It has been sometime since I have written another walkthrough on my beliefs on certain spiritual phenomenon. This small report will be associated with the " De Exorcismus et supplicationibus quibusdam ", rite of the exorcism. Although I will not outline and give in-depth information regarding the expulsion of spirits in all religious sects, I will try to touch base as best as I can.


For the people that are not aware of what exorcism actually is, I will briefly sum it up. Exorcism is the rite in which someone drives the spirit entity out of human body, and or specific object.

Exorcism is a belief that has been around in ancient times. Civilizations such as Sumerians, and the Chaldeans believed in the ability of supernatural beings taking over the human body. Although the first actual incident recorded is in the bible, the Sumerians and Chaldeans still predate this. In the bible Jesus himself cast out the demon Legion that was possessed by a local man.

" 30 Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" He said, "Legion," for many demons had entered into him.

31 They begged him that he would not command them to go into the abyss.

32 Now there was there a herd of many pigs feeding on the mountain, and they begged him that he would allow them to enter into those. He allowed them.

33 The demons came out from the man, and entered into the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake, and were drowned, "

Since it was written, it was then believed through the power of God and Jesus Christ that demonic possession is curable. In the 4th century, St Hilary was the first to introduce the thought process that demons ( daemons ) take over our body's to use them as spiritual vessels. From this it took another century until a list of actual symptoms was written to define what would classify a person with demonic possession. Pope Gregory the 1st, also known as Gregory the Great wrote the symptoms as follows.

- The ability to speak and/or understand one or more unknown languages.
- The ability to find secret things, read the mind, and divine future happenings.
- The ability to make physical efforts abnormal for that person.
- The act of spitting or vomiting every object the demons would have made the person swallow.
- Fear and/or hatred of holy objects.
- The inability to say the word "Christ".

These symptoms would remain in the Roman Catholic Church until it was finally redefined by Pope John Paul II in 1999. Although the 84 page ritual book containing the steps of the exorcism was relatively unchanged, Pope John Paul made it clear to comply with modern science. The most important procedure is consulting a Bishop into gaining permission to do an exorcism to be sure the victim of course IS in fact possessed, and not mentally ill. One of the most popular victims of demonic possession versus mental illness still remains to be Anneliese Michel. Anneliese being a young german girl that was killed during the stages of a failed exorcism, that ruled to be a type of mental illness, instead of demonic possession in the court of law. Although the church and the exorcists stand by the word of God saying the girl was in fact possessed, this is still a very controversial topic.

According to the Roman Catholic church, and other Catholic denominations such as Protestant and Anglican, the ritual remains the same. The exorcist which needs to be an ordained priest, first needs to request and be granted permission from a clergyman with no rank lower then a Bishop. Once permission is granted, the exorcist will generally receive a helper, whose main job is to return the prayers and the responses from the scriptures in the bible. The exorcist can choose any scriptures in the bible, but are pushed towards picking verses that include God or Jesus triumphing over the Devil/Satan. Also it is advised to pick from the book of Psalms, which has wise words and scripture passages referred by David and Solomon. While going through the ritual, the victim is sprinkled with Holy Water and the sign of the cross is made on the victims body. The procedure with the holy water and the sign of the cross is another procedure that is carried out to see if the victim is suffering from a mental illness or from demonic possession. It is said if holy water is sprinkled on the victim,they will writhe in pain, and will generally give out blasphemous responses to Jesus, Mary, or God himself. Many exorcists will also "fast" the victim, by only giving them a little food, and water in order to rid the body of poisoning toxins. In doing so, it is believed this will help put the body in a purified state, and will give the victim a better chance of rejecting the demonic influence. Finally a written incident once the exorcism is completed, is that the victim is said to see the Arch-Angel Michael who tells the demon to leave the body. Once this vision is clear, it is said the victim is no longer possessed, and regains full conscious.

Many exorcisms can last days, weeks, or even months to receive total purification. Once an exorcism is accomplished, it is advised that the victim is seen by a psychiatric to help with the traumatic events that transpired. While some victims have been noted to forget the whole incident all together.

