FOR YEARS RELIGION DID NOTHING BUT DIVIDE
There is no religion higher then the truth
RELIGION IS A PRISON FOR THE SEEKERS OF WISDOM
MAY God show us the truth and the light..
Full Version: The word Christian never appears in the Bible
Can someone please point me into a where the word Christian is in the Bible? I was once a "Christian" but I consider myself more spiritual now.. but how can some christians say that you have to be a christian to get into heaven.. or have to follow the christian ways, when Jesus wasn't a christian and never promoted christianity, AND the word Christian is no where to be found in the Bible?
FOR YEARS RELIGION DID NOTHING BUT DIVIDE
There is no religion higher then the truth
RELIGION IS A PRISON FOR THE SEEKERS OF WISDOM
MAY God show us the truth and the light..
FOR YEARS RELIGION DID NOTHING BUT DIVIDE
There is no religion higher then the truth
RELIGION IS A PRISON FOR THE SEEKERS OF WISDOM
MAY God show us the truth and the light..
It doesnt appear in the Bible because Christ did not come to earth to start a religion. Xtianity is a man-made thing not a Christ-made thing
True!
It's then an institutionalization of the tenets of faith as ascribed to the teachings of the Christ, which then is understood to be defined as a religion, of Christ, which is then subject to the doctrine of solo scriptura.
It's then an institutionalization of the tenets of faith as ascribed to the teachings of the Christ, which then is understood to be defined as a religion, of Christ, which is then subject to the doctrine of solo scriptura.
QUOTE(Aticus @ Apr 13 2006, 12:10 AM) [snapback]1145454[/snapback]
It doesnt appear in the Bible because Christ did not come to earth to start a religion. Xtianity is a man-made thing not a Christ-made thing
Right..
so why are people saying "My religion is the truth,... My religion is the only one" where there is not scriptural evidence stating so .. dogmatic ? homerism?
A little off topic.. but did anyone here about the Gospel of Judas has came up in the media (already in aproyphia right?) as Judas bein the favored disciple and was told to betray Jesus..
QUOTE(Gods forever Servant @ Apr 13 2006, 04:34 AM) [snapback]1145477[/snapback]
Right..
so why are people saying "My religion is the truth,... My religion is the only one" where there is not scriptural evidence stating so .. dogmatic ? homerism?
people dont fully understand that Christ's role was to save mankind from sin and not to deem Judaism as an outdated religion and start a new religion by slapping his name onto it
QUOTE(Aticus @ Apr 13 2006, 12:37 AM) [snapback]1145479[/snapback]
people dont fully understand that Christ's role was to save mankind from sin and not to deem Judaism as an outdated religion and start a new religion by slapping his name onto it
so if that wasn't the case ( which I belive you are correct) Jews still belive that Jesus was not the messiah.. unless you are a messianic Jew correct? So since saying Jesus was a Jew.. there is nothing wrong persay with being a jew.. does that imply that there is nothing wrong with beliving that jesus is not the messiah since that wats jews belive? And with that being said.. when Jesus said that no one enters the gates of heaven except through him... Doesn't that imply that you have to belive he was the messiah or the chosen one however you want to put it? and Jesus being the messiah contracdicts what the Jews belive ? so how does that work out ...
did I make this come out right? Is it clear what im trying to say? cuz if not I can try to type it alittle clearer
QUOTE(Gods forever Servant @ Apr 12 2006, 09:02 PM) [snapback]1145444[/snapback]
FOR YEARS RELIGION DID NOTHING BUT DIVIDE
There is no religion higher then the truth
RELIGION IS A PRISON FOR THE SEEKERS OF WISDOM
MAY God show us the truth and the light..
i agree with you
find your salvation through the benevolence teachings
not from dogma and fear
QUOTE(GenX @ Apr 13 2006, 02:34 AM) [snapback]1145534[/snapback]
i agree with you
find your salvation through the benevolence teachings
not from dogma and fear
exactly my friend
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but how can some christians say that you have to be a christian to get into heaven
I am a Christian. I am also of the belief that if you live your life here on Earth to do good, you will live the same way in the afterlife.
There is something that gets really screwed up in religion when it comes to the afterlife. And I'll tell you what it is..........
Take a look at the main religions of this world. Every single one of them will tell you that you will be "rewarded" in Heaven if you live your life the right way on Earth.
So that's the incentive? To do "good" so that you will get your reward? Are we a bunch of Pavlov's Dogs or something?
NO!
If you take a look at the Islamic extremists, they recruit and teach people that if they martyr themselves, they will be "rewarded" in Heaven. Well what better way to recruit people than to give them an "out" from this world? After all, don't we all deal with adversity every single day of our lives? What if you were told by someone that if you killed yourself in the name of the most high....that you would be taken from this place and given a throne in paradise?
What incentive would you have left to remain here?
It is human nature to remove ourselves from pain rather than deal with pain forthright. I will guarantee you that every single one of these "martyrs" are choosing to become a "martyr" because they view it as a way off of this piece of crap rock.
A way of choosing suicide as an easy out so that they don't have to deal with things on this planet anymore.
It's not just been happening recently. Christians did the same thing years ago. The only difference is that they were willing to die upon a cross...thereby causing more pain...to do so.
Every religion teaches that suicide is the ultimate sin....yet those same religions teach that suicide in the name of martyrdom grants you a place in paradise for eternity.
WHAT A CROCK
Here's the deal: Live your life every day and treat everyone that you come in contact with the SAME WAY that you would like to be treated in return. There is no ritual. There is no "code" that you need to live by, no magic words to say, nothing.
If only those who have been "saved" and have accepted Jesus as their savior are the only ones who get into Heaven, then what about those who have never heard His message? Are they just out of luck?
