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frogfish
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Vaccines at birth a possibility

Agents could be added to vaccines to boost the immune response
A study has shown that vaccinating newborn babies might be possible.
Currently, most immunisations are given to babies at two months of age because they are unable to mount an immune response to the majority of vaccines.

But US scientists have found a way to stimulate an immune response in newborns, following the discovery of a type of molecule present at birth.

The team, writing in the journal Blood, say infant mortality could be reduced if babies are vaccinated at birth.

Newborn babies have an immature immune system. This, coupled with their reduced response to most vaccines, leaves very young babies vulnerable to infections.

We believe we have stumbled across the molecular holy grail of neonatal immunology

Dr Ofer Levy, lead researcher

But immunologists from the Children's Hospital, Boston, say they have found a molecule, called Toll-like receptor 8, which could be stimulated to boost immune responses and enable vaccination.

First defence

Toll-like receptors, or TLRs, are found on the surface of certain types of white blood cells, and are the first line of defence against infection.

They detect the presence of invading bacteria and viruses, and trigger the production of cytokines, a type of protein, that cause other immune cells to mount a defence against infection.

Babies, like adults, have 10 kinds of TLRs, but unlike in adults, most, when stimulated, do not trigger this kind of immune response.

This, according to the researchers, could be an evolutionary factor, whereby a baby's immune system is inactivated during pregnancy so as to prevent attacking its mother's.

However, the researchers discovered that one of the TLRs, TLR-8, was an exception and could be stimulated by several compounds to produce an immune response.

Dr Ofer Levy, lead researcher on the study and an immunologist from Harvard Medical School, said: "These are exactly the kinds of responses you need to get good vaccine responses."

New vaccines

These compounds could perhaps given to babies alongside vaccines, he said, to boost the neonatal vaccine response, thereby enabling vaccination of newborns.

"We believe we have stumbled across the molecular holy grail of neonatal immunology."

His team will now carry out further studies to test this possibility in animals and eventually in babies.

He said his findings could have real practical benefits.

"In the Western world we tend to vaccinate babies at two, four and six months - this means that we leave a window of susceptibility," said Dr Levy.

"If we could come up with a way to get the system to work at birth, then you would close that window of susceptibility."

From a global health perspective, he said, there is evidence that babies in the developing world have the highest rate of contact with the healthcare system at birth, compared to the rest of their childhoods.

"And if a vaccine could be given at birth, you will achieve better vaccine coverage rates," he said.

But Adam Finn, professor of paediatrics from Bristol University, said it was too early to say whether this research could change vaccination.

"This is an interesting observation about one aspect of a baby's immune system that appears to work quite well and which could, theoretically, be exploited to make vaccines more effective in the future," said Professor Finn.

"But it is important to remember that it is a preliminary observation."


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Tangerine Sheri
I'd pass they don't know enough for my tastes, vaccinations tamper with the immune system...In theory its a great idea vaccinations but in reality it hasn't been studied enough the only studies are the ones form years back in england there is no long term studies or funding beyond the clinical trials that are needed to get drugs aproved of...i say after more comprehensive studies medicine is in its infancy many approved drugs end up being recalled the way studies are done is criminal i draw the lines at infants,,...its funny many of the things vaccinated for provide lifelong immunitys and are no more than a common cold.... Fear is a useful tool here scare the parent into tinkning hte kid will die otherwise yet over nad over its showing that the vaccinations aren't working. other thatn to cause a whle lot of problems......I have seen that myself the chicken pox one what a laugh and I was just speaking wiht a client of mine that is a docotor told me that there is no guarentee they work......they just don't know..........
frogfish
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vaccinations tamper with the immune system

By making them better thumbsup.gif

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but in reality it hasn't been studied enough the only studies are the ones form years back in england there is no long term studies or funding beyond the clinical trials that are needed to get drugs aproved of

Wow, have you been living in a cave? You must be for such an ignorant statement like that. yes.gif There has been a lot of funding, research and testing on vaccinations.

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i say after more comprehensive studies medicine is in its infancy many approved drugs end up being recalled the way studies are done is criminal i draw the lines at infants,,

How are studines criminal? Infant vaccinations will SAVE lives like it said in the article. Ask any doctor.

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its funny many of the things vaccinated for provide lifelong immunitys and are no more than a common cold

Hepatitus A B C, Mumps, Rubella, Measles, Whooping Cough, Malaria, Influenza...I think you are wrong thumbsup.gif

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Fear is a useful tool here scare the parent into tinkning hte kid will die otherwise yet over nad over its showing that the vaccinations aren't working. other thatn to cause a whle lot of problems......

