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Bosanchero
Millions of years ago is there posibility that Earth was inhabited by inteligent humans such as ourselfs ???
did they have some of the tehnologies that we are curentlly in posesion of ???
I know many of you will say :"What is wrong with this guy" or "idiot" and thats what i tought when i was aproached with this idea, but after doing a bit of research i was amazed at what i found out.

The Bible tells us that God created Adam and Eve just a few thousand years ago, by some fundamentalist interpretations. Science informs us that this is mere fiction and that man is a few million years old, and that civilization just tens of thousands of years old. Could it be, however, that conventional science is just as mistaken as the Bible stories? There is a great deal of archeological evidence that the history of life on earth might be far different than what current geological and anthropological texts tell us. Consider these astonishing finds:

1]The Antikythera Mechanism

A perplexing artifact was recovered by sponge-divers from a shipwreck in 1900 off the coast of Antikythera, a small island that lies northwest of Crete. The divers brought up from the wreck a great many marble and and bronze statues that had apparently been the ship's cargo. Among the findings was a hunk of corroded bronze that contained some kind of mechanism composed of many gears and wheels. Writing on the case indicated that it was made in 80 B.C., and many experts at first thought it was an astrolabe, an astronomer's tool. An x-ray of the mechanism, however, revealed it to be far more complex, containing a sophisticated system of differential gears. Gearing of this complexity was not known to exist until 1575! It is still unknown who constructed this amazing instrument 2,000 years ago or how the technology was lost.

2] The Baghdad Battery

Today batteries can be found in any grocery, drug, convenience and department store you come across. Well, here's a battery that's 2,000 years old! Known as the Baghdad Battery, this curiosity was found in the ruins of a Parthian village believed to date back to between 248 B.C. and 226 A.D. The device consists of a 5-1/2-inch high clay vessel inside of which was a copper cylinder held in place by asphalt, and inside of that was an oxidized iron rod. Experts who examined it concluded that the device needed only to be filled with an acid or alkaline liquid to produce an electric charge. It is believed that this ancient battery might have been used for electroplating objects with gold. If so, how was this technology lost... and the battery not rediscovered for another 1,800 years?

3] Impossible Fossils

Fossils, as we learned in grade school, appear in rocks that were formed many thousands of years ago. Yet there are a number of fossils that just don't make geological or historical sense. A fossil of a human handprint, for example, was found in limestone estimated to be 110 million years old. What appears to be a fossilized human finger found in the Canadian Arctic also dates back 100 to 110 million years ago. And what appears to be the fossil of a human footprint, possibly wearing a sandal, was found near Delta, Utah in a shale deposit estimated to be 300 million to 600 million years old.

4] Out-of-Place Metal Objects

Humans were not even around 65 million years ago, never mind people who could work metal. So then how does science explain semi-ovoid metallic tubes dug out of 65-million-year-old Cretaceous chalk in France? In 1885, a block of coal was broken open to find a metal cube obviously worked by intelligent hands. In 1912, employees at an electric plant broke apart a large chunk of coal out of which fell an iron pot! A nail was found embedded in a sandstone block from the Mesozoic Era. And there are many, many more such anomalies.

What are we to make of these finds? There are several possibilities:
Intelligent humans date back much, much further than we realize.
Other intelligent beings and civilizations existed on earth far beyond our recorded history.
Our dating methods are completely inaccurate, and that stone, coal and fossils form much more rapidly than we now estimate.ancientx.com




fantazum
QUOTE(Bosanchero @ Apr 23 2006, 06:34 AM) [snapback]1159783[/snapback]

Millions of years ago is there posibility that Earth was inhabited by inteligent humans such as ourselfs ???
did they have some of the tehnologies that we are curentlly in posesion of ???
I know many of you will say :"What is wrong with this guy" or "idiot" and thats what i tought when i was aproached with this idea, but after doing a bit of research i was amazed at what i found out.

The Bible tells us that God created Adam and Eve just a few thousand years ago, by some fundamentalist interpretations. Science informs us that this is mere fiction and that man is a few million years old, and that civilization just tens of thousands of years old. Could it be, however, that conventional science is just as mistaken as the Bible stories? There is a great deal of archeological evidence that the history of life on earth might be far different than what current geological and anthropological texts tell us. Consider these astonishing finds:

1]The Antikythera Mechanism

A perplexing artifact was recovered by sponge-divers from a shipwreck in 1900 off the coast of Antikythera, a small island that lies northwest of Crete. The divers brought up from the wreck a great many marble and and bronze statues that had apparently been the ship's cargo. Among the findings was a hunk of corroded bronze that contained some kind of mechanism composed of many gears and wheels. Writing on the case indicated that it was made in 80 B.C., and many experts at first thought it was an astrolabe, an astronomer's tool. An x-ray of the mechanism, however, revealed it to be far more complex, containing a sophisticated system of differential gears. Gearing of this complexity was not known to exist until 1575! It is still unknown who constructed this amazing instrument 2,000 years ago or how the technology was lost.

2] The Baghdad Battery

Today batteries can be found in any grocery, drug, convenience and department store you come across. Well, here's a battery that's 2,000 years old! Known as the Baghdad Battery, this curiosity was found in the ruins of a Parthian village believed to date back to between 248 B.C. and 226 A.D. The device consists of a 5-1/2-inch high clay vessel inside of which was a copper cylinder held in place by asphalt, and inside of that was an oxidized iron rod. Experts who examined it concluded that the device needed only to be filled with an acid or alkaline liquid to produce an electric charge. It is believed that this ancient battery might have been used for electroplating objects with gold. If so, how was this technology lost... and the battery not rediscovered for another 1,800 years?

3] Impossible Fossils

Fossils, as we learned in grade school, appear in rocks that were formed many thousands of years ago. Yet there are a number of fossils that just don't make geological or historical sense. A fossil of a human handprint, for example, was found in limestone estimated to be 110 million years old. What appears to be a fossilized human finger found in the Canadian Arctic also dates back 100 to 110 million years ago. And what appears to be the fossil of a human footprint, possibly wearing a sandal, was found near Delta, Utah in a shale deposit estimated to be 300 million to 600 million years old.

4] Out-of-Place Metal Objects

Humans were not even around 65 million years ago, never mind people who could work metal. So then how does science explain semi-ovoid metallic tubes dug out of 65-million-year-old Cretaceous chalk in France? In 1885, a block of coal was broken open to find a metal cube obviously worked by intelligent hands. In 1912, employees at an electric plant broke apart a large chunk of coal out of which fell an iron pot! A nail was found embedded in a sandstone block from the Mesozoic Era. And there are many, many more such anomalies.

What are we to make of these finds? There are several possibilities:
Intelligent humans date back much, much further than we realize.
Other intelligent beings and civilizations existed on earth far beyond our recorded history.
Our dating methods are completely inaccurate, and that stone, coal and fossils form much more rapidly than we now estimate.ancientx.com


It is quite possible that man in various forms has been around a lot longer than we presently believe. The Earth is believed to be about 4.5 billion years old but could be much older. We still have not found the oldest rocks on Earth. We still dont have a clear idea of what life existed prior to the pre-Cambrian "explosion' when a multitude of species suddenly appeared. We still cannot prove the theory of evolution because we simply cannot find within the fossil record the transitional phases of all those creatures that evolved into Dinosaurs and Mammals. We actually know very little but as time goes on and the scientists keep searching...then perhaps we will find out.
The 'out of place objects' that you mention are indeed most peculiar,and more keep turning up. Many of these objects can now be explained rationally - like the Antikythera mechanism. But many defy all attempts to explain them. Items of jewellery have been found in Egypt dating from the old dynasty that show signs of having been electroplated so this could be an explanation for the 'baghdad batteries'. Of course where on earth the ancient Egyptians acquired the knowledge to do this is an obvious mystery.
Jonja
QUOTE(fantazum @ Apr 22 2006, 11:25 PM) [snapback]1159826[/snapback]

It is quite possible that man in various forms has been around a lot longer than we presently believe. The Earth is believed to be about 4.5 billion years old but could be much older. We still have not found the oldest rocks on Earth. We still dont have a clear idea of what life existed prior to the pre-Cambrian "explosion' when a multitude of species suddenly appeared. We still cannot prove the theory of evolution because we simply cannot find within the fossil record the transitional phases of all those creatures that evolved into Dinosaurs and Mammals. We actually know very little but as time goes on and the scientists keep searching...then perhaps we will find out.
The 'out of place objects' that you mention are indeed most peculiar,and more keep turning up. Many of these objects can now be explained rationally - like the Antikythera mechanism. But many defy all attempts to explain them. Items of jewellery have been found in Egypt dating from the old dynasty that show signs of having been electroplated so this could be an explanation for the 'baghdad batteries'. Of course where on earth the ancient Egyptians acquired the knowledge to do this is an obvious mystery.



One of the best modes for time travel is on a dream level in which you can travel back as deep as you can. This technique takes time but can have profounding results. Like the answer to all creation and how many times we have repeated ourselves on this earth.We are an old species very old and have been very inteligent ever since we arrived at this planet billions of years ago. The turnover or the end usually ends the same in nuclear fallout or some type of plague but we are survivors and always start over passing the word on through the ages of peace not greed . It will probably end this time from fallout because we as the Earths people wasted to much energy into creating our own demise. every country holds countless nuclear weapons that are ready to fire at the drop of a hand. This energy should have been used for ending desease and poverty death and pollution, we have become a plague instead of co existing and culltivating this paradise that we live on. we can make it a heaven or a hell but thats for us to build. Maybe you the reader will be writing this through my eyes one day and see the invention.... thumbsup.gif

Edit: please do not post this size again.
louie
ive often thought about it myself. and any of your theories are plausable. i hope to view the antikka mechnasim this year.


http://www.astro.rug.nl/~weygaert/antikytheramechanism.html
some pics for ya
Dowdy
Thanks Jonja, now i dont have to squint but i had to stand around 10ft back just to read it grin2.gif
AtlantisRises
I to believe in the possibility of a hightech past to the earth. I have mentioned the flying machines of the ancient Ramans and the Atlanteans, the possibility of ancient nuclear testing which was suggested by the leader of the manahattan project himself J. Robert Oppenheimer who famously suggested in a university lecture
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During a college lecture, Oppenheimer was asked: 'Was the atomic test at Alamagordo the first nuclear blast?' The student meant: Was there a U.S. program before Alamagordo? Oppenheimer answered: 'Yes, in modern times.' The creator of the A-Bomb meant: Our atomic program was the first, not counting the ancient nuclear wars of the distant past.


Ancient nuke stuff

He was one of the greatest of the twentieth centuries scientists. Probably responsible for as much social change as einstien himself. And that he said such a thing indicates that not all people that believe such things are brainless morons. Though i admit that some great people have supported hairbrained ideas (Haileys belief in the "Hollow earth" theory for instance)

I personally believe that there has been plenty of time for societies to have risen and fallen in the life of the earth.
Master Sage
Very intresting, my big question is who? if we could have known, we may find many more great things.
Bosanchero
More I Think About It More It Seems Like Something That Did, and could happen, i mean its hard to belive that Entire Humanity might be lost in God Knows What War, there will always be some survivors, and thats when it Restarts and we go all over,
Jonja
QUOTE(Bosanchero @ Apr 23 2006, 07:13 AM) [snapback]1160155[/snapback]

More I Think About It More It Seems Like Something That Did, and could happen, i mean its hard to belive that Entire Humanity might be lost in God Knows What War, there will always be some survivors, and thats when it Restarts and we go all over,



Thanks Dowdy I always wonderd why I could read my friends hnadwirtnig!! There is also another theory that this is all basically a video game that we had created for entertainment in another time & place where things arent as visually acceptive or fun and have made a body perserver to keep the body alive while trapped inside our own desighn living life after life from beggining to end end to beginning and our next decision of destiny has always been up to you or me So think before you act it could affect yourself in another life cool.gif
AdNauseamSuiGeneris
I do beleive that history is not linear, and there is much much more evidence that points that way besides what is posted here, like human bones found in coal deposits, along with jewlery and pottery and toys in coal too. But heck, do your own research! It's more interesting!
AphexTwin
a computer game? lol. ive thought about that too. dont believe in it though. comes to too many walls and empty relivancy...history always repeats itself tho. sooo many examples all over the place. from the last time we destructed our race was before the birth of christ. nuclear wars? why not. explains the desert over in that geography. the time before that, who knows....all i know is our turn is coming up soon. 12/12/2012? its ironic how the most severe of the problems are still coming from that same land....even the same continent of africa! its horrible over there!!!!! ah man. lets hope we all can come to religious and political terms before its too late.

PEACE n LOVE<3
Liz
Feanor
The Antikythera Mechanism, if I remember well, its some kind of astronomical calculation device. I read about this sometime ago. I can´t remember where. Its amazing.

We know little about our past, our time on earth is nothing compared to the age of the planet.

Master Sage
QUOTE(Feanor @ Apr 24 2006, 08:58 AM) [snapback]1161358[/snapback]

The Antikythera Mechanism, if I remember well, its some kind of astronomical calculation device. I read about this sometime ago. I can´t remember where. Its amazing.

We know little about our past, our time on earth is nothing compared to the age of the planet.


If I'm right, Archamedes designed it. Dunno why, think it was on the discovery channel.
Bio-Mage
The greek term for the Antikythera device is "astrolavos" or "reciever of stars" (coordinates). However its one of the most complex ones ever been made. Makes you wonder... original.gif
AtlantisRises
Dunno about the "Video Game" theory. Seems to much liek the Matrix. But i have heard of Solipsism or the idea that nothing exists beyond myself and that therefore i am the center of the Universe. People sometimes call this the Dream theory. That the world/universe is my dream and i will dream it in my way.
Bosanchero
QUOTE(AtlantisRises @ Apr 26 2006, 01:44 AM) [snapback]1163762[/snapback]

Dunno about the "Video Game" theory. Seems to much liek the Matrix. But i have heard of Solipsism or the idea that nothing exists beyond myself and that therefore i am the center of the Universe. People sometimes call this the Dream theory. That the world/universe is my dream and i will dream it in my way.


Okkkk unsure.gif rolleyes.gif if you dream it in YOUR way and i dream it in MY way how come its the same for both of us,

in my world Bush invaded iraq, is that whats happening in yours ?
bosnian
I think not. But there are people before us, and after we destruct our humen kind, there will be civilisation of inteligent people after.

History did not repeat it self in details.

My opinion.
Dennison
I think it makes sense to think that the ancient civilizations flourished and that we are probably repeating with advances in certain fields as they did, but if you are to look at it logically, their society was still very primitive compared to ours now.
Dennison
QUOTE(Bosanchero @ Apr 26 2006, 12:20 AM) [snapback]1163914[/snapback]

Okkkk unsure.gif rolleyes.gif if you dream it in YOUR way and i dream it in MY way how come its the same for both of us,

in my world Bush invaded iraq, is that whats happening in yours ?



Same thing is happening in my Bad Dream, Bush is an idiot, leading us to the slaughter for his false war, and the world isn't getting any closer to being at peace.
Reepa
The earth is that old that maybe there was a civilization billions of years ago that was comparable to ours or maybe far more advanced.

We will probably never know, unless a few fled to the stars and survived the mind boggling timescale and come tell us the story in the future.

Its a good theory though, who know what might have evolved billions of years before us.
Bella-Angelique
I hope that they can eventually prove that a world wide civilization existed and what happened to it. I think this would help to put a damper on the religious fundementalist wackos in every religion that think they know everything and are always pronouncing threats on others if they do not believe exactly the same as they do.
Once they understand that ancient books were written the best they could be, but they were still flawed and incomplete writings by less advanced people than we are now, there is a great deal of hope for change.
Feanor
QUOTE(Bosanchero @ Apr 26 2006, 01:20 AM) [snapback]1163914[/snapback]

Okkkk unsure.gif rolleyes.gif if you dream it in YOUR way and i dream it in MY way how come its the same for both of us,

in my world Bush invaded iraq, is that whats happening in yours ?


Its like:

This very statement of yours could be a creation of his dream, as mine too. And all this right now, could be my own dream reffering to his dream and yours.
Feanor
QUOTE(Reepa @ Apr 26 2006, 02:07 PM) [snapback]1164583[/snapback]

The earth is that old that maybe there was a civilization billions of years ago that was comparable to ours or maybe far more advanced.

We will probably never know, unless a few fled to the stars and survived the mind boggling timescale and come tell us the story in the future.

Its a good theory though, who know what might have evolved billions of years before us.



Indeed. The Giza pyramids for example: They seem old and rustic, but no actual technology and knowledge was capable of building something like Giza pyramids as they were built. Yes, we can make pyramids these days, but not like those. Why? What egyptians new about architecture and engineering that we don´t know?
Guardsman Bass
QUOTE(Bosanchero @ Apr 22 2006, 11:34 PM) [snapback]1159783[/snapback]

Millions of years ago is there posibility that Earth was inhabited by inteligent humans such as ourselfs ???
did they have some of the tehnologies that we are curentlly in posesion of ???
I know many of you will say :"What is wrong with this guy" or "idiot" and thats what i tought when i was aproached with this idea, but after doing a bit of research i was amazed at what i found out.


I am certainly open to new ideas on what developed when, and so forth. However, to actually prove that a civilization existed millions of years ago (and was a human one), we need really solid proof- trace archaeological remnants beyond the ones known to be possessed by hominid ancestral species like Homo Erectus and Habilis, possible tools, signs of serious inhabitance, and so forth.

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The Bible tells us that God created Adam and Eve just a few thousand years ago, by some fundamentalist interpretations. Science informs us that this is mere fiction and that man is a few million years old, and that civilization just tens of thousands of years old. Could it be, however, that conventional science is just as mistaken as the Bible stories? There is a great deal of archeological evidence that the history of life on earth might be far different than what current geological and anthropological texts tell us. Consider these astonishing finds:

1]The Antikythera Mechanism

A perplexing artifact was recovered by sponge-divers from a shipwreck in 1900 off the coast of Antikythera, a small island that lies northwest of Crete. The divers brought up from the wreck a great many marble and and bronze statues that had apparently been the ship's cargo. Among the findings was a hunk of corroded bronze that contained some kind of mechanism composed of many gears and wheels. Writing on the case indicated that it was made in 80 B.C., and many experts at first thought it was an astrolabe, an astronomer's tool. An x-ray of the mechanism, however, revealed it to be far more complex, containing a sophisticated system of differential gears. Gearing of this complexity was not known to exist until 1575! It is still unknown who constructed this amazing instrument 2,000 years ago or how the technology was lost.


Most likely a Greek inventor, although I don't know how exactly this supports the idea of a civilization millions of years ago; it just seems evidence of lost technology, which does happen over the course of human history.

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2] The Baghdad Battery

Today batteries can be found in any grocery, drug, convenience and department store you come across. Well, here's a battery that's 2,000 years old! Known as the Baghdad Battery, this curiosity was found in the ruins of a Parthian village believed to date back to between 248 B.C. and 226 A.D. The device consists of a 5-1/2-inch high clay vessel inside of which was a copper cylinder held in place by asphalt, and inside of that was an oxidized iron rod. Experts who examined it concluded that the device needed only to be filled with an acid or alkaline liquid to produce an electric charge. It is believed that this ancient battery might have been used for electroplating objects with gold. If so, how was this technology lost... and the battery not rediscovered for another 1,800 years?


240-220 BCE was the time period in which the Parthian Empire (which ruled the area) was overthrown by Artaxerxes I, who established the Sassanian Empire. In that kind of chaos, some technology may be lost, especially if it was scarce, or the supply of gold dried up (as it is wont to do during a civil war).

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3] Impossible Fossils

Fossils, as we learned in grade school, appear in rocks that were formed many thousands of years ago. Yet there are a number of fossils that just don't make geological or historical sense. A fossil of a human handprint, for example, was found in limestone estimated to be 110 million years old. What appears to be a fossilized human finger found in the Canadian Arctic also dates back 100 to 110 million years ago. And what appears to be the fossil of a human footprint, possibly wearing a sandal, was found near Delta, Utah in a shale deposit estimated to be 300 million to 600 million years old.


And where exactly were these deposits located? Human tampering and wandering in is always a possibility, particularly in contemporary times when coal mining was a big deal.

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4] Out-of-Place Metal Objects

Humans were not even around 65 million years ago, never mind people who could work metal. So then how does science explain semi-ovoid metallic tubes dug out of 65-million-year-old Cretaceous chalk in France? In 1885, a block of coal was broken open to find a metal cube obviously worked by intelligent hands. In 1912, employees at an electric plant broke apart a large chunk of coal out of which fell an iron pot! A nail was found embedded in a sandstone block from the Mesozoic Era. And there are many, many more such anomalies.

What are we to make of these finds? There are several possibilities:
Intelligent humans date back much, much further than we realize.
Other intelligent beings and civilizations existed on earth far beyond our recorded history.
Our dating methods are completely inaccurate, and that stone, coal and fossils form much more rapidly than we now estimate.ancientx.com


Like I mentioned earlier, in cases of substances like coal (which has been mined for well over a century), there is always the strong possibility that people have been tampering with it. We need to see evidence pointing out the unlikeliness of this, and evidence that the semi-ovoid metallic tubes are the same age, or just as ancient, as the material they were buried in.
JC2

I had a dream, lol, it was all about ancient civilisations and the last one I was able to see the end of their world ass they knew it.

These guys where way ahead of us and they had understandings far beyond anything we have been introduced to and the scary thing is it is all so possible.

They knew the earth was about to enter into its birthing stage, that’s how they referred to it, and for a few hundred years they set about looking at other planets to colonise until this world returned back to its natural state.

They built satellites and deep space exploration ones and they would go off to other solar systems and record all the data they would need to understand what would be needed to travel there and inhabit one of their planets. We still see these satellite and we call them comets….. They return periodically like Hailey’s (72 years) and they would then release the data but our technology cannot pick up their signals.

They colonised mars and some went a lot farther but my dream was more of a ‘past life’ kind of experience.

Their world was far more civilised and balanced than anything we have been able to witness..... ohmy.gif

I reckon that a lot of the past is hidden and this time those in the ‘know’ are off to the dark side of the moon this time as they have found water, enough to sustain life for what ever length of time they plan on going for this time….. w00t.gif
MoJo88
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3] Impossible Fossils

Fossils, as we learned in grade school, appear in rocks that were formed many thousands of years ago. Yet there are a number of fossils that just don't make geological or historical sense. A fossil of a human handprint, for example, was found in limestone estimated to be 110 million years old. What appears to be a fossilized human finger found in the Canadian Arctic also dates back 100 to 110 million years ago. And what appears to be the fossil of a human footprint, possibly wearing a sandal, was found near Delta, Utah in a shale deposit estimated to be 300 million to 600 million years old.

4] Out-of-Place Metal Objects

Humans were not even around 65 million years ago, never mind people who could work metal. So then how does science explain semi-ovoid metallic tubes dug out of 65-million-year-old Cretaceous chalk in France? In 1885, a block of coal was broken open to find a metal cube obviously worked by intelligent hands. In 1912, employees at an electric plant broke apart a large chunk of coal out of which fell an iron pot! A nail was found embedded in a sandstone block from the Mesozoic Era. And there are many, many more such anomalies.


You kind of contradicted yourself....

Anyways, I think it would be interesting if we learned of some long lost civilization that had commerce and technology and the like... I don't know, though, if we will ever find definitive evidence to support such a thing.
MoJo88
QUOTE(MoJo88 @ Apr 26 2006, 02:05 PM) [snapback]1164802[/snapback]

You kind of contradicted yourself....


Sorry - Misread what you were saying...
Bosanchero
QUOTE(MoJo88 @ Apr 26 2006, 08:16 PM) [snapback]1164816[/snapback]

Sorry - Misread what you were saying...



lol yeep sure did haha, i was like what the heck is he talking about hahha
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