Yo AZ!

I got something I thought you might be interested in. Might be fake, but who knows.

http://media.putfile.com/hantu1_0001

Im gonna have to check that out when I get home NME_locus. I work on a Mac at work, and the Windows Media Player on it is not compatible.

Oh . darn, well you might have seen it before. It's an asian girl being held down during an exorcism and she sounds like my ex-fiance. sheesh, i would try avoid dating women like this.

If its the little asian girl with the bunny hat, then yes. I'd say it's very much fake. I can't remember it enough to give 100 % valid reasons, Im gonna have to watch it again later, but yea, seemed very staged, or she seemed like an attention grabber.

Agreed...... hey what the....... Az said "asian girl with bunny hat" not "fluffybunny" as he appears to be reading this post. LOL....

obviously u don't know many geniuses do u?

Here's the thing. If you really were a genius, you would know that IB is a complete and total waste of time. The only thing IB is good for is ruining your social life. Also, the question isn't whether or not I have had a girlfriend, but if you have ever had one. I certainly have my doubts. And as for me being an angry person, you better frakkin' believe I'm an angry person!

of course i've had a girlfriend, i've had plenty, i have one now, but lets not get into my personal life. IB is not a complete waste of time either, they go through what is considered one of the hardest school lesson plans in the world, even by German standard, its fairly difficult

Having plenty just shows that you can't keep one. You get dumped a lot :-D Or maybe you're just lying altogether.

You're not a very nice person, you know that?

What the HELL is going on here? You two take something beautiful like a Demonic Possession thread and corrupt it to your own petty rivalry thread?! Is nothing sacred (or infernal)?

You're quite welcome, RU. I don't mind telling you that my IQ tested in the 110 range. Everyone is a genius in his/her own unique way, and tests to determine genius are far from exhaustive. It's but one more attempt by modern society to inspire oppression among those who rank average or below.

Sadly, genius mentality often translates to cleverness and pride as opposed to wisdom. I make no such assumptions about you. This merely transitions me into the brief summation of my battle against poisonous medical practices.

Many "genius" physicians, in their quest to be right about all matters of human behavior and related illness, have made very wrong conclusions over the centuries. The ever-increasing doses of ineffective, anti-psychotic drugs are strong evidence of this.

Please read the "Grounded Spirits" thread for some of my thoughts on the human brain and its inability to form our sense of being for us. I admit that the idea is not new, but the logic arrived for me following many corroborated, spiritual encounters that could not be explained via mainstream rationality.

Long story short, it's going to be difficult touting yourself as a genius if you reinvent the wheel with the mental illness angle and attempt to close your readers' minds to the possibility of spiritual influence. Genius is about creation, originality, and innovation, not extracting others' work from print and summarizing it with haughty verbosity.

You can't research these conditions adequately unless you have them.

Petty rivalry? I'm insulted! Not really. Besides, the whole point of forums is for debate. And this is not merely a petty rivalry. This may well be a matter of life and death for all you know! Maybe you would like to join in the fun of this petty rivalry? And no, nothing is sacred. Except maybe cheesecake.... And carmel corn. Crap! I'm hungry now!

There is no need to go off topic as I am seeing here. Please stick to the topic of demonic possession and avoid getting into each others dating life.

Fluffybunny,

I realize that the posts were off topic, and you were justified on stepping in. However, I saw some decent therapy happening there. GodofFire's methods were unorthodox, but one advertising his genius status publicly is only achieving alienation.

When I saw that conversation, I thought back to the dialogue between Judd Nelson and Molly Ringwald in "Breakfast Club". The John Bender character seemed overtly evil in his perceptions of the pain and weakness hidden by Clair's facade, but ultimately he helped her to realize that the untouchable princess behavior was damaging her ability to commune with peers and develop meaningful friendships.

o my gersh....i also too believe that demoinic activity is rising and i am totally getting prepared because i have a close friend who is possibly tainted and maybe possesed and i am willing to do anything to fight for her........so anyone who differs in opinion better just be glad they dont know what this is!!!

