One question I want to know is this: how is it possession if you aren't possessed by spirits? Obviously it can't be opression either, because spirits wouldn't be involved, I'm sorry Azalin I agree with you in many aspects but this is just all to confusing

Sorry to confuse you Boltwave, it can be a bit confusing. My PERSONAL viewpoint on it, differs from Father Malachi's viewpoint, which is getting confusing.

Father Malachi beleives once a person is " Perfectly Possessed " there is nothing that can be done to save him. However, he believes the person is still very much possessed by a demonic entity. The only thing stopping someone from getting exorcised, is that persons free will, God would never walk over that. However, it's believed part of being possessed, is the demon taking away your free will. Personally, I would see that a person can be exorcised, and then if they wanted too, they could invite those demons back in, that seems fair and just. However, to say that the person is infected by a demon, and it can never be driven out is farce. The demon can be driven out under THOSE circumstances, and if wanted, the demon can be invited back into the host.

My view on perfect possession however is someone that is not possessed, just someone that enjoys killing, and enjoys torturing other people. You don't have to be possessed, to have a sick mind, and I find these people that relish in doing some un-speakable acts are in fact perfectly possessed. I just personally believe not every evil person in this world is possessed. There are a number of them that do it on their own terms, because them, themselves are very much twisted individuals.

I hope that clears up a bit of information for you boltwave.

It was "confusing" because of what you said on Malachi's views. Which sounded like they were similar to yours, when in fact, they are not.

Yea, think I was a little confused there. My apologies Yelekiah, and Boltwave, and HKCavalier.

It's ok
Good that it's all cleared up.

I wish it were true that I am making these claims to get attention but its the God's truth everything I write in many threads on here telling my Story hoping to cause others to Believe that these things can happen and also believe in Life beyond Earth.
I also think its important to know that three of these Spirits were my Relatives when they walked the Earth and they give many reasons for doing these things to me.
Dr. petas died of a Sudden heart attack in l985 (and as he tells it ) he was out jogging with one of his Mistresses that he was trying to break it off with and while they were arguing he had a heart attack and she thinking her husband would divorce her if he caught here with him again she did the cowardly thing and ran off leaving him without medical care and other joggers found him on the Trail Later.
I read in the paper that he lay in the Hospital Morgue for more than 24 hours without anyone identifying him and since he was a Dr. who spent long hours at the Hospital his family didn't think anything about him not coming home and just assumed he was at the Hospital.
My Three Relatives who are sitting inside my body with him may have been influenced to help him because they were simple folk when they walked the Earth and he was a Psychiatrist and its possible that he had the Power to take control of him and turn them against me.
He is so filled with hate, blaming the woman who left him to die on the Jogging Trail and from the Spirit World he said its also my fault for causing him Stress for five years because I left town with another man in the Seventies after he told me loved me but I pointed out to him its the only thing I could since he had a wife and Five kids and I didn't want to become just another favorite in his Harem.
I think the real raeson he is doing this to me is I am the only Psychic Medium that he knows and he can climb into my body and inflict pain day and night and I will write and tell the world how he feels.
You may say just stop writing with him and he will go away.
I have tried that but when I try tio ignore him or sending him away he and my Three Realtives try to tear my brain out and do all sorts of things to me and they say if God doesn't like it let him come down here and prove he has power over them.
They say they are sick of all the pie in the Sky Crap that many Psychics are peddling to the World and they say they are here to set the record straight.
One of them died in the 40's, one in the 50's and one in the 60's and Dr. Stergio Nicholas Petas one of Toledo, Ohiio's most prestigious Psychiatrists died in the summer of l985 and all of them say in all those years they have never seen Hell and don't even know if there is a Hell or if the Scribes who wrote the Bible were just winging it when they wrote those things and did it just to scare people into being good.
There is no Punctuation in this copy because every time I sit down to write here the Spirits join me on the Computer and tell whatever Story they want to that day through Automatic Writing.
I however will attest to the fact that they are doing the things we write about and I am not sure how I will ever get them out of my body but I know if no one ever exorcises them one day when this body dies and they have no place to hide they will have to leave this body or sit inside it while it rots around them then we will see if that gets them out.
In the Meantime hopefully we convince someone there is truly Life after Death.
But is there Death beyond Death for Evil Spirits?

