World Transits going into the year 2006 continue to reflect the transits of the last Jupiter-Saturn planetary conjunction in the tropical constellation Taurus in May 2000. Since that time, global events have heightened the unresolved world issues of the 2oth century, and have been allowed to continue into the early 21st century.

Classical astrologers such as Michel Nostradamus wrote on these historic Jupter-Saturn conjunctions and oppositions that occur every 20 years and correlate to world events relating to mundane issues affecting large populations, such as health, economy, environment, society, education, religions, peace, and war. His book, "The Centuries" uses astrological dating methods to determine forecasting eras for the earth.

Astrologers use planetary positions as "dating and forecasting tools" and consider the outer planets of Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn, among others, to be excellent planets to track for forecasting potential future events, and trends.

Presently, we are into the sixth year of the most recent Jupiter-Saturn conjunction of May 2000. Jupiter and Saturn perform a number of square (90-degrees) to one another in 2006 from tropical Leo to tropical Scorpio. These are fixed signs, and reflect challenging emergies between both planets.

Next year, in mid-2007, Jupiter and Saturn will conduct trine aspects to one another relative to the Earth. The trine aspect is usually the easiest, depending on element. For instance, the next Jupiter-Saturn trine will take place in fire elements, with Jupiter transiting tropical Sagittarius, and Saturn, tropical Leo, where it is now. All signs point to a housing bubble bursting. House prices will fall considerably, and those locked into no-interest housing loans may have trouble later meeting their payments if changes are not effected between 2006 - 2008.

A fast year, 2007, with the ability to spend money foolishly, considering the position of Jupiter in Saggitarius, and in trine aspect to Saturn in Leo. The most important thing to remember about 2007 when making money - is to save it. As much as possible, while reducing the urge from others to constantly spend.

Those who do this well, will then be able to use the years 2008, 2009, and 2010 to further strengthen their positions. The goal is to produce enough savings to last as many years of the 2010s as is possible. Saving loose change is essential toward meeting these goals.

Oppositions between Jupiter and Saturn have reflect badly on world economies. Past oppositions took place during depressions and recessions. The strength, weakness, and lengths of these economic downturns usually reflect their positions, and combinations with other planetary bodies.

Jupiter and Saturn will have their first opposition since 1991 in the year 2010-2011, - mostly in the signs Pisces/Aries and Virgo/Libra. This indicates that the coming decade of the 2010s could indeed show a strong decline in econmic output, and a high debt ceiling that could produce a strong recessionary climate in countries, and depressions in others.

What is most notable about this particular Jupiter-Saturn opposition are the positions they take to transiting Uranus, now in tropical Pisces. Uranus spends about seven years in one zodiacal sign, and in Pisces, will end its 84-year transit around the Sun in the year 2011, when Uranus enters tropical Aries in April 2011, and heads North in declination.

Before this, Uranus, and Saturn will oppose one another in Virgo/Pisces, while Jupiter will transit through Capricorn (2008) Aquarius (2009) and into Pisces (2010) to conjoin Uranus in Pisces, and strengthen the opposition to Saturn, which turns South in declination in September 2010, and enters tropical Libra (Sept. 2010 to Oct. 2012) then Scorpio (Oct. 2012-Sept. 2015) then Sagittarius (Sept. 2015 - Dec. 2017).

Transits of Saturn to the tropical constellation Sagittarius of the past have shown recessionary climates. During the October 1987 & October 1929 stock exchange crashes, Saturn was transiting Sagittarius. With Saturn in Sagittarius you may get the trigger event, such as a stock market crash, that begins an economic depression. Saturn's transit through Libra, Scorpio, and then Sagittarius from 2010 to 2018 indicates recessions, and in some global regions, severe economic depressions.

Other cases of economic problems when Saturn was in Sagittarius ~

- Saturn was in Sagittarius in 1782, when an economic decline began that resulted in economic depression in the U.S. from 1783 to 1787.