Is no one reading my post?!?!? Possession has a logical explanation for every symptom and the cures for it are ridiculous. Seriously, if you can get a demon out of someone with a Super Soaker filled with a mixture of tang and holy water, then get me a copy of the video of it, i would like to see it.

Ok If I have read correctly, a perfect possession is - When a demon has totally possessed a person and has total control,


which in theory is true, because in Demonic possession the demon is trying to possess the Vessel but because the vessel resist it takes longer and allot of drama,

so if they give in or don’t get Delivered by the blood of Jesus then this can happen but this situaion in theory is not hopeless because of the Authority given to by True worshipers of God



but you must realize there is two types of demonic enslavement

one is possession and the other is oppression
there very different

possession is basically a demon trying to gain total control over the vessel so that they may come in to this world in flesh

then there is oppression which means a demon is messing with you, mentally or physically [example] succubus, incubus sexually assaulting the victim, Demon of lust, demon of hate etc, basically to be in bondage to a demon,


etc.


My best friend was possessed in my house, four years ago, I used to be in the occult, [black majick] but two years ago, I was born again saved, by the blood of Jesus I was delivered from my past before I was born again, I was demonically assaulted, choked, harassed, etc.. it got to bad that we had to move ,




Yes sir, Demons are very real It doesn’t matter if you don't believe in them they believe in you.

to respond to a earlier comment, SCHIZOPHRENIA is a demonic alignment, one of my other friends, had this, which he would hear other voices in his head, and they would tell him to hurt people basically give him bad advice,

if one was to cast this demon out in the name of Jesus the situation would stop,



I used to be demonic oppressed, I had a demon of depression and suicide, once I was born again Jesus Christ delivered me from it, and since then I have had no signs of ever having a demon of suicide or depression, "only the scars remain"

before I took a leap of faith,(asked God Sincerly into my life ) towards God my doctors told me to get used to it and to learn to deal with it, I was taking a Varity of pills, and I stopped taking them and asked God to deliver me from my depression and more, God is Good and Jesus is lord


and I don’t care if your Atheist or a skeptic, I can prove there is a God Through you


if you want to learn the hard, way, get into the occult and learn the hard way, reulting in death or possession or just plain misery

or you could learn the easy way, and ask God Sincerly into your life

for one to know that they need a Savior *Jesus*Christ* the first now why logically

ask your self this question if God was to judge me using the 10 commandments, would I pass? I am I really a good person? do I lie? do I steal? do I say Gods name in vain? what does that make me? a lying, stealing blasphemer


Look at this way, If you were in Court, and just because you don’t believe in the Judge or law, either way you still will be judged,





If you have anymore questions or just want to bug me, my Email address is anglewiingsiam555@hotmail.com or just go to my my space http://blog.myspace.com/humansrevoltsystemfailur

Holy water doesnt work thats Catholic false doctrine, no offence to Catholics in here, but it doenst work,
only the Authority of Christ given to True believers can cast out demons,

Skeptics cant

I get those sulphuric smelling burps every once in a while...lol. I call them dragon burps...I swear they could peel the paint off the walls, but I don't think it's associated with possession in my case...just high blood sugar levels after eating too many sweets

My fiance thinks I should bottle the smell and sell it to the goverment....yeah....it is REALLY bad

My taking from reading this thread is that "perfect possession" is when a spirit/demon enters the host and for some reason the host gives up the fight and becomes completely controlled by the spirit/demon so that they don't have to fight the host anymore for control...I guess it's like the host just "goes with the flow" as they say. Although I'm by no means an expert so I could be wrong

Too many mentally ill have been killed or were killed by someone thinking a possesion was involved.
The best thing for people to do is first see a mental health professional.
Next seek counceling and help from experienced clergy that are not fundememtalist or charismatic.
Next to last they can seek help from parapsychologists.
The very last thing anyone should do is play amateur exorcist because that is how people get killed (as well as dealing with some sects of fundementalists).