I think that is my favorite part. You have posted it again and again, and still it makes no sense. For one thing you are using punctuation in your posts...regardless...onto my point:

Let me see if I get this straight; the spirits of your family members have entered your body to make you think certain things in order to get their point across. They speak through you via automatic writing...but they do not like punctuation?

Punctuation? really? somehow these spirits have the power to traverse across spiritual realms and the immense power to control your mind, yet they shy away from a comma? semicolon?

That just makes no sense whatsoever...

I never said they don't like Punctuation, what I said is when they join me here doing Automatic Writing the thoughts go so fast that it just slaps the words on the paper and in order for me to check it and put the Punctuation in I would have to go back and spend time doing that when I would rather explain how Automatic Writing is done because who knows you might be writing on a writing pad or typewriter one day and suddenly it feels like you are off and running faster than you can even think and this is because sometimes four or more Spirits both good and bad are trying to get conrol over the Typewriter so they can get their own ideas across.
But really I can't expect someone like you without any experience whatsoever in these things to understand where I'm coming from but perhaps you will learn more as time goes along.

Sometimes some of these Spirits who appear are so Highly Intelligent that its kind of like Einstein trying to communicate with First Graders.
And while I'm at it on many Occassions Albert Einstein will appear to me smiling and say listen to the news another Breakthrough will be announced from some of the Notes that you mailed off for Research that you got from the Guides in the Spirit World.

Rosemary, could I PM you? I tried, but you've got it switched off or something

Funny, I never gave a specific name yet you replied.

Sure you can.
I am not good on the pm board so I could have done something wrong.
You can also E-Mail me if you want to my E-Mail is Kitty1392@aol.com
In fact anyone who wants to ask questions on this or comment an E-Mail me.
My Pm was full and I tried to empty it and the message said all the Mail would be E-Mailed to me soon and then maybe the pm will work.

Has anyone thought about the impact religious mania? The Jnl of Brit Psych Assoc. had an article about this very topic about 6 or 7 years ago. If I remember correctly there was a doctor in the Netherlands who studied patients in institutions who had been diagnosed with this disorder. They responded well to medicinal treatment and when taken off the meds they resumed their patterns of behaviour. The mind is a very powerful thing. Is it such a stretch to jump from the religious maniac to the one who believes they are possessed and therefore displays all relevant symptoms. The parallel that comes to mind is hysterical pregnancy.

So Jesus and Einstein have visited you? If you don't mind I was curious as to what kind of information they passed on (Nothing personal of course) to you. Have you met many other people?

Yes, I agree that people can cause their own hate, but why classify it as possession, that's what doesn't make sense to me

Rosemary, why are you even engaging with these spirits if all they mean you is harm? That makes no sense, and furthermore, you are going around in circles it's making my head spin


Please stop making these long posts for your own good, I think you have allot of people out there on their computers thinking there is seriously something wrong with you, your getting carried away with explaining yourself, the whole world isn't going to believe or agree with you or I or what anyone else says, it will always be debatable.

So please stop making claims that you've been seeing Jesus or Albert Einstein, because I honestly think this isn't benefiting you or your reputation here, as for me, I know you are telling the truth when you say you see these things, but I'm going to let you in on something it is not rational to explain it to the whole world, I for one, agree you may have saw what represented Jesus in the flesh but I disagree that you saw the actual man himself, what you probably saw was a spiritual deception of some sort, or perhaps mental thinking, bottom line, you are lost in a delusional sense and I think the devil has tricked your mind with plenty of traps and snares, and now, all I can say is you are caught up in his little game until you break out of this.


On another note, when making these claims on the internet I CAN gurantee you that allot of people will not take you seriously, for that matter, they may find it hysterical, just please find some help and get cleansed, and for god's sake, don't engage with the devil, that's a very big no no unless you are handled in ways to fight off his power

Boltwave...this is a public forum, let her do what she wants. She's a lot older than you, it's kind of rude telling her what to do anyway.

Well, I didn't mean to be rude, so if I seemed that way I apologize

This morning I read a wonderful article on the Main Board titled:
"The Paranormal Unveiled' January 3, 2006.
I am not recommending it to anyone specifically but just thought I would mention it because I think it hits the Nail right on the Head.

