the topic title is basically my entire question. do any of you have any proof of the soul?

I don't know, but I believe that humans posses a soul, but animals do not. So, just look for big differences between animals and humans. I guess those would be signs.

There has been research which presents the conclusion, that immediately after death the human body looses several grams of weight, which cannot be accounted for by any
Normal/medical reason. These studies have included animals and they differ in relation
to results, but as far as humans the only example of such an experiment I have been able to locate is seen in the included link....meaning that as far as I can tell in has never been repeated.

http://www.ghostweb.com/soul.html


Any thoughts?

so you are saying the soul has weight? where is the soul stored?

of curse r u liveing...the sule is the battery sort of

soul sorry

could that not be the oxygen previously in the blood and lungs that is escaping? or some other kind of chemical?

I'm afraid entirely too much weight (heh) is put on the old study of the sould leaving the body at death. While I believe the research was done with good intentions and with the best the researcher could make do with at the time, the results are far from reliable.

Weighing the Soul: The Real Story

anyways, yes of course there is proof of the soul! YOU! first of all you need to have some form of belief of life after death. being that of reincarnation, enlightenment, heaven...i'm guessing the majority of us here believe in a form of it. i myself believe in reincarnation thru enough lives until the soul itself has experienced, taken in and learned enough to see the way, walk the middlepath....become one with yourself, others, and the universe. so basically your soul is you, i...your ego, emotions, beliefs, aspirations, etcccc...so in relation to proof, thats it..you. but it comes back to belief systems....do u believe in religion? being enlightened? being at peace? growing? expanding your views of life and how it works? AH its your soul! just wants to be fed!! lol souls exist...and mine is a very gentle and well experienced one who seeks for truth in happiness and beauty..inner peace.

love it
peace
liz

I agree with AphexTwin, the soul is what makes you who you are. Your concious, emotions, feelings, sense of awareness etc

Possibly thats why the saying goe: 'To Sell Your Soul' - Cause your selling out who you are for a 'suposid' more important reason/To get what you want...

I don't know, I just call it the spirit. I think we all, that is all living things, go into reincarnation and get reborn.

After all, everything in nature goes in a cycle, things die and get reborn. Wouldn't it be logical that we are included in that natural cycle?

So that in essence, the spirit of all things alive will come back in some way after the body has died.

Soul is such a loaded word, it is really coming from the christian belief in god and the creation theory. For me, there is no christian belief in a god, or whatever, I just go by what I feel is right. I may go wrong, but in many ways I have found that what my inner self tells me, is right. I am a real child of nature and really go by what I feel is right, in nature's way. There's no belief in gods or goddesses, however, I have something with the moon.

I think there is something in all of us alive, including flora and fauna, that will get reborn, somehow. It's just how it feels to me as it is nature's way.

one of the things that makes this virtually impossible to locate at the present (assuming it exists) is that we hardly have any idea whatsoever as to what to be looking for except for something that's not physical. That being said, I'm not aware of anyone claiming to have located the soul.

Out of curiosity, how do retarded people and those suffering from degenerative diseases fit under your scope of a soul?

A question to those who believe in one...

Hav you ever saw a picture of somebody who has an aura around them? In my opinion I beleive that is prove of some kind of energy.

why wouldnt someone with a degenerative disease or down syndrome have a soul? what would make them different...they're still human....i believe any living being has a soul..person, animal and plant...of that sort...having a soul integrates the reincarnation cycle of everything. you tell me...

and yea auras are definitely proof!!! i can read your aura...its quite simple actually, just with sum practice with that third eye of yours!

plant a tree<3
peace
Liz

If animals dont how does reincarnation work?(if you believe in that)

also people see spirits clearly just like they se regular people(maybe a little different) and if there isnt a soul what are the spirits/ghosts they see... Thats proof enough for me.

maybe the weight lost is from sh*tting yourself after you die?

I was told by someone one time that there is a lobe in our brain that is not active and no one can figure out what it does. I wonder if that lobe was ever activated, what we would be able to accomplish or see.

I believe we have a soul because all of us instinctily know good from bad and right from wrong. How can a large mass of muscle, cells and electrical impulses account for our self awareness. I think it can't, only a soul or some form of a soul could do that.

It would be similar to computers suddenly gaining self awareness. They have 'evolved' from room sized calculaters it what we have now, and they do not have self awareness. It would be the same for us, we have evolved to a more complex creature and yet unlike computers, we have a self awareness of ourselves. Why?

The individual subjects were placed in a scale which encompassed there entire bodies so any fluids (or for that matter solids) which left the body were taken into consideration.

The point of this admittedly rather old experiment is that in the over twelve years of having been on the internet I have never seen any research which contradicts it. I have seen some which support it (if memory serves one example involved worms), it is strange
that something like this has never been debunked or at the very least an alternative
explanation offered.

21 grams unaccounted for by any natural means is a lot of weight, nonetheless given the technology of the age in relation to scales well that has not changed much. As far as any potential chemical changes, which could occur following death that could potentially result in a lighter body, it is simply is too much weight.

As I said it is interesting and one would think that by now such an experiment involving humans should have been repeated, but again as far as I have research there are no such efforts to date. This potentially suggesting the experiment has been repeated; the results are correct and are not being published because of the potential controversy.

Any thoughts?

Not what I asked. I

I enquired as to how does consciouness fits with someone that is retarded and with someone that is literally losing "himself" through his mental regeneration. Both affect perception and memory and thus the kind of person you are. How does the concept of the soul justifies a physical condition that changes what you are?

Every person has a soul, which we already know. My philosophy on this concept is that the soul has either caused too many sins in past lives...or they are a new born soul..thus allowing this spirit to learn thru experience from this new beginning or the idea of karma. We all do good and bad. Some choose to do extremes of bad, causing it to come back at them how many times..and how many lives it needs to amend the sins done. Our soul is learning every day and thru every life until this balance of life comes full thread. The soul will take these experiences learned and pass them into their next life, allowing them to keep growing.

Do you suppose those of a mental disorder could be enlightened(heaven, etc)? I think it may be possible, because those of mental disorders may strive hard to "fit in" and be a good person in this world, if they even know what that is? Eh, just a thought..lemme know..

But I see no other plausable reason for someone to have to suffer a certain type of life without a reason. There is a reason for everything...just keep asking yourself why...

k back to school
peace n love
Liz

Your idea of right or wrong, or anything for that matter will be seriously distorted if you are experiencing mental difficulties. How does that help you on a subsequent life? How does a premature death (at birth or infant stage) help someone before they even experience anything? If all is one grand design, dont you think it would have more logic than the randomness of existence at the moment?

Ask James Brown.

You have a soul when you " feel good"?

Actually I think it's the environment you grew up in and the things which you experienced in life is what makes the person who you are today. I do believe in a soul tho but science doesn't have the right technology to proof it.

More on the topic...




http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Article...Sorli-final.htm

Any thoughts?

u'r soul and spirit r two different things the spirit is what makes u ....u u'r soul is u'r life forse with out it u would not be here... when people say they have WENT OUT OF THEIR BODY their spirit has left because they r not dead they just have nothin to make them them...my grandmother said that when she was in a coma she saw no light she did't even c her body she said that she could hear and she could walk. her spirit was out of her body but she was still alive because of her soul

By the way the last mentioned experiment is easy to reproduce.....

Any thoughts?

Wow, let me again make this clear....dig up some worms, place them in an enviroment in which they are isolated and then do something that results in there death. You will get a chance to observe a loss in weight at the same moment they die.....

It is that simple......

Any thoughts?

If your concious hunger is not fulfilled, if you have much feeling or anger towards something in this material world.. will form a ghost image of your own consious. So you stay until it got satisfied or you leave the eager.. everything is just a game of MIND.

don't ask me.. if we got satisfied where we go !!

Homeboy if one actually looses wieght at the moment of death (as the worms do) then the answer is simple....Don't mess up because quite frankly, God takes up space.

Any thoughts?

I believe the Soul with all its intelligence is completely diferent from the Human Brain in each person.

The Intelligence of the Soul returns from the After Life and goes into the body which will walk the earth and the Brain and Body of course grows and as I write this I begin to think about this and I have to stop and think.

What I am sure of as I channel with Spirit and talk to them in the After Life is, I know relatives who had problems down here from strokes and things like that who when they return to the After Life have none of these limitation but their brain is bright and intelligent as though they had never suffered a debilitating disease.

This tells me that the worn out body with its illnesses and mental limitations were left here on Earth along with the Human Brain and the Intelligence part of the Brain went along with the Spirit Back to the after life where it can talk back through Psychic Channels and others and go right on sharing thoughts and ideas.

Unless you have experienced these things its hard to convince others of the truth of this.
This seems to be much more provable research than weighing a body after death to see how much less it weighs as a way to prove this.
My Proof is that I can talk to my relatives and others in the Spirit World and they are much like they were when they walked the earth as far as personalities and the like.

It's funny that there's always a discussion and so hard to the define what the soul really is. I've tried discussing it with many, some agrees with me, some don't even understand what I'm talking about even though it's perfectly clear to me what a soul really is. Which makes me wonder if a soul isn't something that exists in every body (?)

My idea of a soul is your consciousness. If you are able to picture yourself being reincarnated with a different personality and still thinks "you" could be in there, that's the soul. Not your personality or your memories but the camera "inside" your head which is even there when you close your eyes, the awareness. And this is the part that only you can experience, others see your personality and the outer "you"...and your soul could just as well diappeared and others wouldn't have known the difference.
If this is totally without logic to you, well then you don't have a soul

Don't listen to Triad. He just wants us to kill worms for his own sick pleasure.

I'm still not entirely sure why the whole weight issue is so important, whether it is or is not credible. Is the claim that the soul has physical mass?

Even if these claims of instantaneous weight loss are true, all we have done is shown that instantaneous weight loss occurs. For all we know, it is the exodus of magical fairies from our bodies.

If astral projection is the spirit leaving the body like people think then they should be able to weigh a person while they project and get similar results correct?
(Oh and they most likely dont do it again because now everyone thinks it's horrible to disect dead bodies, a respect thing)

The Soul is the Essence of Life.
The word in the Websters New World Thesaurus says basically the same thing.
The Soul is the proof of everlasting Life.
The Soul lives in the Body until it dies then the Soul with all its intelligence goes back up to the Spirit World.
The Spirit then can communicate back to Earth through others and actually continue working along the same lines it did when it walked the Earth if it can find someone on Earth to write about their ideas.
Its possible that minds like Einstein and many others could be working through channels and continuing with some of the wonderful ideas they had when they walked the earth.

Yes Aquatus 1 the claim is that the soul has physical mass and while I find the notion intriguing I rarely consider it beyond the idea of it being a notion (no have not killed any worms of for that matter any other living thing, to test the validity of these links). To me it is interesting because, I have heard about this for a very long time (remember that show with Leonard Nemoy as the Narrator).

When I first came on the internet I searched and found the first link and since then, from time to time, looked for some credible effort to disprove those conclusion (repeating the experiment), so far nothing, which to me is weird.

The idea that there is a loss of mass at the moment of death is relatable to the wave nature of matter.... that energy/mass cannot be destroyed but changed, being applicable to awareness.

Any thoughts?

If you are like me and believe Buddha, Christ etc... to be highly enlightened people then you probly would think about alot of the things they have to say and try to understand.
The enlightened people of our time have always spoke of the afterworlds.

I have some questions do you believe that thoughts have the ability to witness themself?
What is this mysterious witnesser I sometimes refer to as a spark of light?

Also if my brain is just a reflection of the world then how does it watch itsself? Isnt that like a rock watching water? Awareness isnt tangible. Its formless. If its formless and this world is not formless then am I not just something watching a self go about its day? If I am the watcher and self doesnt exist how can something formless die without a body? That would mean my ego is something created by my brain. My brain is alive but I being formless, am higher than my ego. Its logical to say that I have control over myself that all my actions are the intent of the soul . That I already know the difference between right and wrong.

Buddha taught to forget the self.

So I think the only part of us that is Infinit and truly able to be called self which is the soul will never die because its not of this world. How could that which is formless? Thats the key part. Seriausly I see the picture of this formless concept and its granted me sooo much truth. How can a thought be aware of a thought? How can a piece of brain be aware of a thought? IF ALL WE ARE IS BRAIN HOW CAN A BRAIN BE AWARE OF A BRAIN? Seriausly.... isnt there something higher? I truly know that one day my ego as in "collection of thoughts will not exist in this body anymore" still it will exist only now I (the soul, the witnesser) wont be there to witness it anymore. Those thoughts will still exist because other people will be thinking them... Thats why I think the soul exists. Its formless.

WOAH! thats exactly what I think. Your proof is the same as mine. I can talk to people when they arent around me. Like my friend James is in USA right now and I am in Canada but I can still spend time with him.. I think this thing about weighing the body is a load of balony because the true spirit or soul or councioussness or awareness or w/e you wanna call it is formless. Formless meaning it has no mass no place in space or time...

lIts true they wouldnt be able to tell the difference... they all have souls though. Cant you tell they have souls? I can tell they have souls. Doesnt your intuition tell you that they have souls? Also if thats without logic to them than it has to do with there brain not there soul.


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exponential_sly_de modern physics acknowledges as a matter of fact that the Universe as we understand it is interconnected (Bells Theorem) in other words, from a certain point of view; everything that we know that exist is part of one thing. Granted, the level at which they have found such interconnections, is related to aspects of us, that several mainstream scientist today deny any relationship can exist between human thought and these levels or states of matter.

However, there are also several famous scientists who disagree completely.....

Think of it from the context of Zen where From God we get heaven and from heaven we get the visible Universe and from there we get earth....or in relation to Christianity, God creates heaven (where the war in heaven occurred) and from there creates the firmament (The Universe) and then earth and then mankind.

The issue is one of having created a truth, which is interconnected at all levels and where in relation to death, Gods creation (reality as we understand it and life) is good therefore an aspect of all things. That we do wrong as a result of freedom of choice cannot change that. As such, there can be some physical aspect of us, that to God, remains pure, despite our choices (and is therefore sacred in every way in relation to all things).

Another way of calling such a thing would be a soul.....


Any thoughts?

Humans are animals too. The only difference between humans and other animals is the ability of a human to imagine, it is our imagination that shapes our world, our reality. If you believe that humans possess a soul, but animals do not, that I assume you believe that the soul is a creation of humanity's vast imagination?

Well, I think I "know". But how do you mean that you can actually tell ?? If all your friends and family didn't have a consciousness beyond the brains functionality and personality, you wouldn't know - that's a totally personal experience.

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This is a weird thought;
It's very hard to understand that my consciousness happened in one accidental circumstance and my "soul" is one of an "unlimited" that just as well could have never existed, when I still feel that my consciousness is inevitable.

Yah I think animals have a soul too.... I dont think our ability to outwit animals means we have more soul than animals...

I would also add that the act of meditation develops ones ability to understand the physical aspects of what God deems good (his creation). In relation to reincarnation and /or the second coming? One way to understand these concepts is that death, the term, is inaccurate as defined (the end of life). The experience of death is just another aspect of
life relevant to what we are as a whole (nonetheless the mandate is life).

A perspective that I suggest you consider is that the process of life and death are part of one thing and given what is offered in history and today, as time passes these two experiences will be one.

Because of my experiences I have formed the conclusion that all living things have souls. In relation to animals one way of looking at it is that in there case, the conscious aspect of there souls, is oriented to part of reality ours are not.

As they are allowed to evolve this changes.......

Any thoughts?

No thoughts but a question

Does the soul change the body or does the body change the soul?

From my perspective the soul is an aspect of the human form. As an analogy, a rainbow with its many colors as a whole is a representation of the whole self, of which the human form and the soul are aspects.

Any thoughts?

Animals have Souls because after they die they hang around my home for a time then they disappear and go elsewhere.

I don't have a way to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to others what I know because only those who develop their Psychic Abilities and learn to do what I and other Psychic Channels do can prove this for sure to ourselves at least.

We have all heard about the Soul Records or the Book of Life that a higher power in the Universe keeps on all of us, and I believe this beyond a shadow of a doubt, because a Guide has shown me this and convinced me of this by taking me back in time and reinacted crimes in technicolor like movies which he shows me.

This source has been able to take me back and Reinact Murders and or accidents before they even happened.

I have also been taken to college campuses and shown the behaviour that goes on behind the scenes, and all sorts of things like that.

I was taken back in time to before Teamster Jimmy Hoffa was even abducted and shown what happened to him right up through the Murder and Burial.

I have had deceased people appear to me and tell me their story and things like that and while this may seem to be off the subject its not if it tells us that the Soul could not visit me if it did not exist.

But the catch here is how do I convince anyone of the things I say, because everyone I have told these things to disblieve unless of course they are Psychic Channels who have had the same experiences and as we know many people call Psychics Scammers who make things up as they wing it and tell tall stories but they are all true.

I believe most anyone could learn to do this and prove it to themselves if they wanted to, because I believe everyone has the Gift and needs only to tape into it to prove it to themselves.

I believe as time goes on more and more Scientific Minds will become Psychic Channels and prove these things for themselves and then we will know because Science says its so.

Here we go again.