Do you think if humans send all the animals to another earth with earth-like conditions to turn all animals into talking civilzed animals?

Are you asking if it would be possible?

Statistically, no.

Statistically,no.

It would not be possible at all, why would animals from earth become intelligent civilized creature/creatures on another earth like planet. How and why would we send animals to another planet, I know I know we sent Rover to mars but a dog collecting rocks and doing experiments on other planets,nope.

I could see animals evolving over millions and millions of years developing intelligence, but that would mean man would not be around to see it.

They would evolve no faster on a different planet than they would here on Earth.

On a side note, you need to think of better, more descriptive topic titles than 'Uh guys?'.

Well, I believe that the scientists will send all the animals will to another earth-like planet to make them bigger, stronger, and smarter.

I am completely at a lack for words...



Why is it all of the animals in the world would have to go to another planet to get bigger/faster/stronger? When did we find another planet? When did we find the means to get to another planet? To terraform it?

I must have been absent that day...

what a bizarre idea....

well, if we're to believe darwin, then yes, eventually it would happen... but there's a lot of other factors that controls how it ends up...

interesting idea though, but it's a thought, not a plan

Yeah, humans can send all the animals to another Earth-like planet so all the animals will continue to evolve into talking and civilzed creatures that they are intelligent.

what will happen to the animals that already live on the "earth like" planet? or are we supplying the entire bio system? just wondering...

Animals will be evolved and build the society in order to survive.

Well, it seems we have a modern day Noah on our hands. I have a question, why would bringing animals to another planet, assuming it has the same physical properties as earth, create bigger/sronger/smarter animals? The rate of evolution would remain the same. I am failing to see where you are trying to go with this, could you maybe shine a little light on this for me? Explain it a little better for me and everyone else. It sounds like there is more to your very irrational theory, and you somehow managed to forget to fill in the blanks.





Funny i was thinking the same thing. Where has the education department failed us?

Is it just me.. or did you not technically ask anything in that first post?..

I assume you're asking if animals would develop speaking abilities if placed on another earth-like planet, right? Why wouldn't they develop speaking abilities on earth? Why does it have to be another planet? The way I see it.. If they were placed on a planet with no humans.. There would be no reason for them to talk. They can communicate fine amongst themselves, whereas they can't communicate with humans because we speak differently.

Well, yeah and of course they will, they need to talk in English that they're smart enough.

..So then what are you asking?

Well, I'm just curious that I'm asking you guys a question. That's all.

I'm confused now. You asked a question.. that you already knew the answer to? Is that it? Or, what? I mean, help me out here.

You basically answered yourself before, saying "Well, yeah and of course they will, they need to talk in English that they're smart enough." They wouldn't need to talk if they didn't live with humans, so they wouldn't developing speaking skills on a human-less planet.

First off, how old are you? Second of all, why would they "need" to speak in english? How would they learn english? I don't even know if all the animals have developed enough vocal chords to even speak the way humans speak... You really did not think when you posted did you? I'm sorry, but imo, this is a rediculous post, and your arguements are even more absured.

perhaps if we specifically picked a planet capable of life , but lifeless, and started from "scratch". giving a specific animal, that has already had time to evolve (like dolphins) and then populate the world with species that will only give it enough competition to force it to adapt, but not capable of making the dolphin go extinct. of course, we would have to be hands on about it lol and be actively involved in most of the affairs of the planet's ecosystems to ensure that the desired effect produced the desired results, ie..a faster evolution of dolphins. we may have to , if time is a factor, get our hands dirty as well, and physically alter some elements of some of the dolphins biology for a quicker (instead of millions of years, cut it down to hundreds of thousands of years) evolution. this would be very time consuming, labor intensive, and would require an enormous amount of resources. lol we arent capable of such things yet. of course, we dont even know if we could travel to another star system yet, let alone, play god on a distant planet. besides we dont know enough about existence to be that bored yet.lol

just a thought, nothing more .

What in fish paste are you talking about

Animals can survive just fine

if you sent them to another "earth" it would be simular enough for them to be able to survive.

Will? what is this will stuff they will be evolved or evolve by themselves
if they we to be evolved why would we send them away how would we evolve them.

Humans evloved due to the forest going away. We are taking the forest in vast qauntitys yet I see no beaver sipping tea.