Why, I thought you were using fear? I won't die if I get Malaria, so I'll pass up the vaccination! Tetanus won't hurt me! No vaccination! Hepatitus? Hmph! Who needs a hepatitus vaccine?

Another ignorant comment from Sherri. Any doctor would disagree. yes.gif

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I have seen that myself the chicken pox one what a laugh and I was just speaking wiht a client of mine that is a docotor told me that there is no guarentee they work......

I thought it worked just dandy...Along with the Hepatitus, Malaria, Smallpox, Polio, MRM, Tetanus, etc...

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they just don't know..........

Or maybe you just don't know...The whole Medical community against Sherri...Medicine wins!
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(frogfish @ Apr 25 2006, 03:06 PM) [snapback]1163472[/snapback]

By making them better thumbsup.gif
Wow, have you been living in a cave? You must be for such an ignorant statement like that. yes.gif There has been a lot of funding, research and testing on vaccinations.
How are studines criminal? Infant vaccinations will SAVE lives like it said in the article. Ask any doctor.
Hepatitus A B C, Mumps, Rubella, Measles, Whooping Cough, Malaria, Influenza...I think you are wrong thumbsup.gif
Why, I thought you were using fear? I won't die if I get Malaria, so I'll pass up the vaccination! Tetanus won't hurt me! No vaccination! Hepatitus? Hmph! Who needs a hepatitus vaccine?

Another ignorant comment from Sherri. Any doctor would disagree. yes.gif
I thought it worked just dandy...Along with the Hepatitus, Malaria, Smallpox, Polio, MRM, Tetanus, etc...
Or maybe you just don't know...The whole Medical community against Sherri...Medicine wins!

Geez frog if we were to have an outbreak of malaria it would be devastating, especially in the US where the population hasn't been exposed to this in generations thus having no immunity to it...If the weather continues the way it has been we are looking at the reality of this..
frogfish
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Geez frog if we were to have an outbreak of malaria it would be devastating, especially in the US where the population hasn't been exposed to this in generations thus having no immunity to it...If the weather continues the way it has been we are looking at the reality of this..

In case you are not being sarcastic, this is where vaccines come in thumbsup.gif
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(frogfish @ Apr 26 2006, 07:07 PM) [snapback]1165229[/snapback]

In case you are not being sarcastic, this is where vaccines come in thumbsup.gif

Frog I'm not being sarcastic if we have an outbreak of malaria vaccine or no vaccine we are in trouble alot of lifes will be lost......and i the way the weather has been lately its looking like a very real possibility ...As americans we haven't been exposed to malaria in generations there is no immunity.....There is no guarentee with vaccines now thats the truth, a vaccine doens't mean you don't get it frog.......Geez if our water supply went bad diptheria here we come the vaccine ain't gonna save us....Thats what I'm tryin g to tell you .....any health care person will tell you vaccines aren't a guarentee.....Its a bandaid at best just like the rest of medicine.....
Ravinar
christ! you two at it again? rolleyes.gif
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(Ravinar @ Apr 26 2006, 09:54 PM) [snapback]1165406[/snapback]

christ! you two at it again? rolleyes.gif

Frog and i are very passionate about our perspectives we actually do like each other really...tell em frog lol.......
frogfish
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Frog I'm not being sarcastic if we have an outbreak of malaria vaccine or no vaccine we are in trouble alot of lifes will be lost......

Vaccines will SAVE lives here yes.gif

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vaccines now thats the truth, a vaccine doens't mean you don't get it frog.......Geez if our water supply went bad diptheria here we come the vaccine ain't gonna save us....Thats what I'm tryin g to tell you .....any health care person will tell you vaccines aren't a guarentee.....Its a bandaid at best just like the rest of medicine.....

Medicine is a bandaid? i thought it was a cure rolleyes.gif Oh silly me!

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tell em frog lol

Yep...Just friendly discussion yes.gif
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(frogfish @ Apr 27 2006, 07:22 PM) [snapback]1166549[/snapback]

Vaccines will SAVE lives here yes.gif
Medicine is a bandaid? i thought it was a cure rolleyes.gif Oh silly me!
Yep...Just friendly discussion yes.gif

What has been a cure refresh my memory frog.....
RedEyeJedi
Don't vaccinate your kids. Sherri is right - they do nothing but mess with the systems natural ability to heal itself. Pharmaceutical companies make billions by tampering with our kids.

I know of a child who has never been vaccinated in his life and when seen by doctors his parents were told he was the healthiest kid they had ever seen. He has also never been sick.

I don't have kids yet but they will not be getting injected with poisons that aren't properly tested, just to line the pockets of pharmaceutical companies execs.

