CongressmanReality
Apr 14 2006, 08:41 PM
I dont have time for in depth view at the moment, but this is the basics:
GOD created all religions, Islam, Christianity, Hindu, Pagenism, Judism, ect.....
His final test is to see if we (Humans) will ever become enlightned enough (smart enough) to figure out that its all BS. GOD even created GOD, or the thought of GOD.
All relgions pretty much end the same way: You are good, you die and go to a "paradise"
You are bad, you die and go to an eternity of torture.
Maybe those are the only 2 truths....I'm not saying that if you live your life as a christian/muslim/jew and die that you will go to heaven or hell...what I'm saying is...it doesnt matter....good is good....evil is evil.....the ones who kill and murder in the name of religon will go to hell, because they missed the point.
One day, we will figure out that all relgions actually worship the same GOD who is testing us, or will all abandon religoin all together, I dont think God cares one way or the other....
Ok i'll stop rambling....
Imaginary Friend
Apr 14 2006, 10:45 PM
odas
Apr 15 2006, 02:40 AM
Yup. Simple as that, Congressman. We have the ten comandmans which are the same for Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Others have simmilar guidelines.
The message: BE AND DO GOOD TO YOU AND OTHERS.
No, realy, it is to complicated to understand it.
SAMURAI-X
Apr 15 2006, 02:53 AM
Well said congressman,I always asked myself if i grew up somewhere else we will say japan and did not grow up to be christian would I be in the wrong because i worshipped a different kind of god, would i go to hell even if i was good? I like your point of view on the subject
Beckys_Mom
Apr 15 2006, 02:56 AM
QUOTE(CongressmanReality @ Apr 14 2006, 09:41 PM) [snapback]1147668[/snapback]
I dont have time for in depth view at the moment, but this is the basics:
GOD created all religions, Islam, Christianity, Hindu, Pagenism, Judism, ect.....
His final test is to see if we (Humans) will ever become enlightned enough (smart enough) to figure out that its all BS. GOD even created GOD, or the thought of GOD.
All relgions pretty much end the same way: You are good, you die and go to a "paradise"
You are bad, you die and go to an eternity of torture.
Maybe those are the only 2 truths....I'm not saying that if you live your life as a christian/muslim/jew and die that you will go to heaven or hell...what I'm saying is...it doesnt matter....good is good....evil is evil.....the ones who kill and murder in the name of religon will go to hell, because they missed the point.
One day, we will figure out that all relgions actually worship the same GOD who is testing us, or will all abandon religoin all together, I dont think God cares one way or the other....
Ok i'll stop rambling....
God didnt create all religions...man did...religions are man made
Avinash_Tyagi
Apr 15 2006, 03:04 AM
QUOTE(CongressmanReality @ Apr 14 2006, 04:41 PM) [snapback]1147668[/snapback]
All relgions pretty much end the same way: You are good, you die and go to a "paradise"
You are bad, you die and go to an eternity of torture.
Actually I don't think all religions believe in eternal torment, I think Hinduism and Buddhism for example lack any such belief.
Tengu
Apr 15 2006, 03:08 AM
QUOTE(Avinash_Tyagi @ Apr 14 2006, 10:04 PM) [snapback]1148105[/snapback]
Actually I don't think all religions believe in eternal torment, I think Hinduism and Buddhism for example lack any such belief.
I was raised Jehovah's Witness and they also lack that belief. They claim that you either get to live in everlasting life in paradise or you are just...dead...gone...asleep...whatever. But really he is basically correct. The idea of most religions/philosophies is to live your life to the best of your ability and in the end reach happiness not only with who you are and what you have accomplished in your life but also in your afterlife. Whatever that might be.....
ZEeSh@n (Is) Back
Apr 15 2006, 09:35 AM
God sent Four Religions........3 Of them Survived Judaism, Christianity and Islam. They are all connected....in Beliefs....in History etc....
What do u think...
ZEeSh@n (Is) Back
Apr 15 2006, 09:37 AM
God sent Four Religions........3 Of them Survived Judaism, Christianity and Islam. They are all connected....in Beliefs....in History etc....
What do u think...
The Message of God came Four Times or more everytime it came it was more Advanced and Detailed....like Mr. Bill Gates Release Windows New Editions.....The Final Version which was Last was Islam......
Tell me Your Views Friends.....