- Saturn was in Sagittarius from 1838-1841, a severe economic depression, lasting seven years, began with the panic of 1837, caused by a series of bank failures.

- Saturn was in Sagittarius on Sept. 24, 1869, when a Gold Market panic, called "Black Friday", began an economic decline that resulted in a severe recession for the U.S. 1873-1879.

- The Panic of 1893 resulted in a severe recession until 1897, when Saturn entered Sagittarius, in this case at the end of the recession.

Generally, the U.S. economic pattern of recessions or depressions every 30 or 60 years is related to the 29.4 period of revolution around the Sun of the planet Saturn.

In the year 2010, Jupiter & Saturn will oppose one another twice in Pisces/Virgo, and once in Aries/Libra in 2011. What is interesting during the years 2010, and 2011, are the many planets making a number of transits that reflects major shifting throughout the world, as planets like Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus, either retrograde, change signs several times, and aspect one another as if gearing up for their new respective cycles into the 2010s.

These transits reflect many things, but most notable is the world economy. It is wise to make earnings count from 2006 to 2011, and to put at least 2/3rds savings away for future use. Those who use the next five or so years well, will do better during the darkest years of the 2010s, and emerge in better shape into the 2020s. Energy, weather, and health are connected. Future transits indicate the 2010s are difficult, but those who are able to use the coming years prior will be better positioned because of foresight.

I advise my clients astrologically, those wanting a longer-range view, to prepare ahead looking years into the future. I strongly encourage reducing excessive, and wasteful spending, saving, and putting things away for the decade ahead - the 2010s. Mundane astrological transits confirm a tough decade ahead, and those who plan accordingly will be better off for themselves, their families, neighbors, and communities to outlast the coming transits of the 2010s.

As large populations age, and occupations go unfilled due to a shortage of trained, skilled people, large countries like India, and China will grow rapidly, with the help of western corporations, and manufacturers. However, the demands on the world markets and the fast-changing population demographics will stress the markets.

Saturn, currently in Leo, indicates wasteful spending of monies, gambling, etc., and Saturn's transit into tropical Virgo (Set. 2007 to July 2010) is a warning concerning the economy, energy, education, and the weather as connected to food production and health.

The years 2006 to 2011 will see expansive, and rapid economic growth for some nations, including those in the U.S., and Asia. In the U.S., after the recession of 2001-2005, and economic growth from 2006 through to 2010-2011, people should use this time to prepare for the decade of the 2010s, which, in my view, indicates a long, economic downturn that will take at least seven-to-eight years to straighten out of fully, and ends about the year 2018.

The years 2010 to 2018 - have powerful transits which are different in combination, but indicate power plays, radicalism, depressionary climates, and battles between old and young, rich and poor, and between competing religious groups. The transits always provide a climate of which people can choose to do good, or evil, and free will works - under the laws of the universe.

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Ironic that you would create a post about astrological predictions on the same day that the top news story on the site is "scientists debunk astrology."

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=67864

-Pilgrim

You know that some people have capitalised on the movement of the planets for millennia and I have studied, okay more like I have observed trends over the years and have come up with the following prediction.

Markets are set up to be monopolised, boom and bust.

95% of the global population have 5% of the worlds wealth.

5% of the global population have 95% of the wealth.

The economic structure of a nation is built upon market investment.

We compete for the wealth. The wealthiest invest and capitalise on the growth they promote.

To quickly shift the monies they collapse the markets they promoted thus freeing up the investment opportunities, they move the monies to other compliant markets waiting for investments to promote growth.

My prediction is for the uk.

September begins a shift in these monies. The stock market will collapse and the country will enter into a recession.

How? The country is like all others built upon weak foundations that can very easily be shaken to the extent that it cannot withstand the high fuel bills that an oil industry can force. Transport will be halted through higher prices at the pumps. This will then start the domino effect and this house of cards will begin to tumble.