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Lottie
No-one is right and no-one is wrong. It is the parents choice whether or not to vaccinate their child. I have no qualms in having my child vaccinated. For me personally I see it as much more of a risk if my son wasn't.
Personally I feel that dangerous and potentially fatal diseases are prevented from spreading by vaccinations.
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(RedEyeJedi @ Apr 28 2006, 05:37 AM) [snapback]1166875[/snapback]

Don't vaccinate your kids. Sherri is right - they do nothing but mess with the systems natural ability to heal itself. Pharmaceutical companies make billions by tampering with our kids.

I know of a child who has never been vaccinated in his life and when seen by doctors his parents were told he was the healthiest kid they had ever seen. He has also never been sick.

I don't have kids yet but they will not be getting injected with poisons that aren't properly tested, just to line the pockets of pharmaceutical companies execs.

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You met my son huh Just kidding..i actually have a 8 year old boy who has never been seriously ill ever he is eight years and he just recently lost his first baby tooth he is somewhat of a example at the doctors and denist we too were told the same thing he is very healthy , We actually go to the docotrs when we are well not sick lol..Also a baby that is breast fed will get all the things the mother has an immunity too and it really is true...
I can't tell people what to do i say research for yourself look at it from all sides i too am very bothered that the long term research is non existant and that its little babies immune systems they tamper with but as parents we each have to make our own choices as Lottie says........But I also don't suport the fast food industry i think they serve garbage and I don't kill animals or support the destruction of the rain forest or child slave labor......I feel as a consumer i put my money where my mouth is..but thats me not everyone else feels as I do......lol
najaesouljah
Well I am 21 yr. and I have had all of my vaccinations. I was never sick as a child. And as an adult I very rarely get sick. I'm not against the decision not giving your children vaccines. But if I turned out o.k. then I guess they really couldn't hurt.
Kahrie
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Apr 29 2006, 06:21 AM) [snapback]1167167[/snapback]

You met my son huh Just kidding..i actually have a 8 year old boy who has never been seriously ill ever he is eight years and he just recently lost his first baby tooth he is somewhat of a example at the doctors and denist we too were told the same thing he is very healthy , We actually go to the docotrs when we are well not sick lol..Also a baby that is breast fed will get all the things the mother has an immunity too and it really is true...
I can't tell people what to do i say research for yourself look at it from all sides i too am very bothered that the long term research is non existant and that its little babies immune systems they tamper with but as parents we each have to make our own choices as Lottie says........But I also don't suport the fast food industry i think they serve garbage and I don't kill animals or support the destruction of the rain forest or child slave labor......I feel as a consumer i put my money where my mouth is..but thats me not everyone else feels as I do......lol



didn't you say in an earlier thread that your son was home-schooled etc i think that's the reason why your son is 'healthy' hmm.gif
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(Kahrie @ Apr 28 2006, 07:12 PM) [snapback]1167596[/snapback]

didn't you say in an earlier thread that your son was home-schooled etc i think that's the reason why your son is 'healthy' hmm.gif

Kahrie yes i home school, this is the first year my son attended public school for two years and we are very active in groups so no that is not why he is healthy he is just healthy due to eating habits and a strong immune system, If you have been to a public school it has alot of sick kids but if you are a healthy organism to begin with your chances of getting ill are slim to nil...IMO it has alot to do with the foods you eat.....
frogfish
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What has been a cure refresh my memory frog

Polio, smallpox, MRM

Vaccines have also saved millions of lives against diseases like Malaria, Hepatitus, influenza, etc.
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(frogfish @ Apr 30 2006, 02:02 PM) [snapback]1169447[/snapback]

Polio, smallpox, MRM

Vaccines have also saved millions of lives against diseases like Malaria, Hepatitus, influenza, etc.

Frog wasn't it you that just put at article on a recent outbreak of mumps???lol vaccines aren't a cure, the last reported case of Polio was 1999 caused by the vaccine lol.....
malaria????we have already discussed this if we get an outbreak of malaria we are in trouble frog there is no immunity for it.... hepatitis do you know how many people have hepatitis frog I think you misunderstand the nature of vaccines......Frog do you know what they use to treat cancer????? do you know what their experimental cures are?
Tray
I think vaccines will always be a taboo subject.

I have no kids of my own, but I had all the childhood vaccines, diptheria, tetanus, polio, rubella etc ( and the others as I remember, it was my parents decision, not mine, being a kid and all ) and I got sick as and when I got sick.

I work in a GP surgery and there's an ongoing thing with the MMR vaccine, parents want to pay to have it done privately in separate doses. That's their decision, and I'm sure when I have my own, I'll make a decision that I think is right.

Saying that, although I never got chickenpox as a child ( there being no vaccine for it anyways ) I recently had shingles at 30 and can't say it was a nice experience!

Good debate though, and some interesting perspectives.