Science already states that the supernatural is more than just a product of one's enviroment and what they make of it, your theory is totally and utterly false, your "science" is just as distorted and muddled up because of one simple rule, I ask you, how can someone be off their rocker for believing in things they consider "paranormal" when you haven't even considered yourself of what science has shown us again and again and again, it's one simple rule, and if anyone doubts it, they doubt all science in general, yeah that's right, all the theories, the mathemetical equations and discoveries, if you can't accept this rule, then you doubt all of what you refer to in opposition of what people believe to be spiritual.

What is life? What triggers every moving organism? What activates the heart and brain as developing embryos? Simple blood cells and oxgyen? I think not, that would be like giving mouth to mouth recessitation and pumping blood back into a person that is already dead, (we all know by then that's not going to work )

The organs are new, and yes it's true birth and conception are different from illness and dying, however, this also proves my following statement.

They say that (one simple word) has a beginning but has no end, and continues to go on, into a never-ending cycle in which there is no break point in time.

This simple little word is responsible for carrying those small electrical waves across the mothers body into the small fetus, it turns the heart on to begin with, which produces blood cells, the blood is pumped to every organ throughout the body, the organs build off from the blood that is given, this allows the second most important organ the brain to develope and grow, of course the heart starts pumping when it receives oxygen from the baby's mother, which attached inside the whom, gives it both food and air to allow the heart to begin to work, all in all, things become bigger and more complex, even when the baby is born the cycle of events cannot be reversed, it has begun and will continue to grow, and although we do not continue to physically grow in height throughout our entire life, we can see that facial features begin to change and such areas as the nose will continue to grow until death, now death will be the key to my exact point.

If you haven't guessed what the simple word is by now, then you haven't been following where I've been going with this, to sum it up for you, it is a little word that simply means the source of all life and it's activities which run through every organism, cell, object, etc, it makes every event in the universe signifigant, what this word is called is ENERGY

Energy can also be transfered from one object to another, just like my previous example with the woman and the fetus, you see where I'm going with this?

In short, science has proved that everything evolving around us pertains to energy, as we ourselves are a source of energy, just like a mother with a growing baby during pregnancy, energy needs a source, it has it's own beginning, but when it starts the energy goes on, ever heard of the "energizer bunny"? It keeps going and going and going, is actually an accurate statement, this proves that even after we die the spirits within us (or "energy") still go on, they depart and leave into that of the unknown, where there spirit continues to thrive throughout the universe of creation.

So before telling someone they are a silly daft ninny completely out of their minds to even make a logical assumption from personal belief, please, do yourself a favor, be careful in what you are quoting and how you proceed on doing so, it helps in future cases in the likely event that you may actually be going against your own thesis.

:devil read a post regarding possession.
i have first hand exerience, it is not for disbelievers or naive. if your a concious person in universe you know the game with mind and body and spirit. despite iwas concius somene got to me while left traumtized weak and in distress on nyc . i had been nearly possessed before. someone i felt looking to take over my mind and body began an assault on me i got very sick i fought hard and i escaped wheni was removed from a prison of a life with this when i was by accident gotten 2000 miles away. to a place the trauma could heal. i closed the hole in my mind spirit body. doctors sat and let me die. i saw what i saw. someone outside with super or paranomal capabilities looking to intimidate me to break and kill me with abuse attacks and using this via telekentic pathic channels. i knew that peole are into that in all places not just nyc. people use it to feel secure or power if they are insecure.like the movie powder.
in stead it was evil using power to hold me hostage. my life improved. i never got to have help for what took place. i was left alone . doctors do not understand this but i saw some of them use powers and mind reading and psychic contradictions which indicate devil .
peole who contradict are satanic connected and ruled by satan to confuse.

i was clear in mind after. i got far awaay healed and came back to my life stronger so i was now harder to control. the only reason they got so far as they did was doctors allowed them to by leaving me helpless.and that means doctors were satans tool.

i did not go mad i almost did and escaped it. i thanked god not satan for life and promised to expose all i saw.it was horrible for a sick doctor to say i was mentally ill i saw what i saw an it was common life in other places.