If the people in that group spent their entire lives treating people with love and kindness, yet haven't even heard the name of Jesus Christ, would they be unwelcome in Heaven?
Don't follow what someone else says is the right way. You KNOW already what is the right way. It doesn't matter what religion you follow. If you treat the person across from you with respect and kindness then you are doing the right thing.
If you treat the person across from you with respect and kindness and in the back of your mind you are thinking, "If I do this, I will be rewarded" then you are NOT doing the right thing.
Do right because right is the right thing to do.
Your only reward should be the return of friendship from the person across from you.
QUOTE(Aticus @ Apr 13 2006, 05:10 AM) [snapback]1145454[/snapback]
It doesnt appear in the Bible because Christ did not come to earth to start a religion. Xtianity is a man-made thing not a Christ-made thing
True plus Jesus did not wish for places of worship either
The scarry thing isn`t that the word christian doesn`t stand in the New testament, the scarry thing is the fact that the word judish, stands in the new testament.
QUOTE(Gods forever Servant @ Apr 13 2006, 02:02 PM) [snapback]1145444[/snapback]
Can someone please point me into a where the word Christian is in the Bible? I was once a "Christian" but I consider myself more spiritual now.. but how can some christians say that you have to be a christian to get into heaven.. or have to follow the christian ways, when Jesus wasn't a christian and never promoted christianity, AND the word Christian is no where to be found in the Bible?
CHristianity - break it down Christ-ianity: Christ-follower. ANd there were plenty of those in the Bible
So yes, the concept of "Christian" is supported within the Bible. A Christian is one who has a relationship with Jesus. It has nothing to do with attending a church, or giving money to people, or about any ritual one chooses to do.
Just a thought.
Regards, PA
QUOTE(Gods forever Servant @ Apr 12 2006, 11:02 PM) [snapback]1145444[/snapback]
Can someone please point me into a where the word Christian is in the Bible? I was once a "Christian" but I consider myself more spiritual now.. but how can some christians say that you have to be a christian to get into heaven.. or have to follow the christian ways, when Jesus wasn't a christian and never promoted christianity, AND the word Christian is no where to be found in the Bible?
FOR YEARS RELIGION DID NOTHING BUT DIVIDE
There is no religion higher then the truth
RELIGION IS A PRISON FOR THE SEEKERS OF WISDOM
MAY God show us the truth and the light..
biblegateway.com search FTW
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 13 2006, 04:18 AM) [snapback]1145575[/snapback]
True plus Jesus did not wish for places of worship either
That is true and accurate. He wanted places to be used for prayer instead.
Worship was to be a daily thing practiced through acts of love for mankind.
QUOTE(Norwegian Phoenix @ Apr 13 2006, 04:34 AM) [snapback]1145582[/snapback]
The scarry thing isn`t that the word christian doesn`t stand in the New testament, the scarry thing is the fact that the word judish, stands in the new testament.
Christianity is older than Judaism.
Christianity began before the fall of the Temple and Judaism began after the Temple fell.
Before that they did not call themselves Jews, they called themselves sons of Abraham, Hebrews. There were four main Hebrew sects, Sadduceeds, Pharisees, Essenes, and Nazarenes. Jesus was a Nazareen. His name was Yeshua ben Yoseph.
Many of them lived in Judea and were called Judeans, but not Jews.
QUOTE(Gods forever Servant @ Apr 12 2006, 11:02 PM) [snapback]1145444[/snapback]
Can someone please point me into a where the word Christian is in the Bible? I was once a "Christian" but I consider myself more spiritual now.. but how can some christians say that you have to be a christian to get into heaven.. or have to follow the christian ways, when Jesus wasn't a christian and never promoted christianity, AND the word Christian is no where to be found in the Bible?
FOR YEARS RELIGION DID NOTHING BUT DIVIDE
There is no religion higher then the truth
RELIGION IS A PRISON FOR THE SEEKERS OF WISDOM
MAY God show us the truth and the light..
There's your sign.
The truth is that Christian was a term for the people that follow Christ. This is an easy one.
What do they call citizens of America? Americans.
People are called by whom they follow. For example: The Hebrews were called Israelites, but also by their own tribe. People were also associated with where they were from. Jesus was from Nazareth, thus those who followed him were also called Nazarenes(which I don't think is in the Bible.)
This kinda stuff involves a little common sense, and thats the truth. Religion doesn't divide people, disagreement does. And the reason people disagree is because some have the truth and the others don't want to accept it. Thats the truth.
So what if the word Christian wasn't mentioned in the Bible, I'm sure anyone with common sense can figure that what the world calls us doesn't really matter, for we call on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
QUOTE(Gods forever Servant @ Apr 13 2006, 12:02 AM) [snapback]1145444[/snapback]
the word Christian is no where to be found in the Bible?
The term Christian means "belonging to Christ" and is derived from the Greek noun Χριστός Khristós which means "anointed one," which is itself a translation of the Hebrew word Moshiach
QUOTE(Gwyny @ Apr 13 2006, 08:24 AM) [snapback]1145705[/snapback]
Jesus was from Nazareth, thus those who followed him were also called Nazarenes(which I don't think is in the Bible.)
The Nazarenes existed before he was born. Their main population group was by the Sea of Galilee. No town name Nazareth existed on any map or in any reference of that time.
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Apr 13 2006, 08:22 AM) [snapback]1145703[/snapback]
Christianity is older than Judaism.
Christianity began before the fall of the Temple and Judaism began after the Temple fell.
Before that they did not call themselves Jews, they called themselves sons of Abraham, Hebrews. There were four main Hebrew sects, Sadduceeds, Pharisees, Essenes, and Nazarenes. Jesus was a Nazareen. His name was Yeshua ben Yoseph.
Many of them lived in Judea and were called Judeans, but not Jews.
Really? Let's check the Book of Esther.