Other religions have there own traditions when it comes to Demonic Possession. Wicca for instance do not believe in evil spirits therefore, exorcism would not be a part of there faith. Native American tribes believe a person can be possessed as well, but it is generally done by a deceased family member who has been lost on the way to the spirit world. In this case the shaman and the victim will enter a trance, and persuade the family member to join the spirit realm, and generally offer animal or material sacrifices in return.

In the catholic doctrine, there are a number of other writers and theologians that give there own ideas on exorcism. The biggest of them, is a Priest named Father Malachi Martin, who was in one of the highest Roman Catholic orders, the Jesuits. He wrote against the church in his book " Clerical Error " when he talked about certain groups within the church that were corrupted by the Devil himself. He was pardoned by Pope Paul VI, and left the church. Although he is an influential person, and has some finer points, I do not condone all of his work first hand. If you want information on his works and definition on what he titles "Perfect Possession", I would suggest looking into his work.

I hope this helps anyone that is interested in the topic. If you are interested in further and deeper information, do not hesitate to contact me, or look further yourself into the topics at hand.

God Bless,

As you already have the same thread I am going to merge this one...


...kidding..just kidding...

That is very interesting Azalin, it brought some points I have already known of, as well as others that are not so familiar to me, I would consider you as my co-mentor, I have another priest who is guiding me with my questions and etc., it'd be nice to get a second hand opinion as well. (This priest is Protestant, while you are Catholic)

Heh heh. Once again, thank you sir.



Know that I am always here to help in any way possible Boltwave. If you have any questions on this topic, address them here or to me personally.

Thank you for this wonderful information!! Oh, and out of sheer curiosity, have you ever performed an exorcism?

Turns out no, I asked him that question already and as you can see he has not dabbled with anything of the paranormal ironically

i was wondering if you might answer a question for me. in the accepted catholic exorcism right it begins by naming a number of organisations whom one must end ones affiliation with in order to 'cleanse' oneself. one of these mentioned is the freemasons. my question is how affiliation with the orgainzation spawned from the one which came up with the exorcism rigths to begin with (the views on demons and their weaknesses were mentioned first in the keys of solomon) would have any bearing what so ever on wether or not a person could preform the ritual? if anything a moasonic exorcism would one would think be more accepted as the tecniques are older and one would belive in dealing with a really old demon more effective as it is a less time corrupted version. just a thought.

Azalin is my hero

Great question. And in response, I will do my best to give you a great answer .

Freemasonry was a trait that became against the church during 13th of October 1307. This was when the King, Philip IV of France put out a decree to arrest all templar knights. The majority of which associate themselves with the freemasonry. For the people that also do not know, this is also where the superstition of friday the 13 arose from, at least, it's one theory towards it. The templar knights fled it is believed to Scotland, where they were shelted and mingled with the townspeople, and continued to teach the freemason abilities. King Philip IV did all of this just to avoid tax fraud, and he also wanted the money the templar knights had been generating from receiving taxes decreed by the church. Its not sure where freemasonry stemmed from, but its believed perhaps from Noah in his engineering genius of the Ark, Enoch, or the Templar Knights AKA, Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ. After they were disbanded, and decrees were made, the views on it changed. Today they are seen as a secret society. People claim to be decendants from the ancient guild of knights, however they have disbanded there religious outlook. Although they claim not to be a religious cult, the Roman Catholic Church labels them believers in a Freemasonry type God, a type of Supreme Being. If anyone associates themselves in this society or surpreme being, the exorcism will obviously fail.


Now with that said, you can see why the organization was shun by the Roman Catholic church, whether freemasonry was said to of built the marvelous temple or not. The rite of the roman catholic exorcism was mainly revised in 1614. The outcasting of the templars and the freemasonry was in 1307. So you can see why they would of labeled freemasonry as an act of heresy to the throne. Once again, nowadays the entire society has changed to a type of cult / religious standpoint. This is a definitive reason why the church would not associate itself with the work of freemasonry.