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Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(Tray @ May 1 2006, 11:42 AM) [snapback]1170421[/snapback]

I think vaccines will always be a taboo subject.

I have no kids of my own, but I had all the childhood vaccines, diptheria, tetanus, polio, rubella etc ( and the others as I remember, it was my parents decision, not mine, being a kid and all ) and I got sick as and when I got sick.

I work in a GP surgery and there's an ongoing thing with the MMR vaccine, parents want to pay to have it done privately in separate doses. That's their decision, and I'm sure when I have my own, I'll make a decision that I think is right.

Saying that, although I never got chickenpox as a child ( there being no vaccine for it anyways ) I recently had shingles at 30 and can't say it was a nice experience!

Good debate though, and some interesting perspectives.

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Thanks for the kind words on being a good debate , there is a vaccine for the chicken pox now which is funny becasue if you get chicken pox the benefits are a lifetime immunity, and the immunity passed on through breast feeding works too, i actually had that experince it seems to me genetically we not only pass on the diseases but also the benefits as organisms...lol allergies and most learning diabilities ( which are newer diseases) its alluded too that they are a result of vaccinations.....
frogfish
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Frog wasn't it you that just put at article on a recent outbreak of mumps???

Diseases evolve...haven't I said that? One of the most damaging strains of Meningitis has been eradicated by vaccines thumbsup.gif



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lol vaccines aren't a cure, the last reported case of Polio was 1999 caused by the vaccine lol.....

lol vaccines are a cure, vaccines eradicated 99% of polio lol....

Ever hear of Jonas Salk?

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malaria????we have already discussed this if we get an outbreak of malaria we are in trouble frog there is no immunity for it

yet the vaccine saves millions of lives in my home country of India every year.

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hepatitis do you know how many people have hepatitis frog I think you misunderstand the nature of vaccines......

Funny that those people didn't get the vaccines...You say that I don't understand vaccines? My background says otherwise....

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Frog do you know what they use to treat cancer????? do you know what their experimental cures are?

Chemotherapy, etc...point?

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lol allergies and most learning diabilities ( which are newer diseases) its alluded too that they are a result of vaccinations.....

Like I said before, less than 5% of the population is allergic to vaccines and medicine. You would have a better chance of getting autism from being struck with a baseball on the head than a vaccine!

The risks are wayyyyy to small...
Tangerine Sheri
Diseases evolve...haven't I said that? One of the most damaging strains of Meningitis has been eradicated by vaccines

Mumps evolved with the same name how scientific of you did i not say that its never the vaccination they just rename 'the disease or it evolves' Its never the vaccination ...you are being groomed very well frog.......


meningitis has not been erradicated again we have been over this frog erradicated means gone never to be heard of or seen again...let me guess you'll say it evolved.....


malaria hasn't been cured........again for the hundredth time vaccines do not create cures.....at best they allow for a milder case of the disease thats the best case scenerio, but as i have said if our water suply is infected we are all getting diptheria.... More people have immunitys than don't frog.....We are now seeing the effects of vaccinations we have no long ternm studies and before you claim they do post a link , not another clinical study either frog.......
frogfish
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say that its never the vaccination

Because it never IS the vaccine!

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meningitis has not been erradicated again we have been over this frog erradicated means gone never to be heard of or seen again...let me guess you'll say it evolved

Read my post again:
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One of the most damaging strains of Meningitis has been eradicated by vaccines


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again for the hundredth time vaccines do not create cures.....

But they play a part in it...Like Polio, smallpox, malaria...The best cure is prevention thumbsup.gif

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not another clinical study either

Whats wrong with a clinical study Sherri? Oh yea, you want the biased Sherri opinion!
Tangerine Sheri
OMYGosh Frog are you finally cracking "But they play a part in it...Like Polio, smallpox, malaria...The best cure is prevention"

there have been no cures since polio if the truth be told, why would there be cures there is no money in cures lol.......

they find a way to allow people to live with things just enough to keep the money flowing....
Take cancer frog you can argue cancer is natural, no doubt there are some cancers that originate from some biological useful process at one time, and there are genes that may predispose some to cancers, but the majority of cancers aren't the natural course of human life...something is assualting the body damagining it from without altering its functions in a very unnatural manner.....Yttrium which is a primarly waste from nuclear weapons is being promoted as a 'cure' for cancer.
there are some companies that sell or produce toxic or cacinogenic chemicals as waste by products are able to spin or surpress news stories so good yet this chemical is sprayed on there corn every year, this chemical has been linked to breast cancer, leukemia, birth defects and reproductive tumours....
frogfish
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there have been no cures since polio if the truth be told, why would there be cures there is no money in cures lol.......