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Esther - Chapter 3
1. After these events, King Ahasuerus promoted Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite and advanced him, and placed his seat above all the princes who were with him.
2. And all the king's servants who were in the king's gate would kneel and prostrate themselves before Haman, for so had the king commanded concerning him, but Mordecai would neither kneel nor prostrate himself.
3. Then the king's servants who were in the king's gate, said to Mordecai, "Why do you disobey the king's orders?"
4. Now it came to pass when they said [this] to him daily, and he did not heed them, that they told [this] to Haman, to see whether Mordecai's words would stand up, for he had told them that he was a Jew.
5. And when Haman saw that Mordecai would neither kneel nor prostrate himself before him, Haman became full of wrath.
6. But it seemed contemptible to him to lay hands on Mordecai alone, for they had told him Mordecai's nationality, and Haman sought to destroy all the Jews who were throughout Ahasuerus's entire kingdom, Mordecai's people.
7. In the first month, which is the month of Nisan, in the twelfth year of King Ahasuerus, one cast the pur-that is the lot-before Haman from day to day and from month to month, to the twelfth month, which is the month of Adar.
8. And Haman said to King Ahasuerus, "There is a certain people scattered and separate among the peoples throughout all the provinces of your kingdom, and their laws differ from [those of] every people, and they do not keep the king's laws; it is [therefore] of no use for the king to let them be.
9. If it pleases the king, let it be written to destroy them, and I will weigh out ten thousand silver talents into the hands of those who perform the work, to bring [it] into the king's treasuries."
10. And the king took his ring off his hand and gave it to Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, the adversary of the Jews.
11. And the king said to Haman, "The silver is given to you, and the people to do to them as it pleases you."
12. And the king's scribes were summoned in the first month, on the thirteenth day thereof, and it was written according to everything that Haman had ordered to the king's satraps and to the governors who were over every province, and to the princes of every people, each province according to its script and each people according to its tongue; it was written in the name of King Ahasuerus, and it was sealed with the king's ring.
13. And letters shall be sent by the hand of the couriers to all the king's provinces, to destroy, kill, and cause to perish all the Jews, both young and old, little children and women, on one day, on the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, which is the month of Adar, and their spoils to be taken as plunder.
14. The copy of the writ was for an edict to be given in every province, published to all the peoples, to be ready for that day.
15. The couriers went forth in haste by the king's order, and the edict was given in Shushan the capital, and the king and Haman sat down to drink, and the city of Shushan was perturbed.
1. After these events, King Ahasuerus promoted Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite and advanced him, and placed his seat above all the princes who were with him.
2. And all the king's servants who were in the king's gate would kneel and prostrate themselves before Haman, for so had the king commanded concerning him, but Mordecai would neither kneel nor prostrate himself.
3. Then the king's servants who were in the king's gate, said to Mordecai, "Why do you disobey the king's orders?"
4. Now it came to pass when they said [this] to him daily, and he did not heed them, that they told [this] to Haman, to see whether Mordecai's words would stand up, for he had told them that he was a Jew.
5. And when Haman saw that Mordecai would neither kneel nor prostrate himself before him, Haman became full of wrath.
6. But it seemed contemptible to him to lay hands on Mordecai alone, for they had told him Mordecai's nationality, and Haman sought to destroy all the Jews who were throughout Ahasuerus's entire kingdom, Mordecai's people.
7. In the first month, which is the month of Nisan, in the twelfth year of King Ahasuerus, one cast the pur-that is the lot-before Haman from day to day and from month to month, to the twelfth month, which is the month of Adar.
8. And Haman said to King Ahasuerus, "There is a certain people scattered and separate among the peoples throughout all the provinces of your kingdom, and their laws differ from [those of] every people, and they do not keep the king's laws; it is [therefore] of no use for the king to let them be.
9. If it pleases the king, let it be written to destroy them, and I will weigh out ten thousand silver talents into the hands of those who perform the work, to bring [it] into the king's treasuries."
10. And the king took his ring off his hand and gave it to Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, the adversary of the Jews.
11. And the king said to Haman, "The silver is given to you, and the people to do to them as it pleases you."
12. And the king's scribes were summoned in the first month, on the thirteenth day thereof, and it was written according to everything that Haman had ordered to the king's satraps and to the governors who were over every province, and to the princes of every people, each province according to its script and each people according to its tongue; it was written in the name of King Ahasuerus, and it was sealed with the king's ring.
13. And letters shall be sent by the hand of the couriers to all the king's provinces, to destroy, kill, and cause to perish all the Jews, both young and old, little children and women, on one day, on the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, which is the month of Adar, and their spoils to be taken as plunder.
14. The copy of the writ was for an edict to be given in every province, published to all the peoples, to be ready for that day.
15. The couriers went forth in haste by the king's order, and the edict was given in Shushan the capital, and the king and Haman sat down to drink, and the city of Shushan was perturbed.
Are you claiming that the Book of Esther was written after the destruction of the Temple, or are you admitting that you have never read the so-called "Old Testament"? Do you know anything about history or linguistics? Can we have a moment of "duh"?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/jew
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Jew (j)
n.
1. An adherent of Judaism as a religion or culture.
2. A member of the widely dispersed people originally descended from the ancient Hebrews and sharing an ethnic heritage based on Judaism.
3. A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah.
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[Middle English Jeu, from Old French giu, from Latin Idaeus, from Greek Ioudaios, from Aramaic yhudy, from Hebrew yhûdî, inhabitant of Judah, from yhûdâ, Judah; see Judah2.]
ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words AntonymsNoun 1. Jew - a person belonging to the worldwide group claiming descent from Jacob (or converted to it) and connected by cultural or religious ties
Hebrew, Israelite
human, individual, mortal, person, somebody, someone, soul - a human being; "there was too much for one person to do"
Jewry - Jews collectively
Ashkenazi - a Jew of eastern European or German descent
Conservative Jew - Jew who keeps some requirements of Mosaic Law but adapts others to suit modern circumstances
Essene - a member of an ascetic Jewish sect around the time of Jesus
Jewess - a woman who is a Jew
hymie, kike, sheeny - offensive terms for a Jew
Levite - a member of the Hebrew tribe of Levi (especially the branch that provided male assistants to the Temple priests)
Lot - (Old Testament) nephew of Abraham; God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah but chose to spare Lot and his family who were told to flee without looking back at the destruction
Orthodox Jew - Jew who practices strict observance of Mosaic Law
Pharisee - a member of an ancient Jewish sect noted for strict obedience to Jewish traditions
Reform Jew - liberal Jew who tries to adapt all aspects of Judaism to modern circumstances
Sadducee - a member of an ancient Jewish sect around the time of Jesus; opposed to the Pharisees
Sephardi, Sephardic Jew - a Jew who is of Spanish or Portuguese or North African descent
Wandering Jew - a legendary Jew condemned to roam the world for mocking Jesus at the Crucifixion
Zealot - a member of an ancient Jewish sect in Judea in the first century who fought to the death against the Romans and who killed or persecuted Jews who collaborated with the Romans
Zionist - a Jewish supporter of Zionism
n.
1. An adherent of Judaism as a religion or culture.
2. A member of the widely dispersed people originally descended from the ancient Hebrews and sharing an ethnic heritage based on Judaism.
3. A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah.
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[Middle English Jeu, from Old French giu, from Latin Idaeus, from Greek Ioudaios, from Aramaic yhudy, from Hebrew yhûdî, inhabitant of Judah, from yhûdâ, Judah; see Judah2.]
ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words AntonymsNoun 1. Jew - a person belonging to the worldwide group claiming descent from Jacob (or converted to it) and connected by cultural or religious ties
Hebrew, Israelite
human, individual, mortal, person, somebody, someone, soul - a human being; "there was too much for one person to do"
Jewry - Jews collectively
Ashkenazi - a Jew of eastern European or German descent
Conservative Jew - Jew who keeps some requirements of Mosaic Law but adapts others to suit modern circumstances
Essene - a member of an ascetic Jewish sect around the time of Jesus
Jewess - a woman who is a Jew
hymie, kike, sheeny - offensive terms for a Jew
Levite - a member of the Hebrew tribe of Levi (especially the branch that provided male assistants to the Temple priests)
Lot - (Old Testament) nephew of Abraham; God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah but chose to spare Lot and his family who were told to flee without looking back at the destruction
Orthodox Jew - Jew who practices strict observance of Mosaic Law
Pharisee - a member of an ancient Jewish sect noted for strict obedience to Jewish traditions
Reform Jew - liberal Jew who tries to adapt all aspects of Judaism to modern circumstances
Sadducee - a member of an ancient Jewish sect around the time of Jesus; opposed to the Pharisees
Sephardi, Sephardic Jew - a Jew who is of Spanish or Portuguese or North African descent
Wandering Jew - a legendary Jew condemned to roam the world for mocking Jesus at the Crucifixion
Zealot - a member of an ancient Jewish sect in Judea in the first century who fought to the death against the Romans and who killed or persecuted Jews who collaborated with the Romans
Zionist - a Jewish supporter of Zionism
Since you are ignorant, aparently, of anything other than what the church teaches, I have quoted the dictionary site at length. Please check a dictionary before you post something ignorant, and then maybe you will learn something. The word "Jew" means someone from Judea, which, since you apparently have never read the Hebrew Scriptures, let me inform you: the original Kingdom of Israel split into the northern (Israel), and the southern (Judah). Israel disappeared after a while, and only Judah remained. I am skipping some details, such as the Babylonian Captivity (which you should look up).
You probably have never heard of all this, otherwise you would know that "Jew" just means "Judaean". More reason not to become a Christian; I don't need to be lobotomized, thank you.
p.s.: please read the n.t., and you will find out that Jesus, assuming the man ever even existed was a Jew. He lived as one, preached about obeying the Law, and celebrated all the Jewish holidays. To truly follow Jesus, one would have to be an Orthodox Jew. "The Law is not to be broken". Please study something and learn something.
Yes, the early followers of Yeshu ben Yosef were indeed called "Notzrim", which is still the modern Hebrew word. The term "Christians" was developed much later by the Church "Fathers" when they rewrote the n.t. at the councils of Nicea and Constantinople.
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Christianity is NOT older than Judaism! The Jesus movement began as a sect within Judaism and later splintered off and eventually became a new religion. And there were many sects within Judaism--some 30 to 40!
90's CE - Christianity gradually separates from Judaism, and emerges as independent religion; local sporadic persecutions of Christians in the Roman Empire slowly increase, esp. in Asia Minor under Emperors Domitian and Trajan--Prof. Felix Just, S.J.
World Civilizations: Jesus of Nazareth (Washington State University)
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/CHRIST/CHRIST.HTM
From Jesus to Christ (Frontline Documentary)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/
Jesus of Nazareth (Fordham University)
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbook11.html#Jesus
Into His Own (Mahlon H. Smith, Rutgers University)
http://virtualreligion.net/iho/
Christian Tradition (Rutgers University)
http://virtualreligion.net/vri/xnity.html
An Overview of Israelite, Jewish, and Early Christian History (by Prof. Felix Just, S.J. San Francisco University)
http://catholic-resources.org/Bible/Judeo-Xn-History.htm
Early Christian Writings (Peter Kirby)
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/
Sean
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hristianity is older than Judaism.
Christianity began before the fall of the Temple and Judaism began after the Temple fell.
Christianity began before the fall of the Temple and Judaism began after the Temple fell.