however recently i was also left in trauma again . with wounds. i tried to make sure to not come back tonyc that way to not be picked up of scent and attacked by people using mind. i made calls and got no helpe. the first person who got to me was a black hatian with sick life.
he became the channel of what took place wounding me more. i got to doctors who just sat and watched him . i was sick. left wounded i struggled to escape again his eye roving eye and games to damage. a slick deceiver.
by time i got on plane again i was begging god to not go mad, and got a prayer to escape and did . for a month life was fine and i healed from the attacks. however a negative person was put in my path there . also from nyc in same area as sick person.
i knew this was going to happen and i was set up i was on guard. he got to me in end of my month of healing. a serpant of a person also a contradiction.

i went home by mistake and felli into more danger after a happy month now misery set in . i was now wounded and attacked thist imewith great force someone making a big effort to remove my will , god and my assets in life talents and survival skills. pains shot in my head. and i felt someone stabbing me . with pain and trie to identify it. i got very sick someone pulling me into a hypnotic world spinning room till my identity was lost. i was so confused and spun into a vertigo state i could not see who i was they began to blur mea nd pull me or feed off my soul. i began to die. i suffered 8 months. trying to not let them take over completely. i was in pain.
then i got on a plane again. this time it was like they had taken most of me and the effects were to make sure my refuge would not happen.
i got sick, but held on got some recovery. then i was forced by another demonic erson to go home .immigrations. by a gliche. satans gliche.
when i got on plane i was still fighting my life had a chance i had a pulse and i knew iwas going to be killed in nyc.
i prayed. then i laned and had to fen for self. i struggled to get to a safe place to heal , no family. i was alone.
i was set up to be gotten to a rooom . near where my first demonic experience took place in ft green . bklyn. i had been back there many times no problms iwas strong.
this room was a trap. minute i stepped in the air was thick and like i was sitting in someone belly being consumed. they wanted my powers i had gotten off my healing. like to shear me . i felt someon in the room and i began to get sick. i had no privacy and it began the last 4 months of hell . i began to go mad as the hypnosis began again spinning me deeper into a zombie state. i had no one to call and began to fall unconcoius. i emaile places and forums . which were sometimes consistant. but i was to sick and weak . i was put into a deep trance where i was told i was a drug addict heroin addict and someone puting my identity out side me to take it. i felt it was a drug addict or somoene looking for someone to take soul out of . i began to get sick and take on strange behavior of drug addict.
i was a strong person who had wise clear talk female artist with good connections and a happy life. now im a sick sick person . im in the room i have no idea of who i am beign held and watched 24 7 by this person demone who sucks life out of me. i got to doctor who did not do anything to remove me . gay contradiction again.
i sat like duck being driven mad and being assaulted violently as they took my soul. i heard a female or male o someone calling my name being brave about it an what they were doing was fun to them sadistic. pleasure. i wanted to go to a preist, i dont know who to go to . and i feel i had to be strong enough to push this person t its death or out to be happy and free. im now no me. i have no atributes of me or my personaltiy . time was ushed back to 24 years ago for me leaving me as i saw it done to me 24 years ago. when i was in nyc 24 years ago this sick heroin addict rented me aroom. i ran away from sick parents. i wonder if it is this demon. or some other drug addict from streets looking to abuse the successful to feel safe. in any case. i awas and am a demonicly possessed person and i will no contradict truth. its real face it.

Azalin,,,I believe that heard or read one time that Pope Gregory, The First, was actually accused of being Demonically Possessed and or a Demon Worshipper! I think that I remember learning that he spent so much time studying demonology that The Vatican Hierachy actually felt that he was demonically influenced himself...Have you ever heard of this history about this Pope?

I wish that I could remember where I read or heard this, but I think that it would be interesting to get your thoughts on this subject anyway...

Take care and G-d Bless!!!

Again I will write about my first hand Knowledge of Spirits Possessing a Human Body which many say is dilussional talking on my Part and they refuse to believe the Truth.

A Possession is when one or more Spirits decide to enter a Human Body and try to live in it as if theyhad never died after shedding their own human body.

When they do this they sit in the Body and they try to influence the person to do whatever they want them to and when that person refuses to follow what they want they get mean and ugly and can cause the person excruciating pain and try to trash talk the world through them and when the Human refuses to do what they want them to do they can become even more vile and abusive.

