usually claimed to be the moral code, but other things are often included in that by christians. God never condemns homosexuality in the ten comandments, yet it is usually included in that moral code.
In other parts of the Bible it says to kill anyone who doesn't believe in God, yet "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is one of the ten comandments.

And then there's all of those Catholic priests...........

i belive in jesus as a man and a good teacher,but not as the son of god as he was only deified after ceasar started the solaris religion and christianity needed a man god to trump ceasar who declared himself a god. as for the bible well its full of more contradictions than you can shake a stick at. but it does have some good points "love thy neighbour"for example, but not to much things like that can still be used today by meaning love everyone don't hate people for there differeces but learn from them. thats abit cheesier than i intended. but you get my gist.buddah had some good ideas as well and im sure muhammed did aswell although i know little of islam. as for god well the big guy in the sky doesn't work for me but if thats your thing then why not. personally i think god is the stranger who pulls you out of the burning car or the lifeguard who safes you from drowning wether that person is black,white,hindu or buddist doesn't matter. it's the good inside them that made them help you and risk their own life in the process. i think it's time for humanity to mature and stop blaming all our failings and give all our sucesses to an imaginary being.we did it take credit for it either way. well im done thank you and good night.

If I ever gave birth, son or daughter, THAT would be something for the history books, and might even get me to believe in your god. ROFL

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And all you show is your lack of knowledge of biology and theology. Although you are correct when you say there is only one god. However, god appears to different people in different ways. Your theology and faith is as made up as mine: simply a way for a sometimes rational species to explain why we are here.

And, as I have said in other areas, I do not fear your "judgement day". You quoted Sheri's comments from another forum, perhaps while you were peeking, you might have seen this as well:
I have always tried to convey the message that god speaks to many, with different tongues. One persons belief is as valid as the next. Since belief in a deity is a personal experience based on "FAITH", there is no way to actually KNOW you are right until the time comes for you to pass from this life to what lay beyond.

It is my belief that god appears to a person as that person expects of god. If you believe that god is a white haired man who sits in judgement of your life, then that is what you will find. If you believe that heaven is Paradise and 70 virgins await you, then that is what you will find.

For myself, I believe that when I die, I will become one with the creator. Again. And share my experiences of this life with him/her/it.

If god created everything, then god cannot experience it. He is literally, "outside the box". By splitting pieces of godself off, god can experience life outside of itself. We are those splinters of god.




Your faith in your beliefs does you and your husband credit. Try to live by the tenets of your chosen religion, but allow others the same freedom. When each of us dies, we may all be in for a surprise when the afterlife turns out to be other than what we expect. As I have said before FAITH does not equal KNOWLEDGE.

God is a choice , one chooses to beleive in a 'god' for i guess comfort, exceptance, approval.....

I notice Gwyny didn't respond to Mako's post on the proof that rabbit's don't chew their cud..typically Christian Apologist movement. If it shows you are wrong and your mythology is false - ignore it, maybe it will go away!

An you have shown another example of not accepting that others just dont and wont believe...who says its the truth anyway...I mean it's called FAITH for a reason....I too believe but gee I cant sit here and judge anyone nor can I say it is the truth...lets face it..no one knows...so it's much safer to say...I believe it is truth....

So what about those that have looked deep within themselves and cant find anything...and find it so hard to believe in something that they cant see??? I mean come on it makes sense to them...why cant people just accept that...and yet people who are religious will mope and moan saying..such n such dont accept their belief...its a lil of give and take

Actually, God is logically impossible.

Also, the laws of physics shows that God can't exist. . . . .

So the common defense of believers is that God is "somehow, magically" "outside/beyond the laws of both Logic and Physics."

But . . . . you. . . . can't be beyond the laws of logic. Because it's not. . . . . logical. Anyone with a clear understanding of logic should understand this.

Yes but if God did create everything then He created logic..therefore (logically) He is more powerful than our human perception of logic and is outside any boundaries we put on Him

Tengu:

God, Jesus, bible prophecy is NOT a fictional account. Everything written in the bible WILL come to pass!

Dearest Scince you forget that what you just said is your belief...Tengu has a right to her belief too....and if she dont agree with you..thats just how it goes..we cant expect everyone to believe what we believe...we just have to respect it

I admire your faith. I really do.......