Christianity is NOT older than Judaism! The Jesus movement began as a sect within Judaism and later splintered off and eventually became a new religion. And there were many sects within Judaism--some 30 to 40!
90's CE - Christianity gradually separates from Judaism, and emerges as independent religion; local sporadic persecutions of Christians in the Roman Empire slowly increase, esp. in Asia Minor under Emperors Domitian and Trajan--Prof. Felix Just, S.J.
World Civilizations: Jesus of Nazareth (Washington State University)
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/CHRIST/CHRIST.HTM
From Jesus to Christ (Frontline Documentary)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/
Jesus of Nazareth (Fordham University)
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbook11.html#Jesus
Into His Own (Mahlon H. Smith, Rutgers University)
http://virtualreligion.net/iho/
Christian Tradition (Rutgers University)
http://virtualreligion.net/vri/xnity.html
An Overview of Israelite, Jewish, and Early Christian History (by Prof. Felix Just, S.J. San Francisco University)
http://catholic-resources.org/Bible/Judeo-Xn-History.htm
Early Christian Writings (Peter Kirby)
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/
Sean
It is politcally correct to call the Hebrew sects old Judaisim, but it is totally historically inaccurate.
The Hassidean party of the early days of the Hasmonean revolt developed into the group known as the Pharisees. The name, which in Hebrew mean separatists, presumably refers to their insistence on ritual purity. They developed the process of interpretation of the Torah, giving wide - ranging meanings to the Scriptural text. Their teachings evolved into the Mishnah and Talmud, and thus constitute the basis of rabbinic Judaism.
The Hassidean party of the early days of the Hasmonean revolt developed into the group known as the Pharisees. The name, which in Hebrew mean separatists, presumably refers to their insistence on ritual purity. They developed the process of interpretation of the Torah, giving wide - ranging meanings to the Scriptural text. Their teachings evolved into the Mishnah and Talmud, and thus constitute the basis of rabbinic Judaism.
The claim you made was that Christianity is older than Judaism. It is not.
Where are you getting your information?
Where are you getting your information?
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Apr 13 2006, 10:25 AM) [snapback]1145815[/snapback]
It is politcally correct to call the Hebrew sects old Judaisim, but it is totally historically inaccurate.
The Hassidean party of the early days of the Hasmonean revolt developed into the group known as the Pharisees. The name, which in Hebrew mean separatists, presumably refers to their insistence on ritual purity. They developed the process of interpretation of the Torah, giving wide - ranging meanings to the Scriptural text. Their teachings evolved into the Mishnah and Talmud, and thus constitute the basis of rabbinic Judaism.
SO YOU HAVE NEVER READ THE BOOK OF ESTHER?
You didn't even read my last post?Not one word?
QUOTE(Gwyny @ Apr 13 2006, 01:24 PM) [snapback]1145705[/snapback]
There's your sign.
The truth is that Christian was a term for the people that follow Christ. This is an easy one.
What do they call citizens of America? Americans.
People are called by whom they follow. For example: The Hebrews were called Israelites, but also by their own tribe. People were also associated with where they were from. Jesus was from Nazareth, thus those who followed him were also called Nazarenes(which I don't think is in the Bible.)
This kinda stuff involves a little common sense, and thats the truth. Religion doesn't divide people, disagreement does. And the reason people disagree is because some have the truth and the others don't want to accept it. Thats the truth.
So what if the word Christian wasn't mentioned in the Bible, I'm sure anyone with common sense can figure that what the world calls us doesn't really matter, for we call on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Why must you think that just because others have their own way to follow their God..why must they be wrong????...If you believe your God is the one and only thats fine...but if others that also believe in the same god in heaven...but their faith is a lil different...whats so wrong with that??? I mean if you where born and raised a muslim..you would say the christians have it wrong...this dont make it so...No one knows what the true faith is and all anyone can do is hope and trust/believe...
QUOTE(truthorder @ Apr 13 2006, 03:08 AM) [snapback]1145543[/snapback]
I am a Christian. I am also of the belief that if you live your life here on Earth to do good, you will live the same way in the afterlife.
There is something that gets really screwed up in religion when it comes to the afterlife. And I'll tell you what it is..........
Take a look at the main religions of this world. Every single one of them will tell you that you will be "rewarded" in Heaven if you live your life the right way on Earth.
So that's the incentive? To do "good" so that you will get your reward? Are we a bunch of Pavlov's Dogs or something?
NO!
If you take a look at the Islamic extremists, they recruit and teach people that if they martyr themselves, they will be "rewarded" in Heaven. Well what better way to recruit people than to give them an "out" from this world? After all, don't we all deal with adversity every single day of our lives? What if you were told by someone that if you killed yourself in the name of the most high....that you would be taken from this place and given a throne in paradise?
What incentive would you have left to remain here?
It is human nature to remove ourselves from pain rather than deal with pain forthright. I will guarantee you that every single one of these "martyrs" are choosing to become a "martyr" because they view it as a way off of this piece of crap rock.
A way of choosing suicide as an easy out so that they don't have to deal with things on this planet anymore.
It's not just been happening recently. Christians did the same thing years ago. The only difference is that they were willing to die upon a cross...thereby causing more pain...to do so.
Every religion teaches that suicide is the ultimate sin....yet those same religions teach that suicide in the name of martyrdom grants you a place in paradise for eternity.
WHAT A CROCK
Here's the deal: Live your life every day and treat everyone that you come in contact with the SAME WAY that you would like to be treated in return. There is no ritual. There is no "code" that you need to live by, no magic words to say, nothing.
If only those who have been "saved" and have accepted Jesus as their savior are the only ones who get into Heaven, then what about those who have never heard His message? Are they just out of luck?