The markets reliant upon trade and the transporting of that trade will be compromised and a nation will then fall into a black hole that we will be accused of making through our own ignorance and the nations debt will be its noose. Consumer debt is what they will then blame for this current situation and those who promoted growth through their investments will then expect to be repaid.

All the markets that promoted growth will tighten their grip. Credit will be the prime focus of the consumer argument and the credit industry will be hard pushed and the average guy on the street will feel it. Jobs within the service industries will be hard hit.

The biggest upset will be the housing market and in that the consumer will be reduced to a burden on society or that’s how it will be portrayed. Massive debt and huge loss in personal equity will become the prime concern of the average guy on the street and it will be these individuals who will have to carry the can.

I know, its just my opinion but hey, history will repeat itself because it has been proven to work for those who are the true capitalist’s, a false sense of security is all they promote and you feel compelled to fall in line. Civil servents are the true middle class if you feel that you have elevated your status through working in a service capacity then be careful as your elevated status may just be about to return you to a more realistic position. They always do it the expense of at least one industry and I fear this time it is the service industry that shall be exploited this time round.

Sorry but that’s my forecast and I didn’t even get my telescope out…….

Crumbs...... UK set for a huge growth?

Petrol at £1+ per litre.

London the 3rd most expensive city to live in the World.

How about China, Brazil and Korea?

Wow, didn’t think you would be so crass but hey, sorry but uk is about to hit rock bottom and then some so hold onto your knickers its about to enter into a depression, invest in Prozac its about to become a best seller…….. :tu

Huh.... I think it could be.

I don't think so. That is "pop-culture astrology" these "scientists" are talking about, and not classical, true astrology. There is a difference.

True, though that does not reduce the irony.

The case for astrology is not very good in my opinion. Astrology has a good track record of matching predictions to events after the fact, but this is largely because the predictions are so vauge that they can be shoehorned to fit almost any data. When it comes to actually predicting future events, the track record is less than stellar. Many famous astrologers predicted a Kerry win in the 2004 election, and most agreed that the election would be far closer than the 2000 election. He did not, and it was not. Furthermore, numerous empirical tests (the Time Twin trial, etc) have shown astrological predictions to be no better than chance.

If anyone can prove astrology works, by the way, I advise you to cash in on James Randi's generous offer of $1,000,000 (US) to anyone who can prove the existance of paranormal abilities under controled laboratory conditions. Or, if one would prefer, one B. Premanand of Indian Skeptic offers a 100,000 Rs prize. Mr. Prabir Ghosh will offer twice that amount. Australian Skeptics offers $80,000 (Australian), plus an additional $20,000 (Australian) for anyone nominating a person who manages to pass the challenge - nominate yourself and collect the full amount of both prizes. The British Association for Skeptical Inquiry offers £12,000. Indeed, if one could in fact prove such abilities, one could make a considerable fortune simply by passing skeptical challenges.

Even if one is not motivated by money, one can only imagine the many charities which could benefit from such funds.

-Pilgrim

Ouch.
Mentioning Randi is a sure thread killer. See you in another topic Pilgrim.

With all due respect, I have yet to see any. Nostradamas's predictions were and are, to say the least, extremely vauge. Other astrological predictions have been hit and miss. Some have, indeed, been true, but no more than what would be expected by random chance, and many of these are non-specific.



Astrology does not need to be correct 100% of the time to be useful, but it does need to beat the odds - that is, it must be more reliable than an educated guess. The problem here is not that one astrologer predicted a Kerry win, but that by and large the astrological community did - and those who didn't, largely predicted that it would be a closer race than in 2004. This is not the only case in which a major prediction by astrologers has come up false, it is simply a convinient example.

The futures market, by the way, accurately predicted a Bush win, and has consistently predicted the winner of almost every presidental election since its inception. It did this with nothing more than educated guessing on the part of brokers.



Surely this can't be true. As I said, one need not be interested in personal gain. I should think that meerly proving that astrology is accurate should be enough of a cause.

