Today I as looking through the newly translated text of the Judas gospel.
As I was reading, the Da Vinci code came to my mind. In one of the passages from the Judas gospel, Judas had a vision, as follows. In the vision I saw myself, as the 12 disciples were stoning me and persecuting (me severely).If so, there were 12 disciples stoning Judas, and Judas himself was a disciple, that makes 13 disciples? That lead me back to the Da Vinci code and the other so called Gnostic gospels, could the 13th disciple be the one and only Mary Magdalene?
Now for all the UFO buffs, the Judas gospel also had another passage, as follows,
Look, you have been told everything. Lift up your eyes and look at the cloud and the light within it and the stars surrounding it. The star that leads the way is your star. Judas lifted his eyes and saw the luminous cloud, and he entered it.If that doesn’t describe a UFO what does? What do you think?

It probably meant that he was being accepted to heaven.

there was a 13th apostle, his name was rufus!

honestly, this text is from when? 3rd or 4th century? a couple hundred years after the event?

does it take away anything from "jesus dying for your sins?"

When the gospel says that Judas is being stoned by 12 apostles, he could be including himself. He did feel very badly about what he had done (thus committing suicide) and it would make sense that he "hurt" himself just as the others did. Possibly both verbally and physically.

There is a great story about a luminous cloud that drifted down over a large military attatchment during a war that was observed by the enemy troops. When the cloud lifted all of the attatchment was gone.
I cannot remember if this happend in Afghanistan, or Africa, or somewhere else. I have not read it in a very long time, but it is a good piece.
Maybe someone else also read it and can find it or remember more about it.

Do you have a link to this story?

OK, lets start this one off !


1. Maybe Mary was an Apostle, it was possible, as much as it was possible that Mary and Jesus were married and had kids, its human instinct to reproduce.

2. If Judas did have a vision, he could have been Jesus's confidant in the entire prophecy.

3. I've heard a lot of things pertaining to UFOs in the bible, I've watched a bunch of UFOs in the bible on History CHannel, and there are a lot of things that sound like that, which to me is kinda interesting, kinda a take on David Icke's theory, about being a God Civilization that brought us here from another planet, and there was a war between good people and bad people of the civilization, and the bad ones got sent to Planet X (Hell) and they then created the Greys and sent a few of themselves and greys to Earth to Hybridize us to get back at the God Civilization, then the Nordics(those who didn't take sides in the war, blonde haired giants) came to earth cuz they wanted to be with women, so now we have the Illuminati, and various other groups being run by the Devils followers and stuff.

Just a bunch of weird stuff ! Anyway, back on topic, yeah, I think Judas could have had visions about the ramifications of what he had to do, he had to give up Jesus for the prophecies.

Huh, thats a good question. Unluck 13?

i want ppl to write on this so im upping it

My Father-In-Law is a Minister and he told me the other day that after Judas betrayed Jesus he was cast out from the rest of the Apostles. Then another Apostle was chosen from the disciples and follwers of Jesus. I don't remember which one was the new Apostle, I think it was Paul. I wasn't listening to closely. Sorry.

I won't discount the possibility that Mary was one of Jesus' disciples, but I've always been told that the Apostles were all men.

And it says right on the book that the Da Vinci Code is a work of fiction. Just enough elements of truth have been included to make people wonder. There are elements of truth in the X-Files, but I'm sure that is a work of fiction too.

The X-Files was fake? Say it isn't so.
If Judas committed suicide, and suicide is a huge sin, how come he was granted passage into Heaven? If that's what the story entails. Maybe the Minister's son could ask his father. It's a legit question. I would like to know.

Does anyone of you know that Islam is just continuation of ancient chrisitianity and there were Jesus in moslem Holly Book? That book is just as same as original and no single letter was changed. Have you read that book and what happend to Jesus in this book?

Make comparation with Yuda Gospel folks.

From what I understand, Jesus died for ALL sins for EveryOne! Including the suicide of Judas. Many Protestants will say that as long as you seek repentance you are clear. The trick with suicide is it is hard to repent if you die too quickly. (shrug) Didn't you see Constantine???

I'd guess Judas could have been Forgiven if he Repented just before he died. I know he was regretfull of what he did, but who knows what happened at the end.

Wasn't this Gospel of Judas written like 100 years after Jesus died? Could be there were a lot of things like this that couldn't be explained and so that is why it was left out of what would be the New Testament. I haven't read it yet, maybe never will.