If the people in that group spent their entire lives treating people with love and kindness, yet haven't even heard the name of Jesus Christ, would they be unwelcome in Heaven?
Don't follow what someone else says is the right way. You KNOW already what is the right way. It doesn't matter what religion you follow. If you treat the person across from you with respect and kindness then you are doing the right thing.
If you treat the person across from you with respect and kindness and in the back of your mind you are thinking, "If I do this, I will be rewarded" then you are NOT doing the right thing.
Do right because right is the right thing to do.
Your only reward should be the return of friendship from the person across from you.
thank you for taking the time to write.. You my friend are a Gentalmen/woman and a Scholar... I have chosen not to choose a religion and be confined to their teachings. I choose to be spiritual because when your spirtual you try to look at things from a broader perspective. One reason I choose not to be considered a "Christian' is because of there years of persecution and killing. There are others but I just dont want to be associated with someone you dont have to be associated wit to get to heaven when u know they killed and murdered because people wanted to go their own way. Ya get what im saying?
one religion is not 100% correct which enforcese the statement aboutNo religion is higher then the truth..
Thanks again for posting
QUOTE(Something Like Laughter @ Apr 13 2006, 08:06 AM) [snapback]1145695[/snapback]
acts 11:26, 26:28, and 1 peter 4:16
biblegateway.com search FTW
I have never found the word Christian in the Bible. Thank you for pointing that out to be.
Question... when peopel say that christianity is the one way .. do they stop to realize that Jesus was a Jew?
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Apr 13 2006, 08:22 AM) [snapback]1145703[/snapback]
Christianity is older than Judaism.
Christianity began before the fall of the Temple and Judaism began after the Temple fell.
Before that they did not call themselves Jews, they called themselves sons of Abraham, Hebrews. There were four main Hebrew sects, Sadduceeds, Pharisees, Essenes, and Nazarenes. Jesus was a Nazareen. His name was Yeshua ben Yoseph.
Many of them lived in Judea and were called Judeans, but not Jews.
I can solve this one easily I think .. How can Christianity (christ follower) be older then the religion that CHRIST WAS
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 13 2006, 03:44 PM) [snapback]1146252[/snapback]
Why must you think that just because others have their own way to follow their God..why must they be wrong????...If you believe your God is the one and only thats fine...but if others that also believe in the same god in heaven...but their faith is a lil different...whats so wrong with that??? I mean if you where born and raised a muslim..you would say the christians have it wrong...this dont make it so...No one knows what the true faith is and all anyone can do is hope and trust/believe...
BINGO
QUOTE(Gods forever Servant @ Apr 13 2006, 09:21 PM) [snapback]1146311[/snapback]
I can solve this one easily I think .. How can Christianity (christ follower) be older then the religion that CHRIST WAS
Thats a good question LOL how can it be older since there was no such thing before he was hear and when he was here...this is weird
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 13 2006, 07:08 PM) [snapback]1146492[/snapback]
Thats a good question LOL how can it be older since there was no such thing before he was hear and when he was here...this is weird
hahaha
I totaly agree with "Gods servant".
It is ridicoulus to claim that Cristianity is older than Judaism.
Judaism is the oldest and first monotestic religion. It was the, let us say the first mas movement in to the - only one God- direction.
Jesus came, not to promote Christianity, but to bring back the faith in God.
Islam is the culmination of the continuiti in beliving in only one God, the last atempt.
Some will not agree with that, but every opinion should be respected.
Al monoteistic religions have one and the same root. The religion of Abraham, who was neither a Jew, Cristian or Moslem, but a Servant of God.
It is ridicoulus to claim that Cristianity is older than Judaism.
Judaism is the oldest and first monotestic religion. It was the, let us say the first mas movement in to the - only one God- direction.
Jesus came, not to promote Christianity, but to bring back the faith in God.
Islam is the culmination of the continuiti in beliving in only one God, the last atempt.
Some will not agree with that, but every opinion should be respected.
Al monoteistic religions have one and the same root. The religion of Abraham, who was neither a Jew, Cristian or Moslem, but a Servant of God.
i think what bella is trying to say is that christianity is older than rabbinic judaism. rabbinic judaism is not the same as the religion one would find in first century judea. rabbinic judaism incorporates the talmud into its teachings. it was finally written down in the fourth century, although much of it existed as oral tradition before that, probably even some in the first century. it is in the religion one would find in first century judea, not rabbinic judaism, that Jesus is to be placed and understood.
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Apr 13 2006, 11:44 PM) [snapback]1145774[/snapback]
or are you admitting that you have never read the so-called "Old Testament"? Do you know anything about history or linguistics? Can we have a moment of "duh"?.................
Since you are ignorant, aparently, of anything other than what the church teaches, I have quoted the dictionary site at length. Please check a dictionary before you post something ignorant, and then maybe you will learn something.
QUOTE(Gods forever Servant @ Apr 14 2006, 06:19 AM) [snapback]1146309[/snapback]
Question... when peopel say that christianity is the one way .. do they stop to realize that Jesus was a Jew?
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 13 2006, 11:29 PM) [snapback]1146757[/snapback]
I don't recall anyone saying "duh" or making allusions to ignorance to the original poster when it was pointed out that "CHristian" is indeed written 3 times in the NEw Testament.
she said that xianity was older than Judaiasm. She said that the word "Jew" didn't exist until rabbinical Judiaism. this was just ignorant. I will not put up with xians who have never opened the "old testament". how can you be an xian and know nothing about the predecessor faith? Yes, the statement was based on ignorance.
Uhh... Hehehe... This may sound awkward, but what exactly is a "Xian?"