Your other idea in using the steps outlined in the lesser and greater keys of solomon on how to banish demons is a good thought. Many demonologists actually use those steps in creating rituals to do so. However, you must remember, in the NEW testament, Jesus and the apostles did no such rituals to drive out demons. It is then considered through the power of Jesus Christ and God that we are able to work the same wonders Jesus Christ taught. Once again, I do know other demonologists that would use rituals and bindings to hold and banish demons outlined in Solomons books, however they are not authorized by the church as a proper way to exorcise a demon. Personally I am adept at demonology aswell, and I refer people to the Keys of Solomon as a great learning tool. However If I was fortunate enough to take place in an exorcism of any type, recalling the rituals outlined in those books would be my last effort to save someones soul.



Why thank you Pandy. And might I add, I love your roman quote

I think you are the right person to ask this question :
Why is it that most victims are female.
I really wanted to know.

Huh, I never thought freemsonary had so many background roots, my grandfather was a masonary, this is what my dad considered as a brought on family curse because he speaks of a past experience where one of my uncles was being harrassed by demons.

I wouldn't say females are possessed more then men. I do not mean for this comment to sound degrading or derogatory, but I would assume female possessions are more dramatic. A possessed man however, might commit more violent acts, such as molestation, abuse, and murder. A possessed women however, might stay more indoors, speak more blasphemous remarks, and instead of engaging in violent physical acts, might instead approach a more mental psychological standpoint. If a man takes a gun and murders people relentlessly, people assume he is mentally unstable, however why not demonically possessed ?. I have read stories about certain killers who have had no remorse for there actions. However, there are others that come out of prison, that had been turned to god and live great lives after the fact.

So in answer to your question, I wouldn't say women are possessed more. You read stories about women that drown there children, kill friends and family, but not as common as a man. I assume a demon will make best use of the body it has taken over. Instead the diabolic nature of a violent man is instead associated with mental illness. This can still be the case in many instances, but Im not discounting the fact there could be more to these stories.

It's very controversial Boltwave. Freemasonry was a great honor, but once King Philip made the decree, they were quickly wiped out. However, the Pope.... Clement V I believe, apparantly did so out of pressure from the King, out of financial reasons and royal influence. Therefore it was not a direct action from the hand of God, although, whatever rules made on earth, will also be done in heaven.

However, that was the past, and in the now, freemasonry is something entirely different. It's another one of those secret societys that adopted the name, so to say. Almost reminds me of Scientology, heh.

Well Azalin, you should read a book called "An Exorcist Tells His Story" you should know very well who is the author, as he lives in Vatican City and is the number one world leading exorcist, Fr. Gabrielle Amorth, states a possibility that demons may enter into women if I recall because it was Eve who was the first one to eat of the fruit.

Personally, it's a very good read, and I would recommend it to you, my dad has said that he performed some minor yet effective exorcisms in his past time, my uncle, thought to be under demonic opression had troubles in his life, he would harm himself from time to time, and he had consistent seizures, well, my dad and a few friends sat him down and began to pray, he would of course act strangley but according to his account the demon(s) did not talk to anyone directly, and eventually, he was cured of his depression and seizures, another man was in Austraila, he would shake around allot in violent ways and would foam at the mouth like a mad and ravenous animal, prayer also became a way for curing his problems.

This reminded me of a verse when Jesus specified that certain demons have certain methods of being dealt with, such as the less powerful and less resentful, re-written as is "these can only be driven out by faith", it also reminded me of the fact that this particular spirit did not neccesarily speak, and rather made a person mute, and unable to project words.

Thanks for that Azalin but i'm still looking for more information and i don't want it to be
derogatory. Anyway, your explanation will help. Thanks.

Whoa ! this happened to me. I was really shouting but no words coming out.
I was just lucky that my brain was stronger than them.

Please go on..........

I know who he is very well, a pioneer in certain aspects. Father Gabrielle wrote another book actually BoltWave called " An Exorcist: More Stories, with Nicoletta V. Mackenzie " that I have glanced over. It's suppose to be a sequel to what you read. I have not sat down and read either, however I have read some of his published works actually in the Vatican which are very influencial. I will read his books though, Im not sure how much more he put in the books, instead of the Vatican records, but I need to finish a few other ones first. Once again, thanks for the information Boltwave, its very much appreciated.

I have to say sorry...it's been a long time (1980)
I don't want to resurrects those devils.
I made a promise not to touch them again or challenge them again.

I see........than I won't go on with any further suggestions

I find the things being written here to be very educational and helpful and it is leading me to read more and more about people who deal with Possessions and depossions.

There are various points of view and much still to be learned and I believe its important for people to keep an open mind and at least read what everyone is contribution to what can be learned about these things from those who are experiencing possessions.

Although I believe possessions have been going on since the days of Jesus and perhaps even before its hard to get others to believe some of the things that people experience and tell about what is happening to them and I believe that is because others are seeing exorcisms as some sort of experience that is right up there with wanting to become a star and draw attention to oneself.

For example on Television news recently a National Recognized Exorcist was on Television performing Exorcisms on a group of so called housewives (Hence Television Show Desperate Housewives)

And of course as happens when they publicize Exorcisms there are a lot of theatrics and the women are heaving and spewing curse words and their faces distorted and while I can't prove whether this is what happens during an Exiorcism or not I know my own 20 years of being possessed has not included all those theatrics.

Of course I have not found a famous Exorcist to help me and so at this time I appear to be on my own with some prayers towards the heavens and my attempts at trying to exorcise three of my relatives and Dr. Petas from my body is meeting with a lot of violence and cursing and things but those around me never know what these four are saying because I refuse to let anyone know they are there except for what i write here on this forum.

I know no one much believes my story but its all true.

I would also like to dispel some things that others believe when they say Demons pretend to be Relatives but in Fact Relatives and others we have known who died quite often pretend to be Demons and my writing about my own Experiences here is putting a face on what Possessions are really all about.

Eve, Carrie and George and Dr. Petas when they walked the Earth were not such bad people but now from the Spirit World they have personal issues with me and have made my life miserable but what they are most angry about is peoples misconception about who really possesses bodies.

Many people die under very unpleasant circumstances as we all know and when they do they quite often remain mean and bitter and resentful and sometimes they refuse to adjust and accept their death and they grow to hate people on Earth who are going on with their lives while they must accept death and sometimes those Spirits can hang around or return to Earth to make the lives miserable of those they hate.

That is how Eve, Carrie, George and Dr. Petas feel but they are also afraid of what will happen to them during an Exorcism and they are also afraid to leave my body after what they have done as possessing spirits and they fear what is in their future if they leave this body.

At this time I am reading a book written by a Psychiatrist who deals with Possessing spirits and depossessing them from a Human body and as I read the book the four Spirits are seeing that they need therapy if they are ever to leave this body and find peace but even with their knowledge of this they are fighting me tooth and nail in an effort to hang onto this body until the day I die.

And this is the words they use to me, they say they are here to make my life miserable just as they were miserable in their lives this time around and just as they resent dieing.
If we are to get to the bottom of this through Research many of us are going to have to accept the fact that the Possessing Demons as I see it now can be people we knew when they walked the Earth who come back to make our lives miserable and when I find a way to talk these four out and see if anything ever happens to them I will be able to tell others what really happens to spirits when they leave the body of the Possessed.

I know many on here in the past have disbelieved but that's only because they have never walked in the shoes of a Possessed Person but if you do you will learn in the beginning its a very terrifying situation but as time goes on and you learn to deal with the people you knew who are now playing demons you will begin to remember how they were on Earth and you will remember they were not perfect when they walked the earth and even after Death some of them remain Mean, Spiteful and Jealous and try to control others just as they did when they were on Earth.

Note: I personally believe that Andrea Yates who drowned her five Children was possessed by Evil Spirits who kept telling her God wanted her to send the Children to Heaven to be with him and she said this went on for a good long time until finally she believed the Spirits and killed the Children.
I know when this first began for me Eve, Carrie and George and Dr. Petas terrified me and kept saying pick up a Knife and Kill Everyone in the House and I at the time didn't know what they could cause me to do so I called a Doctor and ran off to a Hospital where I had a Priest try to Exorcism them but it didn't work and some other Guides appeared to me and set me straight about what Possessing Spirits can and can't do and I know now they really can't force a person to do anything.
Not once they lose their fear because we need to understand that a possessing spirit can't force a human to pick up a knive or Gun and hurt anyone all they can do is sit inside a body and threaten.