The days of the week are not all named after planets. Friday is "Frea's day," named after the Norse Goddess of beauty - it became confused with Venus (the equivalent Roman goddess) in Romantic languages, but its origins are not associated with any planet. However, even if the days were named after planets, I don't see how that could possibly mean anything. Humans named the days of the week, and humans named the planets. If they should choose to name one after the other, it does not prove the case of astrology.

And I rather resent the charge of being a blind skeptic. I have, in fact, weighed the evidence on both sides of the argument, and I find the argument for astrology strongly lacking. What I believe is rational, based on facts and evidence, not irrational adherence to what others say.

-Pilgrim

I would point out that the vast majority of his "hits" were attributed retroactively - after the events occured, he was said to have predicted them. If his predictions cannot be deciphered beforehand, then even if they are accurate, they are useless.



The odds I refer to are the odds of random chance, ie guessing. If astrology is not better than an educated guess, then it is useless, even if the phenomina exists. Astrology has not yet been shown to predict events better than an educated guess.



Very well. Astrologers are not required to provide proof of their claims. However, if they do not, then they forfeit the right to complain if others choose not to believe.



Actually, all the days of the week (save Saturday) in English derive their names from Germanic deities, none of which are associated with planets. They are rough analogs to Roman deities with a similar sphere of influence, but it is a poor match - Thor shares little in common with Jupiter besides being a god of storms, while Woden likewise shares little in common with Mercury. Clearly, they are named after gods, not planets. The fact that Roman deities were associated with planets is entirely coincidental.



I find your accusations of ignorance tiresome. Since you have established no interest in presenting an argument based on facts or evidence, I see no reason why I should continue to subject myself to it. Good day.

EDIT: Upon reflection, I realize that I may have misinterpreted the tone of your previous post, and reacted in a fit of pique. This is both undignified and uncalled for, and I appologize. However, it seems clear to me that further debate is indeed pointless, as neither side is likely to convince the other and no one else appears interested. Therefore, I see no reason for it to proceed.

Respectfuly,

-Pilgrim

YAY THE YEAR 2018 NOT 2012 WAS THE LATEST DATE

I simply must refute this, as it is too silly.

Sunday = Sunna's Day. Sunna is the Germanic goddess of the sun.

Monday = Mani's Day. Mani is the Germanic god of the moon.

Tuesday = Tyr's Day. Tyr is the Germanic god of war and is not associated with a planet. He is considered a (very) rough analog of the Roman god Mars.

Wednesday = Woden's Day. Woden is the chief of the Germanic pantheon, and is again not associated with any planet. He is a VERY loose analog of Mercury.

Thursday = Thor's Day. Thor, of course, is the Germanic god of storms. He is, again, not associated with any planet but could be considered a very loose analog of Jupiter.

Friday = Frige's Day. Frige is the Germanic goddess of beauty. She is also not associated with a planet but is analogous to the Roman god Venus.

Saturday = Saturn's Day. It is the only day which retains its Roman ancestry in the English language. However, it is clear from the other days of the week that the day was named after the deity, not the planet.

All of this is common knowledge and the source material is widely availible. I advise you to look it up for yourself if you doubt me.



I have been more than fair in hearing you out thus far, and still - even after I have appologized - you continue to insult my intelligence. How juvenile.

I trust you will understand if I find your so-called expertise less than impressive. Perhaps when you have learned something of science and the natural world, you will be ready to hold a mature conversation. Until then, I shall endeavor to ignore your childishness.

-Pilgrim

Sunday First day of the week. Derived from the Latin dies solis, "sun's day," a pagan Roman holiday.

Monday Second day of the week. Derived from the Anglo-Saxon monandaeg, which means "the moon's day." Latin: dies lunae, "day of the moon."

Tuesday Third day of the week. Named for the Norse god of war, Tiu, or Tyr, the son of Odin.

Wednesday Fourth day of the week. Named to honor Odin, or Woden, chief god in Norse mythology. Onsdag in Sweden and Denmark.