QUOTE(Something Like Laughter @ Apr 13 2006, 09:30 PM) [snapback]1146616[/snapback]
i think what bella is trying to say is that christianity is older than rabbinic judaism. rabbinic judaism is not the same as the religion one would find in first century judea. rabbinic judaism incorporates the talmud into its teachings. it was finally written down in the fourth century, although much of it existed as oral tradition before that, probably even some in the first century. it is in the religion one would find in first century judea, not rabbinic judaism, that Jesus is to be placed and understood.
which is why we can prove the n.t. is an anachronistic forgery, since they call him "rabbi".
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Uhh... Hehehe... This may sound awkward, but what exactly is a "Xian?"
a shortcut to typing out the whole word "Christian".
Religion causes death, violence and degradation in this world. ABANDON ALL RELIGION TO TRULY LIVE IN PEACE.
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Apr 14 2006, 02:01 PM) [snapback]1146790[/snapback]
she said that xianity was older than Judaiasm. She said that the word "Jew" didn't exist until rabbinical Judiaism. this was just ignorant. I will not put up with xians who have never opened the "old testament". how can you be an xian and know nothing about the predecessor faith? Yes, the statement was based on ignorance.
But you can put up with people who rubbish the Bible, even though they've never read it.... period? The original poster said that the word Christian doesn't appear in the BIble. I wasn't sure, so I left it at discussing the concept of what a "Christian" is, regardless of what they may call themselves. Someone decided to do a check, and found that it does, three times.
What's the difference? Why is the original poster let through, but the Christian ridiculed for their statement?
Try a little tolerance some time. Not everyone can know absolultely everything.
Regards, PA
QUOTE(DeathBringer @ Apr 13 2006, 10:28 PM) [snapback]1146816[/snapback]
Religion causes death, violence and degradation in this world. ABANDON ALL RELIGION TO TRULY LIVE IN PEACE.
nero gave christians the name, that is what he called the followers of jesus...which is what it means, followers of christ. and how could judas have written a gospel when he killed himself when jesus was crucified....that is so ridiculous and they say it was written around 150 ad or something....ok whatever.
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 13 2006, 11:29 PM) [snapback]1146757[/snapback]
I don't recall anyone saying "duh"or making allusions to ignorance to the original poste when it was pointed out that "CHristian" is indeed written 3 times in the NEw Testament.
Yes. But then, the Pharisees were Jews also. And Jesus condemned them.
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 14 2006, 12:50 AM) [snapback]1146842[/snapback]
But you can put up with people who rubbish the Bible, even though they've never read it.... period? The original poster said that the word Christian doesn't appear in the BIble. I wasn't sure, so I left it at discussing the concept of what a "Christian" is, regardless of what they may call themselves. Someone decided to do a check, and found that it does, three times.
What's the difference? Why is the original poster let through, but the Christian ridiculed for their statement?
Try a little tolerance some time. Not everyone can know absolultely everything.
Regards, PA
you had said not everyone can know absolutely everything. That doesn't mean I dont open the new testament.
I mean really I posted what I thought... which I was wrong. Does that call for calling me igorant? You say try a little tolerance because everyone cannot absolutely knwo everything... so how about you try alittle tolerance on me for making a simple mistake. Its easy to not come across 3 phrases of the word Christian.. So instead of calling my statements rubbishing the bible.. how about you get mad at the people who mistranslated and edited the Bible. 
Whoa, hold back a little mate. I wasn't ridiculing you, nor calling you ignorant or insulting you in any way. Gideon was picking on Bella for saying something about the Old Testament, I was only trying to understand why he was doing so. Please don't read insults into my post that weren't there.
Regards, PA
Regards, PA
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nero gave christians the name,
The term "Christian" has an uncertain origin. As Edwin Freed (Emeritus Professor of Religion, Gettysburg College) states in the Oxford Companion to the Bible:
Christian. According to Acts 11.26, Jesus’ disciples were first called Christians in Antioch. Elsewhere in the New Testament the word “Christian” occurs in Acts 26.28 and 1 Peter 4.14–16.
The origin of the term “Christian” is uncertain. It comprises the word “Christ,” the Greek word meaning “anointed one” (See Messiah) with an ending meaning “followers of” or “partisans of.” Jews who did not accept Jesus as the Messiah would hardly refer to Jesus’ disciples as Christians—the Messiah’s followers. According to Acts 24.5, such Jews referred to Jesus’ followers as “the sect of the Nazarenes,” apparently regarding Christians as a Jewish group.
Because followers of Jesus used “saints” (2 Corinthians 1.1; Romans 12.13; Acts 9.13; Acts 9.32), “brothers” (1 Corinthians 1.10; Romans 1.13; Acts 1.16), “the Way” (Acts 9.2; Acts 19.9), “disciples” (often in the Gospels; Acts 6.1–2; Acts 11.26), and other designations when referring to themselves, it is unlikely that the term “Christian” originated among Christians.
In Acts 26.28 Agrippa uses “Christian” sarcastically; in 1 Peter 4.14–16 it is a term of reproach used during persecution. Thus, the term seems to have been derogatory. The contemporary Roman historians Tacitus (Annals 15.44) and Suetonius (Lives of the Caesars 6.16) use the term that way. Tacitus refers to Christians as people hated for their evil deeds, and Suetonius calls them “a new and evil superstition.”
If first applied to Jesus’ followers in Antioch, Roman officials may have coined the word to distinguish the Christian group from Judaism. Perhaps “Christian” was used to designate the Christian movement as hostile toward Agrippa. No matter where the term originated, it was first a word of scorn or ridicule. But by the end of the first century CE Christians accepted the name as a comforting sign of God’s glory (1 Peter 4.14–16; Ignatius, Romans 3.2).
Sean
Rome did a lot of naming that stuck. They also called the Judeans the Jews.
The Nazarenes and the Pharisees called themselves The Sons of Abraham.
Abraham was Hebrew, he did not use the title of Jew. Moses also used the title Hebrew.
When Jesus was mockingly called King of the Jews by the Romans, it meant he was being called the King of Judea, implying his was a politcal execution and not a religious one which would had to have been done by the Sandhedrin. The Sandhedrin wanted Rome get rid of him for them.
The Nazarenes were the Hebrews who founded Christianity and the Pharisees were the Hebrews who founded Judaism.
Here is a timeline to help see the process.
Early Christian Period of Development: 30-311 CE (Nazarenes)
Rabbinic Jewish Period of Talmud Development: 70-400/600 CE (Pharisees)
First Jewish Revolt against Rome: 66-73
Destruction of Jerusalem and the second Temple: 70
Establishment of Jewish center for study at Yavneh/Jamnia
(Yohanan ben Zakkai), with rabbinic ordination: ca. 73
Gamaliel II excludes sectarians (including Christians) from the synagogues: ca. 90-100
Writings (third and last division of Jewish Scriptures) discussed and accepted as sacred scripture: ca. 90-150
Jewish Revolts against Rome outside Palestine: 114-117
Aqiba/Akiba active in consolidating Rabbinic Judaism: 120-135
Bar Kokhba rebellion (Second Jewish Revolt): 132-135
Jerusalem renamed, Jews forbidden to dwell there
Mishnah compiled/edited under Judah the Prince: ca. 200
Sporadic persecution of Christianity by Rome: to 311
Origen (Christian scholar, biblical interpreter): fl. 200-254
Babylonian Jewish Academy founded at Sura by Rab: ca. 220
Members of the other two large Hebrew religious groups, the Essenes and the Sadducees dissolved as independent groups. It appears many former Sadducees became Jewish and many former Essenes became Christian in some scholars opinions. Both the Essenes and the Sadducees were very much Temple based faiths. The Sadducees were the priesthood that controled the Temple and the Essenes believed they were the ones who should be controling the Temple as the rightful priesthood. When the Temple was destroyed it ended up destroying both these two groups.
The Nazarenes and the Pharisees called themselves The Sons of Abraham.
Abraham was Hebrew, he did not use the title of Jew. Moses also used the title Hebrew.
When Jesus was mockingly called King of the Jews by the Romans, it meant he was being called the King of Judea, implying his was a politcal execution and not a religious one which would had to have been done by the Sandhedrin. The Sandhedrin wanted Rome get rid of him for them.
The Nazarenes were the Hebrews who founded Christianity and the Pharisees were the Hebrews who founded Judaism.
Here is a timeline to help see the process.
Early Christian Period of Development: 30-311 CE (Nazarenes)
Rabbinic Jewish Period of Talmud Development: 70-400/600 CE (Pharisees)
First Jewish Revolt against Rome: 66-73
Destruction of Jerusalem and the second Temple: 70
Establishment of Jewish center for study at Yavneh/Jamnia
(Yohanan ben Zakkai), with rabbinic ordination: ca. 73
Gamaliel II excludes sectarians (including Christians) from the synagogues: ca. 90-100
Writings (third and last division of Jewish Scriptures) discussed and accepted as sacred scripture: ca. 90-150
Jewish Revolts against Rome outside Palestine: 114-117
Aqiba/Akiba active in consolidating Rabbinic Judaism: 120-135
Bar Kokhba rebellion (Second Jewish Revolt): 132-135
Jerusalem renamed, Jews forbidden to dwell there
Mishnah compiled/edited under Judah the Prince: ca. 200
Sporadic persecution of Christianity by Rome: to 311
Origen (Christian scholar, biblical interpreter): fl. 200-254
Babylonian Jewish Academy founded at Sura by Rab: ca. 220
Members of the other two large Hebrew religious groups, the Essenes and the Sadducees dissolved as independent groups. It appears many former Sadducees became Jewish and many former Essenes became Christian in some scholars opinions. Both the Essenes and the Sadducees were very much Temple based faiths. The Sadducees were the priesthood that controled the Temple and the Essenes believed they were the ones who should be controling the Temple as the rightful priesthood. When the Temple was destroyed it ended up destroying both these two groups.
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... and the Pharisees were the Hebrews who founded Judaism.
Bella, from where are you obtaining your information? The Pharisees founded Judaism? The Pharisees were just one of many sects within Judaism and not the founders thereof. The origins of this religion are centuries older than the Pharisees. This sect--and many more--were much later developments. Abraham is supposed to have been the founder of Judaism somewhere around the 20th century? B.C.E. (obviously disputed by scholars now).
Again, from where are you obtaining your information? Please provide links.
Sean
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 15 2006, 05:33 AM) [snapback]1148360[/snapback]
Whoa, hold back a little mate. I wasn't ridiculing you, nor calling you ignorant or insulting you in any way. Gideon was picking on Bella for saying something about the Old Testament, I was only trying to understand why he was doing so. Please don't read insults into my post that weren't there.
Regards, PA
Well you have to admit it sures does seem liek you were insulting my smarts here.. but were all good here
take a class in religion and they all teach the same thing....that Nero gave christians the name Christians
QUOTE(Something Like Laughter @ Apr 13 2006, 12:06 PM) [snapback]1145695[/snapback]
acts 11:26, 26:28, and 1 peter 4:16
biblegateway.com search FTW
Gods forever Servant:
Did you see this post? I sincerely hope Something Like Laughter answered your question. This name occurs three times in the New Testament. Booyah!
1) Acts 11: 26
2) Acts 26:28
3) 1Peter 4:16
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take a class in religion and they all teach the same thing....that Nero gave christians the name Christians
I have ... Bachelor of Science, History & Classics (Double Major), Ball State University. Area of study: Greco-Roman Culture, Early Christianity, Middle Ages ... And never have I heard of such a thing. From where are you obtaining your information? Please provide the quote, book title, and the name of the author.
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