Yes.

See. I think Stellar just had a point. I'm 18 and of course that they can learn how to speak English like in the planet of the apes movie.

Look. I did answer your question. All right?

Which begs the question - if we wanted talking animals, why wouldn't we just engineer some? This would be difficult, but less difficult than transporting and evolving entire ecosystems by an order of magnitude. And it would happen millions of years faster, to boot.

Call me a pessemist, but I don't really see much in the way of scintilating conversation coming from a hyperintelligent animal. I imagine it would be closer to "gorilla like bannanna" than the works of Dickins.

Or, forgive me, perhaps the sentance would be more akin to "I'm a gorilla, and as a gorilla, I really like bannannas, let me tell you." Which, in all fairness, is quite a bit more interesting than some conversations I've had with humans.

-Pilgrim

I suppose the question that you are asking is if animals (and you are not specifically any certain species; so, the question becomes all the more open-ended and less defined) were to somehow be relocated in a different but physically liveable environment would they become intelligent.

First off, depending on which species (though it may in some ways not matter at all) what makes you think or assume that animals are NOT intelligent here on Earth? If you took say a random dog or cat and a human, dropped both the human and the canine/feline off in the middle of a desert, the mountains, an island - which species has the greatest chance of surviving? Which species would not be restrained by conscience, prejudices or anti-survival oriented quirks the most? For example, which species would first attempt to eat something unpalatable yet life-sustainable? Which would drink fouled water? Which species would overcome inherent learned fears and overcome the obstacle of pain quickest? Man may be more intelligent in creative thinking; however, I'm not sure its a proven fact that by nature man is the most practical of species. Or pragmatic.

Intelligence measured by man is merely one measurement. Ever have a dog look at you and know he's wondering "what the hell was that all about?" when you did something nonsensical? If anything, animals thrive best on expectations realized, a sense of order and purpose achieved more than man. Man though is best at alternative actions, doing the unexpected.

But to address your question. If there may be placed any credence in the theory of evolution due to adaption to change, survival by trial of fire or chance - then one must assume that any species will be modified by different circumstance. I assume that being thrust upon another planet and given a "make it or break it" fate would separate one group from the other within any species. Those able to adapt will live to procreate. If some decision, some reasoned conduct whether based upon past experience or inate species 'instinct' or bias due to physical attributes, is brought about by a member of any species so relocated - that member will pass on those attributes and tendencies if genetically linked in some manner or the other. Propensity to or towards any form of conduct most definitely is either survival or environmentally (or both) linked. So, if some intelligently controlled act is performed by either an advanced intelligence or what man terms an unintelligent species, in a given direction or set of circumstance by any member of any species - yes, the animals that are that member's progeny will by virtue of that decision be selected so-to-speak for that same intelligent decision.

But, nothing would happen overnight to markedly set apart one member of a species or an entire species as being a product of some rampant evolutionary change. Not like Bowser is suddently going to start talking Chinese or something. But say that dog many people have seen on the internet or one of those 'amazing creatures' televison shows that has learned to mimic human speech were to use that same learned action and by the decision to do so in a crisis situation on another planet to frighten off a predator - that same individual both through its genes and the physical ability to manipulate its voicebox as well as its mental genetic makeup to associate one situation with another and 'voice' a complaint may by virtue of that action live to breed. And moreover, live to teach its young by another future example of so 'giving voice' in other situations thereby by exhibit passing on a survival trait.

But man, don't look for a change of location as the only mechanism for such evolution anywhere else more than right here on old planet earth.

Infact, its a little known fact that the reason they havent done so already is because 1. There are too many languages which they are exposed to, which only confuses them, and 2. They must learn it themselves... the more we pressure them to learn it, the less they want to. Did you know that Hedisl?

Yes, I know that Stellar.

That made my dat so much better


Umm, why, how, when, and where?

Wrong. You don't know what factors on a different planet may cause evolution to change. The problem with many people is they assume other worlds will be just like earth, when in reality you can not assume anything. Who knows what unknown substances are yet to be discovered in the universe. What if one day we visit a new and exciting planet and discover that we can breathe substances other than oxygen. Life finds a way. So do not make simple assumptions about the possibility that it could not happen.