I can no longer accept the response 'you just have to have faith' which was drilled into me from birth. Believe me there are times that I wish that I could. But it doesn't work for me anymore...

I believe that a form of God exists, but what that form is or who he is does not matter to me. I believe that God, for lack of a better word, created the universe from nothing and God let the universe shape it's own forms.

I believe that God created the universe with the intent for life in some form or perhapes life in multiple places in the universe. I believe this because something cannot be created form nothing without something the create it.

The universe, and life, is too uniform and unique to have been shaped simply by random forces and events. I think God gave the universe what would be needed to create life and let nature take it from there.

I do not believe in any one religion or follow any one; but I do believe that all religions are variations or parts of what is really out there. I believe that all the "God"s in every religion are the same being, just different faces and messages for our world.

It's not "necessary" to find a church. But if a Christian wants to meet up with people of similar belief, then a church is there for that.

I see. So to ensure more money comes to them, they tell them that they're not the only church, that other denominations are just as good, maybe even better

Other things have changed in language. That's why it's important to study the history of language, not just rely on the one translation of the Bible that you may own. Study other translations, study the original text itself. The same problem arises when reading any ancient text, but people seem to take the translattions of those pieces of text as accurate.

I don't necessarily believe that God is a choice. I believe what I do because it makes sense. I can't choose NOT to believe it. I can only choose to follow what I see as sensical, or ignore/reject it. I can't just snap my fingers and stop believing it.

How so? IF we accept that God created everything, including the Laws which govern our earthly existence, then anything is possible. God is by no means a logical impossibility. God is only a physical logical impossibility. And since we are talking about a spiritual or "supernatural" possibility, the Laws of logic don't necessarily apply.

^^^^^^^ That is probably one of the most profound statements I have ever heard. And, just as PA and others who follow the christian faith because it makes sense to THEM, there are those who do not believe in it for the same reason: it doesn't make sense.

My belief makes sense to ME. It may not to you, but that isn't my concern because I'm not trying to convert anyone. I cannot 'unbelieve' my convictions anymore than PA can. My beliefs make sense to me in a way that the christian, or jewish, or muslim, or any other belief does not.

And people spouting off about the 'threat' of judgement day, or holy retribution do not sway me. An earlier poster, in her attempt to throw that one at me, merely solidified my feeling that her form of religion is fear based. Not the entire christian belief system, but hers. When her 'arguement' for the christian god didn't convert me on the spot, she threatened me with "judgement". Kind of a theological version of "what until your father gets home". I should probably point out that I don't respond well to threats.

Rules were made to be broken

It is being argued that god is a logical impossibility for reasons given above. My own view is that god is a logical fiction.

Secondly, you can change your convictions. St Paul on the road to Damascus for example and converts of all religious persuasions can have deeply held beliefs and can change their beliefs. After all what's the point of having a belief unless it is deeply held?

Throughout history we hear of people who hold sincere beliefs about something then after reflection over time they simply change their mind. We seem to dismiss these people as 'wishy-washy didn't really believe it in the first place' people.
Great writers often go back on their deeply held convictions as they live and grow and think and reflect. People often, when taking any theological, political or philosophical position, pour scorn on others' supporting sources by saying, "ah yes, but he/she didn't think/say/write that earlier in their life".

Finally, social pressure either from personal conflict within or group pressure without can easily stop you from changing your mind, it becomes safer to go along with things. The notion that "everyone knows my god made the world and everything in it", immediately stops change and we become conservative as if we seem to think we have reached the pinnacle of being. It seems that an idea of god is a very convenient one that stops us thinking, and there are many out there who would delight in that prospect.

Thanks
That's why I'm not going to cram it (my belief) down anyone's throat. If they're interested, I'll explain why my beliefs make sense to me, and maybe that will sway them to see it the same way. maybe it won't. Who knows? But forcing them to listen is just going to make them angry. Likewise, if someone were to tell me what makes sense to them, they can. Maybe they can change my mind over time

Your last sentence says it all - over time they simply change their mind. It's a process of growth. People do change their minds. I'm not saying they can't, or that they don't. But if one were to believe something, they can't just change their mind in the snap of a finger for any reason. As a Christian, I can't just stop believing that Jesus is my Lord. Maybe over time I can fall away or be convinced otherwise. But I can't just turn around and say "I don't believe". It's a process. Right now, all I can do is follow God as I perceive it, or reject God as I perceive it. It's not a matter of flicking a switch and suddenly not believing.

