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Azalin
Last night I was able to catch an episode of David Blaine and his street magic T.V show. I am aware of how the hand can move faster then the eye, and can justify certain card tricks. You notice how they always get the person to focus 100% on the cards. They constantly tell them " look here, look at the card, look, keep looking, concentrate on the card " while they sneak with the other hand. This is obvious. However during feats such as levitation I am not able to explain fully. The only possible solution is an illusion. I would like to see him levitate, and then while he's doing it, have someone stick a board underneath him.

Im looking for any other logical explanations for that feat. I know magicians and illusionists follow a trick of the trade, and make some type of an oath to not share the secrets. I want to know logically how this can be done. Please don't repsond telling me you can levitate, or can do card tricks. I understand the trick of hand, and since I cannot see you levitate, it's of no use to me. Instead tell me how exactly it's done.

God Bless, Azalin
Bio-Mage
Ok I am going to sound really rude here (not that I care) but what part of the posts made already did you miss exactly?

Use the search and refrain from spamming. Thanks
Azalin
QUOTE(Bio-Mage @ Apr 24 2006, 02:13 PM) [snapback]1161435[/snapback]

Ok I am going to sound really rude here (not that I care) but what part of the posts made already did you miss exactly?

Use the search and refrain from spamming. Thanks


I apologize for posting why I did not do this. I don't have the time really, to go looking through peoples posts and identifying pages and pages of arguments. Im not looking for any arguments here, Im just looking for information.
Bio-Mage
My bad then. I am sorry but it gets annoying sometimes. A thread on levitation on here and a couple more that refer to those people by name should have good information on your questions. Other thna that dont expect showmen to reveal their secrets wink2.gif
Alfaman
You should check out this illusionist called Derren Brown, does a lot of TV show over here in the UK, some of his stunts are mind blowing, putting 6in needles through Robbie Williams arms and he didn't feel a thing, he isn't a magician as such but its still amazing some of the things he does!
Azalin
QUOTE(Bio-Mage @ Apr 24 2006, 02:56 PM) [snapback]1161497[/snapback]

My bad then. I am sorry but it gets annoying sometimes. A thread on levitation on here and a couple more that refer to those people by name should have good information on your questions. Other thna that dont expect showmen to reveal their secrets wink2.gif


Yes, I venture into this side of the board many times and read, but always classify such things as illusions and fast hands. However, I believe I solved my own answer.

QUOTE
Effect: The magician raises his arms up by his sides and slowly appears to rise a few inches off the ground for a little while before returning to earth quickly.

Balducci Method: The Balducci method involves positioning your audience about 8 to 10 feet away at a 45 degree angle.You need to keep your audience small so they are within this field of sight.

This is a very restrictive angle trick and it is essential that the angles are practised, preferably with a friend or in front of a mirror.

The Balducci levitation involves pretending to float off the ground by going on to your tip toes on just one foot ( the one furthest from their view ) while the nearest foot is raised a little off the ground.

This looks fantastic as the foot on your tip toe is hidden by your trousers, the nearest foot and the angle they are watching at. You only rise a few inches off the ground but the impression is fantastic. This trick is all in the presentation with you appearing to rise slowly, wait for a second or two and then return to the ground quickly so as the audience do not have time to figure the trick out.


David Blaine Version: David Blaine used various camera shots in his TV special with the audience reaction being filmed close up and linked to other clips of him in mid air with some of the angles showing the Balducci levitation.

The view that shows him rise a good few inches in the air and does not show the audience, would possibly have been done with a bar attached to a pivot like a seesaw.

The end of the pivot could have had a hook which clipped onto a harness attached to his belt and a member of the crew would have pushed down on the other side of the bar lifting David up in the air. The camera angle would have hidden the props.

This film would have been mixed in with the audience clips in the studios later.

The Balducci levitation secret is clearly explained in the Learn to levitate DVD which can be ordered online by clicking the link here and will allow you to learn master and perform self levitation like David Blaine and object levitation very quickly with incredible results . Go ahead and click the link above now .

hypnotist
Dont worry Azalin, Bio-Mage is rude to everyone who posts on here. I started a similar thread and suddenly on Bio's decree it was spam. I guess you can't win.
Insight
I can perform David Blaines levitation. Infact, anyone who knows the secret can. And once you learn, you'll be kicking yourself at how simple it is.
Bio-Mage
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Dont worry Azalin, Bio-Mage is rude to everyone who posts on here. I started a similar thread and suddenly on Bio's decree it was spam. I guess you can't win.


