not necssliry(SP)ture, its an animal, not a plane

AGAIN PEOPLE READ
ALL OF THE DAMB POSTS if i haveto
repeat myself again im gonna blow
some ones brains out

i have already said (about a dozen times)
i was most likely mistaken about the birds
size

where would a bird with a body the size of a VW roost? it would have a VERY hard time landing in tree's... just wondering

well, no need for that, people please read before you type so other people do not get mad at you

a 3-cm radar at Brock University and electronically counted birds passing overhead between 250 and 950 m.

Application of Weather Radar to Monitoring Numbers of Birds in Migration

FORECASTING THE JOURNEY SOUTH

WTF ??

I didn't understand what you were saying in refrence to ? (did anyone?) I will ? you if I want. Stop me, go on. Are you going to pop round and pull my ? key lol.

Why all the hostility????
Everyone in here, including myself has tried to help you but you are self destructive. If you were mistaken about the size of the bird, why get so irate with me? I offered you links to 2 very large species. You did not consider this information, you just went out on attack. Consider the information and then tell us if we are helping or not. You said after your first attack on me (and I quote) "That was fun" - so what exactly is your intention - do you actually have information you want hellp with or have you come here bored in search of a flame war?
Put the hatchet down man. People are trying to help you, appreciate it.

but this was not at Brock U, was it?

what did frogfish say about lying, all you have done is curse and rant, and links you gave he said was not his case, so no, you have not been of ANY help

Radar Observations
One of the developments of our modern age of electronics has been the discovery that migrating birds show up on radar screens used in monitoring aircraft. At first. the screen images caused by flying birds were a mystery to radar operators, and they designated the dots "angels." Later when their nature was understood, students of bird migration seized on the unique opportunity to obtain information on movements of birds over extensive areas.

Techniques for Studying Migration

BUT, was a radar near there?

i repeat i was most likely mistaken about the size
please guys don't make me repeate
myself again

okay from now on i will talk slower
and more precise. im just tried of repeating
myself thats all, and when i said "that was fun"
what i meant was that it felt good to blow off some
steam.

I would say definition of your post here is rant.
He did say that this not what he saw. I provided 2 possibles that have now been eliminated. Scientific method. If you listened to other posts you would be aware of that. I have been of help to the thinking members as there are two leads that do not need chasing. I tried to help the fellow, if he is only here to fight the mods will sort him nice and quick.
I ask one more time you leave this alone. This original post was specifically not directed at you, I am sure Bietsch can answer for himself quite well.

[quote name='psyche101' date='May 8 2006, 09:39 PM' post='118069

Why all the hostility????
Everyone in here, including myself has tried to help you but you are self destructive. If you were mistaken about the size of the bird, why get so irate with me? I offe
[/quote]

Everyone here except frogfish and
thecreeper are clling me a liar, a
hoaxer, a fruad, or saying that
im too stupid to tell the
deference of a giant bird and
a buzzard

these are your words...



you clearly say 'about the size of a small car'... now, the only thing 'big' is your imagination.

This is the ? post I refered to. Sorry, I just do not understand it. No need for slower.
Don't blow steam at me, I tried to help you.

I mean to fight no
one. I only defend my
beleif

CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE
OF THIS

oh Bietsch its just a plane or
your imagenation

I have clearly stated that i was
likely wrong about those estimants

101's words" i provided your a*s with heaps of
informantion."

While you did direct me to some sites this
is all things i have checked into

what did you expect? very few people believe in GIANT thunder birds...

Always the people who see them...

Hrrmzzz, no one has said you were wrong. I never meant to say you did not know the difference. I did make a blunder not seeing you were in the States at the time, but you country listed in Germany. I apologised for that error. That is why I suggested the Great Bustard. More common in Germany, big bird.
Look at this rationally.
Location was wrong - my error
Bird body size was wrong - your error
Bad information was giving bad answers. Frogfish also thinks you saw something like a Condor. Is that so difficult to comprehend? Remember, you are a facelss new person we do not know. You could be genuine, you could be a hoaxer. I offered you help and you attacked me for it (granted egged on b y thecreeper). It will b e a long time before I contribute squat to any thread you open in the future.
Why is it so impossible you could be mistaken? I tried to tell you my field of expertise is scale. You called me a d!ck. Gee, what ever happened to thanks? I tried to help you for Pete's sake. thecreeper gets all threads in turmoil like this with myslelf or frogfish, or toker, in fact anyone who tires to provide genuine facts.
If you saw a large bird, that is fine, nobody says you didn't we are offering what we see as rational explainations is all. thecreeper will agree with anything out of the ordinary. Poor choice of ally first up friend. Don't be so suprised I lashed back, what would you do if someone tried to help you and they called you a d!ck?

