RamboIII
Apr 17 2006, 09:34 PM
I'm not one who is a ghost fanatic but when I saw this picture taken by a family several tables down from me at a restraunt, I knew I had to show y'all. It must be fake but...I just can't be certain.
This picture is cropped a lot but not at all edited!
snake eyez
Apr 17 2006, 09:43 PM
This looks 100% fake to me.
With the way the lighting is, it is hard to tell whether or not that's an actual person there behind the light or if it is photoshop.
RamboIII
Apr 17 2006, 09:45 PM
No photoshop was used.
I don't know how it happened, though
jonb
Apr 17 2006, 09:46 PM
can you post the full version? to me it looks like a long shutter on the camera could have caused it, or a double exposure if its film..
RamboIII
Apr 17 2006, 09:47 PM
I would say that it is a ghost, however I do not fully believe in them.
I swear that there is nothing besides cropping that I did to this picture.
The full picture I have, however, the family was a bit silly so it is a very odd picture. I just happened to notice that there was something odd.
Taka
Apr 17 2006, 09:48 PM
Simply looks like the woman was there when the picture was taken. I've got pictures that've turned out like that before; there's nothing supernatural about it.
I can't explain how a camera works, but it has to do with shutter speed...and stuff.
I'm sure someone else will turn up who can explain it better than that.
RamboIII
Apr 17 2006, 09:51 PM
That would happen when the picture is taken over a certain period of time. This was a standard photo, taken at an instance. There is a lady at the restraunt who looks a lot like that one but her clothes were of uniform, not as casual as the clothes she is wearing in the photo.
snake eyez
Apr 17 2006, 09:52 PM
If you look closely you can see through her left arm. I don't know if there's something with cameras that can cause that, but that's the only thing I see that could make it be a ghost. Even so you can't see through the rest of the body so I'm assuming it's from the camera...
Taka
Apr 17 2006, 09:55 PM
Jonb pretty much got it...I'll agree with him.
Seriously, that's not a ghost. o_o
And if you look at her eyes, it looks like she's watching the table, as if she were a waitress waiting for the family to stop talking so she could take their order...
RamboIII
Apr 17 2006, 09:55 PM
Her entire body is transparent. Here's another odd thing. Suppose that if you die you take a prized possession... The gold bracelet she is wearing was not on the lady who looked liked her-the lady who actually existed. That is why I don't believe it was just a camera fault.
BellaMorte
Apr 17 2006, 09:55 PM
I'm leaning towards a double exposure.
RamboIII
Apr 17 2006, 09:56 PM
What makes you think she is not watching the "live"?
Sounds unlikely but possible...
Taka
Apr 17 2006, 09:58 PM
Rambo, are you
trying to make us believe it was a ghost?
True, you can believe what you want, but the most logical explaination would be a fault in the technology...
EditQUOTE
What makes you think she is not watching the "live"?
I don't think a ghost would return to a restaurant to watch a family dine.
-Looks around-
I want to see what Alisa has to say. x]
BellaMorte
Apr 17 2006, 09:59 PM
Do you mean, 'the living'?
Hey, she could be but I still think it's a double exposure or some camera problem.
snake eyez
Apr 17 2006, 09:59 PM
I'm going to take Rambo's side on this since he is the one who took the picture even though my initial reaction was that it was fake. If anyone could explain to me how you can see the back of the room through her left arm then maybe I can be persuaded.
It's also just an assumption to say that she's staring at the table waiting for their order
Taka
Apr 17 2006, 10:02 PM
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he is the one who took the picture
No, he didn't. He said that in his first post, that a family a few tables down had taken it.
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If anyone could explain to me how you can see the back of the room through her left arm then maybe I can be persuaded.
It's been stated several times already: Double exposure or faulty shutters.
EditI got a friend of mine to look at the picture, and she says it was faked, because to her, it looks out of proportion.
Also, Rambo, how do you know that they hadn't taken the picture of their waiter on accident? Did they think the photo was odd?
jonb
Apr 17 2006, 10:21 PM
Yeh, i usually do photo examples of how photos can be flawed, and heres mine..
warning! uglyface!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/dea...it/P1010009.jpgalthough this photo was done flash first, then face stuck in the way,
i think in the one were discussing the woman got the flash burst, but then moved out the way whilst the camera continued to photo the same area with the shutter.. its hard to tell without the full version so we can see other areas of light etc
glenndo4000
Apr 17 2006, 10:32 PM
ye, it is completely out of proportion, the womans head is way smaller than the guys head.
some wierd things happen with photos like once my brother took a picture of the horizon and when the photo came out the ground was vertical whereas the sky was horizontal.
its either fake or dodgy camera shot.
Kobalos
Apr 17 2006, 11:08 PM
I don't think it was deliberately faked, but there's a straight forward possible explanation - if the camera was digital, all sorts of strange anomalies might crop up. My own 'cheapie' digital decided to start giving me the odd 'double exposure' out of sequence, when the battery was getting low and my memory card almost full. (Ten shots on, who WAS that strange transparent kid in the background? Soon discovered it wasn't spooky though.)
piratejackdavamp
Apr 18 2006, 01:09 AM
You can tell its a fake because it is obvious that the womean is behind the guy and yet she made his back and hair look smudgey i guess you could call it and she couldnt have done that behind him.That and it is quite out of proportion
Fluffybunny
Apr 18 2006, 01:30 AM
It looks to me like a simple double exposure where your camera didn't advance the film correctly and an image from a previous picture washed over into the next frame...I have seen a few websites of ghost photos where skeptics redid those photos with known camera glitches, and this picture looks exactly the doubl exposures they did... Just my opinion.
Boltwave
Apr 18 2006, 01:37 AM
QUOTE(RamboIII @ Apr 17 2006, 09:34 PM) [snapback]1151919[/snapback]
I'm not one who is a ghost fanatic but when I saw this picture taken by a family several tables down from me at a restraunt, I knew I had to show y'all. It must be fake but...I just can't be certain.
This picture is cropped a lot but not at all edited!
It's fake alright, it's very easy to tell, you can put an image ontop of another creating a seperate layer in photoshop, after that you can erase, blend, and fade the tint and value to the image over the background, creating the false ghost picture.
Dumbass forgery
purplewink77
Apr 18 2006, 02:09 AM
it doesnt look real to me
Taka
Apr 18 2006, 02:39 AM
Alright, well, we know how it could have been caused; simple malfunctions or forgery.
Are you still willing to assume that it's a 'ghost'?
earthchick
Apr 18 2006, 05:56 AM
This doesn't look like a deliberate fake to me, but I do think it is a double exposure. If you look closely you can see that the lady's hand is resting on the back of a chair, but the rungs of the chair back are visible over top of the fellow's shoulder, rather than behind it. Also, if you look just above the fellow's head there is visible the top of another person's head that is more in proportion to the lady.
Tokoyo
Apr 18 2006, 08:32 AM
well, it's not fake. also not paranormal. It's backlit. Next time you take a photo, try and make sure the brightest light source is behind, not in front of the person taking the photo. Natural light is often deceptively bright, btw.
Lonecat
Apr 18 2006, 11:05 AM
QUOTE(RamboIII @ Apr 17 2006, 09:55 PM) [snapback]1151957[/snapback]
Her entire body is transparent. Here's another odd thing. Suppose that if you die you take a prized possession... The gold bracelet she is wearing was not on the lady who looked liked her-the lady who actually existed. That is why I don't believe it was just a camera fault.
I am afraid I get a bit impatient with glib "explanations" like "double exposure" and so on. When explanations are offered, I do think it would be better for one to be more explicit. As far as I can see, with modern cameras it is not possible, accidentally, to make a double exposure. I used to do that for fun back in the early 1950s with my first camera which was a "Brownie" box-camera with which I would take, say, a picture of an empty room and then wind the film back one place and have a friend stand in the same room and take the another picture. This required either having a tripod or some other method of holding the camera rock-steady between takes, otherwise you would get a double take of the room and objects in it. With modern "film" cameras i.e. not digital, you cannot wind the film back. I don't believe you can superimpose two pictures with a digital camera either. You would have to manipulate the photograph afterwards with Photoshop or something similar (though why people go to so much trouble to try to deceive others I do... not... know).
I got some really entertainingly ghostly pictures in Rome once back in 1982 or thereabouts, and quite by accident. I forgot to get the roll of film developed immediately and a year passed before I realised this. During that time, the pictures, being tightly rolled up "printed through" in places giving the impression that my Mother was transparent and standing in a pool of water (the water from a picture of the Fountain of Trevi) in the ruins of the anciant roman Baths of Caracalla. She looked like a real ghost but it was only "print-through" and and good for a laugh. If the "ghost" in the picture we see on this thread was caused by a faulty camera, I would like a precise description of the type of fault concerned and for somebody to reproduce such a fault and produce a picture similar to this (but not by using Photoshop trickery). I have no idea what this strange intrusion could be but I don't rule out the possibility of its being a ghost in view of the many pictures people have taken in the past in which long-deceased relations appear in family photos. I can't say more than that. LONECAT
Dennison
Apr 18 2006, 01:42 PM
Looks like its fake, but only the guy would know if its the waitress or a ghost
NME_locus
Apr 18 2006, 05:33 PM
QUOTE(RamboIII @ Apr 17 2006, 09:34 PM) [snapback]1151919[/snapback]
I'm not one who is a ghost fanatic but when I saw this picture taken by a family several tables down from me at a restraunt, I knew I had to show y'all. It must be fake but...I just can't be certain.
This picture is cropped a lot but not at all edited!
Rambo, good picture, but I'm afraid it is a camera faulty. It's only fake if you claim it real.
What makes it obvious is if this is a picture of you, the ghost is standing behind you, BUT, if you look on your left shoulder in the picture, unless you're a ghost to, your shoulder should not be dee through.
frogfish
Apr 18 2006, 05:39 PM
Double exposure
Gall
Apr 18 2006, 05:58 PM
that looks fake to me.
brassai2003
Apr 18 2006, 06:45 PM
QUOTE(snake eyez @ Apr 17 2006, 09:59 PM) [snapback]1151970[/snapback]
I'm going to take Rambo's side on this since he is the one who took the picture even though my initial reaction was that it was fake. If anyone could explain to me how you can see the back of the room through her left arm then maybe I can be persuaded.
It's also just an assumption to say that she's staring at the table waiting for their order
It's the exposure. The camera shutter was left open longer than the flash went off and the camera moved. I use it all the time as a photogapher. sorry. No ghost here.
To try it at home.
Use a manual digi cam. set the shutter to like 1/15 and the aperture to say, f11. pop up your flash and take the picture (move the camera a little for a cool effect)

. Wallah! Ghosts.
TibxB0i
Apr 18 2006, 11:49 PM
are you GUYS REALLY STUPID?
even i can do that!
with NO EDITING AT ALL!
listen
-if u have a disposable camera
then u can rewind
and take another picture
then it has a picture kind of transparent over the first picture
I KNOW THIS STUFF
ANYONE ELSE KNOW AND BELEIVE WHAT IM SAYING?
AM I RIGHT OR WHAT!
fartmonkey65
Apr 19 2006, 12:06 AM
I think its fake. It has to be, cmon Rambo how could that be real.
RamboIII
Apr 20 2006, 01:59 AM
That's what I am wondering because I don't believe in ghosts. To me, that looks more realistic than other ghost pics.
Here's the mystery-
No lady was there wearing those clothes/jewelry.
No lady at all was ever standing there when a picture was taken.
Her expression- Mourning...or just caught off gaurd.
The surprise of everyone around me when I showed them the picture.
strangebutsmart
Apr 20 2006, 02:02 AM
Totally a fake picture.
strangebutsmart
Apr 20 2006, 02:04 AM
QUOTE(RamboIII @ Apr 19 2006, 05:59 PM) [snapback]1155558[/snapback]
That's what I am wondering because I don't believe in ghosts. To me, that looks more realistic than other ghost pics.
Here's the mystery-
The surprise of everyone around me when I showed them the picture.
I bet they were suprised by how someone would fall for that.
najaesouljah
Apr 20 2006, 02:43 PM
Yeah it looks pretty fake to me.
Shivel
Apr 20 2006, 03:00 PM
Very obviously a double exposure. Don't worry though, many pictures like this are often mistaken for evidence of a kind of spirit.
QUOTE(strangebutsmart @ Apr 20 2006, 02:02 AM) [snapback]1155562[/snapback]
Totally a fake picture.
jonb
Apr 20 2006, 10:17 PM
i think you should give a reason not already given if you write fake, is no good just blurting out fake!
did you get the full version yet rambo?
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