Psychics like Sylvia Browne (whom I consider a good Psychic in every Respect except) she sits on shows like Montel Williams and tells the audience things like no Honey Spirits can't enter a Human body.

Well she is wrong and she says that either because she doesn't know any better, or because she hasn't had the Experience herself, or she says it because she doesn't want to frighten the customers away.

You might say why doesn't someone with this problem find an Exorcist?

Well that's a little easier said than done because most Priests and Ministers think the Spirits Possessing the Person are some Raging Demons like they read about in the Bible but the fact is the Spirits Possessing a person are normally mean Spirited Relatives and or someone else we met in our Lifetime who is sitting in the After Life looking back at this person they are possessing and they do these Possessions to be mean and inflict pain on a person they have a personal Vendetta against.

Anyone who wants to can say this is not true but if it ever happens to you you will know what I am saying is true and that its very difficult to get people to believe this or help do an Exorcism.

In fact I don't personally know how to end a Possession and I don't know if a Priest can Drive the possessing Spirits out or not because everything I have read about Exorcisms they add a Disclaimer which says it could take years to get rid of the Possessing Spirits and they may even come back again.

I do know when I downloaded the Russian Exorcism Video and touched the screen and prayed and tried to pick up the power of the Priest performing the Exorcism on the Possessed in the Video I could see the Possessing Spirits inside my body going through trauma like death scenes and when I ended the Exorcism and went to look into the mirror in my Bathroom I had completely Black under both eyes that looked like a Zombie and to me this says an Exorcism no matter who it is connected to could be very dangerous for the person trying to force the Possessing Spirits out of the Body.

My four Possessing Spirits when they walked the Earth were my birth mother Eve and my aunt Carrie and Uncle George, and Dr. Stergio Petas from Toledo, Ohio (the father of five grown children and many grandchildren who need to see Grandpa as an Evil Spirit until he agrees to bring my three relatives and leave my body) and their reason for doing this to me seems to be based on some books written by Spiritual Writer Ruth Montgomery who wrote in her Published Books: "when a Spirit becomes so Evil it can't be rehabilitated God steps up and Destroys them".
The Possessing Spirits say since they have been doing this since l986 the First Anniversary of Stergio's Death and God hasn't taken them out they believe its a lie, but they won't prove that beyond a doubt by leaving my body and seeing what happens to them because after the way they have behaved they are too scared to leave my body so through pain they try to force me to say they are right but I can't write that until I see how and if they leave my body.


Another issue they have is Writer Ruth Montgomery wrote in her books about Walk-In's which supposedly is enlightened Spirits who can come back and take over Human Bodies if God gives them permission to.

I can't prove whether that is true or not but I do know no one has appeared to Destroy them and I know they have not in twenty years managed to drive my Spirit out of my Body so they can take over and Walk the Earth.

I know this may sound farfetched and kinda like a Science Fiction Episode but it nontheless is the Absolute truth and I am living it each and every day.

Day and night they try to break me down by interferring with every aspect of my life and as I sleep at night they do terrible things to me including bouncing against my Brain so hard I can hear it and it also feels like they are pulling a rusty knife through my Brain.

In the beginning I was terrified but now I am angry because a God like figure has not come down here and saved me from them and so my only choice is to write about it until God and Jesus save me?

Believe me you don't want to see it. My daughter and I are both experiencing this. We are in the process of having the Catholic Church come. We both have went through what is called psychic paralysis and we are not crazy! I have documentation of paranormal activity in my house. I don't have knowledge of any of this only what we have experienced. I would
have had the same opinion as you had I not had it happen to me and my daughter. Her documented temperature on her arm at the time this happened to her was 60 degrees.
Do you think she did that to herself? Don't be so quick to write off things just because you have not experienced it.

You know, I don't know if I really buy into this whole possession thing. BUT... I would imagine if you spent countless hours researching it and built up on obsession for it, it would open your mind up and make it vulnerable. Now, whether that vulnerability is mental or demonic, who knows?

I have never heard of such a thing, and I could very much state it is false. The pope is the vatican hierarchy alongside the cardinals, and would not convict the pope, chosen by God and the people to be in link with such things.