You know what I mean?

Regards, PA

But that was exactly the point of my reference to St Paul, a blinding flash of belief, of recognition!

My own personal experience was the same. I had a Damascus moment in my local Catholic church. I snapped my fingers and a great weight lifted from my shoulders. I was free, free to think for myself. Are you saying you are stuck in a system of belief that you don't want to be in. Or are you unable to free yourself because actually you don't want to?

I will never understand this kind of topics:

X-tian: PLease N-B and atheist, tell me why dont you belive in the greatest, the creator, the big ppapa, our God?

normal guy: i dont belive because.........

X-tian: oooh, poor deluded foll. You dont belive in bla bla bla. The trhuth is the Holy Book ™. All will be revealed, repemt, because you will cast in hell by our all loving creator for not beliving in him...bla bla bla....




Always the same.....

You still do not understand my stance. It's still a process of change. That process may take a year or ten, or it might happen in a moment, but that process of the brain between believing and non-believing (or vice versa) still happens - though it's more noticeable with a Damascus-esque incident, since it seems to happen instantaneously.

I am happy where I am. But my point is this - regardless of my own belief, if my God says something is wrong, then I should try not to do it. If I Love money to excess, I could work extra hours, never get a moment to dedicate to God. I can turn my back on God and chase money. I can reject Him. But I cannot stop believing in Him (at least not yet).

Hope that makes sense.

Regards, PA

hmmmm, I was taught that Sauls conversion was do to the appearance of god in his presence.

If your god appeared to me and asked me why I don't believe in him, then I would probably change my stance. Until then, or until something causes me to change my opinion, I will stick with my particular faith.

Of course, a persons life experiences will change his thoughts, opinions, preferences and beliefs. That is called 'growth'. As I stated earlier though, the idea of a judgemental god does not make sense to me. The idea that only one form of worship is correct, does not make sense to me. Many christians spout that "god is all loving" but then tell us that there are 'restrictions'. This does not make sense to me as well because, if as they claim, god created all of us and has foreknowledge of everything, then the christian god is aware of how each and every individual will behave in their lifetime. If this god of yours set up the course, then why would he/she/it be surprised at the outcome?

From my experiences up to this point in my life, the christian/muslim/jewish concept of god goes against the notion of love, compassion, and fair play. The christian concept of "he so loved the world that he gave his only son..." flies in opposition to the concept that he will only accept those who then worship the son and itself. If Jesus was sent to "take away the sins of the world", was that just for those who believe in him, or the entire world? If god was so concerned with his creations, why has he stopped putting in personal appearances? I mean, the OT is chock full of personal one-on-one chats between the big guy and chosen people, right? Reading thru the book, there is literally a host of angels popping up. So when and why did he pull a Garbo?


Again, I am not trying to disparage any ones religion, or try to turn anyone away from their chosen faith. I'm just explaining why it doesn't work for me. I am not claiming that I have all the answers, but by the same token, I cannot in truth fell that anyone else does either. To me, this life is a journey one of many that we have taken before and will again. And in the end, I believe that we will all go to the same destination, its just a matter of which path you follow to get there.

And I will tell you a secret: In a way, I admire those whose conviction of faith is so stead fast. At least they are sincere in their belief. But, that same stead fastness can also turn to fanatisism when it turns its back on anything that runs counter to it. Those people have locked themselves into their path and will continue along it regardless of the outcome.


Peace and enjoy the journey. See ya when we get there.

Hi Thoughtful and welcome to UM.... What u say maybe true in some cases... but not all. I personally know quite a few people who do not believe in God, not because they want to sin and stuff like that, but because according to them, a belief in God ties them down to the rituals of their religions which try to keep God happy(?). For them, noble acts like helping others in need is far more important than fighting over whose God is true, visiting holy places and singing hymns to please Him. And since I do believe in God, I think God would indeed be pleased with such acts, rather than a mere ritualistic approach to religion.