Zeeshan ahmed
SEARCHER 7
Apr 16 2006, 04:29 PM
QUOTE(captainx32 @ Apr 15 2006, 04:37 PM) [snapback]1148362[/snapback]
God sent Four Religions........3 Of them Survived Judaism, Christianity and Islam. They are all connected....in Beliefs....in History etc....
What do u think...
The Message of God came Four Times or more everytime it came it was more Advanced and Detailed....like Mr. Bill Gates Release Windows New Editions.....The Final Version which was Last was Islam......
Tell me Your Views Friends.....
Zeeshan ahmed
Jewish faithful have split into many sects. Christians have more arguments than anyone else and Islam is still being interpreted by Sufis, Sunnies and Shia and then there are the fundamentalists. So i would hazard a guess that god is not very good at getting the message across is he? Either that or the prophets are a bit deaf?
The fourth religion? Atheism the fifth, antitheism?
zandore
Apr 16 2006, 05:54 PM
QUOTE(captainx32 @ Apr 15 2006, 05:35 AM) [snapback]1148361[/snapback]
God sent Four Religions........3 Of them Survived Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

What was the fourth religion?
Psychokinesis
Apr 16 2006, 06:20 PM
QUOTE(Avinash_Tyagi @ Apr 15 2006, 03:04 AM) [snapback]1148105[/snapback]
Actually I don't think all religions believe in eternal torment, I think Hinduism and Buddhism for example lack any such belief.
Exactly. Here's some links with info.
HinduismBuddhism
zandore
Apr 16 2006, 06:33 PM
25. The concept of Hell(s) in Buddhism is very different from that of other religions. It is not a place for eternal damnation as viewed by 'almighty creator' religions. In Buddhism, it is just one of the six realms in Samsara [i.e. the worst of three undesirable realms]. Also, there are virtually unlimited number of hells in the Buddhist cosmology as there are infinite number of Buddha worlds.Buddanet.net
Psychokinesis
Apr 16 2006, 11:22 PM
QUOTE(zandore @ Apr 16 2006, 06:33 PM) [snapback]1150027[/snapback]
25. The concept of Hell(s) in Buddhism is very different from that of other religions. It is not a place for eternal damnation as viewed by 'almighty creator' religions. In Buddhism, it is just one of the six realms in Samsara [i.e. the worst of three undesirable realms]. Also, there are virtually unlimited number of hells in the Buddhist cosmology as there are infinite number of Buddha worlds.Buddanet.net Good quote, pretty much sums it up.
Beckys_Mom
Apr 16 2006, 11:33 PM
QUOTE(Imaginary Friend @ Apr 14 2006, 11:45 PM) [snapback]1147828[/snapback]
Thats me come 7pm every friday evening....cuz thats when I finish work untill the following Wed...YAY!!!
Box
Apr 16 2006, 11:38 PM
Religion is from the time before science and fact, i think it's just a primative explanation for life, and as for the commandments n stuff surely thats just a sort of 'keep the peace' thing.
Trix
Apr 16 2006, 11:56 PM
I believe u!!
but i wonder if god changes his apperence? like if ur a buddist u'll be worshipping a 2000 lbs and if ur a christian its a man with a beard
Reincarnated
Apr 16 2006, 11:57 PM
QUOTE(Box @ Apr 16 2006, 11:38 PM) [snapback]1150380[/snapback]
Religion is from the time before science
How does something come before science?
Box
Apr 17 2006, 12:03 AM
Before they could explain things with science then! They had so little knowledge of what was really goin on around them, an allmighty creator was all they could come up with back then!
Paranoid Android
Apr 17 2006, 01:19 AM
QUOTE(zandore @ Apr 17 2006, 04:33 AM) [snapback]1150027[/snapback]
25. The concept of Hell(s) in Buddhism is very different from that of other religions. It is not a place for eternal damnation as viewed by 'almighty creator' religions. In Buddhism, it is just one of the six realms in Samsara [i.e. the worst of three undesirable realms]. Also, there are virtually unlimited number of hells in the Buddhist cosmology as there are infinite number of Buddha worlds.Buddanet.net Hell isn't eternal damnation in many CHristian denominations either.
Reincarnated
Apr 17 2006, 03:56 AM
QUOTE(Box @ Apr 17 2006, 12:03 AM) [snapback]1150417[/snapback]
Before they could explain things with science then! They had so little knowledge of what was really goin on around them, an allmighty creator was all they could come up with back then!
Thought you meant something else.
stargazer123
Apr 17 2006, 04:36 AM
QUOTE(CongressmanReality @ Apr 14 2006, 04:41 PM) [snapback]1147668[/snapback]
I dont have time for in depth view at the moment, but this is the basics:
GOD created all religions, Islam, Christianity, Hindu, Pagenism, Judism, ect.....
His final test is to see if we (Humans) will ever become enlightned enough (smart enough) to figure out that its all BS. GOD even created GOD, or the thought of GOD.
All relgions pretty much end the same way: You are good, you die and go to a "paradise"
You are bad, you die and go to an eternity of torture.
Maybe those are the only 2 truths....I'm not saying that if you live your life as a christian/muslim/jew and die that you will go to heaven or hell...what I'm saying is...it doesnt matter....good is good....evil is evil.....the ones who kill and murder in the name of religon will go to hell, because they missed the point.
One day, we will figure out that all relgions actually worship the same GOD who is testing us, or will all abandon religoin all together, I dont think God cares one way or the other....
Ok i'll stop rambling....
The only truth I know is love. Religion is someone else's truth therefore perhaps they go to their individual Heaven and Hell based on their truths. As for me, when my heart stops ticking one day I'd rather linger in perfect love without expectations of Heaven or Hell.....
SEARCHER 7
Apr 17 2006, 11:39 AM
QUOTE(stargazer123 @ Apr 17 2006, 11:36 AM) [snapback]1150804[/snapback]
The only truth I know is love. Religion is someone else's truth therefore perhaps they go to their individual Heaven and Hell based on their truths. As for me, when my heart stops ticking one day I'd rather linger in perfect love without expectations of Heaven or Hell.....
Truth is love. Could you tell me more about this philosophy and how it works.
Unless you are just having one of those "i'm at peace with the world", moments. Then no need to reply
Johnny Truant
Apr 17 2006, 11:50 AM
But all religions have their "little" rules that you have to follow. Rules that differ from religion to religion. Usually being good is not enough. You have to have FAITH in God, and the fact that Jesus died for you and your sins, not just be good.
Box
Apr 17 2006, 11:53 AM
But what if there really is no god? personally i dont believe in anything, and if this really is the case then people are placing thei faith with, well, nothing! And people who dedicate their lives to their religion are really wasting their life on nothing. As for an afterlife, its nice to think there may be such a place, but if there isnt then just live while youre alive.
Paranoid Android
Apr 17 2006, 12:01 PM
QUOTE(UTDAiden @ Apr 17 2006, 09:50 PM) [snapback]1151074[/snapback]
But all religions have their "little" rules that you have to follow. Rules that differ from religion to religion. Usually being good is not enough. You have to have FAITH in God, and the fact that Jesus died for you and your sins, not just be good.
What does it mean to be "good" though? WHat I think is good and what you think is good are completley relative. So which is right, is the question I guess. That's where God steps in. Appealing to higher authority, a God-figure would imply a set of universal morals. So then it's a case of what that god says is "good" or "bad".
Of course, groups and individual's over the course of Ages have abused that authority. In the guise of organized religion, in extremists, fundamentalists and cult leaders, individuals have abused that authority and that right. The result is obvious, with extreme, often detrimental actions. Unfortunately this is something our world struggles with every day. We cannot tell people how to think. And so we will always have these problems.
The problem extends far beyond simple belief systems though, but I'll be going too far off-topic to go into that, so I'll leave it there, ok.
Regards, PA
Johnny Truant
Apr 17 2006, 12:07 PM
Well, what is "right"? What your God says? I don't think so.
And the Golden Rule doesn't quite cut it, either... S and M is an example. sh**, if I like to get slapped on my ass by a wooden paddle (which I might), does that mean I can do it to everyone else?
stargazer123
Apr 17 2006, 12:18 PM
QUOTE(SEARCHER 7 @ Apr 17 2006, 07:39 AM) [snapback]1151063[/snapback]
Truth is love. Could you tell me more about this philosophy and how it works.
Unless you are just having one of those "i'm at peace with the world", moments. Then no need to reply

Hello Searcher.
Nope, its not having one of my blonde moments I promise.
Yes, I do think love is the core of life and not just feeling it or having it but living by it. Religion only complicates that message in my mind however I realize that some people need religion. I feel away from religion many years ago. It only served to help me feel as if there were conditions for God's love.
I believe that once you have real love that everything else falls away. You don't have to ask yourself whats right and wrong and what your morals are anymore. I do try to keep it in the fore front of my life and there are times I falter but love is perfect and people aren't and I'm trying to grow through it and with it in my heart.
Paranoid Android
Apr 17 2006, 12:28 PM
QUOTE(UTDAiden @ Apr 17 2006, 10:07 PM) [snapback]1151096[/snapback]
Well, what is "right"? What your God says? I don't think so.
And the Golden Rule doesn't quite cut it, either... S and M is an example. sh**, if I like to get slapped on my ass by a wooden paddle (which I might), does that mean I can do it to everyone else?
So where does that leave things? I'm willing to listen. Give me your reasoning - what is right and wrong? ANd what makes your opinion more valid than anyone else's. I didn't make my last post to say my God was right. I was making a general comment on all belief systems.
Regards, PA
Johnny Truant
Apr 17 2006, 12:38 PM
...who said my opinion was more valid?
Damn, dude, calm.
Paranoid Android
Apr 17 2006, 12:42 PM
QUOTE(UTDAiden @ Apr 17 2006, 10:38 PM) [snapback]1151131[/snapback]
...who said my opinion was more valid?
Damn, dude, calm.
I'm calm. I was asking a valid question. If all we need to do in life is be "good" people, then someone has to decide what "good" is. Relative morals make that impossible. So where does that leave us, was the question I was asking.
No sinister plot or angry murmers

Regards, PA
SEARCHER 7
Apr 17 2006, 01:40 PM
QUOTE(stargazer123 @ Apr 17 2006, 07:18 PM) [snapback]1151107[/snapback]
Hello Searcher. snipped...You don't have to ask yourself whats right and wrong and what your morals are anymore.
A person of questionable morals, ahem
Stargazer,I agree with your sentiments and i'm not just a hard-headed humanist atheist.
zandore
Apr 17 2006, 03:09 PM
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 16 2006, 09:19 PM) [snapback]1150509[/snapback]
Hell isn't eternal damnation in many CHristian denominations either.
AH the key word is MANY! Some yes but not all!
Thank you for helping me with that point
CongressmanReality
Jul 16 2006, 05:57 PM
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 14 2006, 10:56 PM) [snapback]1148099[/snapback]
God didnt create all religions...man did...religions are man made

well if god created man...man created religion....then technically god created religion...
same concept as the govt creating a virus...virus mutates to super virus...but the govt still created it....next thing your going to tell me is that GM isnt responsible for pontiac
demonic presence
Jul 16 2006, 06:17 PM
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All relgions pretty much end the same way: You are good, you die and go to a "paradise"You are bad, you die and go to an eternity of torture.
not all religions believe that actually......
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Maybe those are the only 2 truths....I'm not saying that if you live your life as a christian/muslim/jew and die that you will go to heaven or hell...what I'm saying is...it doesnt matter....good is good....evil is evil.....the ones who kill and murder in the name of religon will go to hell, because they missed the point.
good is good and evil is evil? i disagree, it all depends on your perspective, now dont get me worng murderers and stuff like that, yeah definetly evil, but some people consider things evil that others dont.
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One day, we will figure out that all relgions actually worship the same GOD who is testing us, or will all abandon religoin all together, I dont think God cares one way or the other....Ok i'll stop rambling....
i really dont think that will ever happen, people are too stuborn....
Box
Jul 16 2006, 06:49 PM
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well if god created man...man created religion....then technically god created religion...
What if god didnt create man...
exeller
Jul 16 2006, 06:58 PM
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I dont have time for in depth view at the moment, but this is the basics:
GOD created all religions, Islam, Christianity, Hindu, Pagenism, Judism, ect.....
His final test is to see if we (Humans) will ever become enlightned enough (smart enough) to figure out that its all BS. GOD even created GOD, or the thought of GOD.
What are you talkin about man? I can't make anything out of this random rambling. God created God? What religion sais that?
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All relgions pretty much end the same way: You are good, you die and go to a "paradise" You are bad, you die and go to an eternity of torture.
What about reincarnation?
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the ones who kill and murder in the name of religon will go to hell,
Damn right
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I dont think God cares one way or the other....
Ok i'll stop rambling....
Why wouldn't God care
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