Since we went after the pyramid power hoax so savagely, I now wish to unleash the fury upon the strange theories of Constantin Raudive.
This fellow was a respected radio researcher, but he expounded a theory that there were voices in the noise of a radio reciever not tuned to a broadcasting station.
A book called "Breakthrough" told many tales of this electronic Ouija board.
Anybody got something besides this book, or the movie, "Frequency"?
This one had me going for a while in the 70's, so I'd gladly pull Raudive's lungs out through his nose for fooling me.
Maybe he fooled himself-too bad, I'm still gonna eviscerate him!

EVP, and indeed EIP, research is still going on by various groups and individuals; run a search on the forums

Thankee, Brer Wolf, but could you be a little more helpful and tell me that those initials stand for(remember, I still think S&M means sneakers and makeup!).
I know some SETI research involves trying to extract meaning from noise(the Jodi Foster character who represents Jill Tarter was said to have sat in front of a TV tuned to channel one for hours).
I doubt that those who are gone speak to this world.
Did you ever see "Truly, Madly, Deeply"?
If we could contact the dead, it would make a mess!
However, one should not scoff without investigation.
Thanks again.

EVP is Electronic Voice Phenomina, the name given to mysterious sounds recorded from static. While I am not familiar with EIP, I will take a stab in the dark and assume it stands for Electronic Image Phenomina.

Personally, I prefer the scientific term for these - pareidolia.

-Pilgrim

Just testing your research EIP is indeed Electronic Image Propogation (or Phenomena depending on your choice).

I've seen this stuff happening live, I can assure you it isn't vaguely seeing pareidolia within noise or static. An otherwise untuned TV was 'screening' messages (very clear pictures and sound, much plainer than any EVP I'd heard!) from a claimed afterlife (at least claimed by the people relaying the messages as if they were in a one-way conversation); the TV had no lead or other input into the aerial socket, but I agree that wouldn't preclude it picking up a strong 'hoax' signal from somewhere very local - if it was then a number of quite rational and objective people would have been duped.

While I didn't see it, I was told by other members of the group that similar images did appear on a computer monitor, on a PC that had no internet access or TV tuner. I admit that this report is anecdotal, since I did not see it occur.

Curiously, while I was (briefly) involved in EVP and EIP studies, the 'other side; claimed they were trying to build technology to enable them to bridge the communication gap between realms - I know, shades of Frequency etc; but at least this had some logic - what always baffles me about 'traditional' ghost hunting is acceptance that for some reason the other side - some of whom presumably would have been scientists etc 'this side' could only communicate by making knocking noises, tilting tables, etc.


Moderators - any chance this thread could be moved to the more appropriate Ghosts, Hauntings & The Paranormal forum?

Static from a radio or Tv that is not tuned drives me nuts. Soemthing in my brain tells me to lsiten harder, and more closely, to the static.

I keep hearing through the crackles and pops and whistles what sounds like muflfed, distant voices.

Drives me crazy, so I make sure that all Tvs and radios are turned off at bed-time, otherwise I'll never get to sleep.

Had a good one myself today.
I was in the bathroom, preparing to wash my hands.
Not too far away, some electrical tool was running, a drill or a saw.
I turned on the water, and I heard music.
Turned off the water, and the music was gone, just the tool noise.
The human mind seeks order in chaos(probably it should seek chaos in order), and often manufactures it.
When the mind is idle, with no fixed purpose, it is free to seek for patterns.
Yes, those on the other side indeed include scientists and technicians, but why would they want to contact us?
If Raudive's book is to be believed, life over there is organized very like our lives, so would those who have passed on not have their own concerns?
I think there is an afterlife-but I doubt it has any resemblance to the world we know now.
As I said, watch the movie, "Truly, Madly, Deeply" to see what a mess would occur if the dead were allowed to interact with the living-it's funny and touching, worth the time.
Still, it is best to investigate with an open mind, to scoff is to remain in ignorance.

My notes are buried in a box somewhere, but if memory serves me correctly the researchers who I met with for a few weeks (back in the mid/late-90s) did have both EVP and EIP messages from Raudive. I say again the EIP was not vague images in noise and static, but images clearer than your average CCTV images.

You are correct, Raudive's work, and the later stuff that I saw evidence of, indicate or suggest that life in 'the after' isn't any different to this side. I confess I was puzzled (and not a little perturbed) that those on the other side has carried over any physical (and presumably mental) infirmities they had this side - it just seemed weird to see 'spirit' wearing glasses etc.

This stuff is too easy to fake.
When you see the things that David Copperfield and such can do, it's really hard to suspend disbelief.
Let the researchers produce some fact that isn't generally known, and I'll give them more attention.
As for the thing about the glasses-doesn't that raise a red flag for you?
Something is rotten in the state of whatever you want to call it-say, maybe we could ask who's running things over there?

The more I dig into this, the more interesting it becomes(big surprise, that).
Raudive was a psycologist, not a radio researcher, a Latvian.
Seems he's on the cutting edge of the efforts to contact this side, from that side, which I'll call Elbonia, having made one very famous TV appearance on a disconnected TV.
I'm looking for the right frequency for this on my multi-band radio, and mean to put it to the test.
However, there are a few difficulties.
Raudive described life in Elbonia as rather like life here, which is a major gyp, with rules and regulations(Customs Points?).
Not Paradise with 72 virgins, but not unbelieveable.
But how do the Elbonians hear us, so they can answer questions?
What do they do with their time over there?
Why do they bother trying to contact us, when they know we'll be along in a bit.
A point mentioned by another of our friends, why does Raudive still wear his spectacles over there?
Another sticky bit, why is there so much EVP in graveyards? Does this mean that the afterlife is eternity in a mouldy old vault?
What about cremains?
Help me, here, this could be bigger than Miss Cleo.