If this was a possibility the vatican would never of given him the title of " The Great " which is a reserved title for the most influential popes in the history of Christianity. This is the same title which was given to Emporer Constantine. It could very much of been rumor and speculation but I highly doubt any church officials took it seriously.



First of all, it's great to hear from you again Amy, it has been awhile.

You are right, in the assumption that re-searching such things could cause mental trauma or even open you up to demonic attacks. Many jobs in the world today are stressfull and can corrupt people just by re-searching them. For a small example, I know of a police officer that deals with Child Pornograpgy cases, and he says it has changed his outlook on life, and sexual relations in general. He sometimes wishes he never applied for the field.

The main denominator that it boils down too, is Willpower. The ability to learn with an open mind and not be pulled in. Pope Gregory I would assume would have an abundance of this, and would not of given in to demonic temptation. However many demonologists are easily swayed. When they start evoking certain spells, they are destroyed by power, knowledge, greed, and wisdom. This is what can give demonologists a bad name, or just the name associated with it automatically labels the person in question evil. Its not an easy field to get into, whether you believe in demons or not, at the end of reading several books, you start to believe....well.... what if ?. A simple question that can lead the soul on different journys evoking different things you have researched just to see if it's possible. At this time, it may already be to late, for when your eyes are opened to this world, they cannot be shut so easily.

All in all Amy, you are correct, but with the question David_Cubero is inquiring about, I would have to say false, as I have never heard any such rumors during my re-search. However, if you do remember the article David, please, e-mail me with it.

One of my favorite Catholic Sister's and Human's in this world is Mother Tereasa. We could spend the day on her good deed's and unselfish giving nature. Not one like her will come along for some time I fear. The old ways are hard to instill in the youth of today. Even devoute catholic youth. Anyway, In the last 2 years of Mother Tereasa'a life, she was open about feeling what she called Attacked and besieged by demonic energy and influences around her and in her mind. She said that the closer to Jesus she came in her deeds and thoughts the worse the attacks got. Near the end she was battling for control over her own mind and she seeked the help and advise from several higharchey in the church. It did little to console her worries and til the end, when she finaly joined Jesus in great bliss Iam sure, she was plaugued by the dark side trying to take over or as she said many times, stop her from what she was doing on earth , even to the point that she felt they were trying to end her life if they could. I feel so bad that a woman who gave sooooo much to the world had to deal with such horrors and evil in the last years. She continued on her ways of love and care to any that needed it. Those bad guy's didn't have a chance, she was a tough old lady and God won and saved her. I can just imagine the changes and great works going on in Heaven since her passing. All coming about from her enthusiasum for helping the needy and tireless motivation for doing good. I love you Mother Tereasa.

Chunga,

I agree Mother Teresa was a very generous lady. It's quite a shame so many people doubt her charity and teachings. I have read a number of articles that talk about certain things that she performed that do not make sense. Such as where the millions of dollars she received from her foundation went to ?. It was suppose to be spent on building hospitals or medical supplies like she promised. Also, I read the quality of her hospitals were quite horrid, and were dubbed " The Houses of Dying ".

Just thought I would bring this to light if someone else wanted to research it. Once again, I do believe her lifes work was genuine, but it seems the media always wants to find " evil " side to us all.

Hi Azalin!

I've been lurking around, just not so much in this forum, it has swayed a bit from when I first started posting.... I've been a little fascinated lately with some of the stuff that comes from the religion/skeptics corner though! As well as the dynamics playing out.

Yup, I sincerely believe when you open your mind to negativity, anything can happen.
Question for you.... You mentioned that the Pope is chosen by God, so therefore you did not think that would happen. I know in the LDS Church they have a similar belief. They believe their prophet is chosen by God and that should he become unfit, God would "take" (for lack of a better word) him. Is the belief similar? That if something like that were to happen to the Pope that would happen, or just that because he was chosen by God that could not happen? Interesting stuff.....