It was posted in the wrong section. Its not my fault if you people can't be asked to read further than your own posts...

Can someone move this to the media section too?
hypnotist
QUOTE(Bio-Mage @ Apr 25 2006, 09:50 AM) [snapback]1162584[/snapback]

It was posted in the wrong section. Its not my fault if you people can't be asked to read further than your own posts...

Can someone move this to the media section too?


This is not in the wrong section you idiot, stop posting rubbish that you cant back up. And dont say 'you people' like everyone but you is perfect.

PLease explain how LEVITATION should not be placed in METAPHYSICS. And dont use the tired excuse of David Blaine and Criss Angel being media. It doenst apply
Bio-Mage
Because you post it under the statement that you are aware its a trick. So metaphysics is not an issue. I dont think I can make this any simpler for you. Then again I understand why you would be confused in the first place....

hypnotist
Well as I used levitation from Blaine as an EXAMPLE not a rule I obvioulsy credited you with more intelligence than you obviously have. As the thread followed with countless examples of levitation that wasn't put down (by yourself) as a parlour trick I can fully understand how it applies to metaphysics.

Now levitating off the ground may not be classed as this by you but rather as media (?!) then I suggest you spend less time on being rude by your own admission and more time on backing up your wild claims
Bio-Mage
This thread is still about the trick issue. Can you read?

As for an explanation. The human body cannot levitate because its physiology lacks the means for doing so. There is no propulsion, no gliding system and no gravity defying apparatus. Our locomotions system has adapted to use our extremities and its land based.
Pax Unum
QUOTE(Bio-Mage @ Apr 25 2006, 06:56 AM) [snapback]1162706[/snapback]

Because you post it under the statement that you are aware its a trick. So metaphysics is not an issue. I dont think I can make this any simpler for you. Then again I understand why you would be confused in the first place....


I agree with Bio-Mage... theres nothing Metaphysical about these magic tricks... no.gif
RedEyeJedi
Here is one levitation techinique.

Criss Angel Exposed
Dennison
I would love to see Houdini go up to these Illusionists and debunk them, it would make me laugh so much ! (Houdini was a well known medium and illusionist debunker, he would go to their shows and prove them wrong and show the audience how the illusionist was doing the so called "magic")
Pax Unum
QUOTE(Dennison @ Apr 25 2006, 11:22 AM) [snapback]1163051[/snapback]

I would love to see Houdini go up to these Illusionists and debunk them, it would make me laugh so much ! (Houdini was a well known medium and illusionist debunker, he would go to their shows and prove them wrong and show the audience how the illusionist was doing the so called "magic")


I wasn’t aware Blaine and Angel claimed to be real “wizards”.... isn’t that just what a few ignorant people believe? Just wondering dontgetit.gif
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(martypalin @ Apr 25 2006, 06:37 AM) [snapback]1162683[/snapback]

PLease explain how LEVITATION should not be placed in METAPHYSICS. And dont use the tired excuse of David Blaine and Criss Angel being media. It doenst apply

I agree with the tired excuse.

MAGICIAN.
Magician.
One more time. Magician.
Thats all they claim to be.
hypnotist
fine, there is no point me arguing Bio because you obviously cant read.

How do you explain levitation as part of meditation then, or are they doing a trick for the benefit of...oh themselves? And no I don't have footage but I do believe in it.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(martypalin @ Apr 25 2006, 11:55 AM) [snapback]1163100[/snapback]

fine, there is no point me arguing Bio because you obviously cant read.

How do you explain levitation as part of meditation then, or are they doing a trick for the benefit of...oh themselves? And no I don't have footage but I do believe in it.

There is nothing to explain. There has never been any levitation proven to be real. Too bad, so sad.
Pax Unum
QUOTE(martypalin @ Apr 25 2006, 06:37 AM) [snapback]1162683[/snapback]
PLease explain how LEVITATION should not be placed in METAPHYSICS. And dont use the tired excuse of David Blaine and Criss Angel being media. It doenst apply


I wasn’t aware Blaine and Angel claimed to be real “wizards”.... isn’t that just what a few ignorant people believe? Just wondering dontgetit.gif
hypnotist
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Apr 25 2006, 05:58 PM) [snapback]1163106[/snapback]

There is nothing to explain. There has never been any levitation proven to be real. Too bad, so sad.


http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/l/levitation.html

put in your words, too bad so sad. Apology accepted grin2.gif
hypnotist
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Apr 25 2006, 05:53 PM) [snapback]1163097[/snapback]

I agree with the tired excuse.

