exeller
Apr 18 2006, 11:01 PM
I know this might be old news, but a while ago, two 13 year old boys were hanged for being gay. I think it is EXTREMELY cruel, but I just wanted someone elses opinion.
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rossyair1
Apr 18 2006, 11:07 PM
thats sick....it amazes me how closeminded some people are
Yelekiah
Apr 18 2006, 11:11 PM
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"One little known fact is these boys were 'accused' of raping a 13-year-old boy at knifepoint."
Is that part true?
BZRK
Apr 18 2006, 11:31 PM
Well this story is horrifying to say the least....
I mean even if they did rape that 13 year old boy no one has the right to take anyone else's life but god himself.
Executing them is a easy way out, no pain especially hanging, where the neck breaks and its an instant death.
Why not let them go to jail for life, and think about what they did wrong.
Iran, they call themselves a islamic nation but yet they execute people. In the Quran it specifically states that no one has the right to take someone else's life but god. But yet they execute people.
All im saying is that these boys should have had a trial at least, and let the evidence speak for its self.
The story just says they were executed for being Gay and hardly about raping a boy.
Capital punishment is just wrong.
Cheers
BZRK
LostLittleGirl
Apr 19 2006, 12:16 AM
Suadi Arabia also excutes people if I remeber what I learnd in World Geography in High School. In the Middle East Homosexuality is an act aginst God or something like that.
RamboIII
Apr 19 2006, 12:20 AM
the sad thing is they probably werent even gay. 13 if awfully young to know that kind of thing
LostLittleGirl
Apr 19 2006, 12:21 AM
Some people have claimed to have known they were gay from the age of five so it is possible.
XSAS
Apr 19 2006, 09:35 AM
These boys were 16 and 17.. or did I read that wrong? and these boys were 'accused' of raping a 13-year-old boy at knifepoint."
I have no sympathy for them. The article states "This is a crime against humanity. We cannot bring these boys back to life. The injustice against them is complete, total, and irrevocable." what about the injustice in raping a 13 year old at knife point what about that kids life that will be scarred.
I think if I were the parent of the 13 year old I would have strung them up myself.
AztecInca
Apr 19 2006, 11:07 AM
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OutRage reports that Iran has killed more than 4,000 gay men and women since 1979
These two boys were only ever accussed of raping that 13-year old boy and it certainly makes it seem more justifiable to execute them, very convenient indeed. Most likely they were killed merely for being homosexual.
tiddlyjen
Apr 19 2006, 12:04 PM
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OutRage reports that Iran has killed more than 4,000 gay men and women since 1979
These two boys were only ever accussed of raping that 13-year old boy and it certainly makes it seem more justifiable to execute them, very convenient indeed. Most likely they were killed merely for being homosexual.
Exactly, its more than likely just a gay-hate crime, although they got what they deserved, it makes me sick.
najaesouljah
Apr 19 2006, 08:12 PM
It seems to me like they executed the boys for all the wrong reasons.
Dakotabre
Apr 21 2006, 04:03 AM
I think this is disgusting, no one has the right to take lives.....
Because the link to the sight was removed: this bit below was on e the site:
But in the memory of them, please take a moment to write a letter of protest, send an e-mail that communicates your disgust, launch a fax against the horror perpetrated by these murderers against such young people.
The Interest Section of the Islamic Republic of Iran in the United States has a web site. They provide requests@daftar.org as an e-mail address.
You can write and fax:
Iranian Representative
Interest Section of the Islamic Republic of Iran
2209 Wisconsin Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20007
Tel: (202) 965-4990
Fax: (202) 965-1073
You may write, telephone, or fax the Iranian ambassador in Canada:
Ambassador Seyed Mouhammad Ali Moosavi, Embassy of Iran, 245 Metcalfe St., Ottawa, Ontario .K2P 2K2 Canada Telephone (OO1-613- 235-4726, 233-4726; Fax, 233-5712
XSAS
Apr 21 2006, 07:07 AM
QUOTE(Dakotabre @ Apr 21 2006, 05:03 AM) [snapback]1157404[/snapback]
I think this is disgusting, no one has the right to take lives.....
Because the link to the sight was removed: this bit below was on e the site:
But in the memory of them, please take a moment to write a letter of protest, send an e-mail that communicates your disgust, launch a fax against the horror perpetrated by these murderers against such young people.
The Interest Section of the Islamic Republic of Iran in the United States has a web site. They provide requests@daftar.org as an e-mail address.
You can write and fax:
Iranian Representative
Interest Section of the Islamic Republic of Iran
2209 Wisconsin Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20007
Tel: (202) 965-4990
Fax: (202) 965-1073
You may write, telephone, or fax the Iranian ambassador in Canada:
Ambassador Seyed Mouhammad Ali Moosavi, Embassy of Iran, 245 Metcalfe St., Ottawa, Ontario .K2P 2K2 Canada Telephone (OO1-613- 235-4726, 233-4726; Fax, 233-5712
I am sure the 13 year old they raped and his family would appreciate the bleeding hearts supporting these 2 rapists... does no one ever consider what the victim is going through?
These 2 that were hung were 16 and 17 year old and 'accused' of raping a 13-year-old boy at knifepoint." they are old enough to understand their cirme and the cosequences that it brings.
Yanna`
Apr 21 2006, 07:22 AM
that is so cruel. No one has the right to take someone else life no matter what they're crime is.
Yanna`
Apr 21 2006, 07:23 AM
that is so cruel. No one has the right to take someone else life no matter what they're crime is.
__Kratos__
Apr 21 2006, 07:25 AM
QUOTE(Yanna` @ Apr 21 2006, 02:23 AM) [snapback]1157547[/snapback]
that is so cruel. No one has the right to take someone else life no matter what they're crime is.
No one has the right to prey on the innocent, no matter how innocent they are?
XSAS
Apr 21 2006, 07:31 AM
QUOTE(Yanna` @ Apr 21 2006, 08:23 AM) [snapback]1157547[/snapback]
that is so cruel. No one has the right to take someone else life no matter what they're crime is.
No one has the right to rape an innocent 13 year old at knife point also and as far as I am concerned these 2 gave up their rights when they carried out ths horrific act.
Kahrie
Apr 22 2006, 12:46 AM
QUOTE(XSAS @ Apr 21 2006, 07:07 PM) [snapback]1157534[/snapback]
I am sure the 13 year old they raped and his family would appreciate the bleeding hearts supporting these 2 rapists... does no one ever consider what the victim is going through?
These 2 that were hung were 16 and 17 year old and 'accused' of raping a 13-year-old boy at knifepoint." they are old enough to understand their cirme and the cosequences that it brings.
um maybe if you read it right you would know