That is the most ridiculous idea ever...I am not talking with an educated person, but with a ignorant conspriacist. Why don't you make your way over to the Conspiracies section lol there are more of your kind lol

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they find a way to allow people to live with things just enough to keep the money flowing....

Lol, you are so misinformed...


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Take cancer frog you can argue cancer is natural, no doubt there are some cancers that originate from some biological useful process at one time, and there are genes that may predispose some to cancers, but the majority of cancers aren't the natural course of human life...

Actually, a close majority are of natural and natural exposure orgin.

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there are some companies that sell or produce toxic or cacinogenic chemicals as waste by products are able to spin or surpress news stories so good yet this chemical is sprayed on there corn every year, this chemical has been linked to breast cancer, leukemia, birth defects and reproductive tumours....

Never heard this propaganda before...1% of the population!
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(frogfish @ May 2 2006, 12:29 PM) [snapback]1171808[/snapback]

That is the most ridiculous idea ever...I am not talking with an educated person, but with a ignorant conspriacist. Why don't you make your way over to the Conspiracies section lol there are more of your kind lol
Lol, you are so misinformed...
Actually, a close majority are of natural and natural exposure orgin.
Never heard this propaganda before...1% of the population!

frog it is not impressive to argue using insults and accusations.it shows immaturity.....the greatest act of denial is to say what you said the ole conspiracy theory ..it is what it is you are doing the labeling.....many are asleep or don't care becasue in caring it may mean you may have to think and make desicions for yourself, it may mean you have to make better choices....As i have said education is only as valuable as how it is used...come up with a debate that doe3sn't involve insults as your arguement lol
frogfish
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come up with a debate that doe3sn't involve insults as your arguement lol

A comment like yours deserves of one though lol
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(frogfish @ May 2 2006, 12:53 PM) [snapback]1171856[/snapback]

A comment like yours deserves of one though lol

Gosh someone is sure hard on you, Dad maybe?????? i actually think your an alright kid there is no need for your anger not with me , this is just a debate its not that serious..... I'll gladly debate with you, but your arguements are insults and have no point...lets try and stay on topic.......

Interesting day at the gym frog in the day care center on a big ole poster was the latest in selling vaccines for whooping cough, I beleive that was on your list of wonder vaccine cures ha ha , on this the question was asked what are the side effects of this vaccine, the answer "none" yeah right lol and will this protect my child it asks the answer was vaccines aren't a cure if contracted you will get a milder case and the vaccination wears off they estimate in about 6 years based on there 'clinical trials" you know what a clinical trial is correct frog???Let me tell you its whats needed to get a drug through which is give the shots contact by phone a few weeks later, maybe a few days later apply the results and call it safe...lol volia a new vaccine.......

Whooping cough, or pertussis, is caused by infection with the Bordetella pertussis bacterium. Symptoms of whooping cough include having a cough lasting 14 or more days accompanied by a gasping sound or "whoop" while coughing. Children may also vomit or have difficulty breathing during a coughing spell.

In the last 20 years, the number of cases of whooping cough increased overall in the US according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Pertussis remains an endemic disease. Whooping Cough Increases Despite All the Vaccinations.


The number of pertussis cases has remained stable among children old enough to be vaccinated, but the increase in cases in children younger than 6 months indicates that "a true increase in pertussis circulation" has occurred.

From 1997 to 2000, over 7,000 pertussis cases among all age groups were reported each year in the US, compared with about 2,000 cases per year in the early 1980s.

Pertussis remains an endemic disease. Adolescents and adults likely play an important role in transmitting pertussis to very young infants.

Among the 29,000 persons with pertussis from 1997 to 2000 for whom ages were known, 29% were aged less than 1 year, 12% were aged 1 to 4 years, 10% were aged 5 to 9 years, 29% were aged 10 to 19 and 20% were 20 years or older.

Additional data collected by the National Health Interview Survey in 1998 suggest that 73% of children aged 7 to 18 months were vaccinated with three or more doses of acellular pertussis (DTaP), diphtheria and tetanus toxoids (DTP), or diphtheria tetanus toxoids (DT) vaccines.. This is despite the fact that less than one-third of the infections were in children under one year .
It doesn't take that long before many years of high sugar intake and the lack of vegetables to devastate the immune system.
frogfish
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wonder vaccine cures

No, because too little people take it...

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the answer "none" yeah right lol and will this protect my child it asks the answer was vaccines aren't a cure if contracted you will get a milder case

Actually, vaccines create a immunity that fights of the disease even before it can affect you...Of course, you have to get booster shots.

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In the last 20 years, the number of cases of whooping cough increased overall in the US according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Pertussis remains an endemic disease. Whooping Cough Increases Despite All the Vaccinations.