On the other hand, I also personally know a lot many people, whose noble thoughts and acts are only confined inside the church and so on. As soon as they are out.. they resort to their evil ways.. Now which approach would u prefer?

Nothing is a choice to begin with. The only flaw in what you say is the existence of "God."



There's your flaw. Blatant and obvious. If God was "outside" the laws of logic, then he can't possibly be there, because everything IS defined by logic.

Do you know any other definition?

No. Of course not. We can only define things by logic and physics.

We can't break free from those.

To even assume that something can is to PRESENT A THEORY THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE AT CONCEPTION.

Such things are so intrinsically flawed (since they can't possibly be true to begin with) that to believe them is an obvious sign of failure to accept REALITY as it is.

The simple answer:

I do not believe in god because of lack of credible evidence, no proof supporting God in modern day Science, and the irrationality of the entire concept.

Why? Because I'm having more than a shadow of doubt, as are plenty of other people, therefor he cant exist beyond a shadow of a doubt.



A very accurate history book? Which book are you talking about, and who's interpretation of it?



Why do you?



What never ceases to amaze me is that, no matter how many times these people ask "why dont you believe in god" and get answers, they make up their own answers which put themselves in a superior light.

You may be shocked to hear this, but people who dont believe in god DO have a concept of good and bad, and they accept that they are solely to blame for what they do wrong. They realise that, if they believed in a god such as the biblical god, THEN they would feel that they are not solely accountable for bad deeds.



Why of course. Nonbelievers are all immoral people that simply do whatever they want, no matter whether it be good or bad
Furthermore, they are like that not because they dont believe in god, but because they dont believe in biblical god and Jesus,



Or perhaps people just have a positive image of god based on their misunderstanding of him.



What qualifies you to talk about what god is meant to be?



Just as you believing in him doesnt mean he does exist.



And what if he is? Is there anything wrong with that? Would you look down on him if he was, hmm?



So what if he does?

Whos to say whether he exists and what he REALLY has to say? You? I think not.



Well of course we dont want to accept Jesus as the lord of our lives... we dont believe he is. Whats wrong with that?

As for gods rules... which ones? Do you mean those contained in the bible? Why are those "gods rules", but others from other religions arent?



Which parts? I can take the movie "Troy" and point out parts that are historically accurate... yet that doesnt mean that greek mythology was correct...



You are quite positive that you believe that god exists.



Prove it. Prove that we were created in any way for god.



There are also plenty of others. From your lack of acknowledging that, I can tell that you're not interested in others making up their own minds... all you're interested in is having more followers of the bible. Where's the morality in that?



Maybe. Then again, maybe it doesnt. You have no way of knowing whether its really what god wants.



How do you know that? Hmm?

If god exists and he wants us to worship him, he's quite a megalomaniac. If I believed in god and believed this is what he wants, I wouldnt worship him, I wouldnt like his attitude. "Worship me! Worship me!" doesnt seem all that loving.



You dont know that. And why would such a benevolant god need glory and praise?



He's setting a poor example by showing us that we're "below" him, and demanding our worship and praise. He's not setting a very good example...

Maybe they dont follow them because 1. They dont believe in your god, and 2. They dont agree with the rules.



You're no better than those who tell us god absolutely exists.



He's the creator? You sound so sure... mind showing me the proof that he exists? Otherwise, this would be simply your opinion, and it would be wrong to talk about it as if its an absolute... it'd be kind of in line with lying...



Maybe I should have at it too? "God didnt create the universe"

Well, if you can talk in absolutes about your belief, why cant I?



If your god exists and wouldnt let him in on judgement day for that, I dont think he, me, nor many others would WANT to affiliate themselves with your god.



"There is no God"

As long as you do it, so will I...



If I'd love him, I'd not want him to suffer...



Ahh, so if they did, you'd believe them?



Why is it that you cant believe the Koran??



Created perfectly by a perfect creator? Why so? Where's your proof?



Maybe they didnt knowingly lie about it?



Oh really? How are you so sure theres only one?



When? We've been waiting for quite some time now...