it said THEY WERE ACCUSED nothing was ever proven

most likely a cover up because they were gay
rapid7
Apr 22 2006, 12:55 AM
That’s odd? I’m sure ‘rape’ or even being gay, are not considered to be crimes in Iran.
Kahrie
Apr 22 2006, 12:57 AM
QUOTE(rapid7 @ Apr 22 2006, 12:55 PM) [snapback]1158348[/snapback]
That’s odd? I’m sure ‘rape’ or even being gay, are not considered to be crimes in Iran.

thats were your wrong they kill people all the time over there for being Gay
Tobias Shamtul
May 14 2006, 06:21 PM
why are people gay in the first place? i mean honestly. who started this by being gay?
exeller
May 14 2006, 06:29 PM
QUOTE(rapid7 @ Apr 22 2006, 12:55 AM) [snapback]1158348[/snapback]
That’s odd? I’m sure ‘rape’ or even being gay, are not considered to be crimes in Iran.

I'm not too enlightened about islamic teachings, but I think Muhammed has written that being gay is wrong.
QUOTE(Tobias Shamtul @ May 14 2006, 06:21 PM) [snapback]1188263[/snapback]
why are people gay in the first place? i mean honestly. who started this by being gay?
I don't know, but what I do know is that it goes against nature.
Snowball
May 15 2006, 08:12 AM
QUOTE(exe11er @ May 14 2006, 07:29 PM) [snapback]1188276[/snapback]
I don't know, but what I do know is that it goes against nature.
I think you'll find that there are plenty of recorded examples of same sex pair bonding in the animal world.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20..._gayanimal.html
Kaknelson
May 15 2006, 08:13 AM
Blame society, for children being gay in the first place.
Raptor
May 15 2006, 05:52 PM
QUOTE(Tobias Shamtul @ May 14 2006, 07:21 PM) [snapback]1188263[/snapback]
why are people gay in the first place? i mean honestly. who started this by being gay?
It's not a 'trend' that just started, peoples sexual preference is dictated by their hormones, in most cases that leads to heterosexual attractions, but there are of of course exceptions.
75mcherch
May 15 2006, 06:03 PM
agreed.
Some people theorize that "gayness" is a disease or disorder of the brain, which is pure fiction. Being gay, however, is not always genetic. MOST gay people DO choose to be gay, due to problems with the opposite sex, etc.
Kaknelson
May 15 2006, 06:05 PM
Yeah, but it is formed from one being a product of their environment. IMO it isn't scientific.
OlDrippy34
May 15 2006, 06:12 PM
I blame the Doodlebops.
75mcherch
May 15 2006, 06:13 PM
I agree that homosexuality is a product of society's increasing tolerance to the immoral. I also believe that it is immoral to choose to be gay. However, I also believe that certain homosexuals were created to test our nerves, basically to see whether we would HATE them or not.
Besides, there is no use in hating them ,after all, its a problem that is not likely to go away anytime soon!!
__Kratos__
May 15 2006, 06:54 PM
QUOTE(Kahrie @ Apr 21 2006, 07:46 PM) [snapback]1158324[/snapback]
um maybe if you read it right you would know

it said THEY WERE ACCUSED nothing was ever proven

most likely a cover up because they were gay

They were tried and that's why they were hanged. They raped another guy... That's grounds for hanging over there. As it should be worldwide.