I can see your point. I don't exactly have a solid opinion on this one because I have never seen evidence to show it to be proven true or false. I am one who believes anything is possible. I try not to jump and say immediately that I don't believe something unless I have something before me to prove it to be false.
One interesting point you brought up though, how people could see various syndroms as being possession... It makes me think about lots of the things people say in ancient text...I mean think about it... How would someone who lived in (for example) the 1500s describe in words things like the internet, or TV, indoor plumbing, etc. It definately gives you something to think about.

For the time being, I don't wish to state my opinion on Rosemary's situation, but it was my understanding that people with Schizophrenia are not aware of the other personality unless someone else takes them to the doctor, and the doctor tells them this is the case. Like the crazy don't know they are crazy.

Anyone know more about this? I am by no means an expert, this is just based on what I have heard. I had a co-worker that was diagnosed, and told me so, but I never saw any change in her. Of course she was on medication, so who knows?

Yes, schizophrenia is a hard illness to grab at,those possessed by spirits usually can identify their problems, and some times they don't themselves, trick buisness as it may seem

So schizophrenia and demonic possession is a possibility?
edit: at the same time I mean.

hey guys I just saw "The Exorcism of Emily Rose" and was hoping that the DVD would have more info on the German girl they got the story from, but that was not the case.
I grew up in Paraguay, South America. My parents were Missionaries there for over 20 years. I do believe in demon possesion because I have witnessed this twice. I was between the age of 14-16.
The first time was at a youth group service on a Saturday night. We were singing a song and this girl collapsed to the floor. She was a visitor that night and I did not know her. They quickly took her back in a room and placed her on a bed under a ceiling fan. I did not go and see what was wrong with her because she started screaming and grunting. This was so insane and I was very scared.
The second time was at one of our church camps for youth. Being American I got a lot of attention from the girls, and at camp we had a dinner banquet night where you were incouraged to bring a date or try to. This girl , i forget her name, approached me and asked me if I wanted to go with her to the dinner banquet. I had already asked a girl so I explained that to her. On the last day of camp we had a open "mike" meeting where you could express what that years camp meant to you or anything like that. The girl that had asked me to the dinner got up in front to talk and she broke down crying and sort of ran back behind the pavilion like building the camp had. I remember feeling bad for her and walked around the building to see what was wrong, and as I approached I saw that she was being held down by at least 4 men. This was a 15 or 16 year old girl. She was going totally insane! She had a really deep voice and she was screaming and yelling at the people around. I got closer and one man said "go away she is possessed and she is telling us the bad things we have committed(or something of that nature). It took prayer and reading of scripture to calm whatever was in her down. Afterwards she was totally exhausted. That was so real. I experienced that with some of my best friends.
So I have no doubt that a person can be possessed by a demon or demons.
I can see why some of you can't believe something like this unless you experience it first hand. Please DO NOT go looking for an experience.

Thank you for your story, and I hope your friends fine inner peace with God.

Yes, but not exactly, you have to look at it more as opression with schizophrenics, basically where Satan can control the human mind, like a pest breaking into a group of cords and wires to some high power facility, dis-connecting and re-assembling wires all in the wrong place.



Ah yes, it is possible that demons act crazy inside a person when confronted by a person, compelling them in the name of God, there are many explanations, in some areas, the film was weak because there are so many people that would just sit there and laugh most likely at the scene of the exorcism, and the out of body experience was not neccesary, they could have easily told the story and left that out.

But I look for the message, not the entertainment value, point being, the devil can act strange and crazy mostly to get attention out of that person's equal peers, it's best to avoid engaging or conversating with one, they are nothing but trouble

I have experienced this effect of your brain running along and the thoughts come so fast you can't decipher them properly. I hate to tell you this; but it is actually a very common symptom of schizophrenia (which I am medicated for).

EDITED BY EDW 74 FOR SPELLING

Would it mattet to say that the movie is based on and though off on some points still fairly accurate to a true story?

Probably not, I don't know why I try, you have your opinions.

You know what we say about opinions? they're like (expletive deleted)holes, everyone's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.

I'll agree with that, too often we're clouded by the belief that "we" are right and "they" are wrong.

"there is no truth only personal opinion"

And just for the record, yes, I am schizophrenic, and I have never been visited by "demons" or possessed at any point in my life... I've had a few strange experiences but these have been few and far between, and nine times out of ten validated by other people.