MAGICIAN.
Magician.
One more time. Magician.
Thats all they claim to be.



I'm not apologising over DPing, look Raven read my metaphorical lips

Levitation is not restricted to David Blaine and Criss Angel, they are used as EXAMPLES becasue they are a familiar name/face. Do you really think myself and others are suggesting they are the only two people in the world who practice levitation? If I said I saw Joe Bloggs floating down the street I'd probably sound crazier.

Not everyone who does magic sticks to it, I think personally, some people can go further and do paranormal stuff.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(martypalin @ Apr 26 2006, 09:47 AM) [snapback]1164372[/snapback]

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/l/levitation.html

put in your words, too bad so sad. Apology accepted grin2.gif

Woo. That proves a bunch of nothing. lol tongue.gif
Triad
Chris Angel was clearly identified as an illusionist, in a Radio advertising of a Miami, Florida presentation, of a soon to come presentation of his act. I see no point in suggesting his abilities go beyond that of a simple magician, as in reality, he does identify himself as an illusionist.

Any thoughts?
hypnotist
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Apr 27 2006, 12:28 AM) [snapback]1165033[/snapback]

Woo. That proves a bunch of nothing. lol tongue.gif


How ironic of you to say as I seem to be the only one offering evidence while you just sit there shouting no, no, no. What a convincing argument you have.
Triad
By the same token more than just a few individuals have been cannonized as Sainst by the the Vatican Church, who claimed and had witnesses to having preformed acts of levitation. As far as common magic being able to mimic a valid preformance of PK? Keep
in mind that anything can be faked (even an orgasm), it provides evidence of nothing in relation to what is possible or what is not.

That levitation is a part of recorded history sugest that it is valid..... or have some
here forgoten about that case of someone walking on water or for that matter, with
the faith of a mustard seed..........??


Any thoughts?


Insight
QUOTE(Triad @ Apr 26 2006, 06:42 PM) [snapback]1165191[/snapback]

Chris Angel was clearly identified as an illusionist, in a Radio advertising of a Miami, Florida presentation, of a soon to come presentation of his act. I see no point in suggesting his abilities go beyond that of a simple magician, as in reality, he does identify himself as an illusionist.

Any thoughts?


Very true. Just because you don't understand how the trick works doesn't mean it is a supernatural feat. As a magician myself, I can duplicate most of the tricks which the famous street magicians perform. And I have convinced more than a few drunks and a few kids that I did infact have supernatural abilities.
Triad
QUOTE

Keep in mind that anything can be faked (even an orgasm), it provides evidence of nothing in relation to what is possible or what is not.



Common Magic is slumming....

Any thoughts?
Bio-Mage
The aspiration for people to wield magic maybe real, however magic itself is not. So lets get on with this topic and let it die already unless you have some metaphysical examples that you want to discuss.
Triad
Sure, absolute in relation to what does exist and what does not does not exist, with respect to any professional conclusion in relation to reality.

A basic tenet of science....often related to as anything can exist from the context of a probability and as far as something not existing that is extremism......

So for the record Bio-Mage the fact that you are an ________________ (fill in blank with whatever you find offensive) does exist, as a part of reality and is real in every sense is a valid conclusion......

The idea that reality is based upon any absolutes is regarded as inappropriate by any valid conclusion no.gif existing today by anyone with common sense. Alternative explanations simply do not carry any real weight amongst those whose conclusions carry any weight...

Trust me on that one thumbsup.gif

Any thoughts?

grezoid
It seems to me there are a lot of people out there who are quick to say its all bulls***. I will not say that it is or it is not, I do not assume anything in a world where anything can and does happen. I realize Chris Angel is an illusionist, and some of his feats can be explained. However, some of them have yet to to be explained (case in point, floating from rooftop to rooftop). Now people have already said, and more will say, its all fake or' I know how he does it. But I have yet to see someone actually explain it. Are the people he has witness these illusions all plants? Is there anyone out there who has seen these stunts in person? All I see is people nay-saying but no one explaining HOW.
Kazuma
QUOTE(grezoid @ Sep 22 2006, 10:59 AM) [snapback]1360808[/snapback]

All I see is people nay-saying but no one explaining HOW.


You're not supposed to be able to explain the stuff they do.

Of course, they all have explanations, I just don't know them. Sorry.
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