Here is a thread for everyone to speak out that Ghosts do not exist. I am sure that you heard them all. Yet , later on, you will have a new theory that Ghosts are not real. Perhaps some your explanations will clear up some heads in the Forum. Maybe it will help them. The reasons that I made up the thread is a quite simple: I have not seen or heard Ghosts in my life and that there is no veritable proof of Ghosts on the planet. There should be a noble prize by now, but there isn’t. When I think of my past lost ones, like my bro, I know they are not ‘part’ of the Universe(3D) no more. And they will ‘never’ return. Will I see them, my brother, some day? Well, that objective falls almost into the same theory of Ghosts doesn’t it? 'Seeing' my brother again will 'not' be in this Universe and possibly never, by the expansion of the universe. In short, I cannot see my deceased brother making a manifestation into my Reality of 'consciousness'. It is not allowed for some supreme reason by math of quantum physics. Proof of the after-life for one being must be the greatest feeling of all time. How can one share? The person has to dead and to come back to make it amazing.

I do find it sad and empty in sincerely in believing that Ghosts are not to be. I could go on 4e in Religion. Most people don’t look at this way and I admire them for it because of their pure reasoning or it’s just the basic fact(s) that Ghost don’t exist.

All the pictures on the Internet about Ghosts seems not to be enough proof (because it’s on some screen) and it seems to be that these pictures are getting worse by the this new technology of photo-shopping. And.., it is hard to believe in other people ghost accounts since they were the only ones there.

First of all, I can tell you don't know much about quantum physics, so why don't we stick to the topics we know about, alright?
Secondly, just because you haven't seen anything, doesn't mean it's not out there. Do you have any concrete evidence, using the same standards by which you obviously judge other's evidence, that ghosts do not exist? No, you don't. Just like the people claiming to have seen something. You make audacious claims with no evidence to support them, and are in fact, worse than those you condemn.
I mean, have you ever really seen an atom? No, but you believe it's there, because a credible source told you so. Doesn't matter if it's a teacher, scientist or a text-book, you've never seen it, but believe in it. Now, that isn't to say that I'm a rabid supporter of the paranormal. I'm a confirmed skeptic as it is, but I don't believe that it's out of the realm of possibility. After all, some of the "math" leading into quantum physics states that there can be an infinite number of concurrent universes, which is a fairly far fetched concept in and of itself.
Discount nothing out of hand. Examine it, and take the time to actually debunk it if you don't believe, at least that's contructive. This... This is just picking fights to watch the carnage.

Interesting. You rarely see this type of posts.

I probably only half qualify for this thread. I believe "ghost phenomena" occur, and are witnessed, by some people, but I do not beliveve "ghosts" are actually the "discarnate" willful, independent spirits of the deceased, hanging around for various reasons.

I do not necessarily know what they are, though I think "aetheric echoes" or "recordings being played back" are most likely for "historical" ghosts which seem to do the same thing and don't necessarily "interact" as much as perform the same routine. I'm not terribly fond of the echo idea but I think it may have some validity, similar to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's idea of the Etheric Steppe and how things get impressed upon it and may be perceieved by some at some certain times and/or in certain conditions.

At most, I think that the 'ghosts' that seem to interact with people in some fashion, including poltergeists, are likely hallucinations/waking dreams, misidentification of normal events or natural phenomena, or on the outside, as-yet-unproven errant psi abilities and psychic functioning in one or more persons which may perceive and/or create 'thoughtforms' (possibly even effectively unconsciously 'animating' Aetheric Echoes into appearing to act in a willful manner - likely all this relies on 'line of thought' and to some extent on mass psychic resonance with other people.

Life is not PERFECT, but in most cases, its pretty efficient. I simply don't see the logic in the idea that it is possible to get "caught" or "lost" when making the transition from living to Beyond - I simply find it unreasonable to think that you can die and become "earthbound" because you don't know you died or because you have unfinished business. I think its a silly, outmoded concept that assumes all existance is so similar to mundane, normal physical living - presuming there is anything past death, I rather doubt its as simple or familiar as "living LITE". I think you die and proceed to whatever the next step might be, which may even depend on your beliefs - its a NATURAL and rather ancient and established law, much like an object cannot get "lost" when dropping from your hand to the floor - it goes from "up here" to "down there", no matter what, no thinking - it just DOES because thats how things WORK.

"When I think of my past lost ones, like my bro, I know they are not ‘part’ of the Universe(3D) no more. "

ci8... your heart is in the right place, but you've picked a battle with someone that (I think) is pretty much on your side. In short...maybe Primordial limited quantum physics with what he was saying and we all know that that is foolish to speak of anything but probability (if that) in QF as nothing is definite, but if you read carefully... "audacious claims" is a little harsh....

no?

Nope. He made claims, not stated beliefs. The difference lies in the tone and delivery. Note: " When I think of my past lost ones, like my bro, I know they are not ‘part’ of the Universe(3D) no more. And they will ‘never’ return." What you yourself quoted. He "knows" he won't see his brother. Not, I don't think I'll see my brother, or, I doubt very much that I'll see my brother. He's representing the statement as fact, when in all reality, it isn't. Besides, I don't agree with him in the slightest. Sure, I'm a skeptic, but I do allow for the possibility that it could be true. I myself don't know for sure, and I doubt very many people do. All I'm saying, is that a more moderate, and less "rabid-skeptic" tone is needed. Nobody really knows for sure, definitively, but people claim to, and therein lies the problem. Nobody knows, but everyone wants to think they do. State beliefs. Nobody can contradict you, since they don't know the intimate details of your personal beliefs. But stating, in a broad stroke, that something doesn't exist sounds decidedly narrow minded. And if you're going to refute something, you need proof. You need proof for either position, skeptic or believer, but nobody wants to pony it up before they speak.

I'm not one to go off-topic but I'm afraid this debate has put a bug up my butt, as I get ticked off when people unilaterally intererpret MY posts.


This is the OP's thread, he is not obliged to provide hard scientific data to post a personal anecdote or experience and conclusion - and just because YOUR interpretation of what he said is "claim" instead of "belief", aren't we splitting one-dimensional frog hairs?

Who are you, just because he didn't preface his post with "in my opinion" or "it is my belief that", to say he wasn't stating his belief? The last time I checked, when you believe in something, you are DEFINITE about it, you have faith in it. People don't worship "maybe God, I dunno", they worship "GOD". He said he KNOWS he won't see his bro again, because he's gone from this place - that is rather obviously his opinion and an insight into his life's perception and philosophy, and one which is necessary for the reader to know and understand in order to read the rest of his post in proper context.

Hi Everyone!

Well Ci8, you have just touched an interesting and related subject, i mean the sources that bring us the information. In this case, about the paranormal (books, Tv Shows, magazine articles, web pages and sites and radio shows) remembering a Marshall McLuhan`s quote: "Media are the message" we can observe how fast and incredibly diverse have become the information about the paranormal. Not all, of course, true or accurate.

Unfortunatelly there`s a bunch of so-called Paranormal Investigtors that publish almost anything on any known media, so don`t be surprised if people as our friend is truly confused or disapointed by the "exceptionally well taken picture" of a fabulous "proof of life after death". The point is that unfortunatelly on this matter there`s just few credible and reliable sources.

I`m agree with you in everything else.

Later!

"Who are you, just because he didn't preface his post with "in my opinion" or "it is my belief that", to say he wasn't stating his belief?"

Someone that follows the conventions of English? Without such a preface, it's not an opinion, belief, philosophy or anything else, it's represented as fact.

I would like to say everything I have posted about anything under my name on UM is the absolute truth but I am not sure how to prove this to naysayers because I can't show you a Ghost and I can only tell you what I have experienced over the past more than 20 years of Spirit Communication.
I am not sure if I am right in believeing that anyone can develop their Psychic Abilities and communicate themselves but that is what I personally Believe.

I believe you have to want to communicate so much like I did that you spend a great deal of time learning how others do it and apply yourself until something happens to convince you yourself that this is true.

No matter what anyone believes when we die our Spirit with all its intelligence leaves this Worn out or injured body and entres a higher plane of the Spirit World.

I am not sure that I support anyones theory of Earthbound unhappy Spirits I am now beginning to embrace the theory that when Spirits enter the Spirit World they are free to come and go at will.

I'm not sure now that I believe in the Demon Theory at all as the Bible Teaches us instead I am beginning to think that when Spirits leave the Earth Plane that Spirit remains good if that is their disposition and if its their will to live as an Evil sometimes Hurtful Spirits this is what they do and I am not sure at this point in time if if there is a Higher power who can control them because of what I personally have experienced but if I find out there is a Higher Power who has power over some of the Spirits I have come in contact with and if that Higher Power solves my problems I have had with three of my Relatives and Dr. Petas then I'll write about it for Research Purposes.

Rosemary is an expert in Automatic Posting. ...just kidding...

I don't know if you would call me an Expert but I have been doing this for more than 20 years and have experienced the good and bad of spirit Communication and I have thousands of timed and dated pages stored in waterproof boxes in my Basement.

Whether anyone other than I will ever see more of them than has already been shown to others I don't know but in the beginning thousands of pages were sent out hopefully for research purposes but after about ten Years I decided not to do that anymore but just collect them for future possibilities after more than 14 Manuscripts disappeared without a trace.

Ok, i completely feel where you are coming from....but there is proof that there is something else there....I don't think that when people die they can choose whether or not they can just lay there or go visit there families....I have see some crazy sh** in my life...and people used to tell me when i would tell them about it to prove it....well, I could there is something there im not saying they are ghosts but im saying there are too many unexplained things to just say that there is nothing supernatural going on. I have seen things and i think that some of the things ive seen are good but some of the things I have seen are evil....I beieve in angels and demons....thats what "ghost" are. The dead know nothing of the living...once your dead your dead. I mean if out dead loved ones knew what we were doing and had the ability to show themselves why the hell wouldn't every dead person be showimg themselves and visiting their families??? I used to believe in ghosts until I moved in to my house and weird sh** started happening to me....at first i was intrigued and excited that something had chosed me to reach out to. In the beginning it was cute....things would go missing and i would find them in weird places that i wouldnt put anything...like behind the toilet or up on a high shelf. It was getting to the point where i was just waiting for something else to happen...my family didn't believe me because they weren't or hadn't experienced anything like i had. It was like i would feel when whatever it was would come into the room...it didn't scare me at all...I came to feel as though it was the ghost of a child and it picked me because i believed. I was walking down my stairs and my little sister was standing at the bottom but when i got closer it wasn't my sister it was a little girl...she was gone as soon as i made eye contact it was like she vanished right before my eyes. I still wasn't afraid though....i was excited becuse i thought she was going to communicate with me. Then other things started happening like i would feel something else like there was something there with me but it wasn't a good feeling it was a bad one. Doors would slam in the middle of the night...I would smell pipe smoke and mens cologne in my room out of nowhere. I actualy heard my name called out in a mans voice when there were no men in my house...it was just me and my girlfriend...she never came back after that. I realized that i had made a mistake in opening my self up to something i shoudnt have....at that point i knew there was another entity there it was a man but he would do things to scare me...like say my name and slam doors and knock things off the wall....i new at that point that was not a ghost it was a demon.....thats when stuff started happening to people in my family...then they knew i wasn't trippin...i think ghosts are evil beings.

I know we believe in Demons and Angels but after more than 20 years of communicating with the After Life I believe demons and Devils are just the Spirit of man who has died and passed over and they can be good or Evil just as they were when they walked the Earth.
I really can't verify that Evil Spirits roam the earth at will because the only ones in the After Life that I have met who are Evil are three of my Realtives, Carrie, Eve, and George and Dr. Petas who was a psychiatrist when he walked the Earth and they set out to do these terrible things to me so i would write about it and as we know few people believe that people I knew when they walked the Earth are now doing this to me from the After Life.
They offer many reasons for doing this but one of the most prominent reasons they list is that in a book written by Spiritual Writer Ruth Montgomery she said:
"When Evil Spirits become so Evil they cannot be Rehabilitated God steps in and Destroys them"

These four and Dr. Petas especially who was a medical man and a scientist says he intends to use the other three to prove once and for all if God has power over them and can actually force them from my body as one of the Guides threatens to do.

The four of them say they are now Lab Rats intent on proving who and what if anyone or anything in the Spirit World has dominance over them.

As they try to force a Higher Power to deal with them they hide inside my body to terrified to come and actually take him on and in the Meantime they tear viciously at my brain day and night in an effort to prevent me from receiving the Psychic Information I used to be able to do and they now say either God will step up and save me by proving he has dominance over them or they will kill me if they can.

As you can see none of that has so far happened and I am not afraid of them at this time after all I have been through and they have no control over my writing here except that they are helping to write right along with me and so are other Guides in the Spirit World and I am now asking myself if they have chosen me to be some sort of Guinea pig to further Psysic Research and if that is true I want everyone to know I am not a Volunteer and I feel I have been Drafted.

But until this ends I intend to write everything I learn for Paranormal Research.