Because not enough people get it

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Let me tell you its whats needed to get a drug through which is give the shots contact by phone a few weeks later, maybe a few days later apply the results and call it safe

Its a tad more complicated than that thumbsup.gif They do somehting called experimentation...Do you know what it means?

I would stop making up false info on subjects you don't know about (*cough* Clinical Trials, diseases *cough*)
Tangerine Sheri
no.gif Frog are you serious more people get immunizations than don't its relatively a new practice not too...It is even told to a parent that they can't get there child into school without immunizations, believe me unless you know what to ask for which many parents don't you will immunize your kid to get them into school.....How long are the experimental studies frog lol not long term again for the hundreth time provide all these long term studiies you speak of.....Lo and behold everything I have said has showed up recently in some form you yoursef posted a article about the mumps, and i saw a poster yesterday on the whooping cough at the gyms day care center lol which is the DPT so called wonder cure vaccine....you have no arguement frog its observable that vaccines do not do what they say they do....also there is questions as to even if the immune system can have a response in a baby you also posted and article on that...... now you are using insults as your arguement , now "i'm making things up" real original frog Ha ha ha ha ha if all else fails call her a liar" dontgetit.gif
frogfish
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can't get there child into school without immunizations, believe me unless you know what to ask for which many parents don't you will immunize your kid to get them into school

the Persitussis vaccine is not needed...How many people get malaria and hepatitus vaccines? Not very many sad.gif

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How long are the experimental studies frog lol not long term

Prove it...They are longer than you think... My medical knowledge to your nonexistant medical knowledge...It think mine wins.

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s showed up recently in some form you yoursef posted a article about the mumps

Which evolved thumbsup.gif
Tangerine Sheri
the Persitussis vaccine is not needed...How many people get malaria and hepatitus vaccines? Not very many

Frog most get hepatitis vaccines they give one of them at birth... The pertussis vaccination is DPT diptheria, pertussis and tetnus...pertussis is also referred to as whooping cough.....Frog did you read the info i posted on Pertussis????? Its a few posts up......lol
robbieb
i agree with parts of both your arguments here frog fish is right by introducing a weaked and altered strain of a potentialy harmful disease into the body threw vaccination one could develope an immunity to it. although these are not always fool proof because say someone who had the chicken pox vaccine could still get it there chances are very slim. i agree that there are some things that peopel should naturaly develope a resistance to i.e. the flu. and frogfish is correct diseases to change they multiply at such a rapid time that mutations are bound to happen its science and threw mutations a disease can change its darwins theory realy natural selection and survival of the ifttest look at it this way we build up an immunity to a disease the disease starts to die until a mutated one finaly infects someone then spreads it happens with the flu all the time every year there new types of the flu i dont get flu shots because i just dont feel like it. one i dont tihnk i need them and two i tihnk that elderly who are less likely to survive a flu should get them. now aobut the baby thing what happens to a baby in its earlies of days alters its entire life. if u are in a house that is loud your hearing isl ess sencative but if you are in a quiet house then slight noises will wake you up but ur hearing ism ore keen. same goes with levels of light in the hosue and temperatures. also look at allergies kids who live on farms usualy have no alergies what so ever because as babys there introduced to all these things. no i also agree with frogfish that if it wasnt for vacinations then polio woudl still be an issue. i would also like to poin out that scienctist are actualy coming rather close to a vaccine against hiv. if they succed which i belive that one day they will it will be a major breakthrew. saying there is no money in cures is stupid imo because investors want a return on there money and by not offering an effective medicine then people wont take it and thus no sales and thus no profit. people need to realise that no one goes into the field of pharmacy and goes hmm i think im gonna trick millions of people into thinking this will cure them but in the end they will die of it anyway. i feel that such conspiricy theories are just dumb. im actauly alergic to cats there the only thing im alergic to. now say i take one alergy medcine and it doesnt work for me but i take another that does work this doenst mean that a company said hey lets make a fake allergy medcine it just means that everony is diffrent. its nieave to think that vaccines have done nouthing to benifit people because if someone who has never been vacinated against polio comes in contact with it there chances of getting it are by far morel ikely then somone who has been vacinated against it and it comes in contact with it
Tangerine Sheri
Robbie, There are no LONG term studies on vaccinations ...medicine does not HEAL. medicine may trigger responses and the operative word is MAY but the body does the healing it is in error to think the body doesn't do its own healing..Why does the pharmachueticals want you to beleive they are your saviors????..Chicken Pox thats funny, the effects of getting chicken pox are a life time immunity many of us have had alot of the things that are vaccinated against ....My children were not vaccinated against chicken pox there was a break out the kids that got it were immunized mine ddn't get it. i had a immunity to it and I breast fed so they have it too....Many parents don't breast feed formula doesn't come close to the superiority of breast milk i would ask you what effect do you beleive that has on the immune sytem...the truth is medicine is in its iignoratn stages of understanding the human body, granted we are learning more but the established system likes to think it knows all as is demonstrated by Frog, are you actually suggesting that medicine has said it all knows it all and the way they do things is the ONLY way????i laugh at that.....As a parent one must decide for themselves on the immunizations my position is I won't put high risk toxins in a babies body, Not all doctors beleive in vaccinations Robbie ...