Schizophrenia and Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) are two different disorders. They both however affect about 1% of the population. If I remember correctly in DID there is a central personality that governs the rest and that alternate personalities are aware of one another. The person themselves may be unaware of the other personalities.

People with some forms schizophrenia are not 'crazy' all the time. They can experience long time frames in which they are very lucid. It is all dependant on the severity of their disorder.

so you like demons?

If that was directed at me demonhunter, Id have a problem answering you. I don’t believe in demons so there is nothing to like or dislike.

oh ok.

Psychics are not Schizophrenics.
They are called psychics, or Channelllers for Spirits and sometimes they are called mediums, and this is so because they are able to communicate with Enities in the World Beyond where we all go after we shed our Earthly Bodies and when the Spirit Leaves the body all the intelligence of the Brain goes with them and the physical brain in the Head is just an empty casing which holds the Intelligence part of the Brain and when the Spirit wishes to it can speak back to Earth through those who are able to do this and they can appear to Humans in any Form they wish to.
Sometimes the Spirits who speak back are nice and sometimes they are not because depending on how they died dictates the way they feel in the Spirit World and sometimes it takes them a long time to get over their death and work through all the feelings they have when they arrive in the after Life.
I am not trying to be mean here its just that when I read some of these boards I realize that its hard to get this experience but I do believe that anyone who wants to can see and Communicate with Spirits.
But you're right lots of times Psychiatrists and Therapists who have no knowledge or understanding of these things don't understand what is going on when some patient begins to hear and see things that they don't understand and some of those people may not understand about the voices and seeing things and they might also mistakenly not know what is happening to them.
I do however believe that people can learn to tell the difference and i believe one day in the future some of the people who thought they were hearing voices and seeing things will come to understand they are just seeing Spirits of the Dead who have returned to visit them.
Locked doors can't keep Spirits out because once they shed their Earthly body they can go anywhere they want to and enter any house or building they choose to because doors and locks can't keep them out.

This is all your opinion and should be taken as that. An opinion.If someone is hearing and seeing things, they should see a doctor. Something is medically wrong.

Or they could choose friends who have their Psychic Gift who know the Truth.
Choosing a doctor who thinks like some of the Non-believers would not be the answer because that doctor too would no doubt make a Diagnosis and fill the person full of pills instead of becoming informed so that he or she would know how to deal with people who are psychic and don't understand that is why they are seeing Spirits and hearing voice speaking to them from beyond the Veil of Death.
Uninformed people who respond to psychics like me, Sylvia Brown, John Edwards and others and make remarks like they do could actually be setting Paranormal Research back to the Dark Ages instead of moving it forward into the new Millinium where it is headed.

"Paranormal Research", like all other endeavors for the discovery of new information on the frontier of the unknown, falls under the jurisdiction of "Science" - "Doctors" are medical scientists.

Acceptance of a new discpline or "fact" requires, in science, a number of criteria to be met (aka the Scientific Method). One of these is repeatability. You must demonstrably be able to reproduce the event or activity in a laboratory or other environment, or have equally solid facts indicating why this is not possible (such as altitude, etc).

Science will never accept "Paranormal Research" or Parapsychology as long as either the phenomenae remain resistant to repeatability, or until the requirements for scientific acceptance change to account for some things which cannot always be reproduced. Psychology and some areas of physics and even mathematics are scientific yet are not always repeatable, but solid explanations or evidence or reasoning is given in place of this lack of criteria.

"Believing" that you are in communication with an entity is not acceptable. Producing pages of written material "given" to you "from the spirit world" is not acceptable.

So it depends. If you mean the objectively valid, yet frustrating and elusive "Paranormal Research", such as that conducted by J.B. Rhine and other real scientists, no, I do not believe that having a rational and skeptical outlook and requiring substantial supporting evidence will "set it back". If you mean the "Paranormal Research" that has people wandering around in graveyards with dowsing rods, wearing crystal pendants to boost their psionics, and conducting seances for $150/hour, yes, I think a scientific mindset is a detriment to that.

Since one of the symptoms is speaking/understanding unkown languages, does this mean that people who start speaking in tongues are possessed? I always thought that speaking in tongues meant that they had a very powerful spiritual connection with God.

It really depends, there are dark and evil tongues which the devil uses fluently through those he possesses, the holy language of tongues is more of a inner communication with God.