As for Mother Theresa..... I do not believe her critics realize that this great lady died with no worldly possessions. She owned nothing. She devoted herself to those she felt needed her. I would invite those who would criticize her to to sell or give up all their worldly possessions, donate any money received from them and spend just one week living the way she did, doing nothing but helping the most helpless. Anyone willing to do that has my blessing to criticize!

Hope all has been well with you!

Amy

Yes, I read the spirituality threads quite often, but do not post much in there. It always seems to be a roller coaster dis-cussion that comes down to one thing..... faith.

It is believed the Pope is chosen through the Holy Spirit incarnated through the Cardinals in St.Peters Basilica. And yes, when the pope dies then it was Gods choosing, that he has done his work in this world, and it is time for another Pope to take place and continue the teachings and work of the church. The church would not believe the Pope could die in a fluke accident, even if there was a successful assassination attempt, it would have to be through the will of God.

Much like how the assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II was un-successful in St. Peter's Square. He believed it was the spirit of The Virgin Mary that saved him. He even went to the prison some years later and visited the gunman, and had a 20 minute private meeting. After the meeting the Pope said

" What we talked about will have to remain a secret between him and me. I spoke to him as a brother whom I have pardoned and who has my complete trust."

Now that is a perfect example of christianity, and Jesus teachings.

Hmmm.... interesting how different religions can have such similar beliefs...

I don't post much over their either.... I just find the dynamics (of the people) intriguing. Reminds me of high school sometimes.......

Also, I would love to know what your take on past lives experience is..... I know it is off topic (sorry)but I'd love to hear your view. You can p.m. it if you'd like, so we do not go off topic. I've been reading up on it and it is pretty interesting.....

It has been sometime since I have written another walkthrough on my beliefs on certain spiritual phenomenon. This small report will be associated with the " De Exorcismus et supplicationibus quibusdam ", rite of the exorcism. Although I will not outline and give in-depth information regarding the expulsion of spirits in all religious sects, I will try to touch base as best as I can.

For the people that are not aware of what exorcism actually is, I will briefly sum it up. Exorcism is the rite in which someone drives the spirit entity out of human body, and or specific object.

Exorcism is a belief that has been around in ancient times. Civilizations such as Sumerians, and the Chaldeans believed in the ability of supernatural beings taking over the human body. Although the first actual incident recorded is in the bible, the Sumerians and Chaldeans still predate this. In the bible Jesus himself cast out the demon Legion that was possessed by a local man.

" 30 Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" He said, "Legion," for many demons had entered into him.

31 They begged him that he would not command them to go into the abyss.

32 Now there was there a herd of many pigs feeding on the mountain, and they begged him that he would allow them to enter into those. He allowed them.

33 The demons came out from the man, and entered into the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake, and were drowned, "

Since it was written, it was then believed through the power of God and Jesus Christ that demonic possession is curable. In the 4th century, St Hilary was the first to introduce the thought process that demons ( daemons ) take over our body's to use them as spiritual vessels. From this it took another century until a list of actual symptoms was written to define what would classify a person with demonic possession. Pope Gregory the 1st, also known as Gregory the Great wrote the symptoms as follows.

- The ability to speak and/or understand one or more unknown languages.
- The ability to find secret things, read the mind, and divine future happenings.
- The ability to make physical efforts abnormal for that person.
- The act of spitting or vomiting every object the demons would have made the person swallow.
- Fear and/or hatred of holy objects.
- The inability to say the word "Christ".

These symptoms would remain in the Roman Catholic Church until it was finally redefined by Pope John Paul II in 1999. Although the 84 page ritual book containing the steps of the exorcism was relatively unchanged, Pope John Paul made it clear to comply with modern science. The most important procedure is consulting a Bishop into gaining permission to do an exorcism to be sure the victim of course IS in fact possessed, and not mentally ill. One of the most popular victims of demonic possession versus mental illness still remains to be Anneliese Michel. Anneliese being a young german girl that was killed during the stages of a failed exorcism, that ruled to be a type of mental illness, instead of demonic possession in the court of law. Although the church and the exorcists stand by the word of God saying the girl was in fact possessed, this is still a very controversial topic.