QUOTE(Raptor X7 @ May 15 2006, 12:52 PM) [snapback]1189695[/snapback]
It's not a 'trend' that just started, peoples sexual preference is dictated by their hormones, in most cases that leads to heterosexual attractions, but there are of of course exceptions.
Got any proof of that claim?
QUOTE(75mcherch @ May 15 2006, 01:03 PM) [snapback]1189706[/snapback]
agreed.
Some people theorize that "gayness" is a disease or disorder of the brain, which is pure fiction. Being gay, however, is not always genetic. MOST gay people DO choose to be gay, due to problems with the opposite sex, etc.
Fiction? It is a disorder. Did you know up till 1979 it was in the psychology's book of mental disorders till high powered groups got it forced out? It is truely a mental problem to be gay or lesbian because the purpose of life is to spread on genes to keep your spieces going. *If* it is genetic and biological... they are a mental disorder by the facts of nature.
frogfish
May 15 2006, 07:33 PM
They raped a 13-year old for Pete's Sake! How do they NOT deserve execution? The world is better without these scum...
75mcherch
May 16 2006, 12:36 AM
REALLY? I had no knowledge that it was in the book of medical disorders.
I only know what I have read in books and such.
R3LOAD
May 16 2006, 01:44 AM
QUOTE(frogfish @ May 15 2006, 03:33 PM) [snapback]1189854[/snapback]
They raped a 13-year old for Pete's Sake! How do they NOT deserve execution? The world is better without these scum...
They do not deserve to have there lives taken for a mistake (yes, a very horrible mistake) they made in there teenage years, they have (had) there whole life ahead of them, plenty of time for a change to be made. Im not saying a change in them being gay, but a change in there violence involving this. If they where in america they would be given alot of time but would of ended up our of prison on parole probably within 10 years, given the fact that they where minors. you can't say these kids are scum, neither of us where there the day this happened, the goverment could of gave the media the explanation that they raped the kid at knifepoint. But even if they did I don't believe they should have there stolen from them.
Xoisk el Soñador
May 16 2006, 02:16 AM
QUOTE(Yanna` @ Apr 21 2006, 03:23 AM) [snapback]1157547[/snapback]
that is so cruel. No one has the right to take someone else life no matter what they're crime is.
agreed.
exeller
May 16 2006, 02:29 AM
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ May 15 2006, 06:54 PM) [snapback]1189797[/snapback]
They were tried and that's why they were hanged. They raped another guy... That's grounds for hanging over there. As it should be worldwide.
The Muslims view being gay as a crime against God. I am sure that even if they hadn't supposedly raped another boy, they would have been hung anyway. Now I don't view being gay as a crime or a sign of weakness, but from what religion teaches, God does. If God views it as wrong, then it should be left to God to punish the gay in the after life. It is wrong to hang someone because they are gay OR even if they've raped someone. It is like a someone who punishes someone elses child, us being the children and God our child. Two wrongs don't make a right. For any crime other than murder, people should be given a second chance. Needless to say they do deserve jail time. Even when someone commits murder, they should be given the choice to
spend life in prison or recieve the death penalty. Then again, you cannot blame the Muslims so much since Islam is the "blood hungry" religion.
saladins follower
May 18 2006, 02:06 AM
QUOTE(Yanna` @ Apr 21 2006, 07:23 AM) [snapback]1157547[/snapback]
that is so cruel. No one has the right to take someone else life no matter what they're crime is.
how would you feel if u were fuc*ed and you couldnt do nothin bout it
__Kratos__
May 18 2006, 02:26 AM
QUOTE(exe11er @ May 15 2006, 09:29 PM) [snapback]1190571[/snapback]
The Muslims view being gay as a crime against God. I am sure that even if they hadn't supposedly raped another boy, they would have been hung anyway. Now I don't view being gay as a crime or a sign of weakness, but from what religion teaches, God does. If God views it as wrong, then it should be left to God to punish the gay in the after life. It is wrong to hang someone because they are gay OR even if they've raped someone. It is like a someone who punishes someone elses child, us being the children and God our child. Two wrongs don't make a right. For any crime other than murder, people should be given a second chance. Needless to say they do deserve jail time. Even when someone commits murder, they should be given the choice to spend life in prison or recieve the death penalty. Then again, you cannot blame the Muslims so much since Islam is the "blood hungry" religion.
But despite all the rants about being gay or not gay,
they still raped an innocent person.
exeller
May 18 2006, 03:36 AM
Even if they've raped an innocent boy, as I've stated before, no one should have their life taken away unless they've commited murder. Then again, that's just my opinion, and maybe other people don't share my views because they aren't as forgiving as me. What troubles me, is that I don't think even the first name of the victim was mentioned, which gives me more reason to believe the victim never existed.
exeller
May 18 2006, 03:37 AM
QUOTE(saladins follower @ May 18 2006, 02:06 AM) [snapback]1193894[/snapback]
how would you feel if u were fuc*ed and you couldnt do nothin bout it

Not very good, but I still wouldn't wish death on anyone, you cannot come back.
novaceleste
May 18 2006, 03:42 AM
I don't think the punishment fits the crime. Putting someone to death is not to be taken lightly. I tend to agree that murderers should be the only ones put to death. There are ways to deal with other crimes, like prison.
Anyways, karma will always make sure one gets their just reward.
exeller
May 18 2006, 03:47 AM
QUOTE(novaceleste @ May 18 2006, 03:42 AM) [snapback]1194012[/snapback]
I don't think the punishment fits the crime. Putting someone to death is not to be taken lightly. I tend to agree that murderers should be the only ones put to death. There are ways to deal with other crimes, like prison.
Anyways, karma will always make sure one gets their just reward.
Thanks for seeing my truth NC
ValkyrieVoice
May 18 2006, 04:33 AM

While it's cruel, I'm tired of hearing about how bad gays are always being treated.
Kahrie
May 19 2006, 03:53 AM
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ May 16 2006, 06:54 AM) [snapback]1189797[/snapback]
They were tried and that's why they were hanged. They raped another guy... That's grounds for hanging over there. As it should be worldwide.