Thats also a point of contention among religious types, scientists and paranormal investigators - a sort of three way disagreement. Some "demons" can also speak a number of languages, just to muddy the issue even further.

Being able to speak unknown and/or dead languages, or languages you don't know is categorized by parapsychologists - amusingly, their case studies include BOTH possessions AND religious meetings.

And I won't go into the misinterpretation of "tongues", which actually means that the speaker is able to speak in any of the "normal" human languages - not some special "divine" language.

I had a bad migraine once, and every time I tried to say something it came out as gobbledegook, I went to see my GP the following day and was told that although this is not a common occurrance with migraines it is known to happen, and also with some head injuries.

My wife's grandmother used to speak in tongues. She said that it was the holy spirit communicating with her. I believed her, no reason not to.

Due to the topics on demonic possession, I thought I would bump this thread.

Why are there two identical topics on the Ghost & Paranormal Forum.

I bumped this thread because dancin'hamster's topic more or less talks about demonic possession as a myth, while I fight for it's realism.

Thank you for continuing to write about Demonic Possessions.

I recently logged onto a website where they have two priests talking about their Experiences with Possessions on a Talk Show in Ireland.

One of the Priests is a Psychiatrist and the two of them talk about their work with the Possessed and about performing exorcisms.

I listened to the 20 minute Video which I think is very enlightening and I believe you might find it interesting.
http://www.rte.ie/tv/latelate/

I am currently researching demonic possession for a school research paper and so far i have found that everything can be proven scientifically. Having personality disfunctions can be hysteria, or schizophrenia, or other psychological malfunctions, seizures and convulsions are symptoms of epilepsy, lewd and obscene acts can indicate mental disorders. Having sexual thoughts, if taken seriously as a sign of demonic possession, would indicate nearly all of the modern population is possessed, especially the men. Small, unhealthy stomachs can indicate malnutrition and other medical disorders. Also, having knowledge of future events or information is known as clairvoyance by many occultists and Neo-pagan witches which they consider a special spiritual gift. In the rare case of supernatural strength, possible loved one being in danger. In light of such evidence it seems the term demonic possession is hardly functional anymore. Also the ways to cure demonic possession seems ridiculous. One way i found was to get yourself a Super Soaker, fill it with holy water and blast the Satanic squatter in the noodle. I also found if you just mix daily Tang with the holy water in the Super Soaker, it might prevent demonic possession altogether, like birth control pills or regular flossing.


Go Buckeyes!!!

I don't mean to insulting... OK maybe I do, but anyone that believes in such things as demonic or holy posession is off their friggin rocker! You are simply a bunch of silly little ninnies! Why can you people not accept the fact that there is no such thing as the "supernatural?" There is absolutely no evidence of the supernatural that cannot be proven to have a scientific explanation. Simple as that. And how stuck up and self-important would someone have to be in order to believe that they are important enough to be directly communicating with the holy spirit? That's just my little rant for today...

LOL! Great sense of humor. Be sure to include that wit in your research paper; and try your best to make it research, not regurgitation. So little of what's printed in "research" papers and theses is genuine. For example, all Civil War historians are dead. Anyone claiming to be a historian on that subject this very day is a regurgitating scholar. Some of them make big money collaborating with Hollywood, but they haven't done any research.

The most troubling aspect of your proposal is that not even the brightest minds in the medical community have a firm grasp on the nature of the illnesses you've listed, nor their root causes. It's quite lofty for one still in school to tackle a subject with which you appear to have no professional experience, using medical and scientific references as a guide.

I've spoken with people diagnosed bipolar and schizophrenic, in person and on this site. The doctors increase the doses of medication without any benefit. Sometimes, the side effects are worse than the conditions. Why do the conditions worsen or remain stationary? They're not organic in nature and the soul cannot be drugged.

Strive for a "Well, now!" response from your professor, not "Oh, yeah. I know that.

Well GodofFire,u certainly r an angry person, i wonder if u evr had a gf in ur life? Anyway, thanx for the good feedback FrankBlunt, i really have an iq of genius lvl and i was in the IB programme in middle and high school. I have also been researching this topic a while, so i know what im talking about.

I don't mean to poke fun what so ever, but I have never met a genuis that uses bad english abbreviations.