According to the Roman Catholic church, and other Catholic denominations such as Protestant and Anglican, the ritual remains the same. The exorcist which needs to be an ordained priest, first needs to request and be granted permission from a clergyman with no rank lower then a Bishop. Once permission is granted, the exorcist will generally receive a helper, whose main job is to return the prayers and the responses from the scriptures in the bible. The exorcist can choose any scriptures in the bible, but are pushed towards picking verses that include God or Jesus triumphing over the Devil/Satan. Also it is advised to pick from the book of Psalms, which has wise words and scripture passages referred by David and Solomon. While going through the ritual, the victim is sprinkled with Holy Water and the sign of the cross is made on the victims body. The procedure with the holy water and the sign of the cross is another procedure that is carried out to see if the victim is suffering from a mental illness or from demonic possession. It is said if holy water is sprinkled on the victim,they will writhe in pain, and will generally give out blasphemous responses to Jesus, Mary, or God himself. Many exorcists will also "fast" the victim, by only giving them a little food, and water in order to rid the body of poisoning toxins. In doing so, it is believed this will help put the body in a purified state, and will give the victim a better chance of rejecting the demonic influence. Finally a written incident once the exorcism is completed, is that the victim is said to see the Arch-Angel Michael who tells the demon to leave the body. Once this vision is clear, it is said the victim is no longer possessed, and regains full conscious.

Many exorcisms can last days, weeks, or even months to receive total purification. Once an exorcism is accomplished, it is advised that the victim is seen by a psychiatric to help with the traumatic events that transpired. While some victims have been noted to forget the whole incident all together.

Other religions have there own traditions when it comes to Demonic Possession. Wicca for instance do not believe in evil spirits therefore, exorcism would not be a part of there faith. Native American tribes believe a person can be possessed as well, but it is generally done by a deceased family member who has been lost on the way to the spirit world. In this case the shaman and the victim will enter a trance, and persuade the family member to join the spirit realm, and generally offer animal or material sacrifices in return.

In the catholic doctrine, there are a number of other writers and theologians that give there own ideas on exorcism. The biggest of them, is a Priest named Father Malachi Martin, who was in one of the highest Roman Catholic orders, the Jesuits. He wrote against the church in his book " Clerical Error " when he talked about certain groups within the church that were corrupted by the Devil himself. He was pardoned by Pope Paul VI, and left the church. Although he is an influential person, and has some finer points, I do not condone all of his work first hand. If you want information on his works and definition on what he titles "Perfect Possession", I would suggest looking into his work.

I hope this helps anyone that is interested in the topic. If you are interested in further and deeper information, do not hesitate to contact me, or look further yourself into the topics at hand.

God Bless,

As you already have a thread on this topic, I am going to merge the two.

The other one was for Demonic Possession, this one was for Exorcism, there is s difference between the two. If I could, I would like them seperated.

I for one am very happy that you are writing about Exorcisms from your Education and experiences and I am looking forward to reading everything you write because I for one know absolutely first hand that Possessions are true.
I have been reading a book about 'The Unquiet Dead' by Edith Fiore, a Psychiatrist who does Depossessions (Exorcisms?) and she is very well versed in this and uses hypnosis on not only the Patient but the Possessing Spirits and by helping the Possessing Spirits most likely of relatives and or people we have known who are not adjusting to their death well and so they try to take over a body near them to hopefully forget that they have died.

The Therapist uses her expertise to treat not only the patient but the Possessing Spirits mental condition and she says in her opinion about 70 percent of her patients are really possessed and when she heals the Spirit of the dead and they agree to leave the body the patient is always cured.

I have written about my situation before but not many believe it but even as I type here three of my Relatives and Dr. Petas are sitting quietly in my body now because the Book I am reading about Possession is helping and hopefully its only a matter of time before they accept their situation and agree to leave my body.

But we haven't at this time launched them towards heaven but I am continuing to try on a daily basis.

I would like for everyone to know when you have a situation like I do its not easy to convince others that its true but thank goodness there are a lot of good books out there written by those who have dealt with this and i think the Information that Azalin is writing here is great so keep going until everyone believes so if they ever have this problem they will have more sources to help them cope with it.