Sorry 101 im German and a teenager thats what
we do...

i never said it was im possible
and i highly doubt it was a
thunder bird

please accept my depest
aplosige. it just i was in a car
crash and hurt my neck,
my girl friend dumpedme,
and my favorite pet died.

Come on, is this entirely truthful? If I had the location so wrong, why did you reserch birds from Europe as opposed to birds from America like I did? Yoiu said the links were useless because the sighting was in America, this links I provided are for birds common to Europe, specifically reside some time of the year in Germany. That was my mistake, remember?

I directed you to some sites as you admit (is that the other reason for calling me a d!ck? providing you with links?). Sorry they were not to you liking, how dare I try to help you solve your mystery. Bad person I am helping others and all.

did ya read my apologie?

Just saw this after my previous post.

No problems, we got off on the wrong foot, helped along nicely by thecreeper. Apology accepted, and I retract any durogotory statements made to you as well. Thank you for extending the hand. Hope things get better for you.

PS, yes, I did see the apologies, but was writing this post at the time and just missed it. Maybe posted at the same time. Hopefully we have all that behind us now. Best of luck, I hope you identify what you saw.

so do i

well i may never turely find out
what the bird was: a thunder bird,
buzzard, plane, or new speices.

The reason i acted so violently to 101
was i skimmed down over one of
101s posts and in my mind all i
saw was insults and not the
info 101 was truly trying to
give me. and also i didnt supply the info
i meant to. this maybe the
reason thecreeper acts
this way if it is i hope he
sees it too

Well i guess its about time to stick
a fork in this puppie its done

M8, that is what I always say Go back and have a second look, if thecreeper did that, he would not get offside with half the people he does.
I think yu and I are a shining example:- ready to tear each other apart a page ago, now smiley faces, shows what a mature attitude between two intelligent adults is capable of doesn't it I can understand why you got upset with the insults, they were not initially intended that way, my sense of humour is like a fine wine, very dry and spoils quickly with time.

Unfortunately, without taking a picture, it is very hard to ever determine exactly what it was. We live in such a diverse and wonderous place that we can often see new things we cannot identify. I do not think one picture exists of the Thunderbird, which sort of cast quite some doubt on it's existance, I heard an Indian Chief took one, but having never seen it, I cannot make fair comment.

I doubt it's a new species...

The most logical answer is a small plane or a misjudged eagle/hawk.

I live in MI, not far from PA...I KNOW almost every birs that lives or migrates past here...


Sorry, but I question that...

Against a background like the sky, you can easily lose perception and depth...

Could it of been an
abnormally large
buzzard like
their are abnormally
large humans

i don't know if this helps but when i saw it
it was moving in a Southwesterly
direction

Giantism in birds is different than Giantism in Humans...You probably misjudged a regular hawk or vulture

Sorry, i study birds and amphibians
not humans

So the most likely answer is a misjudged vulture or eagle.

isn't slightly possible i saw
a new or mutated speices

There is always a chance, but probably not.

so lets say

95% chance misjuged

2% chance Thunder Bird

3% chance new or mutaned speices

does that sound better

It is easy to mis-judge something after just a glance, when I was younger I once could have sworn I saw a toucan perched on the roof of the house across the road from where I lived. I was sure it had exactly the same beak size and shape. Of course my theory was ridiculous seeing as I lived in Scotland and so after a while of musing on it I put it down to just being a crow or seagull. OK so it's not quite a thunderbird but it just proves that it's easy to make mistakes.

So true

you know frogfish, in topics like these you from one answer and stick with no matter what happens in the topic, why do you that?

P.S nice fable avatar,Bietsch

That could have been a pet toucan.
my friend has one named Touky
and man does he bite

But when the thing is right there and flies
just over you its hard to forget. And
yes i have seen buzzards and vultrues
up close

P.S. my Fable avatar is sweet

man toucans give me the creeps ( bad pun ), manly cause one almost took my eye out, not that any care so nevermind , I still think the thunderbird was not misindentfed

I agree the bird i saw was too
big and odd looking to be an animal
that was normal to P.A.

no bird in that area, known to science matchs your decription

Let me do a little more Google research.....

wikipedia(sp) may be of some help