We may not know about conditions on another planet but we do know about evolution. It is not a proccess that can be sped up. It requires thousands of generations to produce these kinds of changes.

The only way in which evolution could be sped up is to shorten the life cycle of an animal. By this I mean that they much reach maturity, breed, give birth, and die all in a shorter time period, thus allowing more generations to flick by in less time. Since all stages of life would have to be affected I do not see this as plausible.

As to the question of breathing something other than oxygen, we can in fact breathe carbon monoxide. It bonds more readily to the hemoglobin in our bloodstream. However - and this is the catch - it does not have the same properties as oxygen, even though it contains oxygen. Our cells cannot use carbon monoxide. Thus, if we breathe it, our cells will suffocate. No other substance in the universe can have the exact same properties as oxygen, so either we will be able to breathe it, but our cells won't be able to use it, or our cells will be able to use it, but our bloodstream won't circulate it. Oxygen is the only substance that can give us exactly what we need in exactly the right amounts.

-Pilgrim

Animals on Earth - not evolving to having language & civilization (for lack of a better term)

Animals transported to Earth-like planet - animals speaking english and building homes/mini-marts/whatnot?

Does not compute.

For this idea to work, you would have to believe that the presence of humans here on earth is the cause of animals not evolving to have language & civilization. If all you take out of the equation are the humans, I don't see animals suddenly becoming 'humanish.'

Sorry if I sound a bit rude but,...what the hell are you talking about?!

I agree, if the animals survive here on earth and evolve very slowly and you bring them to an earth-like planet(im guessing almost identical wiht the same plants and whatnot) they would survive and evolve at the same rate as they do here.

Well, i dont see how the other earth like planet would change anything.

Unless it had improved conditions..?

I don't think it would be financially feasable to send animals to another planet, and then wait around for a few eons to witness the unlikely possibility of them becoming 'civilized'.

The question here really is: Why did humans become "intellegent", but not other species?

Exactly what i was thinking. If animals had the capability to talk, i think they would have done so by now, don't you?
i always thought that the sounds animals made were their way of communicating. Am i wrong somehow?
And if you took the humans out of the picture, i would think that, if anything, the animals would become even more 'animalish', resorting back to their natural behaviors due to the fact that there are no humans around to yell at them for what they're doing.

maybe it's just me...

Unless all of the animals are secretly (can talk and are) plotting to undermind our civilzation and take over the earth. Lol nawh im just kidding but this thread is kinda fun to read

The Earth animals will inhabit another earth to evolve intelligence.

Maybe, but you need to expand more on your original idea.
What is it on this earth that is preventing animals from gaining intelligence in the first place?

My IQ just dropped by 10 points while reading this thread.



Do you understand the process of evolution? Why will the animals evolve intelligence at a faster rate than they are now?

I have a question, could microbes possibly evolve into intelligent creatures after millions of years?

seems like the answer to this and your question is yes as humans evolved from single-celled organisms etc. The one issue is that animals have already evolved a ways so there would only be some that would be likely to develop vocal chords and a sufficiently sized brain. Further narrowing the field is the fact that it'd have to be a creature that wasn't physically dominant enough to eliminate competition without the need for complex (or semi-complex) speach patterns. Basically it's definitely "possible" though it may well be unlikely, or you'd have to wait for some seriously long amount of time. Just a guess.

If going to this other earth-like planet will cause animals to learn English (and, presumably, spell correctly as well), then the animals should take along several humans that contribute to these threads!

And before anyone is offended, I'm not suggesting that all humans must learn English. Diversity is the spice of life. But if English is your first language, please do not murder it.

We really have no idea. That one particcular microbe could die out also who in their right mind, asuming they could, would wait around millions of years just to see if microbes evolve. But probabally yes.



Nicely said...even though my english isnt the best.

Well how do we know animals don't talk already? Just because we can't hear them, it doesn't mean they don't talk. How the heck would anybody know if they wouldn't talk if they went to another planet? Primates converse using sign language, parrots can talk like humans. Who is to say they would or they wouldn't? Nothing is impossible, only people with closed minds say that type of thing.

[attachmentid=25182][attachmentid=25183]This is the hardest I have ever laughed reading a post in here. Planet of the Apes movie???? OMG!