Frog my grandfather had malaria and TB (no vaccination) he survied both.

I would bank on my immune system any day over the shoddy work of man.... i also eat for health , if you aren't gonna breast feed or your gonna feed your kids fast food and processed foods yes maybe you should vaccinate...Health is a lifestyle ..I do think medicine is good at managing disease and acute condiotions but a cure lol and just as you can see from the vegetarian thread many don't want to be bothered with caring for themselves..so frogs mentality does serve a purpose Disease is big buisness, to think for one minute that we aren't capitalistic and everything isn't dollar driven is naive.

The simple notion that sickness is some universal joke or mystery played on an unsuspecting mankind for good or bad is just silly...Health is the choice each of makes every moment of everyday of our lives, people are sick becasue of that it amazes me the people that can't figure out how they got something...If we cooked for ourselves long enough and paid ATTENTION to the changes we saw in our bodies and our minds eventually each of us would come to undersatnd how what we PUT in our MOUTHS turned into us......

There is a great saying NATURE doesn''t except excuses only man does..
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the Persitussis vaccine is not needed...How many people get malaria and hepatitus vaccines?


Not a lot at my place of work.

Hepatitis vaccines, well Hep B is given to most ( if not all ) health workers and Hep A is given to people travelling to certain areas.

Malaria is also the same, at our practice it's usually tablet form, ( I really don't know if they do it in an injection form, I have never heard of it myself, that's not to say it isn't done ) given on a private prescription and the patient has to pay for that. I think sometimes it can be a long course too.

I'm not 100% on that, as once I leave work, my brain tends to switch off slightly wink2.gif
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Frog did you read the info i posted on Pertussis?????

I think I know more about that than you thumbsup.gif

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Robbie, There are no LONG term studies on vaccinations

Yes there are long term studies...Just more propaganda. I am still waiting for links.

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does not HEAL

Common sense says it does.



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Not all doctors beleive in vaccinations

But most of them and the most respected ones do thumbsup.gif

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Frog my grandfather had malaria and TB (no vaccination) he survied both

Lucky man...with vaccines, he wouldn't of had them in the first place

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but a cure lol

They are original.gif


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medicine may trigger responses and the operative word is MAY but the body does the healing it is in error to think the body doesn't do its own healing

Wrong...most medicine actually do the fighting for the bacteria...They are called antibiotics.

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My children were not vaccinated against chicken pox there was a break out the kids that got it were immunized mine ddn't get it.

I know MANY people who were vaccinated and never got the disease.
Tangerine Sheri
Frog there is no vaccine for malaria there is one they think may be availble in 6 years.....


Check out BBC frog lol...Okkkkay frog you have wasted my time long enough ......
frogfish
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Frog there is no vaccine for malaria there is one they think may be availble in 6 years.....

They do have an ingestible pill that acts like a vaccine thumbsup.gif

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Check out BBC frog lol

I frequent there enough...

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Okkkkay frog you have wasted my time long enough ......

You still deny the truth?
robbieb
hmm Sheri berri i would be very scared if my kids never got the chicken pox because shingels are far worse thne chicken pox and are far more deadly. i do hope that ur child does have a immunity to it and that it wasnt htat he didint come into a full contact with it or a weak strand that didnt affect him
Tangerine Sheri
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hmm Sheri berri i would be very scared if my kids never got the chicken pox because shingels are far worse thne chicken pox and are far more deadly. i do hope that ur child does have a immunity to it and that it wasnt htat he didint come into a full contact with it or a weak strand that didnt affect him

Fortunately i don't buy into fear constructs, robbie i have an immunity to chicken pox and mumps and measels etc etc i nursed all my children...A breast feed child will get the immunity from the motehr..lol
frogfish
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A breast feed child will get the immunity from the motehr..lol

not always..lol
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(frogfish @ May 5 2006, 03:18 PM) [snapback]1176269[/snapback]

not always..lol

Now your an expert on breast feeding is that right frog lol......Frog if the mother is breast feeding and the child is exposed ( at that time) to anything she will make an antibody....anything the mother has an immunity too she will pass on to the child in the colostrum every mediacl care employee besgs the mother to at least breast feed the first few days of life.........Breast feeding protects the child while it immunity is building... a breast fed child will not be assualted by vaccines the mother understands the dangers of this practice lol.....I have been a mother for 22 years if there is one subject i'm an expert on its breast feeding,and the benefits of it.....Now i'm waiting for you to suggest its not he superior way to feed your child ha ha ha ha ha.........
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Now your an expert on breast feeding is that right frog lol

no medicine lol

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Now i'm waiting for you to suggest its not he superior way to feed your child ha ha ha ha ha.........