they were tried YES however NOTHING WAS EVER PROVEN OF THE 'RAPE' CLAIM
__Kratos__
May 19 2006, 05:18 AM
QUOTE(Kahrie @ May 18 2006, 10:53 PM) [snapback]1195562[/snapback]
they were tried YES however NOTHING WAS EVER PROVEN OF THE 'RAPE' CLAIM

Hmm...
QUOTE
The two male teenagers hanged in Mashad, Iran, July 19 were executed not for having sex with each other, as has been reported, but for raping a 13-year-old boy, Human Rights Watch is claiming.
The New York Times and the Times of London separately reported the same thing.
Mahmoud Asgari, 18, and Ayaz Marhoni, 19, allegedly raped the boy at least 14 months prior to their executions, meaning at least one, and perhaps both, of them were minors at the time.
International Lesbian and Gay Association - Source
exeller
May 19 2006, 06:52 AM
Even if they really did rape a 13 year old, they shouldn't be hanged. Unfortunately, since Islam is the blood-hungry religion, I guess we cannot expect anything less.
__Kratos__
May 19 2006, 07:13 AM
QUOTE(exe11er @ May 19 2006, 01:52 AM) [snapback]1195647[/snapback]
Even if they really did rape a 13 year old, they shouldn't be hanged. Unfortunately, since Islam is the blood-hungry religion, I guess we cannot expect anything less.
I'm not a Muslim and I'm agreeing with this. I really do love a lot of their punishments for killers, rapists and sickos. Really opens people's eyes of what will happen to them if they want to do the same thing.
exeller
May 19 2006, 07:27 AM
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ May 19 2006, 07:13 AM) [snapback]1195656[/snapback]
Really opens people's eyes of what will happen to them if they want to do the same thing.
Yeah, only the eyes of Muslims. Look at what the punishment for rape is here in america and canada
__Kratos__
May 19 2006, 09:14 AM
QUOTE(exe11er @ May 19 2006, 02:27 AM) [snapback]1195660[/snapback]
Yeah, only the eyes of Muslims. Look at what the punishment for rape is here in america and canada

Only Muslim's there because those are the only countries that practice that.
Yeah, they get some prison time and then released back into the general public. I would agree with that in some cases as many rapes each year are lies or the woman/man was just way to far out of it.
But if they have solid evidence and more... Hang them, fry them, shoot them, inject them with all sorts of goodie drugs to end their life... The bottom line is saying, you do this, you die.
lil_miz_cherubic
May 21 2006, 02:30 AM
*sighz* people don't CHOOSE to be gay they were born like- regarding to those people who said who started this gay buisness anyways- well they didn't choose to be gay and nobody started it people were born like that their brains are different from the "normal" people. Homosexual men's brains are more similar to heterosexual women's brains they think a little more alike and its not their fault its in genetic defects during birth so would you people. This has been proven and I assure you this is not BS if any of you people read books about the brain or search it on the internet you might find some information about it. And how does being gay go against nature? for God's sake it part of their nature! damn it.....
some people provoke me to kil.......

just kidding!
exeller
May 21 2006, 03:49 AM
QUOTE(lil_miz_cherubic @ May 21 2006, 02:30 AM) [snapback]1198501[/snapback]
*sighz* people don't CHOOSE to be gay they were born like- regarding to those people who said who started this gay buisness anyways- well they didn't choose to be gay and nobody started it people were born like that their brains are different from the "normal" people. Homosexual men's brains are more similar to heterosexual women's brains they think a little more alike and its not their fault its in genetic defects during birth so would you people. This has been proven and I assure you this is not BS if any of you people read books about the brain or search it on the internet you might find some information about it. And how does being gay go against nature? for God's sake it part of their nature! damn it.....
some people provoke me to kil.......

just kidding!

I agree, everytime I see someone who's gay, I just know it, just by listening to their voice, whaching their attitude, and their looks. This is mostly true of men
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