Thursday Fifth day of the week. Named for Thor, Norse god of thunder. Torsdag in Sweden and Denmark.

Friday Sixth day of the week. Named for the Norse goddess of love, Frigg, or Frija. Variation of the Old High German frìatag, "day of Frija."

Saturday Seventh day of the week. Named in honor of the Roman god Saturn. Latin: Saturni. Sater-daeg by the Anglo-Saxons.

Origins of Weekday Names

Please. Try to maintain a sense of intelliegence, ok. Here, try this if you still cannot discover that the days (and even the hours) of the week are named after the planets, Moon, and Sun. Perhaps when you have learned something of the natural world, and history, you will then not see your own "intelligence" insulted. http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/time/weekdays.html

Excuse me, but you have it backwards. You seem to think that the days of the week were named after gods, but, in fact, they were named after the planets, representing gods in Norse, or Anglo-Saxon myth - and not all world cultures, which named the days of the week after the planets. You do know that Anglo-Saxon culture is not the only culture on the planet Earth? Try to learn the difference and know that ancient cultures could also see the planets too. For a list - see http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/time/weekdays.html

Sir, since this entire debate began, I have consistently treated you as an equal. You have consistently treated me as an inferior. I have refrained from insulting you in any way, shape, or form. You have insulted me at every turn.

I have even appologized and offered to leave this discussion with dignity. You have refused.

You have offered no proof for any of your claims.

Quite frankly, sir, you are not worth my time.

-Pilgrim

Excuse me? Proof? How are you able to debate on this topic without knowledge? Moreover, I never "refused" anything. I suggest you spend your "time" actually studying astrology before debating an expert astrologer. Questions are always welcome, but if you are to debate using weak, and quite frankly, un-informed arguments, then, you will not get far. The "proof" you seek is within your own reach, if only you would seek it using free will, and do so honestly.

Here is a library list that should get you started, for it is one of my "proofs" on the subject of Astrology, and astrology's invention of Mathematics, and Science -

http://facstaff.uindy.edu/~oaks/Biblio/IslamicMathBiblio.htm

Perhaps, this library will get you started, and be "worth your time."

Theodore,
What exactly is a "Classical Astrologer?' Forgive my ignorance, but I'm interested.

A classical astrologer is a judicial astrologer, a master, or expert in the science. Master astrologers must be able to perform most of the calculations, readings, and interpretation of astrological transits. In effect, they are masters of time, and are able to read cycles and patterns in time and space from experience and knowledge.

The years 2006 to 2010 are excellent years to prepare ahead of time for the hard transits of the first 7-8 years of the decade of the 2010s.

If they did debunk it (and I highly doubt it) ~ which must be like the 5,000th time I've read this ~ I haven't heard about it. The only thing that is an "unexplained mystery" is why they would even bother, since to do that scientists would have to debunk science itself.

You must mean POP-CULTURE ASTROLOGY, which, my friend, isn't a science, nor a pseudo-science. It isn't anything at all and the text of the above new story contains this ~

"Psychology at Denmark's University of Aarhus, added, "This does not necessarily mean that all astrology is without truth, but only that the independent effect of sun signs is most likely to be irrelevant. As for the weekly horoscope based on mere sun signs, then according to the current scientific standing, there is probably more truth in the comic strips." Hartmann and his colleagues used computer analysis and statistical methods to study possible astrological connections between over 15,000 individuals. They derived these test subjects from two sources."

Defining Astrology with "sun-sign" pop-culture "astrology" is not the same thing. If they based their "study" on weekly horoscopes, then they were wasting their time; however, Pilgrim, you seem to have failed to note what Denmark's University of Aarhus stated regarding Astrology, as they tested the pop-culture media "astrology" and not true astrology itself. I agree with the statement on mere sun-sign astrology, but, I think you failed to make out the difference between the true science of astrology, and the media, or pop-culture type. They are NOT the same. Never were either.