I'm not, it IS the best way to feed your child.

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Frog if the mother is breast feeding and the child is exposed ( at that time) to anything she will make an antibody....anything the mother has an immunity too she will pass on to the child in the colostrum every mediacl care employee besgs the mother to at least breast feed the first few days of life.........Breast feeding protects the child while it immunity is building... a breast fed child will not be assualted by vaccines the mother understands the dangers of this practice lol

Antibodies, Cytotoxic T Cells, and Memory B Cells die...That is why an immunity can wear away. The child does not ALWAYS get the immunity no.gif
Kahrie
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Kahrie yes i home school, this is the first year my son attended public school for two years and we are very active in groups so no that is not why he is healthy he is just healthy due to eating habits and a strong immune system, If you have been to a public school it has alot of sick kids but if you are a healthy organism to begin with your chances of getting ill are slim to nil...IMO it has alot to do with the foods you eat.....



not all ways no.gif i went to a public school i only got sick a couple of times and sometimes exsposure is better for immunity most people who are exsposed to an illness for the first time either get sick really bad or DIE interesting has your son had any illness at all?! not trying to scare you but no-one is 100% healthy w00t.gif and i wouldn't be surprised when he goes to college etc that he will get sick real quick.
robbieb
yea ok ummdo u know what parvo is? its a sickness that affects dogs right. its makes them lathargic and have bad foul smelling direaha and in fact wolves in yellow stone are showing sigsn of it. now dogs who get vacinated against it dont get it they gat an ummunity to it they can be around dogs that do have it and wont get it. now if asay a b**** is nursing her puppies those puppoes are very very illequiped to defend agasint parvo. infact parvo has a high mortality rate and usualy only affect young puppies. so now if a b**** is nursing her young thne accorindg to u they should recive the immunity to this disease threw the milk yet they dont. case in point breast feeding is wonderful but its not a magical preventative for all sicknesses. if it was dont u think people would be botteling that crap?
Tangerine Sheri
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not all ways no.gif i went to a public school i only got sick a couple of times and sometimes exsposure is better for immunity most people who are exsposed to an illness for the first time either get sick really bad or DIE interesting has your son had any illness at all?! not trying to scare you but no-one is 100% healthy w00t.gif and i wouldn't be surprised when he goes to college etc that he will get sick real quick.

basic minor sickness, I meant never anything serious, never anything requiring antibiotics..nor anything his own immunity couldn't handle..I 'm guessing your a younger person based on your fears, You are misinformned on illness and it seems very frightened of it...
The fear constructs people buy into.. no.gif .if a young person is getting sick alot their diet is bad a healthy immune system rarely gets sick....lol maybe your doctor can help you with understanding illness....


robbie earth to robbie we are talking kids here...stay with the class lol
frogfish
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a healthy immune system rarely gets sick....

What an ignorant statement...You think you have a healthy immune system, so why don't you go to Africa and see how long it takes you to get sick...
Mr. 420
^ rolleyes.gif I vacationed in Africa for two weeks and did not get sick the whole time.
Tangerine Sheri
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What an ignorant statement...You think you have a healthy immune system, so why don't you go to Africa and see how long it takes you to get sick...

you beleive whtever you want frog my husband went t africa and was not required to get immunizations and he is alive and well...... I think the idea is interesting yet observablly medicine is tamping with immune systems that were designed to work far better than they do ... many people travel and do not get vaccines unless its required by the country..It is clear you buy into the whole vaccine hype yet they aren't effective and actually more harmful...they don't study them long term...On any vaccine i would understnd them weigh the risks then decide....
frogfish
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many people travel and do not get vaccines unless its required by the country

And they get sick, die, or start pandemics.

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It is clear you buy into the whole vaccine hype yet they aren't effective and actually more harmfu

Can you give me links, because the whole scientific community disagrees with you yes.gif So that leaves one option, you are WRONG. Deal with it.

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they don't study them long term

Yes they do...you fail to provide links still...So if I were you, I would stop making up information. Conspiracists... rolleyes.gif

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you beleive whtever you want frog my husband went t africa and was not required to get immunizations and he is alive and well.

Sleepick Sickness can remain dormant for years yes.gif He better get vaccinations if he travels abroad or he can start a pandemic.
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