One of the main differences between Christianity and Islam is that Jesus said he had one commandment, "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." or something similar. Sorry I don't know it exactly. In Islam the command of God as given by Mohammed is the Forced convertion or death of the infidel.

The infidel is us folks!

I reckon that Jesus and the apostles were all potheads…….

This statement is about to be my downfall but hey…..

The fact that all the great civilisations have always been controlled via drugs and alcohol is pretty much a hidden truth.

I’ve never read the bible but as I understand the world things don’t change much do they. Yep technology is the only thing that changes but the way the world is governed has stayed the same since the dawn of civilisation.

Jesus as I understand it, disappeared of the scene for a while and as I’ve never read the bible ( never will ) I take it that he had some years in the wilderness? In that I see jesus as an outcast and in that he then went about his business as he saw fit. He travelled the world and visited other cultures as to get a better measure of what his purpose/destiny was dictating.

I see the whole apostle thing as it happens in today’s society. A band of brothers enlightened through the exacting properties of drugs.

There seems to be so many references to clouds and in that it becomes apparent that these guys enjoyed a smoke or two…..

For those who have never experience the sacred weed believe me when I say it can put you on high just as the words are found in the sacred texts.

Its an elevating experience and for some it puts you beyond the minds of mere mortals. To become enlightened is to become a drop out. All these hero’s found in the scriptures spoke the same language and saw things from an elevated sense of prophetic position.

Don’t think it was so much a UFO, more like the power of the spliff.

Jesus to me resembles something of a shaman and his observations of the past the present and the future gave rise to a more complexed sense of the rational.

Judas had to play his part as did Jesus as did the rest of them as Jesus was on ‘most high’ and his mind could always go farther than anyone else’s when fuelled by the sacred weed……

C’mon, it makes more sense than most of the holier than thou garbage that is put forward by the later day saints…..

He was a good kid who saw the world through the eyes of a pothead. The world was most definitely fuelled by narcotics and all the greats we find in history used one form or another. From alcohol to opiates they exploited something and in that found the key to enlightenment....

Okay, here comes the back lash, I’m ready……

I have read the New Testament, and NO Jesus never wandered off into the wilderness for an extended period of time (he fasted, alone for 40 days, thats about it).
You're referring to John the Baptist.

Paul did not replace Judas. Matthias did. Paul came on the scene later.

My take on the Judas book is that it's gnostic, and was written quite some time after Judas was dead. It's Pseudepigrapha - text written by someone other then the author it's attributed to. I wouldn't take it seriously.

The whole bible is Pseudepigrapha.... the entire bible was written by others than what its atributed to. I don't take any of it seriously. Rather I take it as fictional story to guide you in the right direction.

We are all entitled to our own opinions.

The main reason for calling certain books Pseudepigrapha is the dating. If a book was written a century after a person died, and was attributed to that person, then clearly it's Pseudepigrapha. Unless Judas was writing as a ghost, which I highly doubt.

I agree, but the whole of the bible was written a good century after Christs death, as for the Gospel of Judas, its been time dated to around 350-400 AD. So given the facts, both the gospel and the bible are hard pressed to convince me of its authenticity.

I found it and posted the story under Urban Legends, the lost Battalion.

I'm certainly not trying to convince you of anything, but how much research did you do into this before forming the opinion you have? The whole of the bible was written after Jesus' death? I've read that the books have various dates, especially the old trestament books, which were ALL written before Jesus was even born. He quoted from them! The Jews used those ancient texts in teaching and worship. So, clearly those books were not written anytime after Jesus died. Also, the New Testament is a quite a bit smaller then the Old- maybe a third the size, so how you came up with the whole of the bible being written a good century after Jesus died is rather amusing.

Anyways, at some point today I'm going to look up the dates on the NT text, just to satisfy my own interest.

I've done a ton of reasearch on this subject, just to satisfy my need for conspiracy. The New Testament was written over 100 years after Jesus. The Old Testament was before Jesus' time on Earth. I never said the OT was after Jesus. I didn't come up with the NT being written 100 years AD.

The New Testament (Καινή Διαθήκη), sometimes called the Greek Testament or Greek Scriptures, and sometimes also New Covenant, is the name given to the part of the Christian Bible that was written by various authors c. AD 48–140 and gradually collected into a single volume over the next few centuries. Some minor groups commonly refers to the New Testament as the B'rit Chadashah, Hebrew for New Covenant, or the Apostolic Writings.

I never said the WHOLE bible was written after Jesus' Death, I was generalizing, and didn't